Why I don't post tons of "proof" with my posts

[mikedevilsfan]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

[cheewiee]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

Obviously we don't get our news from Capitol Hill Blues....

[Mr.Elwood]

Ok… Give us your candidate to be the poster person of politics that is not a liar and scumbag..

Seems fair considering you are such an expert. I’m sure there is no way we could find anything “unseemly” about the person you deem worthy of your support..

[larryl]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.

Michael


mike..even the media gives us stats, quotes from people involved, something to back up what they are saying. why should we require less of someone making statements on a message board?

as far as polls, for every one that says one thing, you can find another saying the exact opposite.....

[mikedevilsfan]

Ok… Give us your candidate to be the poster person of politics that is not a liar and scumbag..

Seems fair considering you are such an expert. I’m sure there is no way we could find anything “unseemly” about the person you deem worthy of your support..
Well I liked Gephardt a lot he was pro life and anti Corporation.
Carter has some pretty good fruit. Gore and Edwards both work for the poor and not corporations. I am pretty sure your a better character than the criminals in office as well.
Michael

[mikedevilsfan]

mike..even the media gives us stats, quotes from people involved, something to back up what they are saying. why should we require less of someone making statements on a message board?

as far as polls, for every one that says one thing, you can find another saying the exact opposite.....

Ok Find me one that shows Bush is doing a good job on anything.
Also what would you like proof of specifically?>
Michael

[Mr.Elwood]

Well I liked Gephardt a lot he was pro life and anti Corporation.
Carter has some pretty good fruit. Gore and Edwards both work for the poor and not corporations. I am pretty sure your a better character than the criminals in office as well.
Michael
I’ll grant you Dick Gephardt since we don’t know much about him and he seems to be pretty mainstream (no one fits every category perfectly). Interesting note: since the pre-2004 election. There does not seem to be any real new news on him?

Gore is clearly a back-door dealing slimball like Bush and every other family legacy DC politician. His Munk-prayer-for-money deal and the selling of oil reserves (Occidental Petroleum) to his personal “blind” trust fund clearly shows he can get away with just as much insider trading as any other entrenched politician. So he is just a donkey with a different blanket on his back.

I’ll say Carter was, and still is, a great defender of domestic issue and the under-class in this country.. he was just a wreck on the world stage.. so on him it’s your choice as to what you’d rather have fixed.

John Edwards is someone that doesn’t have much of a record per-see so hard to choose. I think he is one of those unknowns that could go either way if given the chance in the big chair.. The republican machine did try to shred him, but didn’t seem to get to tarnished, so that’s a good sign. He lost because he was the under card. It would be interesting to see if he was the leader on a ticket how he would hold up.

I really don’t try to fall down party lines… (I was one of the traitors that put Boxer and Fienstien in office)I really try to keep it as close to morals and my foundational beliefs as I can before voting. Now if I get fooled and the person who earned my vote then becomes over-zealous and power mad… well not much I can do about it… I made my choice (Bush Twice – for lack of a better option in my mind) and now I’m not the happiest person in the world thinking about the amount of rebuilding to Christian credibility we are going to have to do after he leaves office. I just wish we could get a democrat alternative that didn’t try so hard to be hip to the current breeze of media polls and stuck to the 60’s and 70’s foundational democratic doctrine. Which I believe went something like “the citizens of this country, and their welfare, are our first and foremost responsibility. We cannot think of actions aboard until we have address these issues at home… ” or pretty close to that...

[mikedevilsfan]

Well, the people I mentioned whether you like them or not, are not murderers who stock their administration with thugs, thieves and liars who will all be in Jail soon.
Do a search on Edwards and see who he spends heis time with on his website.
Michael

[Evanescence]

The problem here really is that most people refuse to look past the 2 party system. And unfortunatly they follow their own agendas and will defend whomever as long as that person claims to stand up against or for it. Abortion is a clear example. Many Pro-life Christians say that Bush is pro-life, yet he has invaded a country on baseless and decietful info, and has caused the death of thousands, upon thousands. Democracy comes at a cost, they will say.

Further, if they consider themselves, "Liberal" or "Conservative" they vote for that party. The enemy, Satan, is playing in on our stupidity setting us all up for a fall. The division has set in.

We live in a country filled with lazy, spoiled people that are so busy with their own lives, that they are too preoccupied and/or dumb to see what is happening. A communist-like state is on the rise....the USA. People are so dense that they fall for the likes of the Animal Rights movement and their propaganda and flat out lies. But, becuase they are so out of touch, they don't stop to think that they are terrorists and their words are clearly set up to trigger an emotional repsonse. The same with the crap in Washington and even the State Govts.

Politcs and Govt is a haven for the corrupt. they are drawn to it and rather than defend them due to OUR agenda, we need to fight them until they are at least CLOSE to being righteous and are in it for the PEOPLE...not themselves.

Heck, we even had some folks on here so brainwashed that they said it wouldn't be a bad idea to be chipped....as in microships in humans, for health and/or financial reasons.

Remember what the bible says...."In the end times, wrong shall be right and right shall be wrong"

A well known preacher also said, "In the end times, truth and error shall pass as one."

I'll stick to my guns and voice my opinion (without links or proof, so people can argue and scoff) and continue to speak out on our corrupt Govt...Reps and Dems....

[ObiShawn]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

Ok, so you still didn't say why you don't post proof . . . .

[mikedevilsfan]

Ok, so you still didn't say why you don't post proof . . . .
Because most of what i post is common knowledge.
Michael

[ObiShawn]

Because most of what i post is common knowledge.
Michael

Oh, ok. Sorry, I didn't get that out of your first post.

I do agree that a lot of what you post is common knowledge, but that doesn't mean it is fact. I don't trust the media or newspaper near as much as you do.

[jwil59]

I'm not a huge Bush fan myself. However I fall far short of classifying him a murderer.

Mike, Are the 40 some odd democrats in the senate who voted for the war by reviewing the same intelligence Bush had murderers too? Or should I stick to car accidents as a basis to call them murderers.

I'm in the middle myself. Conservative on the social issues but more Liberal on economic issues. As for how to deal with the rest of the world, neither side has a clue if you ask me.

[Jesuslove]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.
Michael
Michael,
Much of America is out of touch. Much of America wants to accept Bush at face value: GWB: I'm a Christian, I'm fighting the War on Terror, God told me to do this... I agree with you.. people can't admit that the Bush presidency, particularly the second term, has been a big mistake.

[Mr.Elwood]

Michael,
Much of America is out of touch. Much of America wants to accept Bush at face value: GWB: I'm a Christian, I'm fighting the War on Terror, God told me to do this... I agree with you.. people can't admit that the Bush presidency, particularly the second term, has been a big mistake.
Just like liberals and democrats can’t admit the Clinton Administration sold the financial future of your children to banks and foreign investors for the sake of making the economic numbers and indicators look good during his terms.

Example: who was his economic expert who pushed for latitude in structure tax deals and “incentives” for Enron, Global Crossing, Hughes Aerospace (see China satellite scandal), to name a couple, and what bank was it the commerce department work closely with to get those “private company” deals done?? Here’s a hint… Robert Rueben and Citicorp .. guess where Robert works now??


So far you have blasted Bush several times and no one really argues that his choices are not going the way we hoped when we voted for him… so are you willing to admit that the Clinton Administration was crooked (stole billions in contracts to the ol’boy network of their own) and murdered people (Bosnia)?

[Kyle's dad]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

First of all I have noticed that the last few times I have posted to you have been insulting and somewhat beligerent and I apologize for that.

Having said that, dude you need to find a better and less insulting way to express yourself. When you begin your thread by saying that all of us on this board are out of touch with reality is it any wonder why people get beliegerent with you and why we ask for links?

If you weren't so condescending then we would probably be willing to accept a lot more of what you say at face value. I know, I know you have a sense of urgency and you're not interested in having a polite tea party and all that. But I don't see how that justifies the insulting and condescending nature of some of your posts. Does it really take that much more time to be a little more respectful?? I am not talking about a tea party I am just talking about common courtesy.

I get that you are passionate and you have a lot of concerns about some things that you see around you, and thats great. But whether you realize it or not, the people that post on this board are intelligent, thoughtful people and are not out of touch. They may not see every thing the way that you do, but does that make them out of touch?

[SacredHeart]

Without providing "proof" or stating your sources your comments are nothing more than urban legends passed down thru the internet. Yep, the kind that generally get deleted from my inbox.

If you're going to make an assertion about anyone or anything and you want us--people who don't know you and have no reason to believe you or the veracity of your statements--the burden of proof falls on you. Sorry, Mike, but that's the nature of the beast.

[Mr.Elwood]

the burden of proof falls on you. Sorry, Mike, but that's the nature of the beast.
Well stated Beast!:p

[SacredHeart]

Well stated Beast!:p
You certainly have a preternatural propensity towards derailing threads, don't you, Elrod! Well....DON'T TEMPT ME! I'm trying to behave for once! :p

[WeaselInYerFoot]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

So dealing with someone that is out of touch with reality is a viable reason to NOT post proof?

I always thought it was the other way around....

[Mr.Elwood]

You certainly have a preternatural propensity towards derailing threads, don't you, Elrod! Well....DON'T TEMPT ME! I'm trying to behave for once! :p
yeah... riight..:rolleyes:

I already bought the swamp land... what are you selling now?:p

[SacredHeart]

yeah... riight..:rolleyes:

I already bought the swamp land... what are you selling now?:p
Yeah...and it was pretty swamp land, just like I promised it would be, huh!!! :D


And in the interest of staying on topic....POST YOUR SOURCES, DOGGONIT!!! :D :p

[kh294God]

Oh, ok. Sorry, I didn't get that out of your first post.

I do agree that a lot of what you post is common knowledge, but that doesn't mean it is fact. I don't trust the media or newspaper near as much as you do.
i'd have to agree. the media likes to twist issues in the view that they won't you to have....the media tends to only report the bad issues even if the good issues outweigh the bad....the media is just as bad as hollywood...they know sex...murder...and anything else trashy sells so that's what they'll report...
pete

[Gandalf]

Well I liked Gephardt a lot he was pro life and anti Corporation.
Carter has some pretty good fruit. Gore and Edwards both work for the poor and not corporations. I am pretty sure your a better character than the criminals in office as well.
Michael
Gephardt pro-life? Early in his career, sure... but not in the last two decades. As soon as he had a chance to advance within the Democratic party nationally, he switched sides on that issue and moved far to the left. Certainly not a man of principle...

Either way, in recent years, he did a terrible job of representing the people in south St. Louis city/county. He was more interested in advancing his national political career, but was in too strongly Democratic (by tradition) an area to lose an election. Those of us in his district are thanking God he chose not to run for re-election in '04.

[mikedevilsfan]

First of all I have noticed that the last few times I have posted to you have been insulting and somewhat beligerent and I apologize for that.

Having said that, dude you need to find a better and less insulting way to express yourself. When you begin your thread by saying that all of us on this board are out of touch with reality is it any wonder why people get beliegerent with you and why we ask for links?

If you weren't so condescending then we would probably be willing to accept a lot more of what you say at face value. I know, I know you have a sense of urgency and you're not interested in having a polite tea party and all that. But I don't see how that justifies the insulting and condescending nature of some of your posts. Does it really take that much more time to be a little more respectful?? I am not talking about a tea party I am just talking about common courtesy.

I get that you are passionate and you have a lot of concerns about some things that you see around you, and thats great. But whether you realize it or not, the people that post on this board are intelligent, thoughtful people and are not out of touch. They may not see every thing the way that you do, but does that make them out of touch?
Try and take it in context for a minute.If we were on a level playing field say 10 years ago this kind of talk would be harsh, but I believe we are living in a fascist dictatorship with the fascists using Jesus as a tool to kill. This is why I comefrom such a sharp angle. And when I post- other Christians defend the fascists.
Michael

[mikedevilsfan]

Without providing "proof" or stating your sources your comments are nothing more than urban legends passed down thru the internet. Yep, the kind that generally get deleted from my inbox.

If you're going to make an assertion about anyone or anything and you want us--people who don't know you and have no reason to believe you or the veracity of your statements--the burden of proof falls on you. Sorry, Mike, but that's the nature of the beast.

What would you like proof for?
Michael

[mikedevilsfan]

Gephardt pro-life? Early in his career, sure... but not in the last two decades. As soon as he had a chance to advance within the Democratic party nationally, he switched sides on that issue and moved far to the left. Certainly not a man of principle...

Either way, in recent years, he did a terrible job of representing the people in south St. Louis city/county. He was more interested in advancing his national political career, but was in too strongly Democratic (by tradition) an area to lose an election. Those of us in his district are thanking God he chose not to run for re-election in '04.

http://www.issues2000.org/Dick_Gephardt.htm
Michael

[kh294God]

What would you like proof for?
Michael
they want proof to back whatever you are posting. (i have been down that road with some of the people on this board ;) ) you could say the moon isn't made of green cheese and some people would want proof. But then again with some of the far fetched posting that goes on on this message board (;) ) i don't blame that people wants proof. anyway i rumble on....;)

[mikedevilsfan]

they want proof to back whatever you are posting. (i have been down that road with some of the people on this board ;) ) you could say the moon isn't made of green cheese and some people would want proof. But then again with some of the far fetched posting that goes on on this message board (;) ) i don't blame that people wants proof. anyway i rumble on....;)

Ok well someone tell me what they want proven.
Michael

[kh294God]

Ok well someone tell me what they want proven.
Michael
are you reading this correctly....everything and anything you post basically.....i don't know.....i am not on here a lot anymore

[Howlin' Wolf]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

you dont post proof because all you have is liberal propaganda straw men

[middletree]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.

I don't have anything to comment on regarding your intent for this thread, as I have never gotten onto you for not having a link to back up your claims. I just want to comment on this statement. How do you know that people here are out of touch with reality? Many here, myself included, would say the same about yourself, when it comes to your more outlandish claims. These include, but are not limited to, the idea that Bush started a war to provide financial beneifts to his friends in the oil business. That idea alone is straight out of fantasy-land.

[Stinky Sam]

What is most out of touch with reality is somehow believing that this government is either the spawn of satan or God's gift to humanity.

No politician gets to the top without some unsavoury actions, but neither do they reach the top by being pure evil. Even Hitler was responsible for some excellent transport initiatives.

Mikedevilsfan, by throwing around words like facism and accusing people of being culpable you lose a lot of credibility, you would be better off being less emotive and more logical in your arguments. It doesn't matter how truthful you are, if you use words like those, no one cares what you have to say.

[bholdj]

Try and take it in context for a minute.If we were on a level playing field say 10 years ago this kind of talk would be harsh, but I believe we are living in a fascist dictatorship with the fascists using Jesus as a tool to kill. This is why I comefrom such a sharp angle. And when I post- other Christians defend the fascists.
Michael

why don't you go ahead and say bush and hitler are the same? I would prefer you not, hitler was responsible for 12 million jeiwsh deaths, 20 million russian deaths, etc. Bush can't hold a candle to either number during the Iraq war.

But it is obvious your greatfullness for the computer you have, the house/apt you pay for, and the stinkin country you live in are at an all-time low. Why are you living in bitterness instead of doing something about your feelings to the gov?

Sad indeed, i hope happiness finds you soon.

[bholdj]

First I have to say I am shocked at how out of touch this board is with reality.
I thought it was common knowledge that John Negroponte ran death squads during Reagan’s admin, that Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, that there is a NSA database of 200 million Americans etc. Where do you guys get your info from? Do you not read the paper or see the polls.
The president and his cronies are liars. Can't you just say "well I am a republican and don't agree with the things he does", but rather you all defend him to the death, which makes you culpable.



Michael

Were do i get my info from? Question is, were do you? Your info comes out of john kerry's memoirs im sure. :mad:

[musicjaytee]

Hate to re-hash old news, but I gotta reinforce what many people have said in many threads. It's not what you say, or even the fact that you speak out against Bush. It's the way in which you do so. If you come charging in, demanding everyone else to finally admit they're wrong, what do you expect in return?

If you'd pay more attention, youd' realize that there are many posts of people saying they disagree with Bush and what he's done, people who have recognized corruption in the republican party. Just because no one has said, "oh great Mike, you are so undeniably correct, I will no longer vote for any republican, I change my ignorant ways" doesn't mean that everyone missed your point, or is defending Bush to their death.

I didn't vote, I don't support Bush. However, I will defend him when someone attacks him on the grounds of "look what you stupid conservatives voted in". And, while I don't support Bush, I strongly believe that he was a better choice than Kerry.

If insult someone's intelligence, they will attack you. It's called a defense mechanism. You don't seem to like it when people attack you, so don't attack others. Simple as that.

[Kyle's dad]

Hate to re-hash old news, but I gotta reinforce what many people have said in many threads. It's not what you say, or even the fact that you speak out against Bush. It's the way in which you do so. If you come charging in, demanding everyone else to finally admit they're wrong, what do you expect in return?

If you'd pay more attention, youd' realize that there are many posts of people saying they disagree with Bush and what he's done, people who have recognized corruption in the republican party. Just because no one has said, "oh great Mike, you are so undeniably correct, I will no longer vote for any republican, I change my ignorant ways" doesn't mean that everyone missed your point, or is defending Bush to their death.

I didn't vote, I don't support Bush. However, I will defend him when someone attacks him on the grounds of "look what you stupid conservatives voted in". And, while I don't support Bush, I strongly believe that he was a better choice than Kerry.

If insult someone's intelligence, they will attack you. It's called a defense mechanism. You don't seem to like it when people attack you, so don't attack others. Simple as that.


Your wasting your time. He's been told this time and time again.

[Gandalf]

http://www.issues2000.org/Dick_Gephardt.htm
Michael
He did vote for the Partial Birth Abortion Ban (as did many other pro-abortion Congressmen). He also voted against making it a crime to harm a fetus in the process of committing another crime, voted against a ban on federal foreign aid through organizations that provide abortions, voted against a bill that would make it illegal to transport a minor across state lines to get an abortion, voted against funding any health providers that don't provide information on obtaining abortions... In 2003, he explained his change in position from pro-life to pro-abortion in a speech (http://www.gwu.edu/%7Eaction/2004/interestg/naral012103/geph012103spt.html) at the NARAL Pro-Choice America Dinner. He explicitly changed his position in 1986, and the only pro-life stance he's taken since then is opposing partial birth abortion.

[seeker]

Try and take it in context for a minute.If we were on a level playing field say 10 years ago this kind of talk would be harsh, but I believe we are living in a fascist dictatorship with the fascists using Jesus as a tool to kill. This is why I comefrom such a sharp angle. And when I post- other Christians defend the fascists.
Michael

From Dictionary.com

fas·cism Audio pronunciation of "fascism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.

1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.


Yep, sure sounds like Bush to me.

Granted, he is far from the best president this nation has seen, but to call him a facist? C'mon. And to say that we are living in a facist dictatorship?....Please.

And Mike, what you may take for common knowledge may not be that way with 99.9% of all people. It's actually good that people want proof, this shows that they are open to being WRONG. Proof is a GOOD thing, this way when you or someone else provides proof to something that supports what you are claiming, then it is up to the people to decide on what they think is fact.

Everything comes down to a point of view. I can yell and scream at a colorblind person that the sky is blue, but from the way he see's it, it's really red. So who is right? Untill I can provide him prove of my claim, how can I say that he is wrong and I am right? I know I am right, but how does he know that?

[bholdj]

From Dictionary.com

fas·cism Audio pronunciation of "fascism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.

1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.


Yep, sure sounds like Bush to me.

Granted, he is far from the best president this nation has seen, but to call him a facist? C'mon. And to say that we are living in a facist dictatorship?....Please.

And Mike, what you may take for common knowledge may not be that way with 99.9% of all people. It's actually good that people want proof, this shows that they are open to being WRONG. Proof is a GOOD thing, this way when you or someone else provides proof to something that supports what you are claiming, then it is up to the people to decide on what they think is fact.

Everything comes down to a point of view. I can yell and scream at a colorblind person that the sky is blue, but from the way he see's it, it's really red. So who is right? Untill I can provide him prove of my claim, how can I say that he is wrong and I am right? I know I am right, but how does he know that?

seriously, hes giving hitler wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to much credit :cool:

[Mac wannabe]

Here's how it goes:
If you want to be taken seriously you gotta do two things-
1.) Respect your audience or they will turn on you and it will be your own fault no matter how much you sob and cry. Don't insult them and don't question their grasp on reality because as soon as you do you are guilty of prideful ignorance, placing you in the wrong before anyone else ever opens their mouth no matter if your original statements are correct or not.

2.) If you make a statement, give SOMETHING to show its your statement not what some dingbat on the liberal news said last week. You know what statements or allegations are going to be sensitive, so dont try to start problems by ruffling people's feathers intentionally then pretending to feel hurt by their response. If you actually want a debate or to be listened to instead of tuned out, offer support for your claim and actually pretend you care about a debate and don't just wanna take one more chance to tell everybody else how smart you are and how dumb they are.
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I didn't follow these rules before. That's why people liek Gandalf probably considered me an hotheaded idiot.

Also, if someone makes big talk with little proof and ruffles your feathers, don't give them the chance to make a martyr of themselves by acting like a jerk in return. Read your post before you post it and ask yourself what response it will illicit and if you really wanna do that intentionally,

-Calvino Though Still Young But Not So Dumb

[Grank]

...so dont try to start problems by ruffling people's feathers intentionally...
silly goose, people don't have feathers

[Mac wannabe]

silly goose, people don't have feathers

they don't? hm...what if they live near a starbucks? The evil that permeates from that place could easily twist the genetic infrastructure of all who come near it if it so chooses,

-Calvino Who Believes Starbucks and Wal-Mart are Instruments of Satan

[Mugirl04]

silly goose, people don't have feathers
what about those who drink red bull lol jk

[musicjaytee]

they don't? hm...what if they live near a starbucks? The evil that permeates from that place could easily twist the genetic infrastructure of all who come near it if it so chooses,

-Calvino Who Believes Starbucks and Wal-Mart are Instruments of Satan
That is hysterical!!!!!!!!! Funny cause one of the Christian groups on my campus did a rip-off of the starbucks logo for their shirt!

[Mac wannabe]

When Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden and punished, it was because they went to Starbucks, and yet, they were so embarassed they made up this whole story about apples from the wrong tree and all...sad really.
I only know because, well, I know everything, thats that. :rolleyes:

-Calvino

[Grank]

what about those who drink red bull lol jk
do bats have feathers?

[Mugirl04]

do bats have feathers?
no.

[Grank]

no.
if red bull = wings
and wings != feathers
then red bull != wings

[Mugirl04]

if red bull = wings
and wings != feathers
then red bull != wings
true then bats must have feathers

[kiwisongbird]

red bull = Thai company :)