NH Democratic Debate - Bible Passage Question

[Jesuslove]

Did anyone watch last night's Democratic debate in New Hampshire. The candidates were asked what their favorite Bible passage was. Here's a link to the NYT article about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.c om/2007/09/27/the-democrats-quote-scripture/

[cheewiee]

Did anyone watch last night's Democratic debate in New Hampshire. The candidates were asked what their favorite Bible passage was. Here's a link to the NYT article about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.c om/2007/09/27/the-democrats-quote-scripture/

I wonder, if people's "favorite bible passage" gives you insight into their faith.

What I mean by that, is that if you asked me what my fav. passage was, I would give you Romans 8 (if I couldn't just name the whole book of Romans). I pick that passage, because it uses vivid imagry to explain what Christ has made me through His death and ressurection.

To me, it is the whole Gospel of Salvation summed up in a few paragraphs....

There is a book by Mark Driscoll called Confessions of a Reformission Rev.
, and in it he says that three things are essential in churches... I believe, and someone correct me if I am wrong, those three things are Community, Gospel and Culture.

You can take these three things in differing combinations and you come up with the different types of churches we see today...

Community + Gospel - Culture = Fundamentalists Churches
Gospel + Culture - Community = Parachurches

What he says here, certainly rings true, and it really resonates with what each of those democratic candidates said as to what their fav. verse...

Community + Culture - Gospel = Liberal Churches...

While the church is really called to be all three...

[Evanescence]

In my Book- 100 Pastor Profiles, I asked:

Which Bible verse do you feel is the most important, and why?

Many gave me thier FAV, but I asked for their idea on the most important. The answers are fascinating...

[sandyandporter]

Not ONE of them quoted the scripture . Interesting.

[Jesuslove]

Not ONE of them quoted the scripture . Interesting.

I thought they all answered well. Maybe you should check it out on youtube to get the full text of what was said.

[Valpo]

a couple didn't even quote the bible. Notice not one of them said a verse that has to do with Christ's divinity or sacrifice on the cross. How very PC of them.

Cheewie:

I'd say Romans myself, currently doing a bible study on Romans, and what an outstanding book that is, alive in Christ, baby!

[Jesuslove]

a couple didn't even quote the bible. Notice not one of them said a verse that has to do with Christ's divinity or sacrifice on the cross. How very PC of them.

Cheewie:

I'd say Romans myself, currently doing a bible study on Romans, and what an outstanding book that is, alive in Christ, baby!

I'd love to see how the Republicans would answer the same question. It's a bit unfair in a way, as the Dems got the question first.

I would have to agree with some of the Democrats. They could have talked about Christ's divinity, but instead they focused on Christ's message to us.

[Valpo]

I'd love to see how the Republicans would answer the same question. It's a bit unfair in a way, as the Dems got the question first.

I would have to agree with some of the Democrats. They could have talked about Christ's divinity, but instead they focused on Christ's message to us.

Christ's message means absolutely nothing if He isn't divine. And I know at least Huckabee would answer with something about Christ's divinity, but he's also an ordained minister. But I could see the Republicans on the whole PC'ing it too. But I'd expect at least one, maybe two to cite something about His divinity.

[cheewiee]

I'd love to see how the Republicans would answer the same question. It's a bit unfair in a way, as the Dems got the question first.

I would have to agree with some of the Democrats. They could have talked about Christ's divinity, but instead they focused on Christ's message to us.

Actually, the Synoptic Gospels were more about what Christ did, not necessarly what He said. If you really want to focus on what Jesus said, the Gospel of John is the place to start.

[sandyandporter]

I just would have like to have ONE of them say "book, chapter, verse". Almost any American can throw out something they've heard that "comes from" the bible. Doesn't mean they've ever cracked it open and read it!

If someone asked you, "what's your favorite scripture?"... could you at least NAME one "book, chapter, verse"? That's all I'm saying.... none of them did that.

[Jesuslove]

I just would have like to have ONE of them say "book, chapter, verse". Almost any American can throw out something they've heard that "comes from" the bible. Doesn't mean they've ever cracked it open and read it!

If someone asked you, "what's your favorite scripture?"... could you at least NAME one "book, chapter, verse"? That's all I'm saying.... none of them did that.

did you see the Debate? I believe one or two of them did give book, chapter verse. Either way, I think knowing the concept is more important than being able to quote book, chapter, verse. Just because someone quotes book, chapter, and verse doesn't mean they understand of believe in the concept.

[sandyandporter]

did you see the Debate? I believe one or two of them did give book, chapter verse. Either way, I think knowing the concept is more important than being able to quote book, chapter, verse. Just because someone quotes book, chapter, and verse doesn't mean they understand of believe in the concept.

No, I didn't see the debate, I just read the article linked above. Here's a section of it:

"In the so-called Lightning Round of the debate, there was little time to elaborate. And none of the candidates cited a specific chapter or verse.
The answers from Mr. Obama and Mr. Richardson, for example, come from the Gospel of Matthew. The reply from Mr. Edwards also comes from Matthew, Chapter 25.
A quick check of an on-line Bible passage search found that several of the answers cannot be found in the Bible at all.(The Prayer from St. Francis, invoked by Mr. Kucinich, actually first became known in the early 20th century and gained popularity during World War II.)
Mrs. Clinton referred to her favorite verse as the Golden Rule, which is not listed as such in the Bible. However, Luke 6:31 offers the precise message to which she was referring: “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”

That's disturbing. 8 candidates.... none of them could quote a scripture under pressure. Pretty sure being President of the United States is a pressure job. IMO I want a stronger Christian leading the country!

[Jesuslove]

That's disturbing. 8 candidates.... none of them could quote a scripture under pressure. Pretty sure being President of the United States is a pressure job. IMO I want a stronger Christian leading the country!

In my opinion, I'd prefer a strong leader who understood concepts from the Bible (such as peace and love), rather than someone who has memorized book, chapter, and verse, yet hasn't applied the concepts to his/her life.

[sandyandporter]

In my opinion, I'd prefer a strong leader who understood concepts from the Bible (such as peace and love), rather than someone who has memorized book, chapter, and verse, yet hasn't applied the concepts to his/her life.

I want both. You CANNOT understand the entire concepts of the Word of God if you haven't read it, studied it and prayed on it! I'm not asking them to recite verse after verse after verse..... THEY COULDN'T RECITE ONE!!! There's a big difference.

[Jesuslove]

I want both. You CANNOT understand the entire concepts of the Word of God if you haven't read it, studied it and prayed on it! I'm not asking them to recite verse after verse after verse..... THEY COULDN'T RECITE ONE!!! There's a big difference.

I disagree. They weren't asked specifically to recite book, chapter, and verse. No one said they they never read the Bible. I have read and studied the Bible extensively, yet I can't recite recite book, chapter, and verse.

[sandyandporter]

I disagree. They weren't asked specifically to recite book, chapter, and verse. No one said they they never read the Bible. I have read and studied the Bible extensively, yet I can't recite recite book, chapter, and verse.

We just disagree. The leader of the United States is held to a higher standard. They weren't asked anything difficult like... name the bible verse that best describes the relationship between a turnip and Mars. They were asked what their FAVORITE bible verse was. If you can't recite your FAVORITE bible verse.....:eek:

I can only name a couple, I'm not an expert at ALL. But my favorite scripture is Matthew 11:28-30. I don't even need to think about it. I want a Born Again Christian as President. I probably won't get one, but that's what I want.

[clemsontigers23]

I have no doubt about Obama's faith, and I agree that we've lost sight of the principles laid out in the Sermon on the Mount. The reason he didn't give specific book, chapter and verse is 1) it was the lightning round and 2) it's a pretty lengthy piece of scripture. Honestly, I probably couldn't tell you the book and chapter either.

EDIT: It's the beatitudes in Matthew 5, but I had to look it up.

[Jason]

but I had to look it up.

Seriously?

[Jesuslove]

but I had to look it up.
hmmm...

[clemsontigers23]

Seriously?

Yes, I had to look it up. Sorry that I couldn't remember where it was. :rolleyes:

[Jason]

Yes, I had to look it up. Sorry that I couldn't remember where it was. :rolleyes:

I apologize if I made you feel bad. It just surprised me. I think I'm going to make a poll on Bible reading.

[clemsontigers23]

I apologize if I made you feel bad. It just surprised me. I think I'm going to make a poll on Bible reading.

Don't worry about it. I do read the Bible every night and I've actually been reading Matthew lately, but I have a hard time recalling specific chapters from memory.

[Jesuslove]

Don't worry about it. I do read the Bible every night and I've actually been reading Matthew lately, but I have a hard time recalling specific chapters from memory.

Matthew 5:31-32

[clemsontigers23]

Matthew 5:31-32

This is not anywhere close to being about divorce. You're going a little too far with this. Stop it.

[Valpo]

Jesus is clear that divorce should not happen. Yet it does, does this mean people who divorce and re-marry are going to hell? Well that all depends on their faith, or lack thereof. But clearly Jesus is no fan of divorce, and I'd be hard pressed to find someone who is a fan of divorce.

[sandyandporter]

This is not anywhere close to being about divorce. You're going a little too far with this. Stop it.


??? I missed something. Did ya'll change threads on me???

[clemsontigers23]

??? I missed something. Did ya'll change threads on me???

Apparently Jesuslove has a vendetta against my mother because he posted that scripture in two different threads, including this one where it didn't belong.

[sandyandporter]

Matthew 5:31-32

Now that I have the story..... Jesuslove, that was uncalled for. This is a Christian board for fans of Third Day. Please remember that.

[Jesuslove]

Now that I have the story..... Jesuslove, that was uncalled for. This is a Christian board for fans of Third Day. Please remember that.

There are two sides to the story. And I didn't start it. So before you accuse me in an unChristian way on a public board, you should ask my side.

[sandyandporter]

There are two sides to the story. And I didn't start it. So before you accuse me in an unChristian way on a public board, you should ask my side.

I read the entire other thread. The only thing people see is what's been printed. I don't understand why you felt the need to follow clemson from thread to thread to continue your argument. Sometimes people just disagree on scripture. Leave it be.

I didn't accuse you in an "unChristian way". I'm holding you accountable for your words as Christians are supposed to do. I simply reminded you what this board is about. And it doesn't matter who started it..... this isn't 4th grade.

[Jesuslove]

I read the entire other thread. The only thing people see is what's been printed. I don't understand why you felt the need to follow clemson from thread to thread to continue your argument. Sometimes people just disagree on scripture. Leave it be.

I didn't accuse you in an "unChristian way". I'm holding you accountable for your words as Christians are supposed to do. I simply reminded you what this board is about. And it doesn't matter who started it..... this isn't 4th grade.

why are you singling me out? maybe you should read the other thread. there's a history of personal attacks here, and many meanspirited things have been said to me.

[sandyandporter]

why are you singling me out? maybe you should read the other thread. there's a history of personal attacks here, and many meanspirited things have been said to me.

I apologize if you feel singled out. Earlier in the thread I too was trying to discuss something with you and all you wanted to do was argue. People are going to react when you attack them and their family.

For example:

"Hey, she shouldn't have married a drug abusing loser in the first place. We all make choices in life; some we live to regret. But to remarry after a divorce is clearly not what God intended. It's black and white in the Bible. Jesus' words. I'm not passing judgement. I'm just sayin' it's black and white. In your judgements, you see things in black in white. We are judged as we judge others. But to deny Jesus' words is another thing. He was very specific and very direct."
What do you expect? For the record..... everything is not as black and white as you want to believe. You can't take bible verses out of context and hold them up as black and white proof.

[cheewiee]

why are you singling me out? maybe you should read the other thread. there's a history of personal attacks here, and many meanspirited things have been said to me.

But, your the one that carried it into another thread....

Back on topic,

I watched the section from the debate that is being discussed in the article. I find it interesting that when the Democrats find Jesus, they leave out the life changing power and all that stuff...

[Jesuslove]

But, your the one that carried it into another thread....

Back on topic,

I watched the section from the debate that is being discussed in the article. I find it interesting that when the Democrats find Jesus, they leave out the life changing power and all that stuff...

i sort of agree, however, they only had 30 seconds to respond, and the debate was quickly coming to an end.

[cheewiee]

i sort of agree, however, they only had 30 seconds to respond, and the debate was quickly coming to an end.

Actually, I think that they only had 10 seconds to respond.. it was Obama that had 30 seconds and that is why his answer was the most fleshed out.

[SonflowerGurl]

did you see the Debate? I believe one or two of them did give book, chapter verse. Either way, I think knowing the concept is more important than being able to quote book, chapter, verse. Just because someone quotes book, chapter, and verse doesn't mean they understand of believe in the concept.


Matthew 5:31-32


Couldn't have said it better myself. ;)

[clemsontigers23]

I want to apologize to Jesuslove for any personal attacks I have made against him...thanks for the support guys and gals, but I did kind of go overboard and I think both of us got a little heated. Sorry Jesuslove.

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand.

[sandyandporter]

I want to apologize to Jesuslove for any personal attacks I have made against him...thanks for the support guys and gals, but I did kind of go overboard and I think both of us got a little heated. Sorry Jesuslove.

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand.

I'm proud of you!