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Howlin' Wolf
08-17-2006, 02:50 PM
Check out this trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/americafreedomtofascism/trailer/) for a very interesting movie coming out.
leftist bulljive
leftist bulljive
redneck conservative typical reply.
*edit, not that i'm saying you are.....that's just the typical reply. and for the record i'm not a leftist or liberal. i'm actually a conservative on the majority of my beliefs.
did you not find the part about the chip id interesting. to me that lines up with end time events. the mark and all....
middletree
08-17-2006, 03:10 PM
did you not find the part about the chip id interesting. to me that lines up with end time events. the mark and all....
Tulip doesn't believe in that interpretation of Revelation. I do think it will happen sometime, but I find the alarmism that is present in 99% of End TImes "ministries" to be very troubling.
Anyway, I think people should be careful when tossing around volatile words like fascism.
Tulip doesn't believe in that interpretation of Revelation. I do think it will happen sometime, but I find the alarmism that is present in 99% of End TImes "ministries" to be very troubling.
fair enough, but based on my religious beliefs a lot of what is tackled in the trailor is pretty interesting to me. i mean revelation 13: 16-17 seems pretty clear to me;
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
in all honesty i don't see how it could be taken another way, but i am willing to hear a different point of view because i haven't heard one on this subject.
Anyway, I think people should be careful when tossing around volatile words like fascism.
as for this, fascism is an extreme word, but looking at the direction we very possibly may be heading with the threat of national security, id chips, check points, marshall law etc. may not be far off. i think it's just pointing the possiblity it could happen if we don't change it. because ultimetly the people in power don't want the public to have power. man is greedy and they want power for themselves. there is a quote (i can't think of who off hand, but i'll look it up) that talks about how democracy is only a temporary fix and how it has never lasted much over 200 years. i'll look it up and put it on here.
Even with that interpretation, that does not mean that this fulfills that prophecy... Just because it happens now does not mean this is the one that is prophesied. Does that make sense?
Also, the end of democracy does not necessarily equate to a loss of freedom.
okay, here is the quote;
When the thirteen colonies were still a part of England, Professor Alexander Tyler wrote about the fall of the Athenian republic over two thousand years previous to that time:
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.
Alexander Tyler
Even with that interpretation, that does not mean that this fulfills that prophecy... Just because it happens now does not mean this is the one that is prophesied. Does that make sense?
and i'm not saying this is the one, but if you believe in the tribulation and all that do you think they're just going to bust in the door saying "wear 666 or we will kill you" or do you think they will slowly acclimate us to it so we think it's only for convenience or best for us? it reminds me of the saying about if you put a frog in boiling hot water he will jump out, but if you put him it water at a comfortable level and slowly turn up the heat he will sit there until he dies.
*edit* do you think they would have allowed shows like sex and the city on tv back in the 50's or even smaller than that some of the commercials and so called "family" shows on network television filled with sexual content? no, but over a period of time hollywood pushed the limits as far as they could until we became unfazed by the content and then they'd push a little more and a little more. that's the way it always works.
Valpo
08-17-2006, 03:45 PM
what are we bored? holy crap...
and i'm not saying this is the one, but if you believe in the tribulation and all that do you think they're just going to bust in the door saying "wear 666 or we will kill you" or do you think they will slowly acclimate us to it so we think it's only for convenience or best for us? it reminds me of the saying about if you put a frog in boiling hot water he will jump out, but if you put him it water at a comfortable level and slowly turn up the heat he will sit there until he dies.
*edit* do you think they would have allowed shows like sex and the city on tv back in the 50's or even smaller than that some of the commercials and so called "family" shows on network television filled with sexual content? no, but over a period of time hollywood pushed the limits as far as they could until we became unfazed by the content and then they'd push a little more and a little more. that's the way it always works.
I'm not sure what your point is. "They" are as much at fault as we are in terms of the moral degeneration of the media. The bottom line is if we don't watch it, they won't air it.
ANYHOW... Sex and the City (which, by the way... since you brought it up... have you actually watched the show?) has nothing to do with the tribulation. At all.
If this is to be that mark, then who is evil beast forcing me to be marked? Where is the fire raining down from heaven? Last time I checked, I haven't been made to worship the beast or tricked into it. I'm just asking...
I'm not sure what your point is. "They" are as much at fault as we are in terms of the moral degeneration of the media. The bottom line is if we don't watch it, they won't air it.
ANYHOW... Sex and the City (which, by the way... since you brought it up... have you actually watched the show?) has nothing to do with the tribulation. At all.
If this is to be that mark, then who is evil beast forcing me to be marked? Where is the fire raining down from heaven? Last time I checked, I haven't been made to worship the beast or tricked into it. I'm just asking...
okay, i'm not sure what the heck you're getting at. i don't think you even understood my reply. i said this film, which talked about id chips implanted into your hand, wasn't the mark of the beast, but it was a way to acclimate us to the idea of "marking" us. then i used an example of a frog in boiling water and to further the example i used the media pushing the envelope, little by little, until we think it's common to see half naked women on our tv etc. my comments on sex and the city had nothing to do with the mark, but just an example of how there is no way they're going to come out and say "accept the mark or die" just like there is no way they would have played a show like sex and the city in the 50's because we would have rejected it, but if they slowly acclimate us (hence the frog and boiling water reference) then we will swallow it hook line and sinker. i hope this helped clear up things.
If this is to be that mark, then who is evil beast forcing me to be marked? Where is the fire raining down from heaven? Last time I checked, I haven't been made to worship the beast or tricked into it. I'm just asking...
just real quick; i'm not saying this is the mark of the beast. i don't think it is, i only think it's a way to get us use to the idea. i don't think this stuff is going to happen abrutly. because so many people would be against it, but if the government makes it look like it's for our own good it only gets us use to it. does this make sense. i'm not saying this is the mark, but i don't believe the mark is just going to show up one day and we're going to know it's the mark. too many people know about this part of revelation to so blatantly accept it. people will be decieved. AGAIN, i do not think this is the mark.
Alright then... I can't really honestly say that I believe this is a precursor of the mark fo the beast, but there isn't anyway to find out who's right and wrong at this point I suppose.
Evanescence
08-17-2006, 11:03 PM
Who really gives a hoot if its the Mark or not....
Who wants a chip imbedded in their arm from the Govt? Who wants to be tracked?
Gosh....does anyone remember the word FREEDOM!!!!!!!!?????????! !!!!!!!!!!!
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