Capital Punishment

[Mac wannabe]

How do we stand on it around here?

I know the litany of Bible passages people absent-mindly throw around to say its wrong..who has Scripture that says otherwise?


-Calvino

[ObiShawn]

Forgive my lack of commentary, I just feel the passage speaks for itself . . .


Rom 13:1-7
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
(NKJ)

[Mugirl04]

I think capital punishment is ok for murders

[TheBus36(Retired)]

I agree with it, especially if the individual has at one point in his lifetime run full on into a centerfield wall with absolutely no regard for his teammates.:eek:

[jrmitch]

Forgive my lack of commentary, I just feel the passage speaks for itself . . .That passage seems to be popping up around here a lot lately.......:D

I just want to add that the text notes in the NIV point out that at the time Paul wrote this Rome was governed by pagans, and Paul was reestablishing that believers couldn't use loyalty to Christ as a reason to disobey civil authority.

[jrmitch]

I agree with it, especially if the individual has at one point in his lifetime run full on into a centerfield wall with absolutely no regard for his teammates.:eek:But what if he caught the ball in the process, thus aiding his teamates cause? Is he then entitled to a pardon......:confused: ;)

[middletree]

That passage seems to be popping up around here a lot lately.......:D

I don't see how that passage applies to this subject.

I'm against the death penalty. You mentioned in your OP that you'd like to see Scripture that proves "otherwise." I'm not sure what otherwise means, but at any rate, I don't have Scripture that says that I think God's against it. I also don't see any which says He mandates it now, so I am using my God-given brain and making a choice.

[Grank]

i'm all for kill'n sum bad guys

[cheewiee]

I don't see how that passage applies to this subject.

I'm against the death penalty. You mentioned in your OP that you'd like to see Scripture that proves "otherwise." I'm not sure what otherwise means, but at any rate, I don't have Scripture that says that I think God's against it. I also don't see any which says He mandates it now, so I am using my God-given brain and making a choice.

Alright...

As some who enjoys a quite and peaciful life, I think the Death Penalty is a good thing...

However as a pro-life Christian, I view the Death Penalty as a bad thing...

This is one of those few instances where I know I have conflicting beliefs and cannot for the life of me reconcile them..

Let us not make the mistake of using the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultry as a point of discussion on this topic.

Why, you ask?

Here is why

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

Do you see the part I bolded and Italicied... I did that for a reason...

Under Roman law only the Roman government could execute people.. We see evidence of this when the Sanhedrin bring Jesus to Pilot. Pilot asks them why, cheif priests announce the intention to have him executed, but did not have the authority to do so...

So the Pharisees are trying to force Jesus' hand... If Jesus condemns her in accordance to the Law, they will have cause to bring Jesus before the Roman government... If Jesus sets her free, he is guilty of breaking the law...

So this act of mercy should not be seen as doctrine coming from Jesus concerning the death penalty...

Can it provide some insight, yes it can, but we cannot for certain using this text of scripture detirmine for sure a stance on the death penalty...

[TheBus36(Retired)]

But what if he caught the ball in the process, thus aiding his teamates cause? Is he then entitled to a pardon......:confused: ;)

Oh, most certainly!!!!!!:D

[TheBus36(Retired)]

i'm all for kill'n sum bad guys

It's probably a good think most everyone knows you. I can't imagine the people you must offend:D ;)

[Gandalf]

I don't see how that passage applies to this subject.
Verse 4 seems pretty applicable:
For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Executing wrath by "bearing the sword" certainly entails violent reprisal against those who "practice evil" (break the law). This was written during the Roman Empire, where particularly brutal executions were the norm, and Paul's saying that they're acting as God's ministers by carrying out such penalties. Some won't consider it a mandate, but it does indicate that capital punishment is acceptable.

[middletree]

Verse 4 seems pretty applicable:

Executing wrath by "bearing the sword" certainly entails violent reprisal against those who "practice evil" (break the law). This was written during the Roman Empire, where particularly brutal executions were the norm, and Paul's saying that they're acting as God's ministers by carrying out such penalties. Some won't consider it a mandate, but it does indicate that capital punishment is acceptable.
I absolutely agree that this and other verses make it acceptable to God.

But as you said, it's not a mandate. The way I'm reading it, we have the liberty from God to be against the DP. I am against it. And I vote accordingly when I can (which isn't very often, because in TX, almost everyone from both major parties are pro-DP). If I ever got on a jury and had such a decision to make, I'd never, under any circumstances, call for the DP. At least that's what I say now, not ever having been in that situation.

[cheewiee]

If I ever got on a jury and had such a decision to make, I'd never, under any circumstances, call for the DP. At least that's what I say now, not ever having been in that situation.

I guarantee you with your view you would NEVER EVER get on a Jury where the DP was a consideration....

(Animate objection to the DP is an easy OUT for jury duty...)

[middletree]

I guarantee you with your view you would NEVER EVER get on a Jury where the DP was a consideration....

(Animate objection to the DP is an easy OUT for jury duty...)
The way I understand it, prosecutors and defenders get a certain amount of strikes, where they can strike a person from a jury without giving a reason. If a defender finds out from the questionaire that I'm anti-DP, then he'll seek to include me, forcing the DA to decide if he wants to use up one of his strikes on me. So unofficially, it's a way out, I guess.


I learned all this from watching The Practice ;)

[cheewiee]

The way I understand it, prosecutors and defenders get a certain amount of strikes, where they can strike a person from a jury without giving a reason. If a defender finds out from the questionaire that I'm anti-DP, then he'll seek to include me, forcing the DA to decide if he wants to use up one of his strikes on me. So unofficially, it's a way out, I guess.


I learned all this from watching The Practice ;)

As I said... I really cannot reconcile my beliefs on the DP.. however I think I would be able to vote in favor of it, in executing the law of the land....

[TheBus36(Retired)]

I guarantee you with your view you would NEVER EVER get on a Jury where the DP was a consideration....

(Animate objection to the DP is an easy OUT for jury duty...)

You can also get out of jury duty, by saying you believe the defendant should receive the DP regardless of the offfense!!!;)

[ObiShawn]

But as you said, it's not a mandate. The way I'm reading it, we have the liberty from God to be against the DP. I am against it.The way I read it, Paul said we were to obey the governing authorities and as a consequence of disobeying, it can lead to the death penalty, for such cases that warrant it.

Now, as you have pointed out, there is no clear mandate in scripture that says we are to put people to death, no matter how horrible their crimes. We are forutnate enough to live in a society where we can vote our opinions. That is the way our governemt is set up and as such, our government currently instates capital punishment.

[middletree]

As I said... I really cannot reconcile my beliefs on the DP.. however I think I would be able to vote in favor of it, in executing the law of the land....
If you voted in favor or against it, you'd still be in compliance with the law. The law allows us to show mercy by giving someone a prison sentence instead of death.

[middletree]

The way I read it, Paul said we were to obey the governing authorities and as a consequence of disobeying, it can lead to the death penalty, for such cases that warrant it.


But there is no case which absolutely has to result in a death penalty. At least not in the US. I wouldn't be in violation of the law if I voted (on a jury) to sentence someone to life, or if I voted against the DP in an election. Our laws are made by citizens.

[ObiShawn]

But there is no case which absolutely has to result in a death penalty. At least not in the US. I wouldn't be in violation of the law if I voted (on a jury) to sentence someone to life, or if I voted against the DP in an election. Our laws are made by citizens.I agree, but the original question was this:

I know the litany of Bible passages people absent-mindly throw around to say its wrong..who has Scripture that says otherwise?
As I previously pointed out, Paul said we were to obey the governing authorities and our laws allow for the use of capital punishment.

My personal beliefs on the matter are that I do agrree with capital punishment, but only in cases where there is no hint of doubt about the guiltiness of the accused (whether through confession or DNA testing). I am even for the DNA testing of all who have been sentenced to death, even at the exspense of the tax payers, just to prove their guilt or innocence.

[middletree]

I agree, but the original question was this:

As I previously pointed out, Paul said we were to obey the governing authorities and our laws allow for the use of capital punishment.

I understand this. I'm not condemning anyone for exercising their right to vote (either in an election that would affect the DP or in a jury situation). I'm just saying that if I chose to avoide the DP in every situation, I would also be on solid Scriptural ground. The Lord has given us liberty in this.

[Valpo]

Forgive my lack of commentary, I just feel the passage speaks for itself . . .


this is key right here......if we have it, its biblically sound, if we dont, its biblically sound...even though the old testament says "an eye for an eye" we're also under authority of our govt so by that standard i wont be protesting either way

[kiwisongbird]

The scripture is one that totally confuses me and I don't think I will understand it this side of Glory... it will be right on up there with the one about the guy putting his daughters outside his house to be violated - I'll be asking the Lord about them....

If this scripture is true, then why get rid of Saddam?? He was the leader of the time....

If this scripture is true, then Ansarn Suchi, who is the democratically appointed leader (since late 80s I think ) of Myanmar should be rescued out of house arrest and the Generals should be removed by other countries or are the Generals appointed by God for this time and the people should just obey them?

Also, aren't there a large amount of black people on death row in America? Isn't it easier to get a repeal if you have lots of money and a good lawyer? It'd be interesting to look at the statistics on average wage of people who are executed by the state and those who 'get off'..... Just wondering :confused: :confused:

[Sharon]

...personally I think waxing should be considered as a new type of capital punishment..........:D

[ObiShawn]

If this scripture is true, then why get rid of Saddam?? He was the leader of the time....

If this scripture is true, then Ansarn Suchi, who is the democratically appointed leader (since late 80s I think ) of Myanmar should be rescued out of house arrest and the Generals should be removed by other countries or are the Generals appointed by God for this time and the people should just obey them? You misunderstand. Paul did not say that it is a biblical mandate to execute people, he said we were to obey the governing authorities. Here in America, capital punishment isn't outlawed therefore Romans 13 is very applicable. It may be different in the countries you mentioned.

Also, aren't there a large amount of black people on death row in America? Isn't it easier to get a repeal if you have lots of money and a good lawyer? It'd be interesting to look at the statistics on average wage of people who are executed by the state and those who 'get off'..... Just wondering :confused: :confused:You know, I have not seen any statistics on anything you've mentioned above, but that is a very broad generalization and from what I understand, not very factual. I'd love to see the statistics myself.

[Mac wannabe]

Let me clarify, I did not specifically mean scripture which say To Execute, but moreso anything that with some degree of clarity, says we Can Execute.

Also, regardless of the jury's recommendations, it is a judge who decides the sentence levied against a convicted offender,

-Calvino

[Mac wannabe]

The scripture is one that totally confuses me and I don't think I will understand it this side of Glory... it will be right on up there with the one about the guy putting his daughters outside his house to be violated - I'll be asking the Lord about them....

If this scripture is true, then why get rid of Saddam?? He was the leader of the time....

If this scripture is true, then Ansarn Suchi, who is the democratically appointed leader (since late 80s I think ) of Myanmar should be rescued out of house arrest and the Generals should be removed by other countries or are the Generals appointed by God for this time and the people should just obey them?

Also, aren't there a large amount of black people on death row in America? Isn't it easier to get a repeal if you have lots of money and a good lawyer? It'd be interesting to look at the statistics on average wage of people who are executed by the state and those who 'get off'..... Just wondering :confused: :confused:


What if your mother and father are alcoholics who slap you around and don't buy any food except for Cap'n Crunch? Does that mean you do not have to honor them as the commandment says to?
Just because the authority over you isn't Godly doesn't mean you do not have to respect its authoirity, and it doesn't excuse you from being subject to its judgement should you choose not to honor its edicts.

[kiwisongbird]

Obishawn, yeah I would love to see some statistics - I did make a broad generalisation, but would like to see statistics - where could we find them...

The fact that God says to obey the authority above you in that scripture - it does make me confused... every time I read it.

We were at one stage trying to help a Chinese Christian get over to New Zealand, desparately trying to find her employment - she was pregnant with her second child and had to have an abortion if she stayed in China - the authorities were onto her... you know what - we couldn't get her into NZ and she had to have an abortion because that was the law!

What I'm trying to ascertain is do we have to obey authority when it tells us stuff like that??

Many Americans rejoice over President Bush being their leader but didn't rejoice over President Clinton - yet if the scripture is true then shouldn't rejoicing and acceptance be the order of the day no matter who is the leader, cos they are God's chosen???? You can see why I'm confused can't you??

Myanmar is a terrible place to live for many people - ruled by a military Junta - Ansarn Suchi was elected by the people in a democratic way many, many years ago and has basically been under house arrest since then.... the confusing bit for me is this - is the Junta God's chosen or Ansarn Suchi??? How does this scripture fit it all in????? I don't know. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[maui sista]

So what....we just let killers run around killing and knowing that they will only get jail time for doing it???? Thats messed up.

I am all for the DP, people know that if they murder in the first degree that the punishment is death and I would hope that in knowing that it stop alot of people from killing.

I get really sick of people saying "OH poor Mr. Bla Bla" he is now going to be put to death for killing 35 woman! I say...YOU knew that that was the punishment for killing and you did it anyway...so death is your punishment.

I think that they should push it more.

Imo.
Sonja (sorry if i offended anyone)

[kiwisongbird]

Is it capital punishment when government soldiers kill women and children while they harvest their crops?

Is what Saddam did to his own people merely capital punishment as he was the authority at the time?

I really would love some answers on this stuff in light of the scripture - I am really confused.... :confused: :confused: and I really appreciate that you guys see things differently to me - at times your opinions do help me to sort stuff out :) :)

[Mac wannabe]

Obishawn, yeah I would love to see some statistics - I did make a broad generalisation, but would like to see statistics - where could we find them...

The fact that God says to obey the authority above you in that scripture - it does make me confused... every time I read it.

We were at one stage trying to help a Chinese Christian get over to New Zealand, desparately trying to find her employment - she was pregnant with her second child and had to have an abortion if she stayed in China - the authorities were onto her... you know what - we couldn't get her into NZ and she had to have an abortion because that was the law!

What I'm trying to ascertain is do we have to obey authority when it tells us stuff like that??

Many Americans rejoice over President Bush being their leader but didn't rejoice over President Clinton - yet if the scripture is true then shouldn't rejoicing and acceptance be the order of the day no matter who is the leader, cos they are God's chosen???? You can see why I'm confused can't you??

Myanmar is a terrible place to live for many people - ruled by a military Junta - Ansarn Suchi was elected by the people in a democratic way many, many years ago and has basically been under house arrest since then.... the confusing bit for me is this - is the Junta God's chosen or Ansarn Suchi??? How does this scripture fit it all in????? I don't know. :confused: :confused: :confused:


What if your mother and father are alcoholics who slap you around and don't buy any food except for Cap'n Crunch? Does that mean you do not have to honor them as the commandment says to?
Just because the authority over you isn't Godly doesn't mean you do not have to respect its authoirity, and it doesn't excuse you from being subject to its judgement should you choose not to honor its edicts.

[Mac wannabe]

Is it capital punishment when government soldiers kill women and children while they harvest their crops?

Is what Saddam did to his own people merely capital punishment as he was the authority at the time?

I really would love some answers on this stuff in light of the scripture - I am really confused.... :confused: :confused: and I really appreciate that you guys see things differently to me - at times your opinions do help me to sort stuff out :) :)


that wasn't capital punishment, that was premeditated murder.
Is it Right though just because he was the authority? No.

Paul never said the authorities would be right, merely that we must respect the fact they are the authorities

-Calvino

[Evanescence]

I was in the process of starting this thread....hehe...someone beat me to it...

Ok, here goes...

I have never been one to take some of the prophets and their wisdom or suggestions seriously. I don't feel we are completely bound by their teachings. Some yes, but most of their teaching is holy wisdom or suggestion. I don't feel we are bound by them...

But, biblically, the words used are MURDER and KILLING. Murder is the taking os an innocent life....self-defense or a person that dies by accident as a result of a tragic even isn't murder.

Neither is killing a murderer...

We have a sitation in this country where a corrupt judicial system can prosecute an innocent man with coersion and other tactics. Innocent people are railroaded into admitting guilt or confessions and are put on death row...or life in prison. This must change!!!!!!!!!!!!

Through the miracle of DNA we can PROVE who commited crimes.....so the tide is turning.....

But, what would the DP do for our country? I think a LOT. Send a message that you WILL die if you mess up and murder. If you mess up and kill someone because of a careless act...DUI, wreckless endangerment etc etc, your gonna spend time behind bars.

One appeal and thats it. None of this BS of tieing up the courts with appeals and crap. Commit murder, you will RIDE THE LIGHTENING!!!!

Death sentence; One year or so to appeal. Thats it. No appeal....you'll walk the last mile in 90 days. End of story.

All personal belongings of the person convicted will be sold at auction and given to the family of the VICTIM. No matter if they have a family or not. Perhaps the convicted person can work for a time and pay the family for their suffering....perhaps the family of the deceased can decide if he/she will work to make restitution...or if they get the chair right off.

This countrys laws are so laxxed its pathetic. There is NO accountability and it is just fueling more crime. All laws should be enforced and strict penalities handed down. Civil liberty and human rights groups need to shut their mouths and start caring about the VICTIMS.

It needs to come back to the VICTIMS and not the bad guys....

Any and all criminals that do a crime against a person should have to make restituation. Others should have to do work to pay their way....

Do the crime....do the time....:cool:

[Mac wannabe]

I was in the process of starting this thread....hehe...someone beat me to it...

Ok, here goes...

I have never been one to take some of the prophets and their wisdom or suggestions seriously. I don't feel we are completely bound by their teachings. Some yes, but most of their teaching is holy wisdom or suggestion. I don't feel we are bound by them...

But, biblically, the words used are MURDER and KILLING. Murder is the taking os an innocent life....self-defense or a person that dies by accident as a result of a tragic even isn't murder.

Neither is killing a murderer...

We have a sitation in this country where a corrupt judicial system can prosecute an innocent man with coersion and other tactics. Innocent people are railroaded into admitting guilt or confessions and are put on death row...or life in prison. This must change!!!!!!!!!!!!

Through the miracle of DNA we can PROVE who commited crimes.....so the tide is turning.....

But, what would the DP do for our country? I think a LOT. Send a message that you WILL die if you mess up and murder. If you mess up and kill someone because of a careless act...DUI, wreckless endangerment etc etc, your gonna spend time behind bars.

One appeal and thats it. None of this BS of tieing up the courts with appeals and crap. Commit murder, you will RIDE THE LIGHTENING!!!!

Death sentence; One year or so to appeal. Thats it. No appeal....you'll walk the last mile in 90 days. End of story.

All personal belongings of the person convicted will be sold at auction and given to the family of the VICTIM. No matter if they have a family or not. Perhaps the convicted person can work for a time and pay the family for their suffering....perhaps the family of the deceased can decide if he/she will work to make restitution...or if they get the chair right off.

This countrys laws are so laxxed its pathetic. There is NO accountability and it is just fueling more crime. All laws should be enforced and strict penalities handed down. Civil liberty and human rights groups need to shut their mouths and start caring about the VICTIMS.

It needs to come back to the VICTIMS and not the bad guys....

Any and all criminals that do a crime against a person should have to make restituation. Others should have to do work to pay their way....

Do the crime....do the time....:cool:


You complain that the judicial system railroads the innocent, but then you say only one appeal, you kill and you get killed, story over...that contributes to the railroading of innocents, though...

Its not an eye and an arm for an eye, its an eye for an eye....you take life adn your lfie will be taken. Taking their life in return adn then distributing their posessions is taking it farther than even the Old Testament punishment system, and that says a lot.


I do agree that human rights groups are pretty much full of crap and if they really feel that strongly about stopping executions, then they need to make their voices heard in Election Season.

-Calvino

[middletree]

So what....we just let killers run around killing and knowing that they will only get jail time for doing it???? Thats messed up.


You're usually more articulate than this. Are you sleepy? Serious question.

Back to your point: I don't argue that you can be for the DP, but your sentence above indicates that you think those of us against the DP are for letting "the killers run around killing" which is a misrepresentation of what I said, among others.

[middletree]

I get really sick of people saying "OH poor Mr. Bla Bla" he is now going to be put to death for killing 35 woman!

Huh?

[Mac wannabe]

Yes there are fanatics who get tv airtime saying crazy garbage about how we shouldn't be mad at the murderer/rapist because he doesn't deserve to die because God will damn the souls of his executors to hell for being so evil, just so news media outlets get better ratings...

I hope you are not stupid enough to believe that ,more than 2 percent of DP opposers think that way.

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Most people opposed to the death penalty are so because they don't see how we have any right to take another human being's life unless our own existence is directly threatened.

I personally support the death penalty, as long as the appeals process has been exhausted and the courts still find them to be guilty.

I do agree however, that the knowledge and fear of death as a punishment for certain crimes is probably the largest detterrant we have against the commission of those crimes,

-Calvino

[Gandalf]

I get really sick of people saying "OH poor Mr. Bla Bla" he is now going to be put to death for killing 35 woman!
Huh?
I think she means that most people protesting the death penalty try to portray the convicted murderers as nice people and stir up compassion for them; in reality, they're merely getting the penalty they deserve for what they did. I think she's right - many anti-death penalty activists (not all, but probably most of those that get press coverage) try to play to people's emotions and portray their position as more compassionate rather than arguing the actual issue.

[middletree]

I think she means that most people protesting the death penalty try to portray the convicted murderers as nice people and stir up compassion for them; ...I think she's right

Then you're both wrong. Anti-DP activists don't represent the view of most of us who are against the DP any more than Pat Robertson represents most Christians, or Jesse Jackson represents black people.

As for your comment about activists appealing to emotion, that statement can be said of activists who take just about any stand on any issue, including those who are pro-DP.

I can assure you that my stance against the DP is well-thought-out, and took several years. The emotions have long since died down. I respect people like yourself and others who likewise have thought it out and come to a different conclusion. But let's leave the extremist activists out of this.

[Buttabean]

If our justice system worked in the way its originators intended it to work, where everyone was considered innocent until someone proved otherwise, and there were no politics in deciding the fate of one of our fellow men, then maybe I'd go for it. There are times when--in cold, blatent, obvious judgements for someone who has committed the crime--I would go on and agree to it. But I believe we throw that punishment around too much. We are not the hand of God, so I don't think we should get to act like it in deciding who lives and who dies. I understand that's what the criminal has most likely done, but why punish him for killing someone by doing to him the same that he is being punished for? The "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" died when Jesus paid the price for all of us. Revenge is not ours. As much as we (and I) would like to think its our responsibility, I just can't in good conscience truly believe that. Just my opinion.

[Gandalf]

Then you're both wrong. Anti-DP activists don't represent the view of most of us who are against the DP any more than Pat Robertson represents most Christians, or Jesse Jackson represents black people.

As for your comment about activists appealing to emotion, that statement can be said of activists who take just about any stand on any issue, including those who are pro-DP.
I didn't say most people who oppose capital punishment... I said most people who protest against it, which by definition is the activists...
I can assure you that my stance against the DP is well-thought-out, and took several years. The emotions have long since died down. I respect people like yourself and others who likewise have thought it out and come to a different conclusion. But let's leave the extremist activists out of this.
I never disputed that you had thought out your view on the issue. My point was that it seemed she was referring to the activists who try to get people to feel sorry for those convicted and sentenced to death, as if they had done nothing to deserve their sentence.

[musicjaytee]

I voted confused as mixed. Scripturally, I don't know of any passage that condemns it, and many that essentially command it be done. However, I'm not sure I support it in our legal system. Yes, many criminals should be put to death instead of wasting our taxes. However, too many innocent people (or half of the crime team, since the other turned over on them) are being put to death.

No, I don't see anything wrong with capitol punishment itself. No, I don't support it in America.

[cheewiee]

However, I'm not sure I support it in our legal system.

There are certain crimes that should be punished by death.

Take Hitler, I for one would support his execution...

Those like Ted Bundy, Charlie Manson, BTK, Jeffery Dhamer, Timothy McVeigh are all types of people I belive should face the death penalty. In cases where guilt is ABSOULTY confirmed beyond just circumstansal evidence...

[musicjaytee]

There are certain crimes that should be punished by death.

Take Hitler, I for one would support his execution...

Those like Ted Bundy, Charlie Manson, BTK, Jeffery Dhamer, Timothy McVeigh are all types of people I belive should face the death penalty. In cases where guilt is ABSOULTY confirmed beyond just circumstansal evidence...
Agreed completely.

[middletree]

There are certain crimes that should be punished by death.

Take Hitler, I for one would support his execution...

Those like Ted Bundy, Charlie Manson, BTK, Jeffery Dhamer, Timothy McVeigh are all types of people I belive should face the death penalty. In cases where guilt is ABSOULTY confirmed beyond just circumstansal evidence...
That doesn't sway me. The fact that innocents people might be convicted was never one of my reasons. Actually, Bundy and Dahmer have something in common that does point to my reason for not supporting the DP.

[cheewiee]

Then your really not against the death penalty... Your just infavor for DP reform...

I almost think that there should be a higher level of proof of guilt required to make people get the DP..

Survelance video... actual witnesses... I know that guilt should be beyond a shadow of a doubt, but recent DNA admissions have proven the innocence of MANY people currently on Death Row...

[cheewiee]

Actually, Bundy and Dahmer have something in common that does point to my reason for not supporting the DP.

which would be what?

[middletree]

Then your really not against the death penalty... Your just infavor for DP reform...


Huh?

No, I'm quite sure I'm against putting people to death.

[cheewiee]

Huh?

No, I'm quite sure I'm against putting people to death.

I was talking to Musicjaytree.... sorry...

[musicjaytee]

Then your really not against the death penalty... Your just infavor for DP reform...

I almost think that there should be a higher level of proof of guilt required to make people get the DP..

Survelance video... actual witnesses... I know that guilt should be beyond a shadow of a doubt, but recent DNA admissions have proven the innocence of MANY people currently on Death Row...
That's why I voted confused. I'm not entirely sure I agree with the DP itself, however. I just recognize that there's nothing wrong with it according to scripture.

[Grank]

i like there to be the least amount of bad guys in the world as possible... whether that be by them turning to God or being put to death. I'm dark like that though.