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middletree
07-18-2006, 11:04 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-clubshooting_18met.ART.No rth.Edition1.240dad5.html

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Song blamed for shootings
Police say DJ shattered gang truce at club, ending with 2 deaths

12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, July 18, 2006

By JASON TRAHAN and HOLLY YAN / The Dallas Morning News


Two gangs declared a truce to celebrate a birthday. But police say one song
shattered the peace.

For about an hour Sunday night, the leaders of two gangs - which remain
unnamed by Dallas police officials - put rivalries aside, allowing a party
at El Angel in the 600 block of North Harwood Street downtown to continue
trouble-free.

That is, according to police, until the DJ began booming "Put Yo Hood Up," a
raunchy call-to-action gangsta anthem that police said practically sparked a
riot inside the club.

The result was two young men - Lendl Carey, 22, and Kenneth Haggerty, 20 -
shot dead in the streets outside the club. Injured were Dewayne Braxton, 24;
Christopher Finley, 20; Jabari Andrews, 19; and Cornelius Finley, 19. They
were treated and released from the hospital.

Police on Monday continued the search for the shooters and were reviewing
parking lot surveillance tapes for clues to who was present and who was
shooting.

But authorities laid the blame for how the fight began squarely on the rap
song's lyrics.

"Witnesses said this was the flashpoint," said Deputy Chief Alfredo Saldana,
who heads the crimes against persons division.

Police said that it is not confirmed that everyone who attended the club
that night was in a gang. A mother whose son was celebrating his birthday
there over the weekend said her son was not affiliated.

Marcus Francia, the brother of the man whose 21st birthday was being
celebrated, said what police have labeled as a gang fight was a spontaneous
conflict between young men from different neighborhoods.

"It's not really gang violence. We don't even know those boys," Mr. Francia,
20, said of the men who killed his friends. "Everyone in there was against
us. I guess the majority of people were from the same hood."

Mr. Francia, his brother and their friends are from East Dallas. He said he
thought the shooters were from Pleasant Grove.

He challenged the police's assertion that the song "Put Yo Hood Up" sparked
the mayhem.

"The songs played, they have nothing to do with nothing," Mr. Francia said.
"I've been to a lot of clubs, and they play the same songs at every club. I
don't think that would prompt nobody."

He explained flashing a sign representing a part of town, or throwing one's
hood, happens at clubs regardless of what's playing.

"People throw their hood with every song played. That one probably made them
throw their hood more than usual," said Mr. Francia, whose mother is a
telephone operator at The Dallas Morning News.

The bloodshed was the latest in a long series of shootings and beatings that
have plagued the eastern edge of downtown for several months.

In October, an 18-year-old man was stomped to death at a parking lot at San
Jacinto and Harwood after a hip-hop bash at the nearby Adams Mark hotel. And
police routinely have to quell huge brawls near Pacific and Harwood outside
Blue, a rap club well-known for violence inside that spills out onto the
streets.

Police on Monday stopped short of calling for a boycott of the popular song
by Lil' Jon & The East Side Boyz.

"We're not in the business of policing lyrics," said Deputy Chief Brian
Harvey, in charge of downtown police activities.

He said troubles at El Angel began about two months ago, about the same time
it changed its format and hired a promoter to fill it with revelers.

He met with the club's management Monday and planned to sit down with owners
of other establishments soon to reiterate the department's safety message.

"We're going to work with the clubs to make sure they have adequate
security," Chief Harvey said. He said El Angel's managers were cooperative.

The club's management could not be reached for comment.

He said three off-duty officers and an investigator were working the club's
parking lots that night but weren't told about the conflict inside in time
to quell it outside.

cheewiee
07-18-2006, 11:40 AM
Why is it, people cannot be responsilble for their own actions, and they have to blame someone/thing else....:rolleyes:

WeaselInYerFoot
07-18-2006, 12:06 PM
Music can drive emotions. Any kind of emotion. I would say that the fault isn't the music, rather the listener's condition and history.

If they were to play song for example at a different club where no one knew eachother, the outcome would be different. I doubt there would even be a fist fight.

Howlin' Wolf
07-18-2006, 12:32 PM
Why is it, people cannot be responsilble for their own actions, and they have to blame someone/thing else....:rolleyes:


its the american way to blame others

middletree
07-18-2006, 12:34 PM
its the american way to blame others
It might be early to say this, but this may be one of those threads where we all are on the same page.

Howlin' Wolf
07-18-2006, 12:38 PM
we are saved by garce through faith in christ alone

are we still all on the same page???

DareDevil
07-18-2006, 12:53 PM
Violent music can even have a cathartic effect, but it is still a tricky thing. There are simply too many factors that decide about the music's actual effect and the lyrics are just one of those factors. All in all I must still say though that it was probably not a wise decision from the DJ to choose this paticular song for this paticular event. I mean, it is not as if I want to blame him for the incident - it were the guests who committed the violence and not him - but I can imagine that the song did indeed trigger or intensify a mood that made this paticular audience go nuts.

middletree
07-18-2006, 01:24 PM
we are saved by garce through faith in christ alone

are we still all on the same page???
No. I am not saved by garce. ;)

Howlin' Wolf
07-18-2006, 01:29 PM
No. I am not saved by garce. ;)

you heretic!!!!:D

amazing GaRce!!

Grank
07-18-2006, 01:32 PM
ignorance doesn't seem to be bliss all the time, eh?

Sam!
07-18-2006, 03:41 PM
I didn't get the impression that the police were blaming the lyrics themselves for the violence, but rather that playing the song caused pre-existing tensions to rise to the surface. I didn't get the sense that they held anybody responsible but the shooter(s).

The fact that a mother believes her son was not in a gang means nothing. They all say that. I feel bad for her, but if the police investigate and believe it was gang-related, they probably know better.

Music can increase a person's disposition toward violent acts, and has the capability to teach novel methods of violence... just like all media. I can cite sources if you need, but the book is on the other side of the office and I am quite comfortable in my chair. :)

Mugirl04
07-18-2006, 04:05 PM
Why is it, people cannot be responsilble for their own actions, and they have to blame someone/thing else....:rolleyes:
exactly lets blame the people shooting.

Drummer Dude Go
07-18-2006, 04:18 PM
exactly lets blame the people shooting.
AMEN! Put the blame right where it really belongs-on the people who actually did the shooting-not some rap song.

TX3DFan
07-18-2006, 04:44 PM
Just like video games make kids kill people. The biggest problem in America today is lack of ownership. If you do something wrong, own up to it! Don't blame mommy/daddy or music/video games.

Sam!
07-18-2006, 05:03 PM
Just like video games make kids kill people. The biggest problem in America today is lack of ownership. If you do something wrong, own up to it! Don't blame mommy/daddy or music/video games.
No the biggest problem in America today is bigger than that--it's the moral decay. The "you can do whatever you want as long as you don't get caught" mentality. Go faster than the speed limit as long as there are no cops. Or just go 5 miles over. The mentality that you have a legal right not to go to jail, and so your defense attorney's job is to keep you out of jail... not fight for justice.

Anyway... before we all get incredulous... I will reiterate that reading the article, it does not seem that the authorities are absolving the shooters because of the song. I mean, if you read past the headline. The "journalist" seems to say that, but the only quote from the police about causation is "Witnesses said this was the flashpoint."

Sam!
07-18-2006, 05:05 PM
Just like video games make kids kill people. The biggest problem in America today is lack of ownership. If you do something wrong, own up to it! Don't blame mommy/daddy or music/video games.
So, parents can model good behavior and that will rub off on a kid... but the bad behavior has no effect?

Anyway, it's not an either-or issue. Media influence our thoughts and decisions and can teach us new things... media can lead to misperceptions on our part. But behavior is the result of many factors.

kiwisongbird
07-19-2006, 04:30 AM
You can't blame the song, but it does add to the mix... the act would likely have not happened if the song wasn't played...

If you've lived a pretty clean life, I don't think you can really understand what happens in someone's mind when they're on drugs or drunk or whatever.... it's easy to say that the music isn't to blame (which I agree with) but sometimes things are so much more complicated than that...

um... NOT black and white! :)

Sam!
07-19-2006, 04:17 PM
You can't blame the song, but it does add to the mix... the act would likely have not happened if the song wasn't played...

If you've lived a pretty clean life, I don't think you can really understand what happens in someone's mind when they're on drugs or drunk or whatever.... it's easy to say that the music isn't to blame (which I agree with) but sometimes things are so much more complicated than that...

um... NOT black and white! :)
Very true.

bholdj
07-19-2006, 06:07 PM
we are saved by garce through faith in christ alone

are we still all on the same page???

lol funny :cool: