Could this be the mark of the beast?

[ausgirl]

Check out these links or do a google search on verichip and mondex and see what you get - scary stuff if you get left behind.


EDIT: The links aren't working, so try the google search for yourselves.

I couldn't find it myself, so I can't say whether it's just sensationalism or what, but the person who told me about this, said that they are making this implant so that you cannot ever remove it - if you try to it will release a toxin and inform the authorities - anythings possible, I guess I would be naive if I thought it could never happen.

[Evanescence]

Welcome to the game sister....welcome.... :cool:

[Valpo]

Guys, please, the mark of the beast is 666, which means imperfection or the number for evil. It is not some physical mark, but rather a mark that those without faith are carrying with them. If we would stop over analyzing some ficticious micro chip that is the supposed mark of Nicolae Carpathia, the antichrist, then we could get down to bigger and better things like bringing the Gospel to the lost and being ready and expecting Christ to return at any moment, because "Nobody knows the day or the hour." It's simple, those without faith in Christ are "marked" by the "beast", those with faith in Christ are marked with the sign of Christ, and that is being baptized into His death and resurrection.

[Evanescence]

Guys, please, the mark of the beast is 666, which means imperfection or the number for evil. It is not some physical mark, but rather a mark that those without faith are carrying with them. If we would stop over analyzing some ficticious micro chip that is the supposed mark of Nicolae Carpathia, the antichrist, then we could get down to bigger and better things like bringing the Gospel to the lost and being ready and expecting Christ to return at any moment, because "Nobody knows the day or the hour." It's simple, those without faith in Christ are "marked" by the "beast", those with faith in Christ are marked with the sign of Christ, and that is being baptized into His death and resurrection.

For someone who loves the scripture and its supposed accuracy so much, I find your reasoning very disturbing. Regardless whether its 666 or not, its an outrage that they'd even think of such a thing...implanting people and tracking them? Please!

The Bible is SOOOO..clear on this prophecy that only someone with little or no real faith would believe otherwise.

And its right around the corner.....

The plot thickens.....

[DareDevil]

The only good thing about the mark is that it is also connected to "worshipping the beast" which means that it should be impossible for a Christian to get it by mistake. So no, I don't think that an implanted microchip will be the beast UNLESS this paticular microchip should also be a part of some kind of worship.

[Jesuslove]

For someone who loves the scripture and its supposed accuracy so much, I find your reasoning very disturbing.

I concur!

[clemsontigers23]

Guys, please, the mark of the beast is 666, which means imperfection or the number for evil. It is not some physical mark, but rather a mark that those without faith are carrying with them. If we would stop over analyzing some ficticious micro chip that is the supposed mark of Nicolae Carpathia, the antichrist, then we could get down to bigger and better things like bringing the Gospel to the lost and being ready and expecting Christ to return at any moment, because "Nobody knows the day or the hour." It's simple, those without faith in Christ are "marked" by the "beast", those with faith in Christ are marked with the sign of Christ, and that is being baptized into His death and resurrection.

Are you kidding me? Revelation 13:

1And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

The Beast out of the Sea

And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4 Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

9 He who has an ear, let him hear.
10 If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

[Evanescence]

Are you kidding me? Revelation 13:

Come on Clemson, cut him some slack...he's not into Conspricy Theories like some of us are...

Hmmm...imagine that...:rolleyes:

[clemsontigers23]

Come on Clemson, cut him some slack...he's not into Conspricy Theories like some of us are...

Hmmm...imagine that...:rolleyes:

That's not a theory...that's fact. ;)

[Valpo]

For someone who loves the scripture and its supposed accuracy so much, I find your reasoning very disturbing. Regardless whether its 666 or not, its an outrage that they'd even think of such a thing...implanting people and tracking them? Please!

The Bible is SOOOO..clear on this prophecy that only someone with little or no real faith would believe otherwise.

And its right around the corner.....

The plot thickens.....

What does my absolute love for scripture have to do with this nonsense? I would agree that it would be an outrage to implant chips into human beings, I'm not for it at all. But that has nothing to do with this mark of the ebast you all are going wild over. And enough of your backhanded insults too. "The Bible is SOOOO..clear on this prophecy that only someone with little or no real faith would believe otherwise." Or maybe someone with little or no real education on interpreting scripture would believe IN this as being the mark of the beast. Lovely to see your new recruit JesusLove with an emphatic and triumphant "I concur!" to your post, what a wonderful CHRISTIAN community. But then again you two judge anyone and everyone without knowing their heart anyway, so why should I be so surprised.

Clemson, no I am not kidding you. Please show me the text that says a micro chip will be the mark of the beast, oh it doesn't exist, right?

The mark is simply the mark of the beast by which all unbelievers are following, the elect cannot be marked by the beast, because they are marked with the sign of the cross of Christ. Anyone or everyone who do not believe, "rich, poor, slave, or free" are marked. Maybe in the same way that slaves were branded, or holocaust victims, but the mark of the beast apparently symbolizes allegiance to this imperial cult. The reason for this marking is because it imitates the sealing of the servants of God. In Chapter 7 we see a sealing of the servants of God. Do you or anyone have a visible mark or a chip implanted in you, nope. The best interpretation I have heard for 666 is the trinity of evil and imperfection, because each digit falls short of the perfect number 7. In biblical times numbers played a huge part in prophecy and decoding. The number 7 was the perfect number, the number for the God of all creation. You get 7 because God's number is 3 and the number for creation is 4, 3+4=7, The God of all creation. So 666 is symbolizing how it falls short, and anything falling short is evil and in this isntance for the devil and his angels and those sad poor people they are bringing down with them, they will not be saved.

[Evanescence]

What does my absolute love for scripture have to do with this nonsense? I would agree that it would be an outrage to implant chips into human beings, I'm not for it at all. But that has nothing to do with this mark of the ebast you all are going wild over. And enough of your backhanded insults too. "The Bible is SOOOO..clear on this prophecy that only someone with little or no real faith would believe otherwise." Or maybe someone with little or no real education on interpreting scripture would believe IN this as being the mark of the beast. Lovely to see your new recruit JesusLove with an emphatic and triumphant "I concur!" to your post, what a wonderful CHRISTIAN community. But then again you two judge anyone and everyone without knowing their heart anyway, so why should I be so surprised.

Clemson, no I am not kidding you. Please show me the text that says a micro chip will be the mark of the beast, oh it doesn't exist, right?

The mark is simply the mark of the beast by which all unbelievers are following, the elect cannot be marked by the beast, because they are marked with the sign of the cross of Christ. Anyone or everyone who do not believe, "rich, poor, slave, or free" are marked. Maybe in the same way that slaves were branded, or holocaust victims, but the mark of the beast apparently symbolizes allegiance to this imperial cult. The reason for this marking is because it imitates the sealing of the servants of God. In Chapter 7 we see a sealing of the servants of God. Do you or anyone have a visible mark or a chip implanted in you, nope. The best interpretation I have heard for 666 is the trinity of evil and imperfection, because each digit falls short of the perfect number 7. In biblical times numbers played a huge part in prophecy and decoding. The number 7 was the perfect number, the number for the God of all creation. You get 7 because God's number is 3 and the number for creation is 4, 3+4=7, The God of all creation. So 666 is symbolizing how it falls short, and anything falling short is evil and in this isntance for the devil and his angels and those sad poor people they are bringing down with them, they will not be saved.

Well forgive me for sounding calous, but for someone who is so well versed in the Bible, i just can't seem to see your reasoning. I mean aren't you studying theology, Valpo?

I think you are terribly decieved on this issue. I feel it is very clear....especially the way things are lining up. To me and MILLIONS of other Christians, its one of the most clearest prophesies in scripture....

[Evanescence]

Without letting the Cat out of the bag, I have a request for all of you....especially Valpo...

Get two Bibles...the NIV and the King James. Read Rev 13 and give us the difference in how they're written...

trust me...its a must read...:cool:

Oh and NO spoilers....don't post it here !!!!!

[blacksheep]

Well forgive me for sounding calous, but for someone who is so well versed in the Bible, i just can't seem to see your reasoning. I mean aren't you studying theology, Valpo?

I think you are terribly decieved on this issue. I feel it is very clear....especially the way things are lining up. To me and MILLIONS of other Christians, its one of the most clearest prophesies in scripture....

A little honey or humility might go a long way Ev.

There are plenty of very well educated Biblical scholars who hold to a good many different views on Christian eschatology that any one of us here on this board would be hard pressed to refute.

I read the two versions. The fact is, if you hold a different view, the different wording can be easily accounted for.

[Evanescence]

A little honey or humility might go a long way Ev.

There are plenty of very well educated Biblical scholars who hold to a good many different views on Christian eschatology that any one of us here on this board would be hard pressed to refute.

I read the two versions. The fact is, if you hold a different view, the different wording can be easily accounted for.

Shhhh...don't tell Valpo...

One word says it all......

[Valpo]

Shhhh...don't tell Valpo...

One word says it all......

I have no idea, what you are trying to say and do not see how reading these two different versions has any relevance to what the book is saying anyway. I personally prefer the ESV, because it is closest to the Greek. But again, I have no clue what you are trying to pull.

[EmmoGomer]

I don't particularly want to get involved with this, so I'm going to say this then run and hide. OK?!!
For me, it's a refreshing change to hear Matt (Valpo) saying what makes sense about the whole mark of the beast thing.
All my Christian life people have been telling me about barcodes and so forth - it's freaked me out I can tell you!
Jesus is looking at our hearts surely.
I'm no theology scholar but I can see what Matt is saying. Thanks Matt.
I'm not saying I'd have the miro-chip thingy, far from it the whole thing is scary.

[Evanescence]

I have no idea, what you are trying to say and do not see how reading these two different versions has any relevance to what the book is saying anyway. I personally prefer the ESV, because it is closest to the Greek. But again, I have no clue what you are trying to pull.

Oh, Valpo old friend...you disappoint me so. :)

Ok, here goes...

NIV
And he causeth all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve, a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads.

KJV

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive, a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Do you see the difference?

I'm not sure how anyone could take this and say that this does not directly point to chipping. Surely, its not specific, but its specific enough and the technology lines up perfectly with it.

This is serious stuff here...we're not talking about convictions or interpretations of sins or guidelines. This is serious stuff. One will have to make a clear decision. Is it or isn't it. If you think its not, then you may pay a hefty price. There's no eternal damnation for REFUSING to take it.

I hope everyone takes this seriously and prays about it. i know I joke and stir the pot here..and even bust on Clemson, Blacksheep and Valpo, but guys this is deadly serious stuff here. And chances are we'll see it in our lifetime...at least on a voluntary level.

Having one for ID and/or health records is NOT what most of us think is the mark...but using it for buying and selling is. That too is being developed...

Either way, its an absurd abuse of the corporate and Gov machines....

[blacksheep]

I'm not sure the difference between "on" and "in" is that great. I agree, it is a serious issue. That's why I'm sure there will be no question about what's going on when it happens.

[EmmoGomer]

As I said I am far from saying I'd have a micro-chip!
I think that satan is faaaaaaar more subtle than this. I can see this being a mandatory thing in the future which frightens me when I think of my son and what he will face.
Is it the mark of the beast or isn't it? Who knows? Can you be utterly certain that it is?

[DareDevil]

Personally, I tend to believe that the mark is not a literal mark on either the head or hand but rather a metaphor for a way of thinking (head) and acting (head). Still, who knows? Maybe it will be a literal 666 after all? I mean, a ruler who argues that Christians are a threat to the state and who wants to exterminate them all could argue that the introduction of such a blantant literal mark is the best way to identify Christian dissidents?

[Evanescence]

I'm not sure the difference between "on" and "in" is that great. I agree, it is a serious issue. That's why I'm sure there will be no question about what's going on when it happens.

Simple:

The chips are imbedded IN your body...in your skin...

Not ON your skin...not ON your body...

BTW- I understand that the root word for MARK in greek or Hebrew is PRICK....like PIN PRICK...

Any truth to that?

[Valpo]

oh right, because that was soooo easy to notice :rolleyes:

But again, I'm not looking for trivial details like that so I wouldn't have noticed it or ever thought it was a big deal. The ESV, which is closer to the Greek uses the word on for the translation. The word in question in the Greek is "EPI" and for the most part it is translated on, but in a few instances can be in. But again, I think this is trivial. The mark can be upon our hearts too if we don't believe and that could be inside us. the forehead thing has to do with the fact that most traditional churches and way back at the start of the chuch those newly baptized are marked with the sign of the cross on their forehead. I'm not sure how American churches do that when they baptize people today. So it's a parallel and an evil one at that, that those without faith would be marked by the beast on their forehead. Question for you though, do you think believers can obtain the mark of the beast?

[in hiding]

Oh, Valpo old friend...you disappoint me so. :)

Ok, here goes...

NIV
And he causeth all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve, a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads.

KJV

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive, a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


the only version that say "in" are the KJV and the 21st century KJV. Every other translation uses "on"

the greek word used for "in" is: [strongs]1909. epi (ep-ee')


a primary preposition; properly, meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution (with the genitive case), i.e. over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.

about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, (where-))fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-)on (behalf of), over, (by, for) the space of, through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).
http://greek.scripturetext.com/revelation/13-16.htm
http://original.biblebrowser.com/greek/1909.htm

[Evanescence]

Personally, I tend to believe that the mark is not a literal mark on either the head or hand but rather a metaphor for a way of thinking (head) and acting (head). Still, who knows? Maybe it will be a literal 666 after all? I mean, a ruler who argues that Christians are a threat to the state and who wants to exterminate them all could argue that the introduction of such a blantant literal mark is the best way to identify Christian dissidents?

I think 666 is a code or hidden meaning actually.

but for now...people would be outraged if it'd be mandatory. Like all things, they'll slide it in slow but sure.....and wonce all the skeptics die off, almost everyone will accept it.

Right now, Civil War would erupt if the US made this mandatory....there's too many people who have been following it...

[in hiding]

Simple:

The chips are imbedded IN your body...in your skin...

Not ON your skin...not ON your body...

BTW- I understand that the root word for MARK in greek or Hebrew is PRICK....like PIN PRICK...

Any truth to that?

my greek is only as good as the strongs numbers, so that's all i can offer.

5480. charagma (khar'-ag-mah)


from the same as charax; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue)

graven, mark.
http://greek.scripturetext.com/revelation/13-16.htm

[EmmoGomer]

I have a question. What happens if someone has a micro-chip implanted and then they become a Christian huh?

[Evanescence]

oh right, because that was soooo easy to notice :rolleyes:

But again, I'm not looking for trivial details like that so I wouldn't have noticed it or ever thought it was a big deal. The ESV, which is closer to the Greek uses the word on for the translation. The word in question in the Greek is "EPI" and for the most part it is translated on, but in a few instances can be in. But again, I think this is trivial. The mark can be upon our hearts too if we don't believe and that could be inside us. the forehead thing has to do with the fact that most traditional churches and way back at the start of the chuch those newly baptized are marked with the sign of the cross on their forehead. I'm not sure how American churches do that when they baptize people today. So it's a parallel and an evil one at that, that those without faith would be marked by the beast on their forehead. Question for you though, do you think believers can obtain the mark of the beast?

I don't know....it seems from scripture that God will not be a part of them if they do.

Could you accept this...and change your mind and remove it, coming back to God? I don't know...I would assume so, yes.

The book of Rev is clearly about Govts, politics and powerful, corrupt leaders and govts. So, if these things are all lining up....like if are in a NWO and this Chip thing becomes mandatory, I'd say its looking more like prophecy.

Its just a darn slippery slope and just as bad is that it is NOT how this country was meant to be run.....like our founding fathers intended. I mean, even non-believers think this is ridiculous BUT will cave from the pressures of the WORLD...health care, terrorists, security etc etc.

Out of rebellion I will NEVER take a chip of any kind, no matter what. I'll buy/sell with a smart card and do without health insurance, but won't cave and become a slave to the system.

its darn scary stuff...but someone please tell me they can't see the health care community making this mandatory in 10 years? I can see that totally.

[Valpo]

Simple:

The chips are imbedded IN your body...in your skin...

Not ON your skin...not ON your body...

BTW- I understand that the root word for MARK in greek or Hebrew is PRICK....like PIN PRICK...

Any truth to that?

no not at all

the word is charagma (Xapagma), simply means mark, the root is chara (Xapa) and that means joy, so no

[Valpo]

I don't know....it seems from scripture that God will not be a part of them if they do.

Could you accept this...and change your mind and remove it, coming back to God? I don't know...I would assume so, yes.

The book of Rev is clearly about Govts, politics and powerful, corrupt leaders and govts. So, if these things are all lining up....like if are in a NWO and this Chip thing becomes mandatory, I'd say its looking more like prophecy.



Your last bit is highly debatable, I don't think the book of Revelation is all about govts and politics. I think it has to do with the apostate church

[Evanescence]

I have a question. What happens if someone has a micro-chip implanted and then they become a Christian huh?

God always does whats right...I'd say that they'd be saved. Its just really hard to say really.

Can conviction override this, if you have it? Some churches think this is paranoid insanity what we're talking about...

Adventists think the GOV will force them to go to church on SUNDAY....as part of the system....the BEAST being the system.

I disagree. How does buying or selling have to do with Sunday worship...

The chips are all about ID and commerce. Thats for sure. It lines up with scritpure...IMO.

[Evanescence]

no not at all

the word is charagma (Xapagma), simply means mark, the root is chara (Xapa) and that means joy, so no

What about this that was just posted...

5480. charagma (khar'-ag-mah)


from the same as charax; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue)

[Valpo]

What about this that was just posted...

I gotta disagree with the root, although I was wrong myself, pretty embarrassing overlooking that, but after consulting my lexicon, Charaktair (is the pronunciation). It really sucks trying to talk about Greek on here because the characters do not transfer. But it really just means a mark, to make a mark, stamp, one such way by a cut, but again i think this is all trivial. I agree there will be/is a mark of the beast, but I believe it is unbelief in Christ. And again the mark on the forehead being an evil parallel to the mark on the forehead, or the sign of the cross that the newly baptized receive.

[Valpo]

I don't particularly want to get involved with this, so I'm going to say this then run and hide. OK?!!
For me, it's a refreshing change to hear Matt (Valpo) saying what makes sense about the whole mark of the beast thing.
All my Christian life people have been telling me about barcodes and so forth - it's freaked me out I can tell you!
Jesus is looking at our hearts surely.
I'm no theology scholar but I can see what Matt is saying. Thanks Matt.
I'm not saying I'd have the miro-chip thingy, far from it the whole thing is scary.

By the way, thank you

[Evanescence]

Over in the WORD forum, I posted this about Mr. Tommy Thompson. The former Health and Human services Director is now with Allied the company that makes Verichip and they're selling it hard.

They're all in bed together...the big corporations and the politicians....

Has anyone anyone visited the CFR, NAU and Rockefeller thread I posted. It is irrefutable evidence that the elitists on both sides of the aisle are working feverishly WITH Globalists like David Rockefeller to bring about a NWO. The North American Union will be first.

Its all in front of us, we just need to look away from lefts and rights and look straight ahead. They're staring us in the eye...

[Valpo]

Over in the WORD forum, I posted this about Mr. Tommy Thompson. The former Health and Human services Director is now with Allied the company that makes Verichip and they're selling it hard.

They're all in bed together...the big corporations and the politicians....

Has anyone anyone visited the CFR, NAU and Rockefeller thread I posted. It is irrefutable evidence that the elitists on both sides of the aisle are working feverishly WITH Globalists like David Rockefeller to bring about a NWO. The North American Union will be first.

Its all in front of us, we just need to look away from lefts and rights and look straight ahead. They're staring us in the eye...

ok, great, but what does any of this have to do with Revelation really?

[Evanescence]

ok, great, but what does any of this have to do with Revelation really?

I'm not a bible scholar or theologian...or Prophet to desipher the Bible prophecies....all I can do is try to see if they line up...even in the least with todays issues. And I can warn and explain to others these things that are hidden from us...

Someone has to keep David Rockefeller on his toes...:cool:

[EmmoGomer]

By the way, thank you

Hey, you're welcome. What you were saying rings true for me. My hubby agrees too ;).

[ausgirl]

As I said I am far from saying I'd have a micro-chip!
I think that satan is faaaaaaar more subtle than this. I can see this being a mandatory thing in the future which frightens me when I think of my son and what he will face.
Is it the mark of the beast or isn't it? Who knows? Can you be utterly certain that it is?

I think you could be certain if you use scripture to discern - ie Rev 13:11 - Then I saw another beast.....12.....and those who dwell in the earth to worship.....13He performs great signs......14and decieves those who dwell on the earth......16He causes all both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or their foreheads.

So....... The antichrist, will have performed a miracle in that he resurrects after receiving a fatal wound, a second 'beast' will cause humanity to worship him, he will perform signs and wonders, etc.

So I would say you would be pretty certain using the scripture about this guy being the antichrist, anything he was forcing people to take to worship him would be the mark.

Remember, the antichrist is just that, anti Jesus, so he will do everything in mirror image of our saviour - he will be in his 30's like Jesus was when he commenced his ministry, he will perform miracles, he will come back to life.

[ausgirl]

Revelation is alot of confusing stuff for many of us - it's not literal in my opinion - like when it says the beast has two horns, etc, etc, I believe that has more specific meaning than the person actually having horns on their head.

[ausgirl]

I think you could be certain if you use scripture to discern - ie Rev 13:11 - Then I saw another beast.....12.....and those who dwell in the earth to worship.....13He performs great signs......14and decieves those who dwell on the earth......16He causes all both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or their foreheads.

So....... The antichrist, will have performed a miracle in that he resurrects after receiving a fatal wound, a second 'beast' will cause humanity to worship him, he will perform signs and wonders, etc.

So I would say you would be pretty certain using the scripture about this guy being the antichrist, anything he was forcing people to take to worship him would be the mark.

Remember, the antichrist is just that, anti Jesus, so he will do everything in mirror image of our saviour - he will be in his 30's like Jesus was when he commenced his ministry, he will perform miracles, he will come back to life.
Rev 13:17- and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Absolutely it must be something more than a simple number on your skin - how is that going to stop you buying or selling - it couldn't possibly, it has to be some system which enables big brother to keep an eye on everyone.

E... I feel kinda strange, this is the first time I've ever agreed with you!!!!!!

[ausgirl]

One final thing - Valpo - vs 18 says let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man : His number is 666 -

How does this interpret to say that the mark is literally 666 - it can't be so simple, the verse says let him who has understanding - I take that to mean it's not so easily worked out by anyone.

[ausgirl]

Just for everyone's knowledge, these are my opinions, I don't claim to be a huge bible scholar, I don't intend to try and change anyone's personal opinions, I am simply voicing an opinion.

Blessing to all.

[DareDevil]

One final thing - Valpo - vs 18 says let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man : His number is 666 -

How does this interpret to say that the mark is literally 666 - it can't be so simple, the verse says let him who has understanding - I take that to mean it's not so easily worked out by anyone.
I don't know how the calculation works exactly, but a lot of scholars say that it is a code that gives you the name of the Roman emperor Nero.

[lilmikey]

The only good thing about the mark is that it is also connected to "worshipping the beast" which means that it should be impossible for a Christian to get it by mistake. So no, I don't think that an implanted microchip will be the beast UNLESS this paticular microchip should also be a part of some kind of worship.

Yes and I dont know if this chip thing is the mark because I to also believe that the mark is a spiritual thing. But also when it says worshipping the beast that doesn't necessarly mean falling down and giving prayse and all that.

Lets say hypthetically the chip is the mark ok. The getting of the chip maybe the worship of the worlds system. The devil is smarter than that he knows Christians are not going to outright praise him. So what does he do he offers this chip and anyone who gets it, thats the worship itself because whoever has it has submitted themselves under his power and authority.

and again it may not be worship as we think as in praising giving praise and the like but getting the chip may be the worship itself

[Evanescence]

Rev 13:17- and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Absolutely it must be something more than a simple number on your skin - how is that going to stop you buying or selling - it couldn't possibly, it has to be some system which enables big brother to keep an eye on everyone.

E... I feel kinda strange, this is the first time I've ever agreed with you!!!!!!

Well, if the whole world is CASHLESS and the system used is electronic....like we sometimes use today, then you couldn't buy or sell without BEING a part of the system....the system would also have you with an imbedded chip for ID and personal records/banking etc etc. They'd swipe your arm with a wand at the checkout....access your accounts. Ask you; "Savings one or two?"

You'd say, "savings one,"

Then you'd pay by them electronically deducting the money from savings one. Or maybe an account labeled another way. Everything would be electronic and the SYSTEM will be the beast.

Its working well for animals...for ID and will for health and ID in humans real soon. The same compnay, Veri- chip recently tested it as a part of BUYING and SELLING in a town in Spain with people. It worked fine.

Its here, but are we gonna let them talk us into it? Not me!!!!!!!!

They can go &%^&^$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[Evanescence]

Yes and I dont know if this chip thing is the mark because I to also believe that the mark is a spiritual thing. But also when it says worshipping the beast that doesn't necessarly mean falling down and giving prayse and all that.

Lets say hypthetically the chip is the mark ok. The getting of the chip maybe the worship of the worlds system. The devil is smarter than that he knows Christians are not going to outright praise him. So what does he do he offers this chip and anyone who gets it, thats the worship itself because whoever has it has submitted themselves under his power and authority.

and again it may not be worship as we think as in praising giving praise and the like but getting the chip may be the worship itself

Welcome to the game Mr. Mikey....welcome...;)

Good post !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Valpo]

Yes and I dont know if this chip thing is the mark because I to also believe that the mark is a spiritual thing. But also when it says worshipping the beast that doesn't necessarly mean falling down and giving prayse and all that.

Lets say hypthetically the chip is the mark ok. The getting of the chip maybe the worship of the worlds system. The devil is smarter than that he knows Christians are not going to outright praise him. So what does he do he offers this chip and anyone who gets it, thats the worship itself because whoever has it has submitted themselves under his power and authority.

and again it may not be worship as we think as in praising giving praise and the like but getting the chip may be the worship itself

are we saying that one could be a Christian and yet still have the mark of the beast?

[Evanescence]

are we saying that one could be a Christian and yet still have the mark of the beast?

I'm not saying that....I wouldn't want to try...

[Valpo]

I'm not saying that....I wouldn't want to try...

cool, yeah I think you answered that for me already and I appreciate it again I guess I should have made it directly addressed to Mikey there. I would like to hear his opinions on that

[Evanescence]

cool, yeah I think you answered that for me already and I appreciate it again I guess I should have made it directly addressed to Mikey there. I would like to hear his opinions on that

Well the question would be; How far does Gods grace go?

and: can conviction override what God says about it?

What does the Word say about it?

Lastly, what would Clint Eastwood do?

"Do you feel lucky punk? Well do ya?

*Say with gritted teeth*

:cool: :cool:

[clemsontigers23]

are we saying that one could be a Christian and yet still have the mark of the beast?

Possibly, if they're not paying attention. I don't see any point in getting the chip, anyways. Why risk it to get something humans have went thousands of years without? If the government requires it, I can tell you I'm going to refuse it. In the last days, the beast will force the mark on the people and will kill anyone without the mark. I don't know about you, but they're gonna have to kill me.

[lilmikey]

are we saying that one could be a Christian and yet still have the mark of the beast?

Hopefully, and again IF(key word here), it is the mark of the beast. God would definently tell a believer not to get one. If it becomes madatory thats where the trib and persecution can come in could come in. A Christian I think would not get one because it was the mark.

And like I said if it is than how can one be a true Christian and worship the beast at the same time?

That'd be like me saying Yah Im a Christian but I perform black magic.

The two just don't mix.

[Valpo]

Possibly,

how could this be possible? I could see one being deceived and falling away from faith receiving the mark, but how could one be a Christian and receive the mark of the beast? See, this is why it is dangerous to think some technological chip is the mark. The mark is parallel to the mark we receive as Christians. I would say one cannot be a Christian and receive the mark of the beast. The beast cannot take down the elect.

[Valpo]

Hopefully, and again IF(key word here), it is the mark of the beast. God would definently tell a believer not to get one. If it becomes madatory thats where the trib and persecution can come in could come in. A Christian I think would not get one because it was the mark.

And like I said if it is than how can one be a true Christian and worship the beast at the same time?

That'd be like me saying Yah Im a Christian but I perform black magic.

The two just don't mix.

ok, fair enough. I dont believe this chip or any chip is really the mark of the beast, I think that's trivializing it and missing the point.

[clemsontigers23]

how could this be possible? I could see one being deceived and falling away from faith receiving the mark, but how could one be a Christian and receive the mark of the beast? See, this is why it is dangerous to think some technological chip is the mark. The mark is parallel to the mark we receive as Christians. I would say one cannot be a Christian and receive the mark of the beast. The beast cannot take down the elect.

Actually, I meant one who falls away from their faith. I thought you meant could a Christian be deceived to fall away from his faith and get the mark.

[lilmikey]

ok, fair enough. I dont believe this chip or any chip is really the mark of the beast, I think that's trivializing it and missing the point.

I don't believe it is all that much either. But time will tell. It could be a natural sign of a spiritual thing. I dont know

[clemsontigers23]

I don't believe it is all that much either. But time will tell. It could be a natural sign of a spiritual thing. I dont know

Either way, I wouldn't get any chips put in your hand if I were you, especially if it's your right hand. If they say get a chip in your right hand or your forehead, then it's probably a good idea to say no. ;)

[bdfwinn]

What does my absolute love for scripture have to do with this nonsense? I would agree that it would be an outrage to implant chips into human beings, I'm not for it at all. But that has nothing to do with this mark of the ebast you all are going wild over. And enough of your backhanded insults too. "The Bible is SOOOO..clear on this prophecy that only someone with little or no real faith would believe otherwise." Or maybe someone with little or no real education on interpreting scripture would believe IN this as being the mark of the beast. Lovely to see your new recruit JesusLove with an emphatic and triumphant "I concur!" to your post, what a wonderful CHRISTIAN community. But then again you two judge anyone and everyone without knowing their heart anyway, so why should I be so surprised.

Clemson, no I am not kidding you. Please show me the text that says a micro chip will be the mark of the beast, oh it doesn't exist, right?

The mark is simply the mark of the beast by which all unbelievers are following, the elect cannot be marked by the beast, because they are marked with the sign of the cross of Christ. Anyone or everyone who do not believe, "rich, poor, slave, or free" are marked. Maybe in the same way that slaves were branded, or holocaust victims, but the mark of the beast apparently symbolizes allegiance to this imperial cult. The reason for this marking is because it imitates the sealing of the servants of God. In Chapter 7 we see a sealing of the servants of God. Do you or anyone have a visible mark or a chip implanted in you, nope. The best interpretation I have heard for 666 is the trinity of evil and imperfection, because each digit falls short of the perfect number 7. In biblical times numbers played a huge part in prophecy and decoding. The number 7 was the perfect number, the number for the God of all creation. You get 7 because God's number is 3 and the number for creation is 4, 3+4=7, The God of all creation. So 666 is symbolizing how it falls short, and anything falling short is evil and in this isntance for the devil and his angels and those sad poor people they are bringing down with them, they will not be saved.

I concur!
Bill