An Essay on Cool New Pro-Creationism Findings

[RansomedbyFire]

go check it out at http://www.tcwe.net/laura.php. it is entitled "So, How Old Are We Really?".

[middletree]

go check it out at http://www.tcwe.net/laura.php. it is entitled "So, How Old Are We Really?".

The problem with viewpoints like this is that it paints all Creationists with a broad brush, assuming that all Creationists believe in a young earth. In truth, there are plenty like me who believe that the bible is 100% accurate, and that the earth is several million or billion years old. Articles like this don't take that into account.


This article says :

"if the earth were proven to be more than just thousands of years old, a literal reading of the Biblical account of creation and the genealogies of mankind would not hold up. "

That's just not true.

[Sam!]

No, a proper literal reading of the Bible accounts for the type and intent of material you are trying to read. I wish more people understood that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are essentially poetic in nature. Not historical. And that it doesn't invalidated them one bit, but it alters how they should be understood.

[middletree]

No, a proper literal reading of the Bible accounts for the type and intent of material you are trying to read. I wish more people understood that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are essentially poetic in nature. Not historical. And that it doesn't invalidated them one bit, but it alters how they should be understood.

I hear what you're saying, but I am saying that even a fully literal reading of Genesis could render either an old earth or a young one.

[Valpo]

i tend to not care how old the earth is, but I believe in Adam and Eve. The fall came there, and thus our need for a savior

[middletree]

i tend to not care how old the earth is, but I believe in Adam and Eve. The fall came there, and thus our need for a savior

I agree with you there.

[Pouye]

I hear what you're saying, but I am saying that even a fully literal reading of Genesis could render either an old earth or a young one.

I agree.

Just to see my point, on which of the 6 days of creation was the earth (land under water) created?
When were angels created -- on which of the 6 days?
When was Satan created -- on which of the six days?
When was the war in heaven that caused Satan to become evil? Was it before the 6 days of creation, or after?
How was it "evening and morning" before the sun was created? (My thought... God was the light.)
Was this the first time God ever created on planet earth, or had the earth, with the land covered with water, been the grounds for early creations?

Rock

[freakysoccer]

My question is exactly how long was a day? I mean that is not specified in Genesis, it could be 24 hours or 24 million years.

[in hiding]

My question is exactly how long was a day? I mean that is not specified in Genesis, it could be 24 hours or 24 million years.

http://www.google.com/search?q=meaning+of+the+w ord+day+in+genesis&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[clemsontigers23]

My belief is that the day described in Genesis is a 24-hour day. I don't believe God is trying to deceive us when He knew in His infinite wisdom what we understand a day to be. It also shows the awesome power of the Almighty God that He did all of this in just seven days. The fact that God commands us to keep the seventh day holy and that he rested on the seventh day implies that God intended for Genesis 1 to be taken literally.

That being said, how much time has passed since then?

[middletree]

My belief is that the day described in Genesis is a 24-hour day. I don't believe God is trying to deceive us when He knew in His infinite wisdom what we understand a day to be.

I don't agree with you. Not about the 24-hour day. It might have meant that, might not. But the Hebrew word there has meant, in other Hebrew writings, a long period of time, as well as meaning a 24-hour period.

If I told you that I had a growth spurt where I grew a foot one summer, and then I later told you that I hurt my foot playing soccer, would you then say that, because the word "foot" means a body part in my soccer story, that in my growth spurt story, I was saying that I have a third foot? Of course not. The fact is that in English, the word foot sometimes means 12 inches, and sometimes means a body part. Likewise, the word "Yom" in Hebrew can mean either a 24-hour period or a long period of time. That much is not disputed by Hebrews scholars.

[freakysoccer]

I don't agree with you. Not about the 24-hour day. It might have meant that, might not. But the Hebrew word there has meant, in other Hebrew writings, a long period of time, as well as meaning a 24-hour period.

If I told you that I had a growth spurt where I grew a foot one summer, and then I later told you that I hurt my foot playing soccer, would you then say that, because the word "foot" means a body part in my soccer story, that in my growth spurt story, I was saying that I have a third foot? Of course not. The fact is that in English, the word foot sometimes means 12 inches, and sometimes means a body part. Likewise, the word "Yom" in Hebrew can mean either a 24-hour period or a long period of time. That much is not disputed by Hebrews scholars.


I agree with you, i just think that it was a longer period of time for the earth to be created in. I mean look at an area of the world like Alaska, which has long periods of dark and light that exceed a 24 hour period, sometimes lasting months at a time. In my opinion it a day was just longer that 24 hours; but that's just what i think.

[luvmyrottie]

I've often wondered about the dinasaurs. God doesn't mention creating them in the Bible, but it doesn't mention everything He created, either. The thing I think, and this is just my own thoughts, nothing really to back them up--I think maybe God created the earth to seem old. He could have put all the layers in the rocks just to give our scientists something to study. He could have created the fossils and dinasaur bones for the same reason. I accept that God created the world in 7 literal days. That's what it says in Genesis. Since time as we know it didn't exist then, maybe they were 24 hour days, maybe not. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that God spoke it into being and I believe that. The how doesn't really matter. But the faith does. We are created wanting to believe. If we don't believe in God, we'll try and find something else to believe. God gave us a choice.

[clemsontigers23]

I don't agree with you. Not about the 24-hour day. It might have meant that, might not. But the Hebrew word there has meant, in other Hebrew writings, a long period of time, as well as meaning a 24-hour period.

If I told you that I had a growth spurt where I grew a foot one summer, and then I later told you that I hurt my foot playing soccer, would you then say that, because the word "foot" means a body part in my soccer story, that in my growth spurt story, I was saying that I have a third foot? Of course not. The fact is that in English, the word foot sometimes means 12 inches, and sometimes means a body part. Likewise, the word "Yom" in Hebrew can mean either a 24-hour period or a long period of time. That much is not disputed by Hebrews scholars.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but what about the fact that God rested on the seventh day and then commanded us to keep the seventh day (Sabbath) holy? God used the first six days as work and intended us to use those days for working as well, and then gave us the seventh day to rest. If a day in Genesis was longer than we would only be resting every 7,000 years, or 7 million years, however long you believe a day stood for in Genesis. It also seems like it would take away from the awesome power of God when you say he didn't really create it in seven days, and God wants to be glorified so wouldn't creating the entire universe in six literal days bring more glory than if each day meant a thousand years? I believe God knew what the entire world would understand a day to mean and therefore would not deceive us into thinking a day meant more than what we understand a day to mean.

[River]

I've often wondered about the dinasaurs. God doesn't mention creating them in the Bible, but it doesn't mention everything He created, either. The thing I think, and this is just my own thoughts, nothing really to back them up--I think maybe God created the earth to seem old. He could have put all the layers in the rocks just to give our scientists something to study. He could have created the fossils and dinasaur bones for the same reason.

I have two thoughts about this...
1. Regarding dinosaurs, all the mentions of "Leviathan", "behemoth" and "dragons" int he Bible lead me to believe that they did co-exist with humans. The animals that they describe are huge and comparable to lizards. Not to mention all of the mentions of dragons in literature and drawings... I mean, all other myths are based on Something... fairies and fireflies, dwarfs and little people... I don't see why something as large as dragons would be based on dog-sized lizards.

2. If God did just create Adam as it says in Genesis and somehow scientists were able to observe him two days later, how old would they conclude he was? Could they conclude that he was 2 days old, or would he appear to be older? I think that Earth works in that same respect... God created a fully-functioning earth so it seems older than it really is.

[luvmyrottie]

I have two thoughts about this...
1. Regarding dinosaurs, all the mentions of "Leviathan", "behemoth" and "dragons" int he Bible lead me to believe that they did co-exist with humans. The animals that they describe are huge and comparable to lizards. Not to mention all of the mentions of dragons in literature and drawings... I mean, all other myths are based on Something... fairies and fireflies, dwarfs and little people... I don't see why something as large as dragons would be based on dog-sized lizards.

2. If God did just create Adam as it says in Genesis and somehow scientists were able to observe him two days later, how old would they conclude he was? Could they conclude that he was 2 days old, or would he appear to be older? I think that Earth works in that same respect... God created a fully-functioning earth so it seems older than it really is.
good points, thanks