Florida College student unfairly arrested at J. Kerry speech/forum

[Evanescence]

http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/student-arrested-tasered-at-kerry-event/20070918063509990001

So, its really come to this. If anyone thinks we're not on the verge of a police state, then they're lying ot themselves.

This guy asked a few sensitive questions to John Kerry and was immediately arrested and tasered. One of his questions was on Bush and Kerry's association with the Skull and Bones secret society. He did resist arrest but was unfairly removed from the podium. Its obvious it was because of his question.


Unfair or justified?

[mat1583]

http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/student-arrested-tasered-at-kerry-event/20070918063509990001

So, its really come to this. If anyone thinks we're not on the verge of a police state, then they're lying ot themselves.

This guy asked a few sensitive questions to John Kerry and was immediately arrested and tasered. One of his questions was on Bush and Kerry's association with the Skull and Bones secret society. He did resist arrest but was unfairly removed from the podium. Its obvious it was because of his question.


Unfair or justified?

Apparently in some reports, it wasn't Kerry that wanted the man arrested & mic silenced. From what I've read, Kerry wanted to answer his questions...granted, the guy did go past his alloted time.

-washboard

[bdfwinn]

This person has a right to ask his questions when he is invited to do so regardless of the type! If they wanted him to shut up I ask why? The time factor is a LAME excuse. How could this happen in the United States of America on a college campus where the free exchange of ideas is supposed to be guarded and encouraged.

This is shameful!
Bill

[jabob]

I think it was a completely appropriate reaction. He knew the time limit and ignored it. When he was asked to stop, he blatantly refused. I know speed limits and ignore them. If I refused to pull over when asked, and then refused to exit my vehicle; the same thing might happen. Every choice has consequences. I doubt it had much to do with the questions aked.

[baker12]

Somehow George Bush is going to get the blame for this.

I've watched the video on youtube, and can't believe what I've seen. It's true that the kid was cocky, rude, and went over his "allotted" time, but he shouldn't have been tasered or arrested for inciting riot. At most he should have been removed from the forum.

[Andi]

Seven - count them - SEVEN uniformed officers were on top of or around him....and they couldn't cuff him????

It's sad - #1 - that they took him away in the first place. I mean, he asked a question when his time was just out and they IMMEDIATELY rush in to whisk him away??? What is that all about.

It's sad - #2 - that they tazered him....?????? WHAT????? Seven uniformed officers couldn't contain him? Looked like they had him pretty good to me. I saw cuffs everywhere - WHY couldn't they get the cuffs on him? CRAZY...SEVEN against ONE and they had to tazer him?

UNBELIEVABLE! :rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes: :mad:

here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE) the link

[Jesuslove]

I've watched the video on youtube, and can't believe what I've seen. It's true that the kid was cocky, rude, and went over his "allotted" time, but he shouldn't have been tasered or arrested for inciting riot. At most he should have been removed from the forum.

Yes, the reaction seemed a bit over the top.

[Evanescence]

Lets get it straight:

1. He threw NO punches....he was merely trying to figure out what happened...and why he was being arrested.

2. He was taken away ONLY after he asked Kerry about his affiliation with Bush and Skull and Bones, the secret society.

3. He begged them not to tazer him and they did. He was down and about to be cuffed. None of this should have ever happened.

The spineless, coawrds that stood and watched this happen should be the ones in jail. Kerry is gutless too....he could have stopped it by calling out to the cops.

America needs to wake up...this is BIG BROTHER at its best !!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Andi]

Lets get it straight:

1. He threw NO punches....he was merely trying to figure out what happened...and why he was being arrested.

2. He was taken away ONLY after he asked Kerry about his affiliation with Bush and Skull and Bones, the secret society.

3. He begged them not to tazer him and they did. He was down and about to be cuffed. None of this should have ever happened.

The spineless, coawrds that stood and watched this happen should be the ones in jail. Kerry is gutless too....he could have stopped it by calling out to the cops.
America needs to wake up...this is BIG BROTHER at its best !!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:


Absolutely no excuse. I am completely disgusted.

[jabob]

America needs to wake up...this is BIG BROTHER at its best !!!!!!!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

I haven't read 1984 in a while. Refresh my memory; where in that book do the police taser someone while they ask an elected official a question?

[bdfwinn]

I haven't read 1984 in a while. Refresh my memory; where in that book do the police taser someone while they ask an elected official a question?

No you're right that would be in a book about the complete and utter destruction of freedom in the United States of America


Please don't even try to say he deserved this treatment for speaking out. Driving on the highway is a privilege not a right. Free speech is a right in our country on public property and he was on public property. He was invited to speak and went overtime. His speech was also political which is specifically what the 1st amendment addresses. We defend porn and terrible lyrics as free speech and then limit political speech. thank you John McCain and Russ Feingold and President Bush for signing that steaming pile of unconstitutional skubalon.

So in the next presidential debate if Hillary, Ron Paul, or Rudy goes over their time limit they should be arrested and tazed. In fact if I were a candidate in that debate I'd make reference to it by saying something like, "Pray I don't go over my time, I wouldn't want to be tazed."

Bill

[Andi]

So in the next presidential debate if Hillary, Ron Paul, or Rudy goes over their time limit they should be arrested and tazed. In fact if I were a candidate in that debate I'd make reference to it by saying something like, "Pray I don't go over my time, I wouldn't want to be tazed."

Bill


No kidding Bill!! It wouldn't surprise me to hear Ron Paul make that remark...he is totally Mr. Contitution. And that is not a smear - I like him alot.
:cool:

[clemsontigers23]

I think it was a completely appropriate reaction. He knew the time limit and ignored it. When he was asked to stop, he blatantly refused. I know speed limits and ignore them. If I refused to pull over when asked, and then refused to exit my vehicle; the same thing might happen. Every choice has consequences. I doubt it had much to do with the questions aked.

I tend to side with you, though the method of arrest was over-the-top.

[Valpo]

I've watched the video on youtube, and can't believe what I've seen. It's true that the kid was cocky, rude, and went over his "allotted" time, but he shouldn't have been tasered or arrested for inciting riot. At most he should have been removed from the forum.

yeah hello they tried that, they asked him to stop talking and he literally would not move from the microhpone. I mean in some videos you can see him corresponding with whoever is heading the microphone and the security/police. They asked him to stop, had he asked his question without rambling like a buffoon, and going over his alotted time and being cocky, and arrogant, and rude, this wouldnt have happened. They arrested him because he wasnt chilling out, had he chilled and calmed down he wouldnt have been tased. Had he been chill and calm from the start, well none of this would have happened. He could have calmly asked Kerry, "This book says that you won the 2004 election due to what the book claims as obvious voter fraud, such as disenfranchisement of minorities and other cases. have you read the book and if you have or even if you havent could you please respond to this and why you conceded, especially if you agree with the book." Instead he had a swagger and attitude and I'm sure it was no surprise that there was an alotted time or a question limit, it has nothing to do with being a police state, it has to do with the fact that it was an auditorium full of people and he wasnt the only one in there. Many many many others also wanted to ask Senator Kerry questions. If you allow him leeway, you have to allow all leeway and much more less people are able to ask questions.

[cheewiee]

John Kerry and the other Bonesmen are obligated by secret oaths to not say anything about the Skull and Bones society, so whenever someone asks him, of course he wants to seem cordial and willing to answer, but the police know otherwise.... So this show of force was strictly from keeping Kerry from answering any questions possibly revealing secrets about the Bonesmen....

[/tounge-in-cheek]

[Andi]

I tend to side with you, though the method of arrest was over-the-top.


Are you feeling ok today? :confused:

[clemsontigers23]

Are you feeling ok today? :confused:

Sometimes you just have people who are trying to start trouble, and it seems like the police thought this guy was one of those people...I'm almost certain that they probably released him within the next hour...it's the police's job to prevent the situation from getting out of hand, and they were just doing their job. I think we don't give enough credit to the men in blue...none of us were there.

Perhaps they tasered him because he was resisting arrest...that's what happens when you try to resist arrest.

[Andi]

Did you watch the video?

[clemsontigers23]

Did you watch the video?

Yes I did, and the guy resisted arrest like crazy. They even told him "you'll be tasered now put your hands behind your back" and he didn't do it. If you resist arrest, that's what happens. We don't know the whole story because we don't know the events leading up to the event in question, but I can assure you it's not a crazy conspiracy theory as E would like you to think.

Notice how the people in the place started clapping when they were arresting him? There's obviously more to it than this.

Here's another video showing more of the events leading up to the arrest...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlnIkhYCS4w&mode=related&search=

They told him to stop talking and he kept resisting...finally they had to arrest him because he wouldn't obey orders...that's what happens.

[Andi]

...but I can assure you it's not a crazy conspiracy theory as E would like you to think.

I don't think it is a conspiracy at all.


Yes I did, and the guy resisted arrest like crazy. They even told him "you'll be tasered now put your hands behind your back" and he didn't do it.

He was laying on the ground with 7 officers on him when they tasered him. I saw two officers offer handcuffs and no one took them to put them on him. He didn't need to be tasered - and that is quite apparent on the video.

And I am not sure which video you saw - but the one I watched showed him ask the question, and INSTANTLY he was being whisked away by the officers. I DO think that is a bit strange.

Though, I will hold my tongue about WHY he was taken away so quickly until I have heard the whole story. BUT - I won't hold my tongue on how this guy was treated after they tore him from the podium. THAT was blatant incompetence caught on tape.

[clemsontigers23]

I don't think it is a conspiracy at all.




He was laying on the ground with 7 officers on him when they tasered him. I saw two officers offer handcuffs and no one took them to put them on him. He didn't need to be tasered - and that is quite apparent on the video.

And I am not sure which video you saw - but the one I watched showed him ask the question, and INSTANTLY he was being whisked away by the officers. I DO think that is a bit strange.

Though, I will hold my tongue about WHY he was taken away so quickly until I have heard the whole story. BUT - I won't hold my tongue on how this guy was treated after they tore him from the podium. THAT was blatant incompetence caught on tape.

I think you posted this after I edited my post, but here's a video showing the entire questioning by the kid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlnIkhYCS4w&mode=related&search=

It was obvious he was just on a rant, and the police told him to stop talking and that his time was up...he reacted in a way that was disrespectful and disobedient to police and kept talking...he was being disorderly and disobedient, then he worsens the situation by resisting arrest. The police had him on the ground but he chose to take a swing at them and say "get the...off of me" instead of letting the cops arrest him. They told him he was going to be tasered but he kept resisting...cops followed standard procedure and did what was necessary.

[Andi]

I am sorry - I watched the video you linked above - and I still hold my position. I am appauled by the police's action. You can even hear Kerry saying "that's allright - let me answer the question" a few times.

I don't think the taser was necessary. Not by what I saw on the video.

To each their own opinion - but I am gonna have to disagree with ya on this one.

[clemsontigers23]

I am sorry - I watched the video you linked above - and I still hold my position. I am appauled by the police's action. You can even hear Kerry saying "that's allright - let me answer the question" a few times.

I don't think the taser was necessary. Not by what I saw on the video.

To each their own opinion - but I am gonna have to disagree with ya on this one.

And that's fine, but I just don't think the cops did anything horribly wrong here.

[Evanescence]

No matter what the reason is, there is NO excuse for the police dragging a man off and then using a tazer on him.....even if they warned him.

I'm also sure that the cops are tipped off about sensitive topics...such as Skull and Bones and such....thus anyone asking questions is kept an eye on.

These jerks wouldn't have been so proud if the kid would have died of cardiac arrest after being zapped...

Or if there would have been a riot and those cops would have been thrown out on their azzes....

Regardless, our freedoms and rights are constantly being eroded and this is just one way the system will place fear in those that wish to speak out. Thats why the cowards sat there and did nothing...

[clemsontigers23]

No matter what the reason is, there is NO excuse for the police dragging a man off and then using a tazer on him.....even if they warned him.

I'm also sure that the cops are tipped off about sensitive topics...such as Skull and Bones and such....thus anyone asking questions is kept an eye on.

These jerks wouldn't have been so proud if the kid would have died of cardiac arrest after being zapped...

Or if there would have been a riot and those cops would have been thrown out on their azzes....

Regardless, our freedoms and rights are constantly being eroded and this is just one way the system will place fear in those that wish to speak out. Thats why the cowards sat there and did nothing...

It's standard police procedure...he refused to comply with the police after numerous warnings so he got zapped.

[Andi]

I just want to add too......

That kid (and a kid he is) was scared to death.

I have seen ONE officer on COPS handle the most drugged crazed person with no use of a taser.

Again my point? SEVEN cops couldn't cuff this guy? They had to use a taser on him? No way. The cops were pumped full of adrenaline and used VERY bad judgment.

[Evanescence]

Just watched the WHOLE video.....

While he was out of line and rambling on a bit....there was NO reason for their actions and/or him to be removed that way. The fact that the cops were telling girls to shut up tells me they knew that what they were doing was wrong....and that excessive force was being used.

They were stationed there waiting for soemthing to happen...and it did. More of our liberties being stripped. Too bad this wasn't in downtown Philly, they would have been dismantled...:mad:

[Evanescence]

It's standard police procedure...he refused to comply with the police after numerous warnings so he got zapped.

Bull. In a public place? For doing what? Asking a few touchy questions?

Man, Clemson, you're gonna be one of the first people in line for a Micro-chip, happy and trusting as can be....smiling from ear to ear as you become one of them...

Sheeesh...:rolleyes:

[danbos]

I think you posted this after I edited my post, but here's a video showing the entire questioning by the kid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlnIkhYCS4w&mode=related&search=

It was obvious he was just on a rant, and the police told him to stop talking and that his time was up...he reacted in a way that was disrespectful and disobedient to police and kept talking...he was being disorderly and disobedient, then he worsens the situation by resisting arrest. The police had him on the ground but he chose to take a swing at them and say "get the...off of me" instead of letting the cops arrest him. They told him he was going to be tasered but he kept resisting...cops followed standard procedure and did what was necessary.

I didn't see him "taking a swing." I watched your version of the video. I don't think the taser was necessary. They did have plenty of cops, some just sitting there watching. They easily could've arrested him without the taser, even though I don't see why he was arrested in the first place. John Kerry didn't seem to have a problem with his question. On your video he was even getting ready to answer it anyways at the end. Cops are forced to be tasered themselves before they can carry a taser. I think the guy who did it needs to go through his training again.

[clemsontigers23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ndctwAJmU&NR=1

Here's another video with footage after the kid was taken out...maybe you'll hear the police's perspective.

Bull. In a public place? For doing what? Asking a few touchy questions?

Man, Clemson, you're gonna be one of the first people in line for a Micro-chip, happy and trusting as can be....smiling from ear to ear as you become one of them...

Sheeesh...

You already know I don't believe in microchips...just because I don't believe every crazy conspiracy theory I hear doesn't mean I'm a sheep...if you want to go around believing everyone around you is evil and untrustworthy, be my guest, but don't force your conspiracies on me.

Some even newer developments, he has a personal website (http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/) and it's obvious he was counting on this to happen and that he had all of this planned out. Maybe you're the sheep for falling for a 21 year old idiot college student's trick.

[danbos]

Some even newer developments, he has a personal website (http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/) and it's obvious he was counting on this to happen and that he had all of this planned out. Maybe you're the sheep for falling for a 21 year old idiot college student's trick.

What does this website prove? The only things I see that relate to the attack are things his friends have put up after it happened.

[clemsontigers23]

What does this website prove? The only things I see that relate to the attack are things his friends have put up after it happened.

His "friends"...I especially like where they're bragging "Andrew made front page at FoxNews.com!" and where they've already got a march organized for today. He planned all of this, you could tell by the way he was acting that he was planning this...he's getting ready to file a lawsuit and cash his check as we speak. It's kind of like the woman who put a person's finger in her hamburger and sued Wendy's over it.

[Evanescence]

You already know I don't believe in microchips...just because I don't believe every crazy conspiracy theory I hear doesn't mean I'm a sheep...if you want to go around believing everyone around you is evil and untrustworthy, be my guest, but don't force your conspiracies on me.

Some even newer developments, he has a personal website (http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/) and it's obvious he was counting on this to happen and that he had all of this planned out. Maybe you're the sheep for falling for a 21 year old idiot college student's trick.


Who said anything about a conspiracy? Is that what you're always gonna say everytime someone gripes about their rights being violated? You seem to think its OK for our GOV to do whatever they want and even strip rights. This is a common theme among the young who don't know any better.

Your second statement may be true, but it still doesn't justify the cops. And it remains to be seen what he was truly up to. Seemed to me he was a protestor of some sort...dumb as hell, but still having the right to free speech.

Lastly, tonight on the NBC news they talked about it. Of course they led in with ...."causing contraversy over free speech..." BUT they never even talked about it.

Nor, did they talk about the 2 questions he asked. Bush winning the 2004 election due to corruption...and Kerry and Bushs affilation with a very powerful secret society, Skull and Bones.

Gee....imagine that....:rolleyes:

[cheewiee]

Why were the cops there, standing right behind him as he started asking his question?

[Andi]

Why were the cops there, standing right behind him as he started asking his question?

It was all part of the conspiracy. The dude must have sent an anonymous tip into the police before starting his rouse. :P :D :P

[cheewiee]

It was all part of the conspiracy. The dude must have sent an anonymous tip into the police before starting his rouse. :P :D :P

I just think it seems odd for them (the police) out in force like that for a question answer session...

[Andi]

I agree with you. That was really odd....especially sooo many of them??

[maui sista]

I think this guy was rude and very disrespectful! I am all about "freedom of speech" but he broke the rules and was a total jerk and if I was the dean of that college I would kick him out for lack of respect.


There is a right way to go about making a point and a wrong way and he did it the very wrong way....

Maybe next time he trys to rid the world of injustice he willremember to do it with some respect.

and one more thing....I think it was funny to see him get tasered!


sonja

[maui sista]

I agree with you. That was really odd....especially sooo many of them??

I dont think its weird at all...there is always a ton of cops around when someone in our goverment is in public..

[cheewiee]

I dont think its weird at all...there is always a ton of cops around when someone in our goverment is in public..

But usually the cops are not in sight, as it gives the appearance of a big brotheresque environment.

[maui sista]

But usually the cops are not in sight, as it gives the appearance of a big brotheresque environment.



It looks like a small room there were alot of people in there so maybe thats why you can see all the cops.

College's today are not safe as we have all heard the past news of kids shooting eachother... If I was in the goverment I would want lots of protection around to protect me from our freaky college kids today! (I am 24 and am in college) I know how weird kids get when they think they know it all about our goverment

[cheewiee]

It looks like a small room there were alot of people in there so maybe thats why you can see all the cops.

College's today are not safe as we have all heard the past news of kids shooting eachother... If I was in the goverment I would want lots of protection around to protect me from our freaky college kids today! (I am 24 and am in college) I know how weird kids get when they think they know it all about our goverment

They were standing right behind the Emcee of the event. Actually the whole thing seems staged...

[Andi]

I dont think its weird at all...there is always a ton of cops around when someone in our goverment is in public..

Yes - but typically not right around the person asking the questions.

[jabob]

They were standing right behind the Emcee of the event. Actually the whole thing seems staged...

I think he planned it; he was not asking any serious question; was just trying to be a smart-alec kid doing the usual college "Look at me; I'm disruptive and disrespectful" thing. This time it backfired. He thinks he's Dane Cook. The police just tried to move him until he started moving toward the stage (where a U.S. Senator was standing) yelling and gesticulating wildly. Things got out of hand.

P.S. He deserved being tazed for calling the officer "Bro".

[Andi]

P.S. He deserved being tazed for calling the officer "Bro".

you ARE joking right? :rolleyes:

[jabob]

you ARE joking right? :rolleyes:

There are two things I never joke about; one of them is tasers.

[cheewiee]

I think he planned it; he was not asking any serious question; was just trying to be a smart-alec kid doing the usual college "Look at me; I'm disruptive and disrespectful" thing. This time it backfired. He thinks he's Dane Cook. The police just tried to move him until he started moving toward the stage (where a U.S. Senator was standing) yelling and gesticulating wildly. Things got out of hand.

P.S. He deserved being tazed for calling the officer "Bro".

The cops waited for him to finish his question before grabbing him. If they just let him be done with his question and let Kerry answer it, this wouldn't have happened. And Let me make this clear, this has ended the career of those police officers, while possibly making a career for himself.

[Evanescence]

The cops waited for him to finish his question before grabbing him. If they just let him be done with his question and let Kerry answer it, this wouldn't have happened. And Let me make this clear, this has ended the career of those police officers, while possibly making a career for himself.

So true....and what kind of man is Kerry to not come out and talk about this?

If I were Kerry, I'd DEMAND this kid not be charged and officers investigated or fired. I would stand up for a persons right to free speech...even if they were a rude jackass...

Free speech is free speech.....being a jackass and a jerk doesn't give anyone license to silence the offender. Only if he was going to do soemthing dangerous or seriously offensive should this have happened.

[cheewiee]

From some of the accounts I read, Kerry Asked the officers to stop and showed willingness to answer the guy's question, and even said that they were good questions...

It doesn't matter, these cops will be pulling the night shift patrolling the Walmart Supercenter next week as security and this kid is going to win a huge lawsuit from the Campus Police force....

[jabob]

I'm looking around the net and finding some more info. Here is an account from another UF student there:

"So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students. There were two
microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer’s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student’s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.

However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!” Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the
police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).

Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced “Bush” as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. “President Clinton was impeached because of a [b******], why not Bush?”. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at
Yale. Meyer’s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word ["b******"]. The cops grabbed him, but Meyer was able to get away several times. Eventually more cops were brought in to help subdue Meyer. Meyer continued to resist arrest, scream, curse; however he was enventually subdued by about six cops up around the entrance. As he is on the ground, he is told several times to put his hands around his back. He is also warned that he will be tasered if he does not comply. Eventually he is tasered twice. The video does not show whether he complied or not.

Senator Kerry was trying to answer his question to the audience, mostly the one about faulty voter machines. I am a die hard conservative Republican but I do respect Senator Kerry for trying to soothe the situation as best he could and trying not to escalate the situation. He DID intervene by letting the student at least present his question. I never received an opportunity to ask my question, but when Senator Kerry ended the show after the Meyer incident, he did come off stage to shake hands and give autographs. At that point, I was able to ask him my question, shake his hand, and get a autograph at the same time. Now why couldn’t Andrew Meyer do that?

I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?"

[Andi]

Interesting.

Find some more and you may change my mind. ;)

Except for the bro/taser comment. That one I still challenge you on.

[danbos]

I think this guy was rude and very disrespectful! I am all about "freedom of speech" but he broke the rules and was a total jerk and if I was the dean of that college I would kick him out for lack of respect.


There is a right way to go about making a point and a wrong way and he did it the very wrong way....

Maybe next time he trys to rid the world of injustice he willremember to do it with some respect.


Sure, he was being an arrogant @$$, but since when is the punishment for being arrogant a taser?


and one more thing....I think it was funny to see him get tasered!


sonja

:confused: Wow. I know a cop who has gone through the training and been tasered so that he was allowed to carry one. I've seen the video and talked to him about it. Someone getting tasered is not in any case a funny thing. And again I say, the cops in this case should really have to go through their training again.

[jabob]

This was posted around five o'clock yesterday evening from a UF student:

"couldnt get to my camera in time to record his entrance, but this guy basically comes running in with 4 or 5 cops in tow and says he has been running around trying to get in to ask a question and the cops are going to arrest him for it. they almost do it then but Sen. Kerry says he will answer it. he then answers a previous question someone else asked (i cut that part out because it isnt important to this video) then the guy asks his questions and when he is done all hell breaks lose. to the cop haters: i have no doubt the cops were going exactly by the book, the problem isnt them, its the book! they were doing their job and looked just as confused as this kid (this isnt something that they deal with often)."

Here is the link for this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

[jabob]

One more, then I'm done for the night:

"Several videos are circulating showing Andrew Meyer’s crazed questioning and the aftermath, but are these videos being edited with a political motivation behind them? Tyler Antar’s information about what led up to the confrontation has been confirmed by several other students, and one such student posted on a Facebook group friendly to Meyer:

“As much as I concur that this was excessive force, let me remind you what led to this:

Andrew spoke up after the Dean of International Affairs had stated final question. The final question was being asked about Israel, and then Andrew got on the mic on the other side of the room (noting he was next on the mic), and then proceeded to tell Kerry that its not fair not to be able to ask more questions after listening to him for an hour, and the Dean exclusively asking Kerry questions for another 45 minutes, leaving students 25 minutes to ask questions. At that point, the officers try to subdue him, but Kerry sternly told the police officers to back down. Kerry then asked Meyer if he can finish the other question and then proceed to his. Meyer consented. After the last question was answered, Kerry asked Meyer, what is your question. Then you enter the video that has been circulating around, where he asks his question, not before Accent Speaker’s Bureau president, Stephen Blank (in some videos, front row left side of right aisle), signals the AV guys to cut Meyer off. Meyer then was confused what happened, and then was dragged up the auditorium. Meyer kept screaming why is he being arrested. The other videos do not show that Meyer was handcuffed, before he was tasered. I sat in the back row, with this occuring less than 5 feet from me.”

Police (or security) are often present when important guests speak at college campuses - I should know, I was President of the Johns Hopkins College Republicans when you spoke there a few years back. Never in my experience are police as close and as focused on a questioner as the police in the videos, which should spark some questions from the media about the sources and length of the proffered videos that purport to show an unbiased look at the truth.

The people offering these videos claim to be offering an unbiased view of the events. As I type this to you now CNN had a video and interview with one of its “IReporters,” a UF student that filmed the incident, and the student’s video has her standing next to Meyer when his question started. What made her film him then?

I do not mean to suggest that every video was planned by Meyer as part of his plan to capture his lunatic rantings, but instead that the people submitting the videos should have the integrity to show the incident in its entirety. These videos are out there, since many of the attendees were likely filming the entire speech - it is not everyday that a failed presidential candidate comes to UF.

The creative cuts shown of the videos cannot even be blamed on the MSM, because even on YouTube and Facebook the videos are cut to focus only on the question and the ensuing events. The MSM does deserve the blame for not asking these questions about the videos and what went on before the question started.

I have two explanations for why these questions are not being asked and why the videos have been only posted in a blatantly biased form. One explanation is that the MSM and the
videographers are acting with clear political intentions and that this is a clear political strategy. The other explanation is just as plausible and perhaps more disturbing - the MSM does not think to ask these questions out of pure lack of ability or incompetence and the students that filmed the event do not even think of how their editing affects the perception of events.

The MSM is beyond hope for now, and students are the only hope for the future. These videos suggest that the corruption and crumbling state of higher education, which has been so infiltrated by the pseudo- and un-intellectual false scholarship of the far Left that bias is not even considered or bias is taught as the norm. These videos may be the product of the teachings by Leftist professors that if the facts do not fit your thesis, then ignore them.

Just a few thoughts for your consideration, and I’m sorry to see the moonbats have come home to roost at UF - I thought I had escaped most of them when I graduated from Hopkins,

Justin J. Klatsky
J.D. Candidate
Levin College of Law
University of Florida"

I'm just saying something seems fishy.

[danbos]

This was posted around five o'clock yesterday evening from a UF student:

"couldnt get to my camera in time to record his entrance, but this guy basically comes running in with 4 or 5 cops in tow and says he has been running around trying to get in to ask a question and the cops are going to arrest him for it. they almost do it then but Sen. Kerry says he will answer it. he then answers a previous question someone else asked (i cut that part out because it isnt important to this video) then the guy asks his questions and when he is done all hell breaks lose. to the cop haters: i have no doubt the cops were going exactly by the book, the problem isnt them, its the book! they were doing their job and looked just as confused as this kid (this isnt something that they deal with often)."

Here is the link for this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

While this kind of stuff does shed more light onto why he was arrested, it does not explain why he was tasered. How can you explain that 1 cop can pick him up and carry him to the back of the auditorium, yet 5 of them cannot simply cuff him and take him out of the building without a taser?

[bdfwinn]

I'm looking around the net and finding some more info. Here is an account from another UF student there:

"So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students. There were two
microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer’s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student’s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.

However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!” Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the
police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).

Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced “Bush” as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. “President Clinton was impeached because of a [b******], why not Bush?”. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at
Yale. Meyer’s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word ["b******"]. The cops grabbed him, but Meyer was able to get away several times. Eventually more cops were brought in to help subdue Meyer. Meyer continued to resist arrest, scream, curse; however he was enventually subdued by about six cops up around the entrance. As he is on the ground, he is told several times to put his hands around his back. He is also warned that he will be tasered if he does not comply. Eventually he is tasered twice. The video does not show whether he complied or not.

Senator Kerry was trying to answer his question to the audience, mostly the one about faulty voter machines. I am a die hard conservative Republican but I do respect Senator Kerry for trying to soothe the situation as best he could and trying not to escalate the situation. He DID intervene by letting the student at least present his question. I never received an opportunity to ask my question, but when Senator Kerry ended the show after the Meyer incident, he did come off stage to shake hands and give autographs. At that point, I was able to ask him my question, shake his hand, and get a autograph at the same time. Now why couldn’t Andrew Meyer do that?

I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?"


Clearly this kid is trying to get into Yale and become a Bonesman by covering Kerry with this story ha ha :D
Bill

[jabob]

More info: Apparently when the cameras were off, the student was quiet and even told the cops "you didn't do anything wrong". Once they were back in view of cameras, he started yelling and protesting again. One of the videos he shot was with his own camera. He handed it to a student and asked them to film him as he barged to the mic.
My point is this was not an accident. He knew what he was doing and expected exactly what he would get. Yes; the police reaction may have been overkill, but that's the chance you take when you pull something like this. I remind everyone that their job was to protect the safety of a high profile, sitting U.S. Senator and former Presidential candidate. I'm not saying they were right, but I understand.

[maui sista]

Sure, he was being an arrogant @$$, but since when is the punishment for being arrogant a taser?

f people got tasered for acting like that punk then the US would probably have alot less school shootings and such...imo


:confused: Wow. I know a cop who has gone through the training and been tasered so that he was allowed to carry one. I've seen the video and talked to him about it. Someone getting tasered is not in any case a funny thing. And again I say, the cops in this case should really have to go through their training again. Like I said...obey the rules(he was warned to stop acting up and was told he was gonna get taseres but still was YELLING he point)

WOW is right! I am so sick of hearing people make excuses for people who are responable for there OWN actions....ie the little kid in church that is throwing a fit and is warned by the dad and still does it and then gets his butt beat and then the church people saying "you child beater" that child was warned and made a choice.....(just like the college kid did when he was rude and would not shut up after asked to.)

He was there to not ask questions for school purposes, but to make HIS point on tv and in front of his friends.

[danbos]

Like I said...obey the rules(he was warned to stop acting up and was told he was gonna get taseres but still was YELLING he point)

WOW is right! I am so sick of hearing people make excuses for people who are responable for there OWN actions....ie the little kid in church that is throwing a fit and is warned by the dad and still does it and then gets his butt beat and then the church people saying "you child beater" that child was warned and made a choice.....(just like the college kid did when he was rude and would not shut up after asked to.)

He was there to not ask questions for school purposes, but to make HIS point on tv and in front of his friends.

I don't care what his point was, I don't care what he did. For the record, I think he's an idiot, and do not support what he did in any way. All I'm saying is the taser was not necessary. Tasers are a very powerful weapon. I think(correct me if I'm wrong) but tasers are only to be used as pretty much a last result, if they cannot get a dangerous criminal under control by normal means. This was not the case. They easily could've cuffed him and carried him out of the place. Tasers are not just a toy for cops to use whenever they don't feel like struggling with someone.

[clemsontigers23]

More info: Apparently when the cameras were off, the student was quiet and even told the cops "you didn't do anything wrong". Once they were back in view of cameras, he started yelling and protesting again. One of the videos he shot was with his own camera. He handed it to a student and asked them to film him as he barged to the mic.
My point is this was not an accident. He knew what he was doing and expected exactly what he would get. Yes; the police reaction may have been overkill, but that's the chance you take when you pull something like this. I remind everyone that their job was to protect the safety of a high profile, sitting U.S. Senator and former Presidential candidate. I'm not saying they were right, but I understand.

Thanks for being the voice of reason. After the event the very next day his friends organized a march and now I hear he's getting ready to file a lawsuit. I have no pity for this guy...he got what he wanted, now he needs to deal with it.

[jabob]

Thanks for being the voice of reason.

I don't know about that; I just like to have as much information as possible before I make judgements.