New Documentary on UFOs W/Credible witnesses...

[Evanescence]

This may be of interest to some of you....

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/documentary-sparks-debate-over-ufos/20070707125209990002?ncid =NWS00010000000001

So, now the tough questions....

1. Without God telling us in the Bible, could he have created other civilizations or beings?

2. Do you feel we are alone in this vast universe?

3. Can so many of the sightings and material evidence be discounted as hoaxes? This even with credible people?

4. How about reports that date back centuries and are documented in ancient art and scrolls?

Here's the article:

(July 6) -- It's an age-old question: Are we alone in the universe?

As the documentary "Out of the Blue" rightly points out, brilliant and reputable scientists believe that the conditions for intelligent life exist on thousands of planets. But then there's that other question that separates the scientists from the believers, the witnesses from the skeptics - if aliens are out there, have they come to visit?

James Fox, the producer of "Out of the Blue," says that aliens are out there. "They're flying around. They're here and they've been here."

He also believes that they have incredible technical ability, saying that they can "fly rings around our fastest jets. Yes. That's what I've been told. They can literally almost disappear in place."

"Out of the Blue" is an attempt to weed out the wackos and present credible witnesses who say they saw what looked like alien spacecraft. Witnesses like former President Carter, who said, "I saw one, but I don't know where. It just disappeared." And Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper, who says he saw "this typical saucer shape, double-cylindrical shape, metallic."

Flying Saucers
"I looked up and all of a sudden there was this, you know, I got to say it, flying saucer," said Sean Thackery, from Marin, Calif., one of the eyewitnesses in the film.

"You've got this phenomenon taking place that's never been properly explained," said Fox. "You know, people -- people wanna know."

The subject of UFOs is one of those things that never gets a satisfactory answer, and never quite seems to go away. Now, 60 years after the reported crash of a UFO in Roswell, N.M., and with the French government releasing its UFO archives, there are new efforts to prove alien spacecrafts really exist.

The documentary begins with an odd, but in a way undeniable, incident that occurred in Phoenix in March 1997, known as the "Phoenix Lights."

Hundreds and possibly thousands of people, many of them looking at the Hale-Bopp comet, reported seeing an array of lights and an enormous delta-shaped craft. The first report of a strange flying object came about 8:20 p.m. from a former police officer in Paulden, Ariz. Over the next 40 minutes, people gave similar reports of an object along a 20-mile route south to Phoenix and Tempe.

"It's coming across the sky," said witness Tim Ley of Phoenix, "and as it's moving, it's blocking and unblocking the stars. There was actually a shape."

"It passed right in front of us. It was just about right above eye length," said Mike Fortson. "My estimate of the size of the craft from the nose as it passed us where we lived to the end of the left wing that passed in front of us was over 5,000 foot long."

There was such an uproar about what people described seeing that ABC News did a story about it back in 1997. At the time, then Arizona Gov. Fife Symington called a news conference, spoofing the whole thing by bringing an "alien" into the room.

'I Know What I Saw'
What Symington did not say then was that he also had seen the object over Phoenix. But in "Out of the Blue," he says that "we all experienced a very exciting sighting of some kind of a craft of unknown origin. Nobody's ever been able to explain it. & Most of us feel that it was definitely, you know, of alien origin. Enormous. Inexplicable."

Symington is an Air Force veteran, and a pilot. When asked whether he was worried about speaking out, he said, "I know what I saw and what I believe and I'm not afraid to say it publicly. & I'm, I'm really not concerned about somebody's opinion about that, frankly."

Among other claims, Fox focuses on a 1980 report of UFO sightings at an American air force base in England  the so-called "Bentwaters" incident. Three former Air Force security officers told Fox about actually touching a small, strange craft that landed outside the base.

"There's no doubt about it, there's some type of strange, flashing red lighting ahead," said Lt. Colonel Halt in the documentary. "The closer we got, the more the white light dissipated, but what appeared was a triangular craft. When we approached it, it was, I'd say it measured probably about nine feet long, maybe six feet high."

Sgt. Jim Penniston made drawings of what appeared to be symbolic drawings that, he said, were on the skin of the craft.

'That's Not How Science Works'
But when it comes to UFOs, there are plenty of skeptics. One man who makes his living as a professional skeptic is, well, skeptical.

Michael Shermer, the editor of Skeptic Magazine, says, "The parade of astronauts or police officers or politicians like Jimmy Carter -- it's irrelevant. Because they're human and they're brains and nervous systems and sensory apparatus are structured just like the average Joes."

Shermer spends a lot of time with reports of UFOs and space aliens, and has this to say about the documentary: "Um, the facts are true. The, uh, the story is well told and well produced. But that's not how science works. In science we have to have some way of testing to get an answer. It's this or this. And we have to have some way of weighing the evidence. And short of an actual experiment to run you have to have debate."

UFO sightings, even the most interesting ones, tend to share similar characteristics. There are no pictures, or the pictures are blurry. Or maybe there are pictures, but they disappeared into government archives never to be seen again.

That's what the late astronaut Gordon Cooper said, but the documentary says that, "Not every government chooses to deny the existence of UFOs. Since the fall of communism in 1989, information surrounding the subject has become much more accessible in Russia."

Cosmonaut Pavel Popovich was one of Russia's earliest cosmonauts. He joins the ranks of an increasing number of military personnel who have testified as to the validity of the UFO phenomena.

A Leap of Explanation
The documentary ends by saying that, "The discovery that we are being visited by extraterrestrials would be one of the greatest in human history. Such a discovery would profoundly alter the perception of ourselves and our place in the universe."

But Shermer remains unconvinced. "You can't discount the fact, unfortunately, that people lie & or they misperceive and then tell the story incorrectly or exaggerate. Everybody knows about the human foibles of deception and self-deception and exaggeration. We all do it. So unfortunately we can't just, we can't always count [on] eyewitness accounts being reliable."

Shermer says the problem comes in a kind of leap of faith -- with UFOs it's a leap of explanation.

"In science it's OK to just say, 'Let's just withhold judgment for now and do more research. We don't have to commit to some big, grand theory of aliens visiting us. Let's just say we don't know what it is.' But we have to follow the standards of evidence in science that we apply everywhere else. In no other science would anybody accept just a few random anecdotal stories and grainy videos and blurry photographs."

"The question itself I think is legitimate," he said. "It's interesting, it's fascinating. It's mythic in scale and one of the grand questions. It's like the God question or, you know, the meaning-of-life question. It's one of those, on that scale. So you'd have to be made of wood not to be interested and, you know, have they come here? Are they up there?"


So??????????????????????? ?????????????

[ausgirl]

Well, I don't know biblically. But personally, I've often contemplated the reason God made the universe and all of those gazillion stars and planets. Maybe they are just to look pretty, maybe they are for other beings, maybe there's another whole human race living somewhere out there - I don't know, but it's nice thinking about it!

[River]

So, now the tough questions....

1. Without God telling us in the Bible, could he have created other civilizations or beings?

2. Do you feel we are alone in this vast universe?

3. Can so many of the sightings and material evidence be discounted as hoaxes? This even with credible people?

4. How about reports that date back centuries and are documented in ancient art and scrolls?



1. Could He? Yes. Did He? Doubtful.

2. No, God is here and a vast number of Angels are also.

3. Nope. Some are certain to be governmental experiments that are supposed to be secret.

4. Like what?

[Jason]

I live in Phoenix. The "Phoenix Lights" were most likely long-burning flares dropped by an A-10 Warthog aircraft during a training exercise.

[Pouye]

There is a difference from believing UFO/Extraterrestrial stories and believing in the possibility of other life forms in this vast universe. This is the same as believing that Bigfoot exists/existed and believing that there might possibly be some large life forms on earth that we have missed. Recently there was a discovery of a new kind of deer that has strange nostrils in Vietnam, and a new monkey in Brazil. In fact, scientists are discovering roughly 13,000 new species of life a year!:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-55183060.html

There could very well be planets in the universe inhabited by a vast array of life forms, including highly intelligent life. I have no problem believing this. What I have a problem with is believing a lot of the stories I hear about UFO's, little green men, and other stuff. UFO sightings and stories of aliens go up dramatically every time movie comes out about this sort of thing.

There is no question that there are UFO's. There have been many unidentified flying objects. But do they come from outer space? I don't know, and I'm not jumping to conclusions about it, either. Some people have said that there have been aliens discovered by governments, and they are covering it up. I doubt it, simply because I've never seen one, and nobody has ever shown to come up with one, either (alive or dead). Wanting badly to believe something and so jumping at stories of others who supposedly saw or experienced them isn't convincing to me at all.

The most likely explanations for many of these things are not often considered. This is because people do not like to believe in the most likely. In fact, people often will buy into the far-fetched rather than the most likely -- it is just simply a flaw in human nature. We have imaginations that run wild if we let them -- tugging us into all sorts of strange ideas. Millions of people all over the world believe in ghosts, goblins, leprechauns, dragons, aliens, Big Foot, Nessy, Yeti, fairies, etc.

Rock

[Evanescence]

Man, no one used the lame excuse that they're demons?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[EmmoGomer]

My Mum always used to say to me when I asked about aliens when I was little - 'Jesus would have to go and die for them as well.' I like that answer, and for me it works. Unless Jesus went to all these different civilisations on different planets, these poor aliens wouldn't know of salvation. It may be a bit simplistic for the more intellectual gomers out there....but, as I said - it works for me :D

[RevZeek]

My Mum always used to say to me when I asked about aliens when I was little - 'Jesus would have to go and die for them as well.' I like that answer, and for me it works. Unless Jesus went to all these different civilisations on different planets, these poor aliens wouldn't know of salvation. It may be a bit simplistic for the more intellectual gomers out there....but, as I said - it works for me :D

My mother used to say something similar to me. As I've gotten older I wonder, how many other worlds did God create that DIDN'T experience a fall? Are there other planets that are still living in their version of Eden? That's something that has always fascinated me.

Man, no one used the lame excuse that they're demons?

Just for you my friend...

THEY'RE DEMONS!!! :P
(I almost feel like Bobby Bouchet's mama from Waterboy..."Don't talk to girls Bobby, they're the DEVIL!" :D

[freakysoccer]

1. Without God telling us in the Bible, could he have created other civilizations or beings? yes, of coarse. As amazing as God is, why couldn't he, why would he just create us???????????

2. Do you feel we are alone in this vast universe? No, I think that out there somewhere there is some kind of life whether it may be some kind of plant life or a whole other race of creatures.

3. Can so many of the sightings and material evidence be discounted as hoaxes? This even with credible people? Some can be considered hoaxes but with the thosands of sightings around the world how can they all be faked.

4. How about reports that date back centuries and are documented in ancient art and scrolls? I think that they were things in the sky that people of that time couldn't explain, some were shooting stars and such but some i believe were possibly UFO's.


I believe in the possiblity of anything, i mean the bible says that all things are possible through God so why not be open minded to the idea of other life forms. This topic brings up other questions to ponder;

What about bigfoot, nessie, the tasmanian tiger, the dinosaur in the congo, the type of apes in africa that are like chimps but much larger, what about the jersey devil, mothman, and chupacabra seen in many parts of the world????????? What do ya think???????????????

[Parrot1965]

We'll all find out someday whether there is extraterrestrial life in the universe. But it's interesting to note that the secular world seems so ready and willing to accept Bigfoot and Aliens (from outer space), but not Jesus and/or a Creator God.

[kiwisongbird]

Why is it lame to say they might be demons or angels? They might be.

Oops, now I can't walk, I've gone lame!!! :D :P ;)

[Evanescence]

I posted the link to the ancient art...its very detailed and damaging to scoffers. How could someone concoct a hoax or mis-understand something that wasn't even invented yet. The mentality of a flying machine in the year 1500 didn't exist. If they saw a flying machine...or even a moving light, it wasn't a plane. It was soemthing else. Like? Hmmm...I wonder what.

As for demons? Demons don't burn 10'' round holes, 4 feet deep in the ground and leave traces of radiation...this among dozens of other material and physical evidence that happens so, so often with sightings.

People do like to create hoaxes, but I just can't see how so many people can be wrong. People pass lie detector tests regarding UFO sightings AND abductions, often with flying colors. No joke intended.

Credible people have life changing experiences from UFO sightings...that is another thing to keep in mind.

God and angels living among us? Ummmm....yeah, thats a given if you're a Christian. But, a civilized world and/or worlds with intelligent beings living and traveling? Thats the big question.

The bigger question is, if so, how does it play into the Bible and God?

They estimate there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of planets in our universe that could sustain intelligent life. These numbers are of the most conservative amount.

Intergalactic travel? Thats another issue....how would they do it?

[Evanescence]

Ancient art w/ufo's....simple Google search

http://www.ufoartwork.com/

There's another I can't find....I will look.

[luvmyrottie]

I believe in UFO's. I also believe in my ancestor's legands of the Little People. I'm sure that there is some logical explanation somewhere. But I don't have to know what it is or why. I just know that they exist.

[New guy]

Why is it lame to say they might be demons or angels? They might be.

Lame or not, they really may be demons. There is some compelling biblical evidence that alien encounters may actually be demonic in nature/origin:

http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/nephilim/

[River]

Ancient art w/ufo's....simple Google search

http://www.ufoartwork.com/

There's another I can't find....I will look.

The majority of those "aliens" look human. Like astronauts even. I'd be more inclined to believe that sometime in the future we develop time travel and go back in time to explore judging from those pictures.

If I were going to believe in such nonsense anyway.

[Evanescence]

Lame or not, they really may be demons. There is some compelling biblical evidence that alien encounters may actually be demonic in nature/origin:

http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/nephilim/

Interesting! This guy has done his homework, however many of these scriptures he quotes are very vague in nature, thus a spin in his favor is favorable.

Then there's the verse about the star moving to show the 3 wise men where to find Jesus. The wheel within a wheel? Christ coming back for us from the sky?

So many questions and so little answers...

[CAfan]

Evanescence, Here's the deal with UFO's. Some probably are government test crafts of some type. Some are hoaxes. The rest are DEMONS. :eek:

The bible is clear that demons do exist and are in the atmosphere. Demons can manefest in many ways, even as an angel of light. Why would demons want to pass themselves off as aliens, you ask???
For the same reason they pass themselves off as Ghosts or spirits of the dearly departed. :eek:
To create doubt about the validity of the Word of God. If we believe in life on other planets then we at some point are going to start doubting the bible. If we believe that when we die we will not go to heaven or hell but will instead walk around haunting people or places then we doubt the Word of God. It is really that simple.

The problem is that the Churches today are too caught up in having huge buildings with thousands of members so they don't address issues like demons. :mad: But you know what? Jesus talked about demons almost constantly. He also cast them out of people almost constantly. And he told us to do the same thing!!!!!! :D How many christians have ever performed even one excorcism?? Very few. I personally have excorcised 7 demons with the help of other believers who were intercessing in prayer. My mother cast a demon out of someone too. I am not saying that to lift myself up I am simply making a point that they are real in the day and age we live in. Trust me if you are involved in an excorcism you will NEVER see the world the same after that! :eek:

My point is this (now that I've totally freaked you out), Demons and casting out demons are mentioned many, many, many times in scripture and believers are supposed to be doing it. But basically nobody is and the lukewarm church is afraid of the whole issue. Trust me, the increase of UFO sightings is real but it is not alien beings flying around in neat little space ships..... IT IS DEMONIC ACTIVITY and I believe a sign of the last days.

[Evanescence]

Evanescence, Here's the deal with UFO's. Some probably are government test crafts of some type. Some are hoaxes. The rest are DEMONS. :eek:

The bible is clear that demons do exist and are in the atmosphere. Demons can manefest in many ways, even as an angel of light. Why would demons want to pass themselves off as aliens, you ask???
For the same reason they pass themselves off as Ghosts or spirits of the dearly departed. :eek:
To create doubt about the validity of the Word of God. If we believe in life on other planets then we at some point are going to start doubting the bible. If we believe that when we die we will not go to heaven or hell but will instead walk around haunting people or places then we doubt the Word of God. It is really that simple.

The problem is that the Churches today are too caught up in having huge buildings with thousands of members so they don't address issues like demons. :mad: But you know what? Jesus talked about demons almost constantly. He also cast them out of people almost constantly. And he told us to do the same thing!!!!!! :D How many christians have ever performed even one excorcism?? Very few. I personally have excorcised 7 demons with the help of other believers who were intercessing in prayer. My mother cast a demon out of someone too. I am not saying that to lift myself up I am simply making a point that they are real in the day and age we live in. Trust me if you are involved in an excorcism you will NEVER see the world the same after that! :eek:

My point is this (now that I've totally freaked you out), Demons and casting out demons are mentioned many, many, many times in scripture and believers are supposed to be doing it. But basically nobody is and the lukewarm church is afraid of the whole issue. Trust me, the increase of UFO sightings is real but it is not alien beings flying around in neat little space ships..... IT IS DEMONIC ACTIVITY and I believe a sign of the last days.

I think you have demons between your ears....

Your logic and abuse of the scripture is laughable and disturbing...

THAT'S in the New Testament....

[River]

I think you have demons between your ears....

Your logic and abuse of the scripture is laughable and disturbing...



Demons... laughable, but aliens... perfectly logical? :confused:

[CAfan]

What bible are the two of you reading?? Demons are mentioned many, many, many times. Ever hear of the great commission????? What did Jesus say???
He gave power to ALL believers to cast out DEMONS in HIS NAME!!! That's part of the great commission just like preaching the gospel is.

Ask your pastors to do you a favor and start telling you the whole truth instead of just the warm fuzzies.

[Evanescence]

What bible are the two of you reading?? Demons are mentioned many, many, many times. Ever hear of the great commission????? What did Jesus say???
He gave power to ALL believers to cast out DEMONS in HIS NAME!!! That's part of the great commission just like preaching the gospel is.

Ask your pastors to do you a favor and start telling you the whole truth instead of just the warm fuzzies.

The same Bible your spinning for your agenda.

While I don't pretend to NOT believe in demons...and in some cases they may be UFO related and/or tricks of some sort, I don't believe for a minute that every single UFO encounter is a demon.

You say that the devil and his demons are trying to trick us so we don't believe in God? How about this spin: The proof of other worlds and intelligent, viable life....other intelligent beings....PROVES the existance of God, creation and that none of this was an accident. Ghosts and spirits? Proof of the spirit world and the afterlife.

You see, my young friend. We only do what we're taught. I was taught by my Lord and savior Jesus Christ, to use my brain and seek the truth. To search for wisdom and look at all options, possibilities and keep an open mind. This as was taught in the NT. We are to be wise warriors for the truth, not blind ambassadors for closemindedness and negative, paranoid thoughts.

So, I wonder where you were taught?

[River]

I was taught by my Lord and savior Jesus Christ, to use my brain and seek the truth. To search for wisdom and look at all options, possibilities and keep an open mind.

Were you doing that when you dismissed the demon idea?

[Evanescence]

Were you doing that when you dismissed the demon idea?

I jokingly dismissed it but see my above reply. However, I won't say they ALL are....

I believe there is a very real possibility of other worlds similar to ours....and that we ARE being visited by intelligent beings. The evidence is overwhelming and has been for centuries. I refuse to believe that demons are flying around or mutilating cattle in far off regions or burning 10'' holes 4 feet deep in the ground. I just refuse to believe that demons are doing this.

We give too much credit tot he devil and his demons...and not enough to God.

[River]

I jokingly dismissed it but see my above reply.

"Your logic and abuse of the scripture is laughable and disturbing..."
was a joke?? :eek:

I believe there is a very real possibility of other worlds similar to ours....and that we ARE being visited by intelligent beings. The evidence is overwhelming and has been for centuries.

All of that evidence points that it Could be demons also though. And since we Know that demons exist, it should at least be given fair thought before jumping to aliens.

I refuse to believe that demons are flying around or mutilating cattle in far off regions or burning 10'' holes 4 feet deep in the ground. I just refuse to believe that demons are doing this.


That's not keeping an "open mind" like you say you do.

We give too much credit tot he devil and his demons...and not enough to God.

I agree... but which would be more dangerous, assuming that the "aliens" might be demons, or assuming that the demons might be peaceful aliens?

[Evanescence]

I agree... but which would be more dangerous, assuming that the "aliens" might be demons, or assuming that the demons might be peaceful aliens?


How about, "We're not alone",...then find out exactly what that means and tie it in with God. Be open to the idea that god has created other people and worlds but has kept it from us, for whatever reason...

Remember, people once thought man could never fly, go to space, travel underwater and dozens of other things we have today. That mentality was just a few years ago....

[River]

How about, "We're not alone",...then find out exactly what that means and tie it in with God. Be open to the idea that god has created other people and worlds but has kept it from us, for whatever reason...

Remember, people once thought man could never fly, go to space, travel underwater and dozens of other things we have today. That mentality was just a few years ago....

Why are you so hopeful for aliens?

[CAfan]

Evanescence, What planet are you from??????????????? Maybe that's why you want to believe in aliens so bad.

Go back and read what I said............ Now that you've done that can you see how bad you lie and spin like the liberal you are??

I said that some UFO's are military craft, some are hoaxes and the rest are demons. You just said that I said that they are all demons. You are a LIAR. It is that simple.

Furthermore, demons are mentioned over and over and over and over and over in scripture. Got it? ET and space aliens are not. Not even once. Get it? Is it really that hard to understand?

Go back and read the great commission. Ok now that you've done that, didn't Jesus say he gave power to believers over demons to cast them out?????

That is for today just as it was then. Why do you think there is so much murder, child molestation, rape, terrorism, etc in the world???? It is because of demon possession. Just go read the gospels and the book of acts and make a list of all the times demons are mentioned. Demon activity will increase in the last days which is what we are in. I'm not trying to be a jerk but I really think you are just here trying to create doubt about what is true. All of your posts do this!!

Just because Joel Olsteen and Rick Warren NEVER mention demons (or holy living for that matter) doesn't mean we should forget them. The Bible is clear about the importance of fighting against demons in the name of Jesus but many "on the ball" modern preachers address this issue also. Ever hear of John Hagey, Benny Hinn, Bob Larson, John Bevere??? All have cast out demons and speak about it. So have I and so have many other believers. Bob Larson has cast out over 10,000 demons in his lifetime. Now considering Jesus cast out several thousand at one time (Legion) I guess that is believable.

If you think calling me a radical hurt my feelings you should know that I wear that banner with pride. The real Jesus and his disciples (except Judas) were all radicals. Ever wonder why James and John were called the "Sons of Thunder" by Jesus? Of course the modern church calls John "the love apostle" instead of a "son of thunder". Well John said that if you lie then your father is the devil!! Does that sound loving?? It is actually loving, tough love to be exact, but it is not warm and fuzzy. It sounds more to me like thunder! That's what the modern church is lacking today....THUNDER! That is why many professing christians can deny deliverance from demons, vote in favor of abortion and gay marriage, etc. etc. and many other things God forbids.

[CAfan]

Evanescence, What planet are you from??????????????? Maybe that's why you want to believe in aliens so badly.

Go back and read what I said............ Now that you've done that can you see how bad you lie and spin like the liberal you are??

I said that some UFO's are givernment craft, some are hoaxes and the rest are demons. You just said that I said that they are all demons. You are a LIAR. It is that simple.

Furthermore, demons are mentioned over and over and over and over and over in scripture. Got it? ET and space aliens are not. Not even once. Get it? Is it really that hard to understand?

Go back and read the great commission. Ok now that you've done that, didn't Jesus say he gave power to believers over demons to cast them out?????

That is for today just as it was then. Why do you think there is so much murder, child molestation, rape, terrorism, etc in the world???? It is because of demon possession. Just go read the gospels and the book of acts and make a list of all the times demons are mentioned. Demon activity will increase in the last days which is what we are in. I'm not trying to be a jerk but I really think you are just here trying to create doubt about what is true. All of your posts do this!!

Just because Joel Olsteen and Rick Warren NEVER mention demons (or holy living for that matter) doesn't mean we should forget them. The Bible is clear about the importance of fighting against demons in the name of Jesus but many "on the ball" modern preachers address this issue also. Ever hear of John Hagey, Benny Hinn, Bob Larson, John Bevere??? All have cast out demons and speak about it. So have I and so have many other believers. Bob Larson has cast out over 10,000 demons in his lifetime. Now considering Jesus cast out several thousand at one time (Legion) I guess that is believable.

If you think calling me a radical hurt my feelings you should know that I wear that banner with pride. The real Jesus and his disciples (except Judas) were all radicals. Ever wonder why James and John were called the "Sons of Thunder" by Jesus? Of course the modern church calls John "the love apostle" instead of a "son of thunder". Well John said that if you lie then your father is the devil!! Does that sound loving?? It is actually loving, tough love to be exact, but it is not warm and fuzzy. It sounds more to me like thunder! That's what the modern church is lacking today....THUNDER! That is why many professing christians can deny deliverance from demons, vote in favor of abortion and gay marriage, etc. etc. and many other things God forbids.

[CAfan]

Evanescence you said that you believe that there are other planets with life and we "ARE" being visited by intelligent life...... Do you even know what intelligent life is?? I'd like to be visited on the 3D message boards by intelligent life but as long as I'm conversing with you it's not going to happen. Why don't you spend more time at your favorite site, moveon.org. You'll be more happy there and the other people there will think (and I use that term loosely) like you do.:P

[Evanescence]

I am not a liberal or a liar....

I am just open minded....

[clemsontigers23]

I don't think there are. I think Satan and his demons enjoy it when people concern themselves with the idea, though. God tells us to spread the Gospel to all nations, not to worry about aliens invading. Nothing about aliens mentioned in Revelations. As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing to concern myself with and waste time pondering.

[Evanescence]

I don't think there are. I think Satan and his demons enjoy it when people concern themselves with the idea, though. God tells us to spread the Gospel to all nations, not to worry about aliens invading. Nothing about aliens mentioned in Revelations. As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing to concern myself with and waste time pondering.


I agree that its a waste for Christians to obsess or worry about, but its still fun to research and look into...

I wonder though, what Christians would do if several nations...including the US came out and admitted they had confiscated and/or posess alien spacecraft and/or beings...

That would be interesting...:cool:

[clemsontigers23]

Not care and keep spreading the Gospel and focusing on furthering the only Kingdom that's going to last. There won't be aliens in Paradise and that's all that matters.

[Evanescence]

Not care and keep spreading the Gospel and focusing on furthering the only Kingdom that's going to last. There won't be aliens in Paradise and that's all that matters.

You must have been there...you're so sure of what is in heaven....lol...

[River]

I am not a liberal or a liar....

I am just open minded....

You're not "open-minded" as you keep saying, because, as you said, you refuse to believe certain things (such as demons may be responsible for some of these odd occurrances). You have your mind made up already that it's aliens.

I'm not sure why you're so excited about aliens.