War protest at funerals

[wannabaRSgirl]

One of my mother-in-law's former students was killed in Iraq last week. At the funeral in northenr Arkansas, there were war protests. Does this make any sense at all?

[cheewiee]

One of my mother-in-law's former students was killed in Iraq last week. At the funeral in northenr Arkansas, there were war protests. Does this make any sense at all?

Are you sure that there were war protests? Usualy protesting funerals is something that seems to come from Westboro Baptist Cult... err Church... They are not protestng the war so much as they are protesting America herself.... They target the funerals of dead soldiers because they know by doing that their rhetoric will reach the largest audiance...

But mostly they "Picket" funerals saying that the death of the soldier was caused by God who is mad at America for a laundry list of offesnses but especially the current advancments made by the Homosexual community...

[Valpo]

was it fred phelps and his gang of merry men or was it liberals?

[Evanescence]

It's asinine. Its a good reason for Govt to step in and lock the whole bunch up, take away their kids for corruption of minors and set an example for abusing the constitution and our rights.

That bunch is such a black eye on the Christian church...:mad: :mad:

[cheewiee]

It's asinine. Its a good reason for Govt to step in and lock the whole bunch up, take away their kids for corruption of minors and set an example for abusing the constitution and our rights.

That bunch is such a black eye on the Christian church...:mad: :mad:

While I would agree that they are morons... I fail to see how the government should have the rights to take away the kids on the grounds that they are being corrupted...

What happens when something you support isn't viewed favorably by the general population and they want to take your kids because they believe you are corrupting them...

[jrmitch]

Are you sure that there were war protests? Usualy protesting funerals is something that seems to come from Westboro Baptist Cult... err Church... You were right the first time......;)

[Evanescence]

While I would agree that they are morons... I fail to see how the government should have the rights to take away the kids on the grounds that they are being corrupted...

What happens when something you support isn't viewed favorably by the general population and they want to take your kids because they believe you are corrupting them...

Well I realize it would never fly but you have to decide what "Corruption of a minor" means....

brainwashing cults that preach and teach hate and insanity should be subject to review by the authorities. They make no bones about it and openly show and encourage their kids to preach and teach hate and other insane behavior. Its all right there on the news...and their proud of it.

I know folk that had their kids taken away for FAR, FAR less....

There should be stupidity laws where they would be locked up for 30 days for their insanity....

[DareDevil]

Back to the subject.

I took a look at Fred Phelps web site and it seems that it has no info about a protest at a recent funeral in Arkansas. Personally I'd say that this is a good indication that he had nothing to do with it. He'd be too proud of it to not brag about it if he had anything to do with it. I suppose that this means that some other lunatic was responsible.

[Mugirl04]

Well I realize it would never fly but you have to decide what "Corruption of a minor" means....

brainwashing cults that preach and teach hate and insanity should be subject to review by the authorities. They make no bones about it and openly show and encourage their kids to preach and teach hate and other insane behavior. Its all right there on the news...and their proud of it.

I know folk that had their kids taken away for FAR, FAR less....

There should be stupidity laws where they would be locked up for 30 days for their insanity....
i would agree.. what about that guy out in utah or arizona desert who lives on a compound and doesn't give women freedom.

[larryl]

Well I realize it would never fly but you have to decide what "Corruption of a minor" means....

brainwashing cults that preach and teach hate and insanity should be subject to review by the authorities.


i know a lot of people who would describe the entire christian church that way.

[wannabaRSgirl]

[QUOTE=cheewiee]Are you sure that there were war protests? Usualy protesting funerals is something that seems to come from Westboro Baptist Cult... err Church... They are not protestng the war so much as they are protesting America herself.... They target the funerals of dead soldiers because they know by doing that their rhetoric will reach the largest audiance...

Yep, you were right. I should have done my research before I posted something. The soldiers name is Pfc. Derek J. Plowman.

Still it is a tragedy. Sorry for not doing my homework first.
Based on what I have read, is it correct that there is sometimes protesting at the funerals of soldiers?

Again I apologize for posting wrong information.

[hizprop]

yes, there are protests at soldiers funerals all over the country...........
there is a group of bikers that go to the services........
at the request of the families......
soldiers are veterans, retired, formerPOW/MIA's, active, reserve, etc. etc........
the bikers are from all over the country, veterans, retired, reserve, former POW/MIAs etc. etc. .....
they have a website w/forums, but i dont exactly remember the name right now...........
its all on a volunteer basis and free to the families.........

[jrmitch]

yes, there are protests at soldiers funerals all over the country...........
there is a group of bikers that go to the services........
at the request of the families......
soldiers are veterans, retired, formerPOW/MIA's, active, reserve, etc. etc........
the bikers are from all over the country, veterans, retired, reserve, former POW/MIAs etc. etc. .....
they have a website w/forums, but i dont exactly remember the name right now...........
its all on a volunteer basis and free to the families.........Actually , I think those bikers are there as a show of support for the families of slain servicemen/women. When Phelps and his tribe of hooligans were picketing funerals here in Denver a couple of months ago they were there to help provide encouragement to the families (and act as a deterent to the knuckleheads from the Phelps camp).

[cheewiee]

Actually, I think those bikers are there as a show of support for the families of slain servicemen/women. When Phelps and his tribe of hooligans were picketing funerals here in Denver a couple of months ago they were there to help provide encouragement to the families (and act as a deterent to the knuckleheads from the Phelps camp).

Usually from what I have heard, they try to form a buffer between the family of the slain, and the protesters.... a barrier of sorts..

[hizprop]

www.patriotguard.org

here's the website..........
seems they are now doing more than funerals.......
they were at the airport to greet a soldier when he arrived home on leave.........

[Mugirl04]

www.patriotguard.org

here's the website..........
seems they are now doing more than funerals.......
they were at the airport to greet a soldier when he arrived home on leave.........
people like this make me sick

[wannabaRSgirl]

Usually from what I have heard, they try to form a buffer between the family of the slain, and the protesters.... a barrier of sorts..

Ok, these guys WERE at the funeral I am refering to. So, does that mean there were anti-war protesters also? It is kindof a sensitive subject that I don't want to bring up with the person who was there. The wound is still fresh.

[Healing Oil]

people like this make me sick
Who? Are you referring to the link of the patriot gaurds? I read it and they dont seem to be anti-war at all. They said their only goal is to attend funeral services of fallen soldiers (only by request of the families) to protect the service from any outside protestors. If invited they are to stand there and show respect...nothing more, nothing less...

Are you talking about the Westboro Church people?

[Mugirl04]

i am talking about the westboro church people

[TX3DFan]

www.patriotguard.org

here's the website..........
seems they are now doing more than funerals.......
they were at the airport to greet a soldier when he arrived home on leave.........


It truly makes me sad that these guys even have to do this. These protesters are sick, twisted individuals with no respect or shame. I salute this Patriot Guard for doing this for the families and our servicemen.

[Healing Oil]

i am talking about the westboro church people
Oh ok, just making sure then :)

[Evanescence]

Back to the subject.

I took a look at Fred Phelps web site and it seems that it has no info about a protest at a recent funeral in Arkansas. Personally I'd say that this is a good indication that he had nothing to do with it. He'd be too proud of it to not brag about it if he had anything to do with it. I suppose that this means that some other lunatic was responsible.

if it was about Homosexuals and the war...it was fred Phelps. he's just clever enough not to put it on his site...

There should be NO protesting whatso ever at any funerals for fallen soldiers. Leave your opinions and ideas at the door......its so un-cool.

i would agree.. what about that guy out in utah or arizona desert who lives on a compound and doesn't give women freedom.

Investigate and charge them if need be. There's a bunch of them and they need to be looked into and dealt with. Freedom of religion is not to be abused by anyone....

[Melodeon]

The Westboro Church protesters are going to be protesting at a soldier's funeral in my hometown. Although I've heard of them before and have always been disgusted by them, the fact that they'll be in my hometown aggravates me even more. Why can't they let these families grieve in peace, why make it that much harder to deal with the loss of a loved one? Argh!

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=12 300

Protest planned at funeral

By RON SELAK JR. and RAYMOND L. SMITH Tribune Chronicle

WARREN — An anti-gay group that pickets funerals of fallen Iraqi war soldiers is planning to protest Friday when Army Sgt. Marco Miller is laid to rest.

The ultra-conservative Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church — known for saying that God is targeting American troops because of homosexuality — reportedly called the city on Wednesday inquiring about permits. On the group’s Web site, they show that they plan to picket the funeral at Grace AME Church.

The protest is planned for 9:15 a.m.

‘‘I don’t like them at all,’’ said Miller’s mother Renee Daniels Wednesday. ‘‘I don’t like what they are doing. This is a private moment, and they shouldn’t be protesting. This is private. If they want to protest someplace else, that is good and fine.’’

Ohio law prohibits protests within 300 feet of a funeral or funeral procession an hour before and after the service. It recognizes the grieving families’ right to privacy without placing any limits on what demonstrators can say.

‘‘All along the route of the procession they are prohibited from coming in 300 feet to protest,’’ said the law’s sponsor, State Rep. John Boccieri, D-New Middletown. ‘‘They can do their protest, they can spew their hate, but it has to be done at a respective distance.’’

Miller, 36, a U.S. Army combat cameraman assigned to the 3rd Battalion Support Co., 20th Special Forces Group (Airborne), was fatally injured Dec. 3 by shrapnel flying from a roadside mortar attack in Taji, Iraq. He died Tuesday at a U.S. Military hospital complex near Frankfurt, Germany.

Miller was sent to Iraq this summer.

Warren Law Director Gregory V. Hicks said city law requires groups to get a permit to protest in certain instances, like when they need use of highways for marching.

Other than that, ‘‘you don’t need permits to have free speech,’’ Hicks said.

He said if the group, any group, is not being disruptive or causing any issues and are on public property, they are free to protest.

‘‘It depends on exactly what they are going to do,’’ Hicks said.

The group didn’t pull a permit Wednesday.

Police Chief John Mandopoulos said despite his feelings toward the group, there’s really nothing his department can do except protect the family from the protesters.

‘‘We plan on ignoring them and trying to shield the family from them,’’ the chief said.

Leaders of local veterans organizations also are planning to attend the funeral events to honor Miller.

Robert H. Brothers, representing the Trumbull County American Legion, said the group will be at the gate of Oakwood Cemetery during Miller’s funeral.

Brothers, a U.S. Army veteran who served during the Korean War, said his American Legion honor guard unit has participated in 181 funerals this year and that the group will present arms for a veteran or a member of the active military. On Friday, the group will be participating in a veteran’s funeral before arriving at Miller’s program.

‘‘This will be the first funeral for someone killed in action,’’ he said.

The Trumbull American Legion honor guard has been doing these funeral ceremonies for seven years.

‘‘We’ve been going to more funerals every year,’’ Brothers said. ‘‘It is not surprising because there are an average of 1,500 World War II and Korean War veterans dying a day.’’

On Friday, the unit will be standing at the entrance of the cemetery, so it will be able to present arms as the horse drawn carriage carrying the casket enters.

‘‘We’re going to line up at the entrance of the cemetery, because we believe the way it is designed it will be difficult for people to get in and out if there is a large group,’’ he said.

Also on the funeral route will be Sam Lanza, representing DAV, chapter 11, at least 60 students from Warren elementary schools and Warren firefighters and police officers will line South Street as the procession passed the Fire and Police departments.

[lilmikey]

Tree hugging IDIOTS I hate the crap they try to pull.

[lilmikey]

It truly makes me sad that these guys even have to do this. These protesters are sick, twisted individuals with no respect or shame. I salute this Patriot Guard for doing this for the families and our servicemen.
Yes it is sad but I have 100% respect for these guys

It's the tree hugging jerks I have ZERO tolerance for

ACLU idiots!!!!!!!!!!!

[Evanescence]

Yeah, these kooks were going to protest the Amish victims funerals here a few months back....

The local news, radio, and ploice were notified by anonymous locals, that if they come, there will be VIOLENCE....

The kooks talked their way onto a radio talk show for one hour in exchange. I was hoping redneck lightening would do some justice!!! :mad:

[DareDevil]

Tree hugging IDIOTS I hate the crap they try to pull.
I don't think that Fred Phelps is a tree hugger.

[lilmikey]

I don't think that Fred Phelps is a tree hugger.
I was talking about liberals in general

[Jason]

I was talking about liberals in general

Most people would classify Phelps as a conservative.

[Pouye]

Most people would classify Phelps as a conservative.

I thought most peoplet classified him as a complete nut job who makes the entire Adam's Family look sane and sensible? :confused:

Rock

[Jason]

I thought most peoplet classified him as a complete nut job who makes the entire Adam's Family look sane and sensible? :confused:

Rock

Well that too. :p