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Evanescence
06-29-2006, 11:05 PM
his policies on the Guantanamo Bay, CUBA detainee's...

Politics or legitimate claim against the President and his Admin.?

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WASHINGTON (June 29) - The Supreme Court rebuked President Bush and his anti-terror policies Thursday, ruling that his plan to try Guantanamo Bay detainees in military tribunals violates U.S. and international law.

The president and congressional Republicans immediately pledged to work on a new strategy for special trials for some of the hundreds of suspected al-Qaida and Taliban operatives rounded up in Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries.

Bush said the ruling "won't cause killers to be put out on the street."

The court declared 5-3 that the president's attempt to resurrect a type of military trial last used in the aftermath of World War II violates U.S. military law and the Geneva conventions that set international standards for dealing with people captured in armed conflicts.

The ruling focused on Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a one-time driver for Osama bin Laden who has spent four years in the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He faces a single count of conspiring to commit terrorism.

Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, Hamdan's Navy lawyer, said he told the Yemeni about the ruling by telephone. "I think he was awe-struck that the court would rule for him, and give a little man like him an equal chance. Where he's from, that is not true," Swift said.

The decision could have a broad impact on the administration's legal justification for many of its policies in the global fight against terrorism, from eavesdropping to detention policies in Iraq.

The ruling united the four most liberal justices with moderate Anthony M. Kennedy in an opinion that showed the high court would not watch the controversy over Bush policies from the sidelines.

It was a sequel to a ruling two years ago that found the administration did not have a "blank check" to lock up alleged combatants without any legal rights. Again, the court said the Bush administration had gone too far.

"The Constitution is best preserved by reliance on standards tested over time and insulated from the pressures of the moment," Kennedy wrote in one opinion.

The ruling came on the court's final day before the justices began a three-month break. Court members spent more than half an hour announcing the decision and reading dissents.

Chief Justice John Roberts was sidelined in the case because as an appeals court judge he had backed the government in this case last year. That ruling was overturned Thursday.

The other three conservative justices, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, strongly supported the government.

"It is not clear where the court derives the authority _ or the audacity _ to contradict" Congress and the executive branch, Scalia wrote.

Thomas, reading a dissent from the bench for only the second time in his nearly 15-year career, said the court's decision would "sorely hamper the president's ability to confront and defeat a new and deadly enemy."

Hamdan's attorneys, backed by lawyer groups and military experts, had argued that the tribunals, before as few as three military officers, made it difficult for suspects to defend themselves, including confronting accusers and being present for all parts of a trial.

The majority found that Congress had not given Bush the authority to create the special type of military trial and that the president did not provide a valid reason for the new system. The justices also said the proposed trials did not provide for minimum legal protections under international law.

While the administration could come up with a new system, a better option would be to hold regular military courts-martial for detainees, the high court said. Those trials, used for soldiers, provide somewhat similar legal protections to those that defendants receive in U.S. courts.

The Bush administration did not appear ready to accept that.

White House counselor Dan Bartlett said the administration's task now is to determine how to design military tribunals that will pass muster. Bartlett said Bush could portray any lawmaker who objected to legislation as supporting the release of dangerous terrorists.

Late Thursday, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., filed legislation authorizing the president to create military tribunals and providing due process guidelines for trials of terrorist combatants. The Senate Armed Services Committee and Senate Judiciary Committee plan hearings over the summer.

The ruling said nothing about whether the administration should close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, as Bush has said he would like to do eventually. The administration erected the prison in the months after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and it has been a flashpoint for international criticism.

For now, there are about 450 detainees at Guantanamo, and 115 of them have been deemed eligible for release or transfer to their home countries. Ten, including Hamdan, have been charged with crimes. The chief Guantanamo prosecutor had said about 65 more detainees were likely to be charged if the court ruled differently.

Army Maj. Tom Fleener, who represents another detainee facing charges, said "there certainly will be some fallout from this. ... It's going to change everything from how people are held to interrogation techniques that are used to the types of information they can have or can't have."

Though ruling against the administration, the court took pains to show it was not taking the terrorist attacks lightly.

Justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the main opinion, said, "Americans will never forget the devastation wrought by these acts."

Justice Stephen Breyer, in a side opinion, said that Bush could fix some of the problems by going to Congress and that "judicial insistence upon that consultation does not weaken our nation's ability to deal with danger."

In a significant part of the ruling, the court said a law passed by Congress last year to limit lawsuits by Guantanamo detainees does not apply to pending cases like the one brought by Hamdan. That probably keeps alive suits on behalf of many detainees.

That may provide justices with a chance to revisit some of the major presidential power issues raised in Thursday's ruling.

bdfwinn
06-29-2006, 11:53 PM
The terrorists at Gitmo are not privileged to be covered by the G-Convention and they are not covered by our constitution. Mercenaries, as they are, are fighters without uniforms and countries. So in my mind they are subject to tribunals and specifically because the SCOTUS does not have Commander in Chief powers in war time.

That is just my opinion. Frankly speaking if we have extracted all the 411 from them that we can we should put them on a plane bound for their homeland.
Bill

ObiShawn
06-30-2006, 12:21 AM
Frankly speaking if we have extracted all the 411 from them that we can we should put them on a plane bound for their homeland.And then hit it with a Patriot missile. :D

larryl
06-30-2006, 01:12 AM
some of their homelands have revoked their citizenship. some are banned from returning. who will pay for the flights?

not saying we should keep them there....indeed, we shouldn't. most have been found to have nothing to do with anything going on. but the decisions must be made what to do with them.

Grank
06-30-2006, 06:37 AM
um... they're bad guys

NotMyOwn
06-30-2006, 06:15 PM
.......and bad guys belong in jail.

Joshua24:15
06-30-2006, 06:49 PM
I must say I'm slightly amused and exceedingly alarmed at some peoples attempts to apply our Constitution and Bill of Rights to non-citizens. I'm not sure they understand that our Constitution bestows rights only to citizens of the US. Not illegal aliens. Not prisoners of war. Barney is most definately excluded.

I know the Justices were quoting from the Geneva Convention, but all those statutes assume the prisoner is from a nation with which the detaining country is currently at war. The fine gentlemen being held at Gitmo either don't have a home nation, or have a home nation with which we are not at war. In either instance, this puts them into a category that is currently undefined within law. They aren't refugees. They aren't POWs or 'combatants'. Legally speaking, they don't exist. Since their status isn't defined by law, it's very difficult to know what to do with them.

If anyone has seen Tom Hanks in The Terminal, you'll know what I'm talking about.

I think the Justices are grossly over stepping their bounds in issuing this statement. The Supreme Court handles internal U.S. law and interpretations of the Constitution. Why the heck are they concerning themselves with international law??

However, I don't think military tribunal is the correct answer for the detainees either. They're certainly not U.S. military personnel, and while they might be 'soldiers' in a sense, according to the standard definitions of a soldier in international law, they're not.

I think the common sense solution is to treat them as any other rogue individual who is accused of international crime: world court. Sadly, they'll have to line up behind Sadam. In the mean time, we might as well keep them preserved for safe keeping.