Mike Plont strikes again

[danbos]

So, apparently since I emailed him about his problems with Gomers and Third Day, I got added to his email list. Today I got an email advertising his new blog. He's taken things to a whole new level. Not only does he attack Third Day, but he's attacking Mama(Corrine) now too. Take a look...not very Christian in my opinion, to attack another Christian like this.

http://www.nomoreministries.com/blog/blog.html

[clemsontigers23]

This guy is crazy. I can understand about the porn star controversy, though. I think it's more of an example of the dangers of Myspace and I doubt Corrine is a supporter of porn stars lol. This guy really has no basis for what he's saying. I'm interested to see what Corrine has to say about this.

[danbos]

Here is the section about Mama, so we all don't have to go there and make his counter go up.

There Fan club leader is named Corrine (aka: Mama Gomer)

Ms. Corrine has made it a point to write to NMM and critcize what we are doing. We have previousily dismissed her e-mails as they are theologically inept and are easily biblically disputed by on our on-staff Biblical Apologists.

Recently it was pointed out to our staff that, Ms. Corrine had posted a blog attempting to dismiss the ministry God has given us. She stated in her blog that she would like to attempt to mail everyone on NMM's mailing list to refute the work that God is blessing. She even goes to the point of stating that the enemy is trying to work through me. Quote from the blog: "I basically want some ammunition from anyone who has had any experience with Acquire the Fire so I can email it back to everyone on his list." We have already clearly shown that calling yourself a Gomer is far from Godly. We have shown on the NMM website that Third Day has yoked up with a known bi-sexual

Third Day with their hero and blessing
and are professing from their own mouths that they want to be rockstars. Now it is time to expose, what is already clearly in the public eye, about their Gomer Fan Club Leader "Mama Gomer.

Her MYSPACE website is: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user .viewprofile&friendid=187011039.
When you arrive their you will find the following picture.
She stated in her general bio "Corrine's Interests"
General: "I love Christian rock music and go to lots of concerts."

The opposition stems from the fact that we are exposing the Golden Calf. People will go to great lengths to defend the foolishness they want to be involved in as Godly. Our God stated "Be holy as I am holy." Where is the holiness in "christian" rock? Where is the holiness in Third Day yoking up with a known bi-sexual? Where is the holiness in Third Day's Bassist Tai stating tha bi-sexual Bono is his hero, and that when he received a blessing from Bono, he wept? Where is the holiness in the Gomers stating "So what if these "christian" rock bands cuss and tour with Ozzy Osbourne?" And where is the holiness when Third Day openly sings about their desires to be Rock Stars?

In closing while you are at Ms. Corrine's myspace page got to her friends section. Click on her friend named Schuylar.

On his page you will find the following photo of professed Satanist, and rock and roll star, Rob Zombie.

Friend Schuylar includes Mr. Zombie as one of his musical interests. While you are there click on Schuylar friend's list. You will find porn star Dana DeArmond sitting on the toliet nude from the waist down. DANA HAS A LINK THAT SENDS YOU TO A YOUTUBE VIDEO ENTITLED "JESUS GOES TO THE PORN CONVENTION."

She asks you to join her friends group entitles "PERVERTS UNITE".

So when our young people go to Momma Gomers webpage (1 click), then to Schuylar's (2 clicks), and then finally to Ms. DeArmond's they will be able to see and access hardcore PORN (just 3 clicks). One click to a "christian" fan club, two to see a satanist, and three to join PERVERTS UNITE. Need we say more.

When the calf sculpting begins, so do the problems. When we begin to form images in our minds of what God wants us to do, and we do not stop to see if it lines up with Scripture, we are simply building are own idea of God. It is time for God's true remanant to quickly run down the mountain and point out the sin that is taking place in the church, ( 1 Timothy 5:20) before more FOLLOWERS bow down to the calves and corrupt themselves. DO NOT LET IT BE YOUR KIDS!!!!

GOD BLESS

[Jake]

Some people just suck...

[Sharon]

what always gets me is the fact that they don't allow any response .....

hmmmmmm :rolleyes:

[Sharon]

ya know ..... after thinking about this for a few minutes I really think we should be praying .... of course for Mr Plont but what's really on my heart is Corrinne ...

she's in the semi-public eye and really needs us to pray a hedge of protection around her and her family.

[sandie]

Sharon: You're absolutely right.

Corrine puts a lot of effort in here on the Boards, and behind the scenes with Meet and Greets and Gomer gatherings. We do need to pray a hedge of protection around Corrine and her family. I'm also praying that the Lord will protect her from any anger, so the devil can't get a foothold.

[mindyhere]

Oh My.

When you have someone like this who does not allow discussion of his remarks, or even allow others the chance to question or refute his claims by email (see next paragraph) it's a pretty big flag. It's called a cheap shot, and only people who can't hold their own, on their own, take cheap shots.

On his site, below the contact email address, this is posted:

"Please note that all negative messages about this ministry, this site, and Rev. Plont will be deleted by our webmaster. Rev. Plont will never see these messages so please do not try and use these addresses for that purpose. It's a waste of time. If you have a problem with this ministry, first take it to the LORD in prayer. If there is content on this site that you disagree with, then please visit another site which will agree with you."

Danbos - I'm curious, did you ever get a response back from him?

I guess if others were given the chance to openly question things he says on his site, it may cut down his fanbase and lessen the chance that he is able to sell his $20 DVD.

This is what I know about Third Day. God spoke to me through one of their songs, touched my heart and soul, brought me to tears, and changed my life FOREVER through an experience I never thought possible. God doesn't make mistakes, and he chose to creep into my heart that day through this band's ministry of music.

When I listen to Third Day, I become close with God, and I feel thankful to Him for things, repentantant at times - but most of all I feel His love for me and the people of this planet. God is in the music of Third Day, and no doubt, has brought countless other lambs into his flock through their music.

We are all such imperfect people. I have to admit that I became very angry when reading this guys website. But as I pray, I feel the need to pray for him because this guy really is in need of prayer.

I'll also be praying for Corrine. It's tough to be in the public eye, but she will be alright - she's tough and she's got us on her side.

:D

[clemsontigers23]

If you have a problem with this ministry, first take it to the LORD in prayer. If there is content on this site that you disagree with, then please visit another site which will agree with you.

Wow. Visit another site that will agree with you? Basically he's saying he's right and we're wrong. This guy's got problems.

[rossid]

That stuff is just insane. :eek:

[3D NC fan]

So we Gomers are wrong to enjoy music written by Third Day who obviously love to sing about the Lord? Whoever heard of a Christian group touring with Ozzy Osborne? :confused:

I do pray for a hedge of protection around Corrine and her family. She gives up much of her time to be a mod on these boards along with the meet and greets, Gomer gatherings, birthday celebrations, etc. This personal attack on her is unwarranted.

[middletree]

I agree with all the sentiments expressed here. Stay strong, Corrine!

Can someone catch me up to speed and answer two things:

What does this have to do with Acquire the Fire?
On what basis is he proclaiming Bono to be bisexual?

[WeaselInYerFoot]

His attempts are foolish to say the least. When he has to resort to talking about and criticizing the friend of a friend in Corrine's MySpace friends list in order to criticize Corrine, then I'd say he's finding it difficult to uncover any "dirt" from Mama Gomer's life. You could almost take it as a compliment! :P

[3D NC fan]

I agree with all the sentiments expressed here. Stay strong, Corrine!

Can someone catch me up to speed and answer two things:

What does this have to do with Acquire the Fire?
On what basis is he proclaiming Bono to be bisexual?

Here is the thread about Acquire The Fire.

http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=96144&highlight=acquire+fire

[freakysoccer]

This guy really is crazy and in need of prayer. Third Day has helped me through some really hard struggles in my life and when i read his website the first time, i was first angry and then sad. I really feel bad that he hasn't had the chance to feel the presence of God through the music of Third Day and other christian bands. I also have been wondering what type of music he actually listens to if any, i have e-mailed him and have had no response.


Corrine, be strong through this and keep remember you have a huge family of fellow GOMERS praying for you and your family now. God Bless and Third Day Rocks, -Lacie

[Andi]

God is in the music of Third Day, and no doubt, has brought countless other lambs into his flock through their music.

I am one of the lambs you speak of! Third Day's music has brought me closer to God. I am VERY thankful for that!!!

Praying for you Corrine!

Andi

[middletree]

This guy really is crazy

I don't think I'd characterize him as crazy. I read his site, and he seems like a guy who wants to make a difference for the Kingdom, which is good. But he is very deceived and legalistic. The bible refers to his kind as having "zeal without wisdom".

Among the items in his site, while I disagree with most of his assertions and just about all of his conclusions, I have to say he raises one or two interesting points. That picture of Bono french-kissing Noel Gallagher seems indefensible.

[rossid]

I thought that was Mac! :eek:

Another example of me not reading the article in its entirety. :(

Thanks for straightening out that it was Bono and another musician from Oasis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Gallagher

[danbos]

Danbos - I'm curious, did you ever get a response back from him?


I didn't email him about this blog ever...I was too upset about it and figured I'd say something that wasn't particularly wise and something that he could easily twist into something to use against Third Day fans. I did write him about the original page on his website about Third Day. I put about a half-hour into writing a response and saying everything carefully and explaining myself. I got a response on that...but all it was, was the webpage that I was responding to, copied and pasted into an email...so I basically gave up after that.

I also think it's a great idea to be praying for Corrine in this situation. \o/

[clemsontigers23]

Plont did have an interesting point with Bono kissing the man. I've never thought of Bono as the saint that everyone has made him out to be. When Plont is talking about Marilyn Manson, the Rolling Stones, and the Beatles...people who actually have ties to the occult...then he makes a lot of sense. When he starts talking about Christian music, though...with the exception of a few bands that are questionable...that's when he gets into trouble. The attacks on Corrine were uncalled for.

I will say this...he brought up an interesting point. Marilyn Manson once came up with a "Christian" band and had them infiltrate churches and other areas around the country as a part of his plot to destroy Christianity. You do have to be careful, but Third Day doesn't fit this description. For the most part CCM is pretty clean...Christian Metal is a different story.

[mindyhere]

I had no idea that Bono was bisexual. That really surprised me.

I think that it's really hard to be famous, because in the process to getting there a lot of time it means getting sucked into things that aren't Godly, like drug abuse, love of material things, trading favors, etc. Hollywood is harsh.

Which makes Third Day all the better - because they have not fallen into any of that. They deserve Kudos - not to be grouped into a category that includes M. Manson.

[clemsontigers23]

I don't think Bono is bisexual...but he certainly committed an act of homosexuality. Bono cusses like a sailor too so I've never looked at him as a role model.

[rossid]

U2 is my favorite secular band, and we could even argue they are Christian, but this is not the thread for that debate.

Bono's language and other actions offset some very admirable qualities(ONE to eliminate world debt among a handful of charities).

[Jason]

Ok, this is is ridiculous. So, a MySpace friend of a MySpace friend of Corrine's is a porn star?

Should we let Mike Plont know that another Third Day moderator has U2 in his top MySpace friends and has a lesbian in his friends list? Shall I be Mike's next sacrificial lamb? Oh, I forgot ... Neil Diamond is in my friends list too.

Take my hand in yours
Walk with me this day
In my heart, I know
I will never stray
Halle, halle, halle, halle, halle, halle, halle

It's Love, Love
Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show
Pack up the babies
Grab the old ladies
Everyone goes
Everyone knows
Brother Love's show
Amen

[Andi]

Oh, I forgot ... Neil Diamond is in my friends list too.


Now that is just taking it way too far!!! :eek: :P

[Jason]

Now that is just taking it way too far!!! :eek: :P

John Tesh is too. :eek:

[Andi]

John Tesh is too. :eek:

Eek! :eek: is right! John Tesh?

You are a funny, funny man! :P

[Jason]

You are a funny, funny man! :P

Yes, but looks aren't everything. :P

[mindyhere]

I am one of the lambs you speak of! Third Day's music has brought me closer to God. I am VERY thankful for that!!!


kewl! :cool:

[sandie]

Ok, this is is ridiculous. So, a MySpace friend of a MySpace friend of Corrine's is a porn star?

Should we let Mike Plont know that another Third Day moderator has U2 in his top MySpace friends and has a lesbian in his friends list? Shall I be Mike's next sacrificial lamb? Oh, I forgot ... Neil Diamond is in my friends list too.

Take my hand in yours
Walk with me this day
In my heart, I know
I will never stray
Halle, halle, halle, halle, halle, halle, halle

It's Love, Love
Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show
Pack up the babies
Grab the old ladies
Everyone goes
Everyone knows
Brother Love's show
Amen

Jason, I'm having lunch and farewelling a wonderful teacher and counsellor from my staff who happens to be a homosexual. The other person having lunch with us is my former mentor and dear friend, who stole funds from the company I work for. Shock, I'm dining with sinners. :eek: (And hopefully being a witness to my Lord through my friendship with these two men.) :)

[Jason]

Jason, I'm having lunch and farewelling a wonderful teacher and counsellor from my staff who happens to be a homosexual. The other person having lunch with us is my former mentor and dear friend, who stole funds from the company I work for. Shock, I'm dining with sinners. :eek: (And hopefully being a witness to my Lord through my friendship with these two men.) :)

Well, I hope you never become a moderator here. :eek: :P

[River]

I don't think I'd characterize him as crazy. I read his site, and he seems like a guy who wants to make a difference for the Kingdom, which is good. But he is very deceived and legalistic. The bible refers to his kind as having "zeal without wisdom".



ITA. He's not crazy, just extremely overzealous.

[Pouye]

Hello fellow Gomers,

I've emailed Mike Plont a couple of times and gotten a response. It appears he likes to use "shock value" to cast stones at others. Everyone here who is familiar with Myspace knows that a "friend" doesn't have to be a close friend, but could be just a Myspace acquaintance that you have added to the list.

I'm sure I could find an acquaintance of Mike and start dragging him through the mud because of his "friend". This is a very disturbing and underhanded tactic, because Corrine cannot control what her supposed "friends" on her Myspace profile do -- including what links they have on their own accounts.

I hope that people can figure out that this sort of tactic is really tabloid in nature, and there is nothing virtuous or healthy about attacking someone personally through such underhanded means.

We all know Third Day has associations with Bono and U2. But just because you are associated doesn't mean you endorse everything that the other does. For instance, it would be an honor to have former President Clinton visit me in my home, and I could write about what an amazing privilege that would be, and how meaningful it was to me. That doesn't mean I endorse his private life, or his past. What Mike has done is to try to tarnish Third Day by association, which is what tabloids do all the time to defame the character of others. That Bono is supposedly a bisexual has nothing to do with Third Day and their own testimony. He is a great musician, and it is because of this that he is admired by many.

Jesus was accused by the Pharisees of the same thing Mike Plont is accusing Corrine and Third Day of:

"Soon Levi held a banquet in his home with Jesus as the guest of honor. Many of Levi's fellow tax collectors and other guests were there. But the Pharisees and their teachers of religious law complained bitterly to Jesus' disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with such scum?”
Jesus answered them, “Healthy people don't need a doctor—sick people do. I have come to call sinners to turn from their sins, not to spend my time with those who think they are already good enough.”
Luke 5:29-

and...

"A certain immoral woman heard [Jesus] was there and brought a beautiful jar filled with expensive perfume. Then she knelt behind him at his feet, weeping. Her tears fell on his feet, and she wiped them off with her hair. Then she kept kissing his feet and putting perfume on them.
When the Pharisee who was the host saw what was happening and who the woman was, he said to himself, “This proves that Jesus is no prophet. If God had really sent him, he would know what kind of woman is touching him. She's a sinner!”
Luke 7:37-

If associating with sinners is a sin, then Jesus was a vile sinner. If being a friend of sinners is a sin, than Jesus is the worst of all sinners:

"And I, the Son of Man, feast and drink, and you say, ‘He's a glutton and a drunkard, and a friend of the worst sort of sinners!’ But wisdom is shown to be right by what results from it."
Matthew 11:19-, Luke 7:34-

Jesus was a friend of the worst sort of sinners. He hung out with notorious prostitutes and crooked tax collectors. He associated with the vilest people of His time. He spent time in the homes of people who had bad reputations.

Jesus' Myspace profile would certainly include "sinners". If it didn't, I would very surprised... for it was sinners who were most attracted to Him:

"That night Levi invited Jesus and his disciples to be his dinner guests, along with his fellow tax collectors and many other notorious sinners. (There were many people of this kind among the crowds that followed Jesus.) But when some of the teachers of religious law who were Pharisees saw him eating with people like that, they said to his disciples, “Why does he eat with such scum?" Mark 2:15-

Mike Plont keeps asking the same question that the Pharisees asked Jesus and His disciples:
"Why do you "so called" Christians hang out with such notorious sinners and scum?" Remember, Jesus praised the woman who washed His feet -- that "vile woman" who could have been a bisexual for all we know.

I would rather be "guilty" of hanging out with "sinners" than a Pharisee who has no love for those who aren't as supposedly righteous as they are. Mike Plont continues his tirades against Third Day and now good Christian folks like Corrine, accusing them of being friends of sinners, and therefore trying to justify himself and his so-called "ministry". I'm glad Third Day is associating with Bono. Bono just might draw closer to Jesus because of their witness to him. I'm glad Corrine hangs out with people who need Jesus. If she didn't, I wouldn't think much of her witness... for as Jesus said:

“Healthy people don't need a doctor—sick people do. I have come to call sinners, not those who think they are already good enough.” Mark 2:17

It appears to me that Mike Plont refuses to associate with people of reputable character just like the Pharisees who called out for His crucifixion.

Rock

[Sharon]

well said Rock ..... well said :cool:

[Jason]

Rock, well said as usual.

[silverose]

I've dealt with this kind of Christian before. A friend was always bringing books trying to promote the idea that Christian rock music was sinful and there should be no drums in church. His friendship was welcome but his constant need to change others wore on friendships. He would have done more good by being open to the spirit of God rather then trying to force others to fit into his perception of what God is. I try to let God rule my life rather then my ruling over God in my life.

[Corrine]

I could defend myself, but what would be the point? This man doesn't listen to anyone. He twists everything anyone says. I never criticized him or his ministry. I only tried to educate him. If my emails are easily disputed, and if he cares about what he is saying, why didn't he try to educate me in return? He doesn't want to change things, or he would have tried to.

Please don't email him. It's a waste of your time, and it only gives him fuel.

Thanks to everyone for the support and the prayers. It means more than you know.

[sandie]

Well, I hope you never become a moderator here. :eek: :P

Mate, I was already knocked back on that one. It must be the company I keep. :P

[sandie]

I have arrived. :rolleyes:

I could defend myself, but what would be the point? This man doesn't listen to anyone. He twists everything anyone says. I never criticized him or his ministry. I only tried to educate him. If my emails are easily disputed, and if he cares about what he is saying, why didn't he try to educate me in return? He doesn't want to change things, or he would have tried to.

Please don't email him. It's a waste of your time, and it only gives him fuel.

Thanks to everyone for the support and the prayers. It means more than you know.

Corrine: You have a sensible attitude to this. Thank you for all you do around here. :) :) :)

[Sharon]

I have arrived. :rolleyes:

I could defend myself, but what would be the point? This man doesn't listen to anyone. He twists everything anyone says. I never criticized him or his ministry. I only tried to educate him. If my emails are easily disputed, and if he cares about what he is saying, why didn't he try to educate me in return? He doesn't want to change things, or he would have tried to.

Please don't email him. It's a waste of your time, and it only gives him fuel.

Thanks to everyone for the support and the prayers. It means more than you know.

No prob girlie ..... it's our pleasure. After I read what he said I just felt overwhelmed to pray especially for you. You got enough on your plate right now....

[Pouye]

Very sensible. Thank you, and may God bless your ministry here and elsewhere.

Rock

[clemsontigers23]

Rock that post was truly amazing. It's obvious God is speaking through you and using you as a vessel.

Corrine, what a testimony it is that you're not getting angry over this and that you are simply dismissing it as insignificant. The best thing to do is pray for the man.

[middletree]

Rock:
Perfect post. But I want to highlight the part about Bono being supposedly bisexual. There is one picture of him kissing the lead singer of Oasis. Now, it's a disturbing picture, no doubt. But that is the only thing about Bono's life that Plont is basing his "known bisexual" comment on. He's a believer and a faithful husband for decades.

[middletree]

Bono cusses like a sailor too

I have to say (and maybe this start an entirely new debate, but I don't mean to): cussing doesn't bother, nor does it make me question the Christianity of the person doing the cussing. Clearly, using God's name in vain is ungodly, but most cussers, including Bono, use the S-word and F-word more than anything else, and the bible never mentions them. It's society which has decided that those are bad words, and any attempt to assign the "sin" tag to those words has no foundation on which to build that assertion, and they run the risk of being referred to as legalistic and even Phariseeical.

[3D NC fan]

Another thoughtful post, Rock. I believe Corrine is right as there is nothing we can say or do to change this man's opinion. Thankfully we can all gather here as ones who love the Lord and just happen to find enjoyment in worshipping Him through the music of Third Day. Love you Mama!

[Corrine]

Very sensible. Thank you, and may God bless your ministry here and elsewhere.

Rock

Thank you, and thank you for your thoughtful post. It's always better to have scripture to back you up. :)

[Corrine]

Another thoughtful post, Rock. I believe Corrine is right as there is nothing we can say or do to change this man's opinion. Thankfully we can all gather here as ones who love the Lord and just happen to find enjoyment in worshipping Him through the music of Third Day. Love you Mama!

Love you all, too!

[middletree]

there is nothing we can say or do to change this man's opinion.

If it makes anyone feel better, I doubt that anyone takes him seriously. Even if you found the site by Googling "Third Day", you'd see the ridiculous look of the site, the loud colors, the large fonts, the multiple exclamation points, and the terrible spelling, and conclude that this man has very little credibility.

I have this feeling that if Jesus walked the earth today instead of 2000 years ago, and He had a website, his would be subtle, easy on the eye, and full of helpful information. The Pharisee's site, in contrast, would look like the Plont site.

[Pouye]

Rock:
Perfect post. But I want to highlight the part about Bono being supposedly bisexual. There is one picture of him kissing the lead singer of Oasis. Now, it's a disturbing picture, no doubt. But that is the only thing about Bono's life that Plont is basing his "known bisexual" comment on. He's a believer and a faithful husband for decades.

Ya... I figured as much. As I said, it is the shock that he is after, even if he has to use a black and white photo from ages ago. I don't really care about Bono's situation. Third Day is not Paul David Hewson.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, people can be forgiven by God for their past:

"Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers—none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God. There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you."
1 Corinthians 6:9-

Here are some quotes from Bono himself:

"I love the bit when Christ's asked for his greatest hits and he says, 'OK, love God, and love your neighbours as yourself.' Christianity is not complicated, that's what it is."

"I have to come clean; I've broken a lot of laws, and the ones I haven't I've certainly thought about. I have sinned in thought, word, and deed. God forgive me. Actually God forgave me, but why would you?"

"I don't doubt God. I have firm faith absolutely in God. It's religion I'm doubting."

-----------

But as I said, this isn't about Bono, but about Third Day and their fans. Just the fact that Mike has been able to stir up so much conversation about
Bono proves that his tactics are pretty good at getting people emotional.

Rock

[Pouye]

If it makes anyone feel better, I doubt that anyone takes him seriously. Even if you found the site by Googling "Third Day", you'd see the ridiculous look of the site, the loud colors, the large fonts, the multiple exclamation points, and the terrible spelling, and conclude that this man has very little credibility.

I have this feeling that if Jesus walked the earth today instead of 2000 years ago, and He had a website, his would be subtle, easy on the eye, and full of helpful information. The Pharisee's site, in contrast, would look like the Plont site.

This post made me snicker and grin... :D

Did you notice that he spelled the first word of his tirade "There" instead of "Their" (see post #3 in this thread for transcript).

:rolleyes:

Rock

[3D NC fan]

Thank God that we can be forgiven for our past! I also enjoyed the post from James about how a website run by Jesus might look. Always some good conversations here on the boards! :D

[prayercloth sis]

Blont ??? & his group....

....if they were really about winning souls they wouldn't have time to twist and turn things so that they could accuse others of wrong doing.....

sowing discord among the brethren is an abomination unto God.., gossiping, liars all will have their place.....

If you do something for God...you better believe the enemy is going to attack.....

I Praise the Lord for it....just means Third Day and Corrine must be doing something right. God Bless and protect 3rd Day and Corrine and continue to pour your blessings out upon each of them and anoint them and use them to further your Kingdom, and I pray a hedge of protection about them in Jesus name amen!

I am a very strict pentecostal/apostolic woman....and I went to a Third Day Concert in Tyler Texas and cried and prayed in the Holy Ghost the whole time....

Don't tell me God doesn't like Third Day's music!

He gave them their talents and anointed them to play and sing.... and minister to people who enjoy that type of music....

Jesus sat with the sinner's & the publican's, and spoke to the one's the elite priest wouldn't.....& they lied on him and made accusations...

So Praise God....they are going to do it to us to! We will be persecuted for His name sake!

I don't know about the bi-sexual person Blont ws referring to...or whether it's true or not and don't really care.

Jesus came to set the captive free and to save that which was lost...and we ALL are supposed to be reaching out to those that are bound by SIN!!!!

Saul was a murderer before he became the Apostle Paul.....

So wake up Blont...and try to save someone.....and get off others that are working for the Kingdom!

Yeah...I preach a little too...hello....most pentecostals do...lol...

Let me at him...lol...I 'll preach or lay hands on him one or the other...and cast that arrogant spirit off him...Those Sadduces and Pharisees had the same spirit....

I love Third Day, I love Corrine....and I love the Gomers..

For by this sign shall they know that you are my disciples that you have love one for another....

I personally didn't like the name Gomers....because of the book of Hosea...but I didn't choose that name and don't know why it was chosen....

Gomer was a person who needed God's salvation....she made many grave mistakes...but Hosea through the love of God....bought her back....

Jesus bought us all with a price....His blood paid for all our sins...we were all Gomers at one time and Jesus bought us with his life!

scripture states we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God....and so has Blont...

Sorry....just struck a last nerve when I read this..and brought out the preacher in me....

Rhonie

[Jason]

I personally didn't like the name Gomers....because of the book of Hosea...but I didn't choose that name and don't know why it was chosen....

Gomer was a person who needed God's salvation....she made many grave mistakes...but Hosea through the love of God....bought her back....

Jesus bought us all with a price....His blood paid for all our sins...we were all Gomers at one time and Jesus bought us with his life!

scripture states we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God....and so has Blont...


Rhonie, you just explained why the name Gomers was chosen.

[SmileyFreak1981]

If it makes anyone feel better, I doubt that anyone takes him seriously. Even if you found the site by Googling "Third Day", you'd see the ridiculous look of the site, the loud colors, the large fonts, the multiple exclamation points, and the terrible spelling, and conclude that this man has very little credibility.

I have this feeling that if Jesus walked the earth today instead of 2000 years ago, and He had a website, his would be subtle, easy on the eye, and full of helpful information. The Pharisee's site, in contrast, would look like the Plont site.

lol...as a web graphic designer person, I concur. :D

This Plont dude is a windbag; eventually he'll run out of air :rolleyes: ...though I have to say it's a bit disturbing that he has all of these people around him who only feed him the positive comments, presumably to feed his ego. Not only is that sinful, but it's psychologically unhealthy. Anyone who is in a position of ministry should be willing to really listen to those who are critical, and consider what they have to say...it shows humility.

And kudos to you, Corrine, for not letting this guy get to you.

[kiwisongbird]

Ten year old Isaac who is wanting to be a rock star for Jesus, and I quote him, "Do you KNOW how many people can be reached for Jesus by music Mum?" and "When I hear God speak, He says to me, "Music, music, music.""
Well, he said, after I had told him about what Mr P. said about the Rock Star song, "Mum, that's really stupid"...

A ten year old goes to a 3D concert and worships Jesus there - I really think we just need to ignore this guy and pray for the guys and for Corrine and thank the Lord that like Gomer, when we were worthless in the eyes of the world, He chose us!!!

[middletree]

Did you notice that he spelled the first word of his tirade "There" instead of "Their" (see post #3 in this thread for transcript).


Yeah, he's got a lot of misspelled words on the site. It's bad.

[mindyhere]

This post made me snicker and grin... :D

Did you notice that he spelled the first word of his tirade "There" instead of "Their" (see post #3 in this thread for transcript).

:rolleyes:

Rock

I reacted the same way that you did! Then I read your post and laughed harder. :D

I was hoping someone else noticed that too. There's bad grammar all over the site. I'm also pretty certain that the webmaster he speaks of is actually himself. But who knows.

[clemsontigers23]

I have to say (and maybe this start an entirely new debate, but I don't mean to): cussing doesn't bother, nor does it make me question the Christianity of the person doing the cussing. Clearly, using God's name in vain is ungodly, but most cussers, including Bono, use the S-word and F-word more than anything else, and the bible never mentions them. It's society which has decided that those are bad words, and any attempt to assign the "sin" tag to those words has no foundation on which to build that assertion, and they run the risk of being referred to as legalistic and even Phariseeical.


Colossians 3:8

But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

I've said a cuss word once or twice in my life and felt horrible about saying it. It's not appropriate for kids to say and it sounds filthy. I feel dirty whenever I hear a cuss word, let alone say one. I believe God has spoken to my heart that cussing does NOT glorify Him.

Are you calling me legalistic and a Pharisee because I don't agree with cussing? Are you serious?

[middletree]

Are you calling me legalistic and a Pharisee because I don't agree with cussing?
Nope. I'm saying that calling something a sin which isn't identified as a sin is what Pharisees do. It is my opinion that most casual uses of the s-word and f-word do not fall into the criteria mentioned in the verse you quoted. Your experience may vary. (BTW, the Greek for "filthy language" in that verse means literally "vile communication"; does the bible say specifically which words are vile?)

Please read the following completely, at least twice, and digest it to really get what I am saying.

Moreover, I have a problem with using cussing as a benchmark for one's Christian walk. Think about it: most people will recognize a co-worker as a Christian if he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss. Because of this, most Americans have come to identify this (and avoidance of other related behaviors) with Christianity.

I think this is a grave error, because it leads the typical professing Christian in a position where he's satisfied with his walk with Christ because he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss.

In reality, when we are walking with Christ as we should, we will exhibit other behaviors, and these behaviors will impact the world around us in a positive way.

When we have an intimate relationship with Christ, we:
--recognize who we are in Christ
--know the Word
--focus on loving the person in front of us
--tell others what Jesus means to us
--give to those in need
--exhibit the Fruit of the Spirit: joy, peace, patience, etc.

Interestingly, the two chapters right before that verse that you posted, Col 1 and 2, describe a list of the behaviors God wants us to exhibit as followers of Him.

These behaviors (and others) are going to have an impact for the Kingdom of God. Satan views these behaviors as problematic, as dangerous. He devises schemes to keep us from engaging in those behaviors. He comes up with diabolical plots and wounds in our lives to keep us from remembering who we are in Christ. He comes up with ways to make is live in fear or anxiety. He devises ways to keep us from spending time in the Word. He wants us to focus on ourselves, instead of that person in front of us. He tries to get us to find excuses not to share our resources, or share the Gospel.

I seriously doubt that he sits around trying to find ways to make us cuss. He knows what actions on our part are dangerous. I want to focus on what's dangerous. When the average American professing Christian is happy that he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss, then Satan is satisfied, because that Christian has been effectively neutered. He isn't going to impact the world around him for the Kingdom.

[clemsontigers23]

Nope. I'm saying that calling something a sin which isn't identified as a sin is what Pharisees do. It is my opinion that most casual uses of the s-word and f-word do not fall into the criteria mentioned in the verse you quoted. Your experience may vary. (BTW, the Greek for "filthy language" in that verse means literally "vile communication"; does the bible say specifically which words are vile?)

Please read the following completely, at least twice, and digest it to really get what I am saying.

Moreover, I have a problem with using cussing as a benchmark for one's Christian walk. Think about it: most people will recognize a co-worker as a Christian if he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss. Because of this, most Americans have come to identify this (and avoidance of other related behaviors) with Christianity.

I think this is a grave error, because it leads the typical professing Christian in a position where he's satisfied with his walk with Christ because he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss.

In reality, when we are walking with Christ as we should, we will exhibit other behaviors, and these behaviors will impact the world around us in a positive way.

When we have an intimate relationship with Christ, we:
--recognize who we are in Christ
--know the Word
--focus on loving the person in front of us
--tell others what Jesus means to us
--give to those in need
--exhibit the Fruit of the Spirit: joy, peace, patience, etc.

Interestingly, the two chapters right before that verse that you posted, Col 1 and 2, describe a list of the behaviors God wants us to exhibit as followers of Him.

These behaviors (and others) are going to have an impact for the Kingdom of God. Satan views these behaviors as problematic, as dangerous. He devises schemes to keep us from engaging in those behaviors. He comes up with diabolical plots and wounds in our lives to keep us from remembering who we are in Christ. He comes up with ways to make is live in fear or anxiety. He devises ways to keep us from spending time in the Word. He wants us to focus on ourselves, instead of that person in front of us. He tries to get us to find excuses not to share our resources, or share the Gospel.

I seriously doubt that he sits around trying to find ways to make us cuss. He knows what actions on our part are dangerous. I want to focus on what's dangerous. When the average American professing Christian is happy that he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss, then Satan is satisfied, because that Christian has been effectively neutered. He isn't going to impact the world around him for the Kingdom.

Whoever said the definition of a Christian is someone who doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss? Not drinking, smoking, or cussing are all good things because for one, not drinking and not smoking is taking care of your body, which is a temple to God. Not cussing is one of the things that exhibits love and compassion, peace, humility, and patience, that one is better than resorting to using foul and filthy language with a tongue that at the same time is supposed to be doing the very things you're saying, such as spreading the Gospel, praising God, etc. Filthy language doesn't belong in a Christian's vocabulary, even if the only reason is that society views it as unacceptable. I for one feel dirty just hearing it, and as it's been said many times before, if it makes you feel dirty and shameful, it's probably not right.

[middletree]

Whoever said the definition of a Christian is someone who doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss?

I said just the opposite. The biblical view of Christianity is much, much more. I said that unfortunately, most Americans simplify their view of who's a Christian by those criteria. They may not put it into those words, but that's the way the thinking is these days.

Not drinking, smoking, or cussing are all good things because for one, not drinking and not smoking is taking care of your body, which is a temple to God. Not cussing is one of the things that exhibits love and compassion,

You make generally good points here. I could quibble, but in general, I agree. I am not advocating using profanity or getting drunk. I am saying the focus shouldn't be so much on those behaviors. The bible tells us which things to focus on, and those items are mentioned far fewer times than many other behaviors that we are to engage in.

This brings me back to Plont, the guy who put together the website that we are discussing in this thread. He says that (insert band name here) is of the devil because (insert behavior here). He mentions bad words a lot, as if that were the main tool the Devil is using to get us to do his work. I say that's rubbish, and it stems from the fact that Plont is fixated on a behavior that is ultimately pretty minor.

I'll take a passionate Christian who occasionally drops the F-bomb over a clean-speaking suburbanite, passionless, Ken-doll Christian any day.

[middletree]

using foul and filthy language with a tongue that at the same time is supposed to be doing the very things you're saying, such as spreading the Gospel, praising God, etc.

I was at a men's retreat 3 years ago, and our group was led by a man, a pastor, who was praying a very intense prayer for our time that week. At one point, he said "Jesus, we just want you. We don't want distractions, we don't want B------t, we just want you." It was one of the most passionate prayers I have ever heard. He was speaking from the heart, and God certainly answered his prayer that week.

Filthy language doesn't belong in a Christian's vocabulary
I agree. Your verse from Col. 3 verifies that. But I am not convinced that the s-word or f-words are filthy. Society decided that they are, but what if one day they decide that the word "peanut" is filthy? It wasn't a sin yesterday, but now it is? Don't think that's a ridiculous example, because that is exactly how supposedly bad words get into the vernacular.

A more obvious example is the word "bloody". In England, it's a cuss word, and in the US, it isn't. So is it a sin or not? Can something be a sin in one country and not in another?

[clemsontigers23]

I was at a men's retreat 3 years ago, and our group was led by a man, a pastor, who was praying a very intense prayer for our time that week. At one point, he said "Jesus, we just want you. We don't want distractions, we don't want B------t, we just want you." It was one of the most passionate prayers I have ever heard. He was speaking from the heart, and God certainly answered his prayer that week.


I agree. Your verse from Col. 3 verifies that. But I am not convinced that the s-word or f-words are filthy. Society decided that they are, but what if one day they decide that the word "peanut" is filthy? It wasn't a sin yesterday, but now it is? Don't think that's a ridiculous example, because that is exactly how supposedly bad words get into the vernacular.

A more obvious example is the word "bloody". In England, it's a cuss word, and in the US, it isn't. So is it a sin or not? Can something be a sin in one country and not in another?

I don't disagree with you. All I'm saying is that whenever I have cussed in my life, which has been very little, I've felt like I had done something horrible and immediately repent for it. The guilt was more than I had felt in a long time, and whenever I hear the words I feel dirty. I don't like hearing that type of language. It is my personal preference. I was listening to a song just a few minutes ago with the f-word in it and I thought to myself "This song would be so much better if it didn't have that word." I prefer not to hear that language. I also disagree strongly with using the language around young children. That's why I was so upset when Will Ferrell did a comedy bit a few weeks ago that he put on the internet where he had his 2 year old saying the b-word and other foul language. It takes away the children's innocence to hear such filthy language, much less speak it. His child was saying it in a way that was supposed to degrade and put down others, as well. I believe cussing in that way is inappropriate because you're putting someone down, cursing men with your words. Any words that is meant to degrade someone are wrong, and many times that's what cussing is used for. I don't disagree with the man saying the cuss word in his prayer, but I would simply prefer not to hear it.

[sandie]

Nope. I'm saying that calling something a sin which isn't identified as a sin is what Pharisees do. It is my opinion that most casual uses of the s-word and f-word do not fall into the criteria mentioned in the verse you quoted. Your experience may vary. (BTW, the Greek for "filthy language" in that verse means literally "vile communication"; does the bible say specifically which words are vile?)

Please read the following completely, at least twice, and digest it to really get what I am saying.

Moreover, I have a problem with using cussing as a benchmark for one's Christian walk. Think about it: most people will recognize a co-worker as a Christian if he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss. Because of this, most Americans have come to identify this (and avoidance of other related behaviors) with Christianity.

I think this is a grave error, because it leads the typical professing Christian in a position where he's satisfied with his walk with Christ because he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss.

In reality, when we are walking with Christ as we should, we will exhibit other behaviors, and these behaviors will impact the world around us in a positive way.

When we have an intimate relationship with Christ, we:
--recognize who we are in Christ
--know the Word
--focus on loving the person in front of us
--tell others what Jesus means to us
--give to those in need
--exhibit the Fruit of the Spirit: joy, peace, patience, etc.

Interestingly, the two chapters right before that verse that you posted, Col 1 and 2, describe a list of the behaviors God wants us to exhibit as followers of Him.

These behaviors (and others) are going to have an impact for the Kingdom of God. Satan views these behaviors as problematic, as dangerous. He devises schemes to keep us from engaging in those behaviors. He comes up with diabolical plots and wounds in our lives to keep us from remembering who we are in Christ. He comes up with ways to make is live in fear or anxiety. He devises ways to keep us from spending time in the Word. He wants us to focus on ourselves, instead of that person in front of us. He tries to get us to find excuses not to share our resources, or share the Gospel.

I seriously doubt that he sits around trying to find ways to make us cuss. He knows what actions on our part are dangerous. I want to focus on what's dangerous. When the average American professing Christian is happy that he doesn't drink, smoke, or cuss, then Satan is satisfied, because that Christian has been effectively neutered. He isn't going to impact the world around him for the Kingdom.

This is an excellent post, James. It focuses on loving God and the Fruit of the Spirit, which should flow out and impact our relationships with others.

[Corrine]

Colossians 3:8



I've said a cuss word once or twice in my life and felt horrible about saying it. It's not appropriate for kids to say and it sounds filthy. I feel dirty whenever I hear a cuss word, let alone say one. I believe God has spoken to my heart that cussing does NOT glorify Him.

Are you calling me legalistic and a Pharisee because I don't agree with cussing? Are you serious?

If y'all want to discuss cussing, here is a great thread (http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=95671&highlight=crap) and another one here in the Word forum (http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=97319).

[middletree]

If y'all want to discuss cussing, here is a great thread (http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=95671&highlight=crap) and another one here in the Word forum (http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=97319).

I understand that you want us to stay on topic, Corrine, but I want to point out that I did bring it back to Plont. A big part of his site, and IMO one of the biggest problems with his "ministry" is his focus on the wrong things. He uses the fact that someone cusses as proof that that person is a tool of the devil.

[middletree]

I don't disagree with you. All I'm saying is that whenever I have cussed in my life, which has been very little, I've felt like I had done something horrible and immediately repent for it.

I want to emphasize that I am not encouraging profanity. Please continue to walk in those convictions that God has given you. I am just using that topic to point out one of the many ways that I believe that Plont is in error. He's essentially saying "Look at that Rock Star! He says bad words! He must be a satanist!"

This is very close to what the Pharisees did. "Look at that crazy guy and his 12 followers! They healed on the Sabbath! They made friends with that tax-collector! They aren't walking with God, because their behavior clearly shows that they are agents of Beezelbub!"

[clemsontigers23]

If y'all want to discuss cussing, here is a great thread (http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=95671&highlight=crap) and another one here in the Word forum (http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=97319).

Sorry. When I voiced my distaste over Bono's language I was basically called legalistic and Pharisical so it's hard to ignore that.

[middletree]

Sorry. When I voiced my distaste over Bono's language I was basically called legalistic and Pharisical so it's hard to ignore that.

SIGH

I didn't say you were legalistic or a Pharisee. I didn't say distaste over certain words is an indicator or being legalistic or a Pharisee. I did say that using that as a reason to call someone a tool of the devil is the kind of thing a Pharisee would do. Please don't put words in my mouth. Even clean ones.

[Corrine]

Matthew 18 says that if a brother sins, you should go to him alone and show him his sin. If he doesn't listen, you take two or more witnesses to try to convince him that he is in sin. If he still refuses to listen, then you take the matter to the church. "But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector." (vs 17) Plont is skipping the first three steps and going straight to treating the person he believes to be a sinner like a heathen. He should have come to me personally, especially after I emailed him, and tried to explain to me what he sees as the errors of my ways. But he didn't.

Plont used to be in rock and roll. He says, "I was a lead singer in a band, and worked as a roadie for Metallica." He's seen that world and the sin in it first hand, so he believes that the world of Rock is wholesale evil. By pointing out every little defect he can find, real or implied in anyway, he believes he is saving people from that world. No doubt, satan is hard at work through some secular music, but I know that God can and does use rock music to bring mulititudes to Himself, and to minister to believers. I cannot begin to tell you how many letters and MySpace messages and comments Third Day gets every day telling them that their songs brought them to or back to the Lord, or helped them through a really hard time in their lives. But I don't have to tell you all this.

Many of Plont's targets are evil, and people need to be aware. But I don't believe he should be speaking out against his brothers and sisters in the Lord. You can find something you disagree with about anyone if you dig hard enough. No one is perfect, but if you have to go to a friend of a friend to find that dirt . . . He said my MySpace was three clicks away from hardcore porn. I think you can pretty much say that about any site on the web.

I am concerned with the people that listen to him at the churches he visits. He has two dates coming up:
July 22, Tabernacle of David, COGIC, Lansing, MI - 11:00 am - Sermon #3 "So you Wanna Be a Rockstar"
August 9-10, Greater New Life Christian Church, Manor, TX

I am concerned that people in those churches who hear his messages will think that since he came from the world of rock, everything he's saying must be right. Pray God gives them wisdom to discern the truth, and pray for their children. And again, don't email him. It won't help.

(I know, I said I wasn't going to defend myself. :P )

[clemsontigers23]

SIGH

I didn't say you were legalistic or a Pharisee. I didn't say distaste over certain words is an indicator or being legalistic or a Pharisee. I did say that using that as a reason to call someone a tool of the devil is the kind of thing a Pharisee would do. Please don't put words in my mouth. Even clean ones.

I never called Bono a tool of the devil.

[Corrine]

I know most of you understand the Third Day song Rockstar, but just in case there are others reading this who don't, let’s look at what Rockstar really says. (I tried to explain this to Plont.)

Rockstar
words by Mac Powell / music by Third Day

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

Seeing my face up on the TV
Hearing my songs on the radio
People waiting all day in line to see me
Doing my pose for Rolling Stone

Well, it's alright, yeah it's alright

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

Living lifestyles of the rich and famous
Turning all heads in the music scene
Flying in my own jet plane to Vegas
Riding in a big black limousine

Well, it's alright, yeah it's alright

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

No, I ain't got nothing
But, to You I'm something
Something so much more

Well, it's alright, yeah it's alright

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

When Plont talks about this song, he stops abruptly at "No I ain't got nothin'". He says, "No, I ain't got nothing" Nothing? Nothing? What? Are you kidding me? Nothing? I don't know about them, but I have everything!!! I have JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD.

- Are you hearing me? What is up with that? Do you know what I wanted to be a rock star too? I was a lead singer in a band, and worked as a roadie for Metallica. I wanted to be a rockstar, But you know what. I GOT SAVED. I BECAME A NEW CREATION IN JESUS CHRIST AND I NO LONGER WANTED TO BE A ROCKSTAR! Do I need to go farther? No, but I will!

WHAT DO THIRD DAY'S APOLOGISTS SAY?

- The Third Day converts (their fans) will point out that Third Day also sings "But, to you I'm something, Something so much more." They (Third Day) are supposedly saying they mean so much more in the eyes of God, and with that I agree, but the overwhelming statement of the song is "I wanna be a rock star." If you placed a billboard in your town that had two naked people on it, and then also wrote in small letters "Jesus Saves", what do you think would be noticed? Sure it says Jesus Saves, but, will anyone see it? Sure the song says their "Something so much more" quote, but then it immediately returns to "I wanna be a rock star." As we travel the U.S., we find that very few young people get the "hidden" message.


There's no hidden message in the song. The "I" in the song is not Third Day talking about themselves, it's the fan singing. The song talks about every kids' desire to be a rockstar or some other kind of celebrity. It is about the kid who just doesn't feel he/she measures up or is special or important to people. The part in red is the singer talking to God saying, "I'm nothing without You, but to You, God, I'm something that is so much more important than the attention I crave from people. To You, God, I'm Your beloved child!" It's the person realizing that they don't have to be a rockstar to be special, because God loves them. I'd say that's a pretty strong statement to today's youth about what's really important in this life. Third Day has so many young people looking up to them just because they play in a band. They want the kids to look to God for their identity, and their importance in life, not to celebrities. They are telling them that being a rockstar is just a job, but they, the kids, are something so much more than a rockstar in God’s eyes. They are the beloved child of the Most High God, the Creator of the Universe!

Rockstar is also a fun song, making fun of the superficial lifestyle that we see when we think of rockstars or celebrities. This song is not Third Day singing about their desires to be like that. :rolleyes:

[Corrine]

I understand that you want us to stay on topic, Corrine, but I want to point out that I did bring it back to Plont. A big part of his site, and IMO one of the biggest problems with his "ministry" is his focus on the wrong things. He uses the fact that someone cusses as proof that that person is a tool of the devil.

Point taken.

[Corrine]

I never called Bono a tool of the devil.

James is saying that Plont did that, not you.

[clemsontigers23]

I know most of you understand the Third Day song Rockstar, but just in case there are others reading this who don't, let’s look at what Rockstar really says. (I tried to explain this to Plont, but of course he won't hear.)

Rockstar
words by Mac Powell / music by Third Day

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

Seeing my face up on the TV
Hearing my songs on the radio
People waiting all day in line to see me
Doing my pose for Rolling Stone

Well, it's alright, yeah it's alright

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

Living lifestyles of the rich and famous
Turning all heads in the music scene
Flying in my own jet plane to Vegas
Riding in a big black limousine

Well, it's alright, yeah it's alright

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

No, I ain't got nothing
But, to You I'm something
Something so much more

Well, it's alright, yeah it's alright

I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes
The drive and the determination
And the lucky breaks
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got the face
I wanna be a rock star
But, I ain't got what it takes

When Plont talks about this song, he stops abruptly at "No I ain't got nothin'". He rants,


There's no hidden message in the song. The "I" in the song is not Third Day talking about themselves, it's the fan singing. The song talks about every kids' desire to be a rockstar or some other kind of celebrity. It is about the kid who just doesn't feel he/she measures up or is special or important to people. The part in red is the singer talking to God saying, "I'm nothing without You, but to You, God, I'm something that is so much more important than the attention I crave from people. To You, God, I'm Your beloved child!" It's the person realizing that they don't have to be a rockstar to be special, because God loves them. I'd say that's a pretty strong statement to today's youth about what's really important in this life. Third Day has so many young people looking up to them just because they play in a band. They want the kids to look to God for their identity, and their importance in life, not to celebrities. They are telling them that being a rockstar is just a job, but they, the kids, are something so much more than a rockstar in God’s eyes. They are the beloved child of the Most High God, the Creator of the Universe!

Rockstar is also a fun song, making fun of the superficial lifestyle that we see when we think of rockstars or celebrities. This song is not Third Day singing about their desires to be like that. :rolleyes:


That is interesting that he abruptly stops at that point. Apparently he's willing to twist the words of others to fit his own agenda. I hope he's not trying to sell DVDs with these sermons...if he is, then I have to wonder what his intentions really are. Interesting he worked as a roadie for Metallica...the only examples he provides are two songs. I can easily explain why neither one is satanic because I've been a Metallica fan by whole life. For one, James Hetfield is a Christian. Yes, Metallica used to do some really horrible things back in the day but they've cleaned up their act. Yes, one member is a buddhist but that doesn't mean they preach buddhist ideals in their songs.

The God That Failed - Metallica (black)
Pride you took
Pride you feel
Pride that you felt when you'd kneel

Not the word
Not the love
Not what you thought from above

It feeds
It grows
It clouds all that you will know
Deceit
Deceive Decide just what you believe

I see faith in your eyes
Never your hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

Follow the god that failed

Find your peace
Find your say
Find the smooth road in your way

Trust you gave
A child to save
Left you cold and him in grave

It feeds
It grows
It clouds all that you will know
Deceit
Deceive
Decide just what you believe

I see faith in your eyes
Never you hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

Follow the god that failed

I see faith in your eyes
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

Follow the god that failed

Pride you took
Pride you feel
Pride that you felt when you'd kneel

Trust you gave
A child to save
Left you cold and him in grave

I see faith in your eyes
Never you hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by deepened nail

Follow the god that failed

The "god" James is talking about here is his parents were Christian Scientologists, or something along those lines. I'm not sure what the name of their religion was but they believed they shouldn't see doctors for anything and that they should never take medicine or anything like that. When James's mom got cancer, they refused to get help for her because of their religion. The "god" James is singing about is their beliefs that you shouldn't see a doctor and that you shouldn't receive medical treatment whenever you get sick. It upset James because he had lost his mom because of their beliefs.

Leper Messiah
Spineless from the start, sucked into the part
circus comes to town, you play the lead clown
Please, please
spreading his disease, living by his story
Knees, knees
falling to your knees, suffer for his glory
You will

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah

Marvel at his tricks, need your Sunday fix
blind devotion came, rotting your brain
Chain, chain
Join the endless chain
Taken by his glamour
Fame, Fame
Infection is the game, stinking drunk with power
We see

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah

Bow to Leper Messiah
Witchery, weakening
Sees the sheep are gathering
set the trap, hypnotize
now you follow

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Spineless from the start, sucked into the part
circus comes to town, you play the lead clown
Please, please
spreading his disease, living by his story
Knees, knees
falling to your knees, suffer for his glory
You will

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah

Marvel at his tricks, need your Sunday fix
blind devotion came, rotting your brain
Chain, chain
Join the endless chain
Taken by his glamour
Fame, Fame
Infection is the game, stinking drunk with power
We see

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah

Bow to Leper Messiah
Witchery, weakening
Sees the sheep are gathering
set the trap, hypnotize
now you follow

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you'll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah

Lie.

This song talks about certain religious leaders who are only interested in making a buck and the fact that they sometimes use "healing" in order to trick people into paying them and giving them money. While there are some who certainly possess the gifts of healing, there are others who exploit people who need healing for their own financial gain. It's basically a criticism of those preachers who seem to only be interested in money. It's not a knock on Christianity, as Plont makes it out to be. The fact that he doesn't even bother to explain the songs shows how weak his argument is.

Metallica is not satanic...far from it. I've heard of Christians using Metallica songs as preaching tools, including a preacher who used the "...And Justice for All" album to preach about God's justice and how sometimes man's justice can fail. Here is a link to a story describing one such man: http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/news/story/12482657p-13338486c.html

Obviously, Plont's argument on many bands fail. I agree with him on some, but I've also seen much better articles about those bands which I agree with Plont on.

[middletree]

I never called Bono a tool of the devil.

Wow.

[rossid]

The devil is a tool of Bono's. :P

[clemsontigers23]

Wow.

Wow? What do you mean wow? Go back and look at my posts. I never said it.

[danbos]

:)

I never called Bono a tool of the devil.

James is saying that Plont did that, not you.

[clemsontigers23]

dan, I realize that, but I'm trying to figure out what middletree means by 'Wow.' Pretty vague, don't you agree? ;)

[danbos]

dan, I realize that, but I'm trying to figure out what middletree means by 'Wow.' Pretty vague, don't you agree? ;)

Okay, I just thought you might've missed Corrine's post, because it was at the bottom of the page.

[Dan!]

This will be the one and only time I post about the Mike Plont issue. I have ignored the issue as the rantings of a well intentioned but misguided individual, but when he brought Corrine into his agenda, he went too far. I am outraged. But mostly I am disturbed at what goes on in the Christian community.

I more than anyone know Corrine's heart when it comes to her love for Christ and her passion for the boards. Thank all of you for your prayers and support for her. But I also would ask you to continue to pray for Mr. Plont and mostly for the individuals that will hear his message wherever he preaches. Pray that they have an open and discerning heart.

What mostly bothers me is the fact that his misrepresentation of facts will affect uninformed Christians. I feel that an important part of being a Christian is to be as informed as possible, but sadly, many Christians are too quick to believe so-called experts, which is what Mr. Plont claims to be. I won't rehash the facts he distorts. You all know what they are. It is hugely disturbing when men like him hide behind the Gospel to impart an agena. Cults start that way (no, I am not claiming that is his plan).

I have known Christ for more nearly 40 years, and what I see that hurts the Christian cause more than anything is the infighting that happens inside the church. All it does is cause the world to point at us wonder why they want to be a part of that.

I know that Mr. Plont reads these posts, and I truly pray that he realizes what his responsibility as a Christian really is.

[Andi]

You are absolutely right Dan.

Thanks for your post.

Andi

[middletree]

dan, I realize that, but I'm trying to figure out what middletree means by 'Wow.' Pretty vague, don't you agree? ;)
I'm dumbfounded. I have no idea why you said that. I specifically said drew a parallel between Plont's accusations and the way the Pharisees made accusations. I said that I didn't think you were being legalistic, but Plont was. I have no idea why you responded by telling me that you never called anyone a tool of the devil.

[SmileyFreak1981]

For one, James Hetfield is a Christian.
Every interview I've seen with him regarding his upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness, and the situation with his mother, indicates to me more than anything he is very anti-religion. I haven't seen anything confirming or denying whether or not he is a Christian, so I will lean on the side of caution and say that his religious persuasion is unconfirmed, as far as I know...unless you can point me to an interview somewhere.

[Godgrl Gomer]

This will be the one and only time I post about the Mike Plont issue. I have ignored the issue as the rantings of a well intentioned but misguided individual, but when he brought Corrine into his agenda, he went too far. I am outraged. But mostly I am disturbed at what goes on in the Christian community.

I more than anyone know Corrine's heart when it comes to her love for Christ and her passion for the boards. Thank all of you for your prayers and support for her. But I also would ask you to continue to pray for Mr. Plont and mostly for the individuals that will hear his message wherever he preaches. Pray that they have an open and discerning heart.

What mostly bothers me is the fact that his misrepresentation of facts will affect uninformed Christians. I feel that an important part of being a Christian is to be as informed as possible, but sadly, many Christians are too quick to believe so-called experts, which is what Mr. Plont claims to be. I won't rehash the facts he distorts. You all know what they are. It is hugely disturbing when men like him hide behind the Gospel to impart an agena. Cults start that way (no, I am not claiming that is his plan).

I have known Christ for more nearly 40 years, and what I see that hurts the Christian cause more than anything is the infighting that happens inside the church. All it does is cause the world to point at us wonder why they want to be a part of that.

I know that Mr. Plont reads these posts, and I truly pray that he realizes what his responsibility as a Christian really is.

*hi 5 Dan!*
Now that is the heart of a Christian and I am proud of both you and Corrine.
Accusations have been stated against the Band and our friend Corrine. We know they are false. Even if we were given the opportunity to rebut I doubt that the accusers will have ears to hear, at the moment.
Also know that God sees all things and no injustice goes unseen. Furthermore, those with Godly Character, like our sweet Corrine will shine bright for all to see. God will not let her be tainted.
Pray for the accusers. Do not pray curses but blessings. Pray that the Lord softens their hearts and that the Holy Spirit is able to be heard and to plant seeds of blessings in their lives.
In so doing thank Jesus that there is a purpose in all of this and pray that God may be glorified.
Love you Corrine!

[clemsontigers23]

I'm dumbfounded. I have no idea why you said that. I specifically said drew a parallel between Plont's accusations and the way the Pharisees made accusations. I said that I didn't think you were being legalistic, but Plont was. I have no idea why you responded by telling me that you never called anyone a tool of the devil.

It was after I saw where Corrine said you were referring to Plont. Sorry.

Every interview I've seen with him regarding his upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness, and the situation with his mother, indicates to me more than anything he is very anti-religion. I haven't seen anything confirming or denying whether or not he is a Christian, so I will lean on the side of caution and say that his religious persuasion is unconfirmed, as far as I know...unless you can point me to an interview somewhere.

No, he was brought up in a very strict Christian Science household and did rebel against it for awhile, but I've read he's now a fairly devout Catholic. I don't know, I don't have any way of confirming either way, but they are not satanic. I think everyone knows my stance on the Catholic faith, but I can assure you Metallica does not worship satan and doesn't speak out against Christianity.

[RevZeek]

It is sad how misguided some individuals are.

Corrine: Please know that you are loved and appreciated. The sacrifices you continually make have not gone unnoticed. I for one am eternally thankful for the Gomers. Simply the concept that God has redeemed me at my lowest point. That I deserved rejection, punishment, death. But at that very moment, God accepted me and showed me nothing but love. Thank you for reminding us of that.
Love you Mama Gomer!
-Z

[sandie]

Wendy posted a great interview that David Carr did. It shows where the hearts of the men of Third Day lie, and it isn't in being famous "rockstars." It's a pity that Mike Plont probably won't read it.

http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1680208# post1680208

[ausgirl]

I am coming in late on this - don't know how I missed it for so long but.....
Firstly I am offended by this man who seems to think it is his right and priveledge to make assumptions about me and my friends the gomers!! He knows nothing about me - what my beliefs are or anything about my faith!
Secondly - I agree, anyone who passes strong opinion and does not allow for rebuttle - well enough said.
Thirdly - While he may have some points with the quotes he uses, as we see by the quote he uses on Rockstar - ie not completing the lyrics properly, I do believe he is probably taking alot of these statements out of context.

And finally, re Rockstar, well, we all know that it is Mac saying while we all strive for greatness, without God, we can't do any of it.

[danbos]

This will be the one and only time I post about the Mike Plont issue. I have ignored the issue as the rantings of a well intentioned but misguided individual, but when he brought Corrine into his agenda, he went too far. I am outraged. But mostly I am disturbed at what goes on in the Christian community.

I more than anyone know Corrine's heart when it comes to her love for Christ and her passion for the boards. Thank all of you for your prayers and support for her. But I also would ask you to continue to pray for Mr. Plont and mostly for the individuals that will hear his message wherever he preaches. Pray that they have an open and discerning heart.

What mostly bothers me is the fact that his misrepresentation of facts will affect uninformed Christians. I feel that an important part of being a Christian is to be as informed as possible, but sadly, many Christians are too quick to believe so-called experts, which is what Mr. Plont claims to be. I won't rehash the facts he distorts. You all know what they are. It is hugely disturbing when men like him hide behind the Gospel to impart an agena. Cults start that way (no, I am not claiming that is his plan).

I have known Christ for more nearly 40 years, and what I see that hurts the Christian cause more than anything is the infighting that happens inside the church. All it does is cause the world to point at us wonder why they want to be a part of that.

I know that Mr. Plont reads these posts, and I truly pray that he realizes what his responsibility as a Christian really is.

Great post.