Secular Music

[mikedevilsfan]

I am interested in the opinions on secular music from the group here. IMO secular music is extremely dangerous. I come to this conclusion partly from my testimony (it was metal that made me backslide as a kid) and partly from being in ministry and talking to literally hundreds of kids who were addicted and blinded by it. I think music is a spiritual thing and when someone who isn’t saved creates it they are open for influence.

Do I think all secular music is evil, no. I don’t consider music that has no lyrics harmful, and there are occasional songs that come out that could be examined in the light of scripture to not be misleading (although I can’t think of one at the moment), but who wants to spend all their time using a fine tooth comb on music. I like to listen to music and not have to think about whether someone is saying something offensive to Christ.

I think music is a gift. ( as a musician myself) I consider it a privilege not a right and if you can’t find what your looking for in the spectrum of Twila Paris to Horde then you are not looking or do not want to look.

I also scrutinize Christian bands that I listen to as well. Most recently I began boycotting POD because of their confusing imagery and watered down rasta influenced “jah” religion that is confusing to young people who hope that being positive is enough to get by. I was flipping through the channels one night a while back and heard POD during a documentary and thought yea, this must be about Christian music and got exicted. It turned out the show (VH1) was about swingers and POD lent their music via the corporate demon to this. I mentioned this on their message board and had hundreds of people defending them saying they had no control. POD fans will forgive pretty much anything they do, regardless of how unbiblical it is. This is because they are addicted to the music.

Also as a side note, I grew up in the days of thrash metal and this was a major influence on me. The first concert I saw in 86’ at 14 was Slayer. All my friends were immersed in this. I saw my best friend die in 88’ right in front of me at a King Diamond concert amidst people with painted faces saying “screw him he’s dead, lets get on with the show.” Fortunately just a couple of weeks before his death he had a visitation from the Lord and I think he accepted him. I have three other friends, however, who were also immersed in that kind of music Danny 16, Chris 30, and Tony 27 all dead an in hell right now.
Secular music is nothing to play with believe me.
Michael

[Howlin' Wolf]

LETS GO BURN ALL OUR SECULAR MUSIC CD'S!!!!!

WOO HOOO!!!!!!

dont teach me about moderation,just give me a shot of grape juice

Originally Posted by mikedevilsfan

I was flipping through the channels one night a while back and heard POD during a documentary and thought yea, this must be about Christian music and got exicted. It turned out the show (VH1) was about swingers and POD lent their music via the corporate demon to this. I mentioned this on their message board and had hundreds of people defending them saying they had no control. POD fans will forgive pretty much anything they do, regardless of how unbiblical it is. This is because they are addicted to the music.
Michael

Can you elaborate more on this? Are you saying VH1 had a show about swingers and they played POD's music in the background?
Bill

[Drummer Dude Go]

You are absolutely correct!! I am sort of a Christian rapper in my school and community, and I write alll my own songs. I try to write songs about my Savior Jesus Christ, and how only He can save us from eternal death in Hell. I try to not write songs about what the world likes to hear, like secular rappers often do. All the secular rappers, and rockers, that I have heard (I dont really listen to any secular music, exept country, but I am around friends who play secular music, mostly rap and rock.) always talk about nothing except thier image and how they are so cool, drugs, money, cars, and sex. In all of thier songs about "Love," they try to convince young people that sex outside of marriage is what true love is all about, yet they say nothing of the severe consequences of AIDS, pregnancy, or the emotional pain that comes with having sex before your married (The emotional part is olnly what I've heard, I dont know from experience, or anyithing.) I personally plan to stay a virgin untill I am married. However, as a teenage guy trying to live a Godly life in an un-Godly world, I must admit that I often struggle with lustfull thoughts myself, and I can see why sex before marriage is so tempting for many people. Anyway, back to the main subject, I think that secular music, for the most part, is demoralizing and dangerous to society. So many people listen to it, and the secular artists have a great influence in the lives of thier audiences. Why do we see so many young people doing drugs? Because secular music says drugs are OK, and that they wont harm you, and that they will make you rich and happy. Often you hear of secular artists getting arrested or going to jail, because they were caught dealing drugs, or assaulting people because they were high or drunk. People follow thier examples of drinking beer and getting high, and they too will either go to jail (if theyre lucky) or die from a drug overdose. Most secular music may appear innocent, but it is mostly straight from the minds of Satan and his deamons, who enter the minds of theese secular artists, and tell them to write lies in thier song lyrics, so Satan can use thier songs as a means of destroying people's lives. Am I saying that listening to all secular music is wrong? NO! I am saying that the MAJORITY of it is very dangerous, and should not be listened to, because it can mess with your mind, and cause you to do things that you may regret later. It may even cause you to think youre worthless, and killl yourself, as I have heard reports of that happening to many people who listen to secular music, they consider themselves worthless.
But if they just listen to Christian music, they would see that God loves them, and He has a plan for thier lives that doesnt involve drugs, fights, going to prison, or getting shot at. Anyway, If you would like to view my songs, please go to the website address below. Please enjoy looking at my lyrics, but keep in mind that I have written all theese songs myself, so please dont use my lyrics without E-mailing me and getting my permission. If you want to use them in your church, just copy and paste all the lyrics you want! Thanks!
GO 24/48!! WAR EAGLE!! God Bless You All!!

[Howlin' Wolf]

always talk about nothing except thier image and how they are so cool, drugs, money, cars, and sex. In all of thier songs about "Love," they try to convince young people that sex outside of marriage is what true love is all about

the white stripes sing about none of this stuff
as a matter of fact, Jack White is a devout roman catholic. so he and his music must be possessed

[mikedevilsfan]

Originally Posted by Tulip 5points

LETS GO BURN ALL OUR SECULAR MUSIC CD'S!!!!!

WOO HOOO!!!!!!

dont teach me about moderation,just give me a shot of grape juice

Moderation for evil, interesting concept. Just a little porn never hurt no one.
And it's funny you should mention trashing secular CD's because shortly after I rededicated my life in 1993 I wasted all my secualr music and that night I recieved the Baptism of the Holy Spirit Acts style.
Michael
So yeah get rid of it all and make a serious commitment to Christ.

[mikedevilsfan]

Originally Posted by bdfwinn

Can you elaborate more on this? Are you saying VH1 had a show about swingers and they played POD's music in the background?
Bill

Yeah, there was a show about couples who swing on VH1, I don't remember what it was called. All I saw when I flipped on the channel were two people walking (a couple) and I heard Boom I think it was and was like whoa this must be about faith or something. It was soon reveald that the couple were swingers and sure enough the show was about that "lifestyle."
Michael

[mikedevilsfan]

Originally Posted by Tulip 5points

the white stripes sing about none of this stuff
as a matter of fact, Jack White is a devout roman catholic. so he and his music must be possessed

Well I am not going to speculate about whether or not 'Jack' is saved or not. But it is curious that you would slam the idea of being saved by works when it comes to your intelectual descussions, but when it comes to your music you tip your hat at it. This should tell you something.
Michael

[mikedevilsfan]

Originally Posted by MalletKAT_Gomer

Personally, I'm not sure how to define "secular" music. In the pop culture sense, I assume you mean anyone who's not on a Christian label.

I don't see any harm in "neutral" music. So long as somone actually has something to sing about, not "sex, drugs 'n rock and roll," I don't have a problem with it. When it comes to metal and all that stuff though, I get downright scared.

Check out both versions of Hells Bells on the reality of "neutral" music by Reel to Reel ministries. (always demons hanging around when we show that film.
I would define secular music as anything that is worldly or doesn't glorify God in some way (realizing this is a bit of a liberal definition). Ever get a song stuck in your head?
Michael

Originally Posted by mikedevilsfan

Yeah, there was a show about couples who swing on VH1, I don't remember what it was called. All I saw when I flipped on the channel were two people walking (a couple) and I heard Boom I think it was and was like whoa this must be about faith or something. It was soon reveald that the couple were swingers and sure enough the show was about that "lifestyle."
Michael

I have followed POD since Snuff the Punk. I have seen them on Howard Stern. I know they were on WARP tour. At Oz Fest they played behind Marylyn Manson. After Mary Man got up and said God hates you, POD got up and sang about His love all mankind....AWESOME!

They play in bars and venues where most Christians will not go and I salute them for it. If in the process some of their music gets sold for unclean purposes then I guess it can't be helped. But what if POD knew. What if POD said, "Hey maybe someone watching that show hears our song and buys the CD and is blessed by the positive Godly message."

When you preface an argument by saying POD fans will defend them no matter what you don't leave much room for an honest discussion.

I've seen too much about POD to doubt that their motives are pure and they are more like Jesus than a lot of Christian bands because they are truly a friend of sinners.

On the topic of secular music. I do not listen to bands. I listen to songs. I went to a private Christian University and my Music Ap. teacher said secular music was bad. Even just the innocuous love songs because of all the immorality and evil the bands were into. Yet at the same time we were assigned to go to the Tyler Symphony and hear Mozart. He was a coke head and died of syphilis. He cheated on His wife and mocked God. But his music was ok. I raised my hand and asked about Mozart's "testimony" and the prof. was clueless on how to answer without contradicting himself.

I believe in value neutral music. If it ain't bad... it's okay by me.

Bill

By the way we must be close to the the same age because I'm sure I saw Slayer too at the Monsters of Rock tour in the summer of 88 in Atlanta, Georgia. (I was 18)
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[Howlin' Wolf]

one would first have to think music was evil for it to be a moderation of evil. to equate secular music to porn is alli need to know about you. i pity you. it must suck to think that christ, who died for you and chose you unconditionally, would then dismiss you from grace because ofyour sinfulness. because in reality, all sin is disgusting to God. and you will never stop sinning.

all secular music isnt 2 live crew. quit being a fool

[Drummer Dude Go]

Originally Posted by Tulip 5points

the white stripes sing about none of this stuff
as a matter of fact, Jack White is a devout roman catholic. so he and his music must be possessed

Originally Posted by Drummer Dude Go

Am I saying that listening to ALL secular music is wrong? NO! I am saying that the MAJORITY of it is very dangerous, and should not be listened to, because it can mess with your mind, and cause you to do things that you may regret later.

No offense Tulip 5points, but you may want to carefully read ALL of what someone has to say before you state your opinion! I was NOT saying that ALL secular music was evil and should not be listened to, I myself listen to Country music, and that is secular. I was only saying that MOST of the Non-Christian music that's out there is not good to listen to, as it does not adhere to the Bible or Christian beliefs and values. Am I saying that you should go burn all your non-Christian cds and only listen to Christian music? NO! I am just saying that you should think about the lyrics and what theyre really trying to say to you, then decide whether, as a Bible-believing Christian, you should fill your mind with thoose lyrics. The Bible says to fill your "Temple," that would mean your mind, with things that are pleasing to God, and this does include music. Am I saying we should only listen to worship music? NO! I am just saying we should look at the lyrics of all our music and see if they are Godly or not!! Thanks for allowing me to share my personal opinion, and I hope you better understand my position on this issue of secular music! GO 24/48!! WAR EAGLE!! God Bless You All!!

[coldcupofjoe]

Becuase it's so totally the rating that makes a movie good or bad right?

[Drummer Dude Go]

Originally Posted by coldcupofjoe

Becuase it's so totally the rating that makes a movie good or bad right?

Its whats in the movie that makes it right or wrong to watch it, not what its rated!

[Mugirl04]

my rule about music is if they sound like they are going to kill some one, turn it off