US Govt lied about attacks leading us into Vietnam...

[Evanescence]

This looks very familiar....

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm

The National Security Agency has long resisted the declassification of material on the Gulf of Tonkin incident, despite efforts by Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer Carl Marcy (who had prepared a staff study on the August 4 incident); former Deputy Director Louis Tordella, and John Prados to push for declassification of key documents. Today's release is largely due to the perseverance of FOIA requester Matthew M. Aid, who requested the Hanyok study in April 2004 and brought the issue to the attention of The New York Times when he learned that senior National Security Agency officials were trying to block release of the documents. New York Times reporter Scott Shane wrote that higher-level officials at the NSA were "fearful that [declassification] might prompt uncomfortable comparisons with the flawed intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq." The glaring light of publicity encouraged the Agency's leaders finally to approve declassification of the documents.

Hanyok's article, "Skunks, Bogies, Silent Hounds, and the Flying Fish: The Gulf of Tonkin Mystery, 2-4 August 1964," originally published in the National Security Agency's classified journal Cryptologic Quarterly in early 2001, provides a comprehensive SIGINT-based account "of what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin." Using this evidence, Hanyok argues that the SIGINT confirms that North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked a U.S. destroyer, the USS Maddox, on August 2, 1964, although under questionable circumstances. The SIGINT also shows, according to Hanyok, that a second attack, on August 4, 1964, by North Vietnamese torpedo boats on U.S. ships, did not occur despite claims to the contrary by the Johnson administration. President Johnson and Secretary of Defense McNamara treated Agency SIGINT reports as vital evidence of a second attack and used this claim to support retaliatory air strikes and to buttress the administration's request for a Congressional resolution that would give the White House freedom of action in Vietnam.

Hanyok further argues that Agency officials had "mishandled" SIGINT concerning the events of August 4 and provided top level officials with "skewed" intelligence supporting claims of an August 4 attack. "The overwhelming body of reports, if used, would have told the story that no attack occurred." Key pieces of evidence are missing from the Agency's archives, such as the original decrypted Vietnamese text of a document that played an important role in the White House's case. Hanyok has not found a "smoking gun" to demonstrate a cover-up but believes that the evidence suggests "an active effort to make SIGINT fit the claim of what happened during the evening of 4 August in the Gulf of Tonkin." Senior officials at the Agency, the Pentagon, and the White House were none the wiser about the gaps in the intelligence. Hanyok's conclusions have sparked controversy among old Agency hands but his research confirms the insight of journalist I.F. Stone, who questioned the second attack only weeks after the events. Hanyok's article is part of a larger study on the National Security Agency and the Vietnam War, "Spartans in Darkness," which is the subject of a pending FOIA request by the National Security Archive.

Hmmmm...imagine that.

[clemsontigers23]

Could you tone down the conspiracy theories? It's getting old...

[cheewiee]

Could you tone down the conspiracy theories? It's getting old...

I am not convinced that this is a Conspiracy theory....

it seems like our government liked the idea of fighting a proxy war against the soviets every now and again to gauge how our technology and fighting ability matched against theirs.

[Valpo]

I am not convinced that this is a Conspiracy theory....

it seems like our government liked the idea of fighting a proxy war against the soviets every now and again to gauge how our technology and fighting ability matched against theirs.

I dont see why they even needed to create a reason to go in there. The premise that a hostile, aggressive communist nation was invading a democratic nation made enough sense to go in there.

[cheewiee]

I dont see why they even needed to create a reason to go in there. The premise that a hostile, aggressive communist nation was invading a democratic nation made enough sense to go in there.

Because they (Johnson and his administration) knew that defending another nation against agressors wasn't good enough..

lets face it, in WWII it wasn't until the Japs bombed pearl harbor that the US supported War, WWI it was the interception of communication between the Germans and the Mexicans suggesting the Mexicans invade the South West US, The Spanish American War it was the bombing of the Maine.

Even the Civil War didn't start until Ft. Sumter was bombed.

[Valpo]

Korean War?

[cheewiee]

Korean War?

You got me, but it also cost Truman a possible third term..

[Valpo]

You got me, but it also cost Truman a possible third term..

i could give you that

[Evanescence]

Could you tone down the conspiracy theories? It's getting old...

Did you even read it? Its not a CT...

Could you use some common sense?

[Evanescence]

It just shows that there was some skewed and twisted info to help sell the war. This has been a common occurence with the US and other countries.

It isn't right.

[Evanescence]

I dont see why they even needed to create a reason to go in there. The premise that a hostile, aggressive communist nation was invading a democratic nation made enough sense to go in there.

Your serious? This mentality will be the downfall of this nation. With a united, legit coaliton yes, alone, no.

[cheewiee]

It just shows that there was some skewed and twisted info to help sell the war. This has been a common occurence with the US and other countries.

It isn't right.

Well looking back at history, there are those who believe Roosevelt knew about the pending attack on Pearl Harbor. Some say the Maine was destroyed by the US itself to get public opinion behind the war...

Conspiracy theories often abound when a single event triggers a war...

[Evanescence]

Well looking back at history, there are those who believe Roosevelt knew about the pending attack on Pearl Harbor. Some say the Maine was destroyed by the US itself to get public opinion behind the war...

Conspiracy theories often abound when a single event triggers a war...


I have studied neither, but nothing surprises me with big poiwer players, war and money. People have done far worse, for far less.

[cheewiee]

I have studied neither, but nothing surprises me with big poiwer players, war and money. People have done far worse, for far less.

You havn't heard anything about Pearl Harbor..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate

the Maine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29

[Evanescence]

You havn't heard anything about Pearl Harbor..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate

the Maine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29

Very interesting....thanks man !!!!!!!!

[cheewiee]

Very interesting....thanks man !!!!!!!!

I have always held to the notion that we were aware of Pearl Harbor before it happened.

I don't know how the Entire Jap Naval fleet was able to sail halfway across the Pacific undetected....

[Evanescence]

I have always held to the notion that we were aware of Pearl Harbor before it happened.

I don't know how the Entire Jap Naval fleet was able to sail halfway across the Pacific undetected....

Yeah, and it would be a "good" reason to get us into the war...a war that was obviously necessary and righteous.

Its interesting. You have some ideas on this Pearl Harbor thing, but yet you aren't even a little skeptical of the official 911 story? Have you ever looked at the obvious coincidences anomolies and questionable happenings?

[freakysoccer]

i've come up with a good response to all of this 9/11 conspiracy stuff.
in response to people saying that a "steel building can't collapse":
that is like saying that the STEEL TITANIC can't sink, and it did thanks to a large chunk of frozen water, so that is my opinion on the 9/11 conspiracy stuff, it is ridiculous.

[cheewiee]

Yeah, and it would be a "good" reason to get us into the war...a war that was obviously necessary and righteous.

Its interesting. You have some ideas on this Pearl Harbor thing, but yet you aren't even a little skeptical of the official 911 story? Have you ever looked at the obvious coincidences anomolies and questionable happenings?

I don't think our Government staged Pearl Harbor, I think it's possible that they were made aware before hand, and pretended to not know anything, while shifting the fleet assets that were in port that day. (of all the ships sunk that day only three failed to return to service, two of those were on the verge of being decommissioned anyway, and three new battleships were laid down in a year.)

I would be more likely to believe say, that our Government was aware of 9-11 before it happened, than I believe that 9-11 was perpetrated by our government. If bin Laden wasn't involved, he wouldn't have claimed responsibility, and he would gain far more credibility with the american people by pointing out that their own government did it to themselves.

Of all the conspiracy sites I have yet to see any compelling evidence, and I have watched all the web videos and such... There are rational explinations for most claims.

[Evanescence]

i've come up with a good response to all of this 9/11 conspiracy stuff.
in response to people saying that a "steel building can't collapse":
that is like saying that the STEEL TITANIC can't sink, and it did thanks to a large chunk of frozen water, so that is my opinion on the 9/11 conspiracy stuff, it is ridiculous.

Experts disagree with you...prior to 911, no steel buildings ever collapsed due to fire. Thats documented by fire experts....and yet 3 fell on 911. I think its ridiculous to trust the govt.

Chew, I hear ya....I'm just convinced that soemthing is very wrong with the whole story. It seems like something out of a bad spy novel or soemthing.

I like your explanation for Pearl Harbor and agree.

[cheewiee]

One more thought about a possible 9-11 Conspiracy..

Most independent reports state that the Hijackers in conjunction with Al Queida spend 3 years planning this thing. On 9-11 Bush was only in office for 8 months. Not enough time to plan both the actual attack, and the ensuing coverup. Even with the media running scared with Anthrax, 8 months just isn't enough time. Which goes back to that 3 year time frame.

IF this were planned by the US, the president at that time would have been William Jefferson Clinton.So if this conspiracy theory is true, it was not only executed by Bush Administration, but planned by Clinton Administration. If that is the case and these two large political dynasties worked together to attack our nation, then in all honesty there is nothing you nor I can do to stop them. They have already become WAY to powerful, and WAY to corrupt.

[cheewiee]

Experts disagree with you...prior to 911, no steel buildings ever collapsed due to fire. Thats documented by fire experts....and yet 3 fell on 911. I think its ridiculous to trust the govt.

Chew, I hear ya....I'm just convinced that soemthing is very wrong with the whole story. It seems like something out of a bad spy novel or soemthing.

I like your explanation for Pearl Harbor and agree.

No Steel buildings have ever had a fully gassed 757 slam into them at ramming speed either....

[Evanescence]

One more thought about a possible 9-11 Conspiracy..

Most independent reports state that the Hijackers in conjunction with Al Queida spend 3 years planning this thing. On 9-11 Bush was only in office for 8 months. Not enough time to plan both the actual attack, and the ensuing coverup. Even with the media running scared with Anthrax, 8 months just isn't enough time. Which goes back to that 3 year time frame.

IF this were planned by the US, the president at that time would have been William Jefferson Clinton.So if this conspiracy theory is true, it was not only executed by Bush Administration, but planned by Clinton Administration. If that is the case and these two large political dynasties worked together to attack our nation, then in all honesty there is nothing you nor I can do to stop them. They have already become WAY to powerful, and WAY to corrupt.

I believe even independent reports could be tainted but nonetheless it is noted.

I am VERY careful to point fingers, but the obvious coincidences: Cheney doing war games with hijacked planes on the morning of 911; Rumsfeld changing the engage protocol for NORAD 6 months prior to 911; Marvin Bush, the Pres brother being in chrage of the security at the WTC, PNAC and their high ranking US officials; wierd and unscheduled Power downs and evacuations of the WTC and on and on.....they all spell something very wrong.

Take alos the dozens of eyewitnesses who felt and heard explosions in BOTH towers, 7-12 seconds BEFORE the planes hit? Something is very wrong and the fact their testimonies were'nt included in the 911 Ommission Report? Very bad.

Here is a devout born again Christian with a miraculous story. He's a decorated hero, and now a 911truth advocate. William Rodriguz was the janitor of both towers and explains the first explosions and subsequent ones in depth. He's well respected around the world for helping the victims of 911 and also stepping out for 911 truth.

www.william911.com

[Evanescence]

No Steel buildings have ever had a fully gassed 757 slam into them at ramming speed either....

True and I struggle with that....but Building 7 didn't....

And showed signs of a possible, controlled demolition. :cool:

[cheewiee]

I believe even independent reports could be tainted but nonetheless it is noted.

I am VERY careful to point fingers, but the obvious coincidences: Cheney doing war games with hijacked planes on the morning of 911; Rumsfeld changing the engage protocol for NORAD 6 months prior to 911; Marvin Bush, the Pres brother being in chrage of the security at the WTC, PNAC and their high ranking US officials; wierd and unscheduled Power downs and evacuations of the WTC and on and on.....they all spell something very wrong.

Take alos the dozens of eyewitnesses who felt and heard explosions in BOTH towers, 7-12 seconds BEFORE the planes hit? Something is very wrong and the fact their testimonies were'nt included in the 911 Ommission Report? Very bad.

Here is a devout born again Christian with a miraculous story. He's a decorated hero, and now a 911 truth advocate.

www.william911.com

you said that someone felt and heard explosions in both towers before the planes hit...

there is not video footage of the first tower... but there is ALOT of video footage of the plane hitting the second tower. If there were explosions big enough to knock down the second tower, it would have been seen...

[Valpo]

the building was obviously collapsing underneath itself from the impact of the jets, who knows maybe after the fact the jets or some engine fuel throughout the towers was mixing with busted open gas lines and they were bursting, or maybe the tower just beginning to break made explosion like sounds. the most obvious reasons for me are the overwhelming witness testimony that says they saw planes at the pentagon, says the saw planes crash in PA, and just because a few confused janitors come out or others come otu and say things it doesnt make it true or even worth listening to. Why in the world, during an economic recession, would the US Govt attack the symbol of it's econmic prowess? Or why before war would the US Govt attack its military ehadquarters and KILL high ranking officials and have its secretary of state in the freaken building when it happened? And what about those people on the plane that hit the pentagon? what the hell happened to them? We have loved ones telling us they got phone calls from people on that very plane and they were in the dc area, was it diverted to some secret base and the govt executed them silently elsewhere? And I saw some notion that flight 93 landed in ohio, what happened to those people? it's just absolute nonsense really.

[cheewiee]

True and I struggle with that....but Building 7 didn't....

And showed signs of a possible, controlled demolition. :cool:

Building 7 was flanked by two buildings that were slammed into by a fully gassed 757...

plastic and metal were melting on the sidewalk that's how hot it got in Lower manhaten that morning...

[cheewiee]

And I saw some notion that flight 93 landed in ohio, what happened to those people? it's just absolute nonsense really.

To me Flight 93 is the proof that 9-11 was what it was, a terrorist attack on the US.

[Evanescence]

you said that someone felt and heard explosions in both towers before the planes hit...

there is not video footage of the first tower... but there is ALOT of video footage of the plane hitting the second tower. If there were explosions big enough to knock down the second tower, it would have been seen...

Video footage of the first tower doing what? You kinda lost me there...

I do agree with you last statement but there were all sorts of fire and rescue-- as well as victims who heard explosions. William Rodriguez was helping firemen inside of tower 1, when severe explosions occured. The firemen said they were propane tanks blowing that were in many of the kitchens.

It could not be them....it was a Class A building, no gas bottles or gas allowed.

I will say that it certainly could have been jet fuel detonating in certain spots, but the fact remains that MANY people heard multiple explosions before and after the planes hit, some even caught on video.

the building was obviously collapsing underneath itself from the impact of the jets, who knows maybe after the fact the jets or some engine fuel throughout the towers was mixing with busted open gas lines and they were bursting, or maybe the tower just beginning to break made explosion like sounds. the most obvious reasons for me are the overwhelming witness testimony that says they saw planes at the pentagon, says the saw planes crash in PA, and just because a few confused janitors come out or others come otu and say things it doesnt make it true or even worth listening to.

Ahhhh, yes Valpo to the rescue.

Man, thats pretty darn cold. So, you would rather trust the Govt than actual people? People with no agenda? I think everyone is worth listening to.....especially people who were right there and heros at that.

Why in the world, during an economic recession, would the US Govt attack the symbol of it's econmic prowess? Or why before war would the US Govt attack its military headquarters and KILL high ranking officials and have its secretary of state in the freaken building when it happened?

The WTC was failing. It was actually a liability and was about to become a BIG problem. Why? Asbestos. It certainly was a SYMBOL...but nothing more.

The Pentagon? Who knows about either question you asked. The burden of proof is on the Govt to answer OUR questions...not theirs. Its our right to ask the questions and there are plenty of them. Again, I didn't fully say they did it....although I will lean that way. But, if you're dealing with sinister minds and devious deeds that far out-reach our comprehension.....a few thousand people are simply collatoral damage.

And what about those people on the plane that hit the pentagon? what the hell happened to them? We have loved ones telling us they got phone calls from people on that very plane and they were in the dc area, was it diverted to some secret base and the govt executed them silently elsewhere? And I saw some notion that flight 93 landed in ohio, what happened to those people? it's just absolute nonsense really.

Surprised? The end justifies the means....

There is documentation of Flight 93 landing in Cinncinati, OH and the people being taken to a NASA test building. United Airlines confirmed it, as well as the mayor of Cinn.

I watched a lot of video of Flight 93 and the crash. Again, questions...

The hole in the ground is WAY too small...

No wreckage...

The trees that are in the impact area are barely scorched...and they are VERY close and in direct line of the impact area. They should have been BLASTED down.

Eyewitnesses...and a lot of them claim they saw something breaking up before it hit...was it the plane?

To me, I always questioned this "lets roll" story. It seems like the perfect fairy tale to rally the people through an emotional story of epic proportions. I don't doubt there were phone calls made from cell phones and airline phones, but anything can be faked or manipulated. Heck, I can't get a cell phone to work for crap here on the ground, much less at 30,000 feet.

I mean, one guy called his mother and greeted her with his FULL name. He was acting very strangly....who does that?

I'm not trying to explain it all away with dumb theories, but there are just way too many anomolies for me and thousands of others. There should have been an INTERNATIONAL inquiry and people forced to testify under oath and on a LIE detector. Why International? Because at the WTCs, there were International companies and people represented. Our Pres and VP refused to speak under oath and rushed the 911 Commission through the process. Thats documented. How does that work? The Pres and VP refusing to answer the questions by the people? What do they have to hide?

I'll be interested in your thoughts, but I'm about done going back and forth...for the sake of the forum. I'm not trying to force this on anyone and respect ya'll enough to keep going round and round with it. If new info arises, i'll post it, but we all know deep inside where we stand on it. I challenge everyone to look into it and make up their own mind. Then ask yourself how much you trust your Govt.

God Bless you all...:)

[Valpo]

[QUOTE]Ahhhh, yes Valpo to the rescue.

Man, thats pretty cold. So, you would rather trust the Govt than actual people? People with no agenda? I think everyone is worth listening to.....especially people who were right there and heros at that.

mr rodriguez may have been a hero on that day, but today he is damaging this country. And to answer your question id rather take the word of so many many many other people who contradict mr rodriguez' ideas

The WTC was failing. It was actually a liability and was about to become a BIG problem. Why? Asbestos. It certainly was a SYMBOL...but nothing more.

this is unfounded and ridiculous, sorry if that goes against my rule of not personally attacking. But im from NY and I know how important those buildings were to the economy and the livliehood of that city.

The Pentagon? Who knows about either question you asked. The burden of proof is on the Govt to answer OUR questions...not theirs. Its our right to ask the questions and there are plenty of them. Again, I didn't fully say they did it....although I will lean that way. But, if you're dealing with sinister minds and devious deeds that far out-reach our comprehension.....a few thousand people are simply collatoral damage.

not a good answer



There is documentation of Flight 93 landing in Cinncinati, OH and the people being taken to a NASA test building. United Airlines confirmed it, as well as the mayor of Cinn.

I watched a lot of video of Flight 93 and the crash. Again, questions...

The hole in the ground is WAY too small...

No wreckage...

The trees that are in the impact area are barely scorched...and they are VERY close and in direct line of the impact area. They should have been BLASTED down.

Eyewitnesses...and a lot of them claim they saw something breaking up before it hit...was it the plane?

To me, I always questioned this "lets roll" story. It seems like the perfect fairy tale to rally the people through an emotional story of epic proportions. I don't doubt there were phone calls made from cell phones and airline phones, but anything can be faked or manipulated. Heck, I can't get a cell phone to work for crap here on the ground, much less at 30,000 feet.

I mean, one guy called his mother and greeted her with his FULL name. He was acting very strangly....who does that?


again, downright ridiculous. Is Todd Beamers wife some sick disgusting tool of the government running around selling books about her hero husband and deceiving the people? That's the lowest crap I have ever heard E, pretty low and I'm shocked that even you would question the Let's Roll of Flight 93, that's embarrassing. It's one thing to question the govt, it's quite another to run amock, and you and the conspiracy theorists are running amok.

[Evanescence]

[QUOTE=Evanescence;1703194]


again, downright ridiculous. Is Todd Beamers wife some sick disgusting tool of the government running around selling books about her hero husband and deceiving the people? That's the lowest crap I have ever heard E, pretty darn low and I'm shocked that even you would question the Let's Roll of Flight 93, that's embarrassing. It's one thing to question the govt, it's quite another to run amock, and you and the conspiracy theorists are running amok.

I never said she was in on it...heck if they decieved her, then she has no clue what happened....only what she THINKS happened. Its not embarrasing, it makes perfect sense. If indeed we do have a sinister plot, creating a heroic legend for the people to get all worked up about would be smart and a given. Just like now you are all hot and bothered because someone has challenged this emotional story, that same emotion (one that I once shared) would be strong enough to make the sheeple justify anything. Wars, loss of civil liberties, loss of rights and many other things would/could be given up due to emotional puppeteering.

No one is running amok....people are looking deep into a topic and asking serious questions. The real CT theory is what they've told us. The tide is turning my friend....the truth shall be revealed soon. Then it'll be crow for supper for a lot of folks...lol...:eek:

[Valpo]

mark my words, I will leave this country if there is some "proof" that the entire united states govt was in on 9/11. But there's no way that would happen, because the CT's can be debunked with simple, common sense. conspiracy theories surround every monumental event. imagine, there actually is an al-qaeda, an osama bin laden and they did attack this country? but no, because the entire govt is sinister and on the highway to hell. give me a break, im getting all hot an emotional because this whole thing is sick, downright sick. and I promise you if this ridiculous theory was ever proven true I will leave this country in a heartbeat. again one thing to keep your govt in check and question them, quite another to run amok with theories that just drive a deeper wedge into the country. flight 93 lands in ohio and the people are whisked away to a nasa test site, what an hacked off there? that's ridiculous. And you giving credit to beamers wife for being deceived destroys your whole argument! she spoke to todd beamer who said ARAB MEN had taken the plane! what about HER testimony? Plus a govt that carried this out wouldnt even let conversation on this happen, let alone be widespread! they actually would be out there vehemently denying this and sinisterly showing us why they werent involved had they been. if you believe the govt is that sinister and evil to do this, then why the heck are they letting this thing gain any momentum? They would have crushed the theory, killed prominent spokesman for it and shut the whole thing down! oh that's right, BECAUSE THE GOVT WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS! The only govt that was was the Afghan Taliban who protected al-Qaeda and let them train for this vicious attack against America. I think it's akin to flushing ones own education down the toilet to believe in this stuff.

[Evanescence]

mark my words, I will leave this country if there is some "proof" that the entire united states govt was in on 9/11. But there's no way that would happen, because the CT's can be debunked with simple, common sense. conspiracy theories surround every monumental event. imagine, there actually is an al-qaeda, an osama bin laden and they did attack this country? but no, because the entire govt is sinister and on the highway to hell. give me a break, im getting all hot an emotional because this whole thing is sick, downright sick. and I promise you if this ridiculous theory was ever proven true I will leave this country in a heartbeat. again one thing to keep your govt in check and question them, quite another to run amok with theories that just drive a deeper wedge into the country. flight 93 lands in ohio and the people are whisked away to a nasa test site, what an hacked off there? that's ridiculous. And you giving credit to beamers wife for being deceived destroys your whole argument! she spoke to todd beamer who said ARAB MEN had taken the plane! what about HER testimony? Plus a govt that carried this out wouldnt even let conversation on this happen, let alone be widespread! they actually would be out there vehemently denying this and sinisterly showing us why they werent involved had they been. if you believe the govt is that sinister and evil to do this, then why the heck are they letting this thing gain any momentum? They would have crushed the theory, killed prominent spokesman for it and shut the whole thing down! oh that's right, BECAUSE THE GOVT WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS! The only govt that was was the Afghan Taliban who protected al-Qaeda and let them train for this vicious attack against America. I think it's akin to flushing ones own education down the toilet to believe in this stuff.

But, it seems like there's a small light twinkling inside you now about it....a spark or a small strand of doubt? I found the more I tried to disprove and debunk it, the more I could NOT. Much like trying to disprove God. Logic tells me and many others...that large numbers of coincidences that point in a particular direction...almost always are true. Much like cheating girlfriends/boyfriends or people stealing from you behind your back, you KNOW, but just can't prove it. I studied this thing with a fine tooth comb for 1 1/2 years and to me, the evidence is overwhelming. When they posted the pics and names of the 19 ragheads who did this, just FIVE days after 911, i knew soemthing was fishy. Heck the BBC reported that many of those named were proven to be still alive in SA. Those reports linger to this day that they're still around.

The Govt knows the average person doesn't even KNOW about this, much less believe it. They let it go on because it really doesnt stand a chance....or does it? Or are there now too many people and too much momentum to stop it? This is where another false-flag attack will come in to play.....keep the boogie-man idea around and the sheeple scared so they cling to the politicians for help. Another attack would make people scoff further at the Truth Movement....perhaps for a while. It'll likely happen around the election or afterwards. Gotta stop the evil doers....

ya, right...educate yourself and think outside of the box...

[Evanescence]

Question:

Its now becoming common knowledge about 911 truth. Why doesnt the Govt cough up some footage from the 84 video cameras outside of the Pentagon?

This is HIGHLY suspicious. There's some 80 sum cameras and NO footage of the plane smacking the Pent?

Its confirmed the FBI took the Vids from the Citgo and marriot across the street....Vids that were pointed right at the Pnet. Where'd it go?

Why don't they come clean and show us...or address this somehow?

Hmmm...84 cameras and no footage? Imagine that....Please.

[Valpo]

my high school history teacher must've been involved in the govt conspiracy because a couple hours after this all unfolded I was in his class and he bold faced told us osama bin laden was behind it.

[Valpo]

oh and so was the new york times' thomas friedman....in the late 90s I believe it was, he wrote an artical acting as a fictional bin laden taunting america about how he was going to hit us hard. only thing friedman was wrong about was he didnt predict an actualy attack INSIDE america, just more of our bases/interests abroad. we read that article in class 9/11/2001. go figure, right?