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Jesuslove
05-24-2006, 10:21 AM
For those of you who haven't seen this, click on the link below to read about Pat Robertson's claim that he can leg-press 2,000 pounds. I think this is a ton of something... The world record for the leg-press is 1,335 pounds held by a Florida college student. This is the kind of goofy stuff that causes Pat to lose all credibility with me. I can't believe this man has as many followers as he has.

Pat's claim:
http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/shake.asp


The CBS Sports Story about Pat's 'new' World record:
http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/9454343

kiwimobro
05-24-2006, 10:46 AM
Wow. He's pretty strong for an old dude :rolleyes:

middletree
05-24-2006, 10:52 AM
I'm guessing that it's a typo, since it's on the website, but nobody has any audio of this claim. I am a web designer, and I can tell you that typos do happen. I could very easily see it where they meant to type 200 instead of 2000. And it probably was a web designer or marketing person who put that in there. I seriously doubt that Pat himself types content onto his website. My company's CEO sure doesn't.

Evanescence
05-24-2006, 03:04 PM
Come on now guys...you underestimate the power of the lord...:o :confused:

He can predict Catastrophies in a single breath...

Leap tall tales with a few words....

Upset the Christian world with just a brief statement...

It's a bird, its a plane...

Oh, it's Pat Robertson...again. :confused: :rolleyes: :confused:

Mugirl04
05-24-2006, 03:16 PM
that's ridculous

middletree
05-24-2006, 03:58 PM
Come on now guys...you underestimate the power of the lord...:o :confused:

He can predict Catastrophies in a single breath...

Leap tall tales with a few words....

Upset the Christian world with just a brief statement...

It's a bird, its a plane...

Oh, it's Pat Robertson...again. :confused: :rolleyes: :confused:
That's the thing, though. If you want to slam Pat, then find genuine things that he actually did say. If he's given you enough ammunition, then you don't need to cite typos.

Gandalf
05-24-2006, 04:11 PM
This (http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/legpress_explanation.asp) doesn't look much like a typo...
How Pat Robertson Leg Pressed 2,000 Pounds

Pat Robertson worked out at the gym on an incline leg press machine with weights up to 570 pounds. Working with his physician, who was an amazing strength trainer, he worked up to 800 pounds, then 1,000 pounds. Then one day he was able to leg press 1,500 pounds one time. Then over the succeeding months, he trained with multiple reps of 1,200 pounds, 1,300 pounds, and 1,400 pounds.

One Saturday morning, his physician said, “I’ll get you bragging rights. Let’s go to 2,000 pounds.” Then he worked up multiple reps of 1,400 pounds, 1,500 pounds, 1,600 pounds, 1,700, pounds, 1,800 pounds and 1,900 pounds. When 2,000 pounds was put on the machine two men got on either side and helped push the load up, and then let it down on Mr. Robertson, who pushed it up one rep and let it go back down again.

Mr. Robertson warms up now at 500 pounds, and was shown on television with Kristi Watts doing 1000 pounds.
His doctor, by the way, has leg pressed 2,700 pounds. It is not nearly as hard as the authors of these reports make it out to be. We have multiple witnesses to the 2,000 pound leg press, plus video of the 10 reps of 1,000 pounds.

Jesuslove
05-24-2006, 04:24 PM
This (http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/legpress_explanation.asp) doesn't look much like a typo...
I have lifted weights for over 20 years. There is no way this man has leg-pressed 2,000 lbs.

Gandalf
05-24-2006, 04:26 PM
Agreed. I didn't say I believed it, just that it seems unlikely to be a typo.

Jesuslove
05-24-2006, 04:27 PM
That's the thing, though. If you want to slam Pat, then find genuine things that he actually did say. If he's given you enough ammunition, then you don't need to cite typos.
Pat has made enough claims to fill a book. My all time favorite though was God telling him to run for President. That was a classic! Funny though, his crushing defeat still didn't humble him.

How does he still have a following after making so many bogus claims? He's so "out there" it's almost like a version of Christian stand-up comedy.

jwil59
05-24-2006, 04:30 PM
I ain't messin' with the man if he can press a ton.

middletree
05-24-2006, 04:30 PM
This (http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/legpress_explanation.asp) doesn't look much like a typo...
Thanks. I agree that the typo theory doesn't apply here. Absolutely amazing.

middletree
05-24-2006, 04:34 PM
Pat has made enough claims to fill a book. My all time favorite though was God telling him to run for President. That was a classic! Funny though, his crushing defeat still didnt' humble him.

How does he still have a following after making so many bogus claims? He's so "out there" it's almost like a version of Christian stand-up comedy.
I don't know why he has such a following. When I grew up in the 70's, we watched him, and he didn't seem so out there.

I suspect that no matter how "out there" he is now, he probably started off as a very sincere man of God. Years of success has funny effects on people, and can open the doors to lots of lies whispered by the enemy, and in some cases, those lies sink in. I'm not putting Pat in the same category as David Koresh, but I think that's exactly what happened to him.

Ultimately, it makes me all the more amazed at Bill Graham, and how he has handled a phenomonally successful ministry for so long without putting the focus on himself.

ObiShawn
05-24-2006, 04:35 PM
Pat has made enough claims to fill a book. My all time favorite though was God telling him to run for President. That was a classic! Funny though, his crushing defeat still didn't humble him.

If God told him to run for president, that is not the same thing as God telling Pat that he would win the election. I'm not some great Pat supporter, I know very little about him in fact, I don't even know what his exact statement was. Maybe he did say that God told him he'd win the election if he ran. But from the sounds of things, it seems as though God only told him to run.

Jesuslove
05-24-2006, 04:41 PM
The more I think about it, Pat Robertson is like a christian (with a lower case 'c') clown. He gives non-believers a sense of righteousness. He belongs with Fred Phelps. Through their distorted messages, they both give the Christian community a bad reputation.


As for Billy Graham, I have all the respect in the world for him. I think he is sincere and his message isn't so politicized.

middletree
05-24-2006, 04:44 PM
The more I think about it, Pat Robertson is like a christian (with a lower case 'c') clown. He gives non-believers a sense of righteousness. He belongs with Fred Phelps. Through their distorted messages, they both give the Christian community a bad reputation.
I woudn't put him and Phelps together. Phelps is hateful. Pat is concerned about people, and I've never heard him say that God hates any group of people. I've heard him say that God caused fires or hurricanes to happen in an area because of regional sin, and I suppose you'd equate that with hate. I wouldn't.
And I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Pat Robertson. Time to go home..

Gandalf
05-24-2006, 04:47 PM
Yeah - Phelps is anti-Christian. Robertson is a little wacky, but not hateful. I wouldn't suggest following either necessarily, but they're not in the same category.

Howlin' Wolf
05-24-2006, 04:49 PM
Yeah - Phelps is anti-Christian. Robertson is a little wacky, but not hateful. I wouldn't suggest following either necessarily, but they're not in the same category.


robertson HATES arabs

Gandalf
05-24-2006, 04:52 PM
I haven't seen anything to support that... He certainly is harsh against Islam. But has he said anything about the Arabs as an ethnic group? Not saying he hasn't - I admittedly mostly ignore the guy - just would like to see evidence before simply accepting that statement as true since it's a pretty substantial charge.

Welcome back by the way :)

middletree
05-24-2006, 04:53 PM
robertson HATES arabs
Hello, Jason. LTNS

TheBus36(Retired)
05-24-2006, 05:50 PM
I'm sure this won't be hard for some of you, but wasn't he in the news (again) awhile back, and had to apologize, I just can't come up with the comment, but it was one along the lines that God hates................. and I just thought to myself when I heard it on WTOP, "is he really that stupid". Come on guys help me out here, please.

jwil59
05-24-2006, 05:55 PM
I'm sure this won't be hard for some of you, but wasn't he in the news (again) awhile back, and had to apologize, I just can't come up with the comment, but it was one along the lines that God hates................. and I just thought to myself when I heard it on WTOP, "is he really that stupid". Come on guys help me out here, please.


I think he said sumpin really "out there" about Islam

Gandalf
05-24-2006, 05:57 PM
The recent statement he was in hot water for was that assassination would be a good policy towards Chavez last August.

jwil59
05-24-2006, 05:59 PM
Here's a couple of quotes:

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'" --from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.



"The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, Dec. 30, 1981

TheBus36(Retired)
05-24-2006, 06:00 PM
The recent statement he was in hot water for was that assassination would be a good policy towards Chavez last August.

I was just getting ready to come back in here. He made the statement that God was punishing Ariel Sharon (?) when he had his stroke. I am so disappointed in myself. How could you forget a stupid comment like that. I don't remember the Chavez statement. I guess there are so many of them, we miss some.:rolleyes: Thanks.

jwil59
05-24-2006, 06:02 PM
The recent statement he was in hot water for was that assassination would be a good policy towards Chavez last August.

Yeah that's his latest:

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

Gandalf
05-24-2006, 06:04 PM
I was just getting ready to come back in here. He made the statement that God was punishing Ariel Sharon (?) when he had his stroke. I am so disappointed in myself. How could you forget a stupid comment like that. I don't remember the Chavez statement. I guess there are so many of them, we miss some.:rolleyes: Thanks.
Yeah, there was that too. Forgot about that one. There really is no shortage...

TheBus36(Retired)
05-24-2006, 06:06 PM
Yeah, there was that too. Forgot about that one. There really is no shortage...

Nope, not at all. That is so funny. Not really, but it is, you know?

TheBus36(Retired)
05-24-2006, 06:09 PM
Yeah that's his latest:

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

Ugh!!!!!!! Well, I certainly can see how the right-wing American press misquoted the fine Reverend during his speech on love your brother, as I have loved you.:rolleyes:

Thanks man.

jwil59
05-24-2006, 06:10 PM
Does anyone watch the 700 Club?

Does he teach the truth? I have never heard the man teach.

Evanescence
05-24-2006, 08:00 PM
Billy Graham=Saint

Pat Robertson=Fool

Simon Cowell=Satan

Seacrest=Out

Jesuslove
05-24-2006, 10:38 PM
I woudn't put him and Phelps together. Phelps is hateful. Pat is concerned about people, and I've never heard him say that God hates any group of people. I've heard him say that God caused fires or hurricanes to happen in an area because of regional sin, and I suppose you'd equate that with hate. I wouldn't.
Yes, Pat Robertson spouts HATE too... He is a fool and a hateful man.

Jesuslove
05-24-2006, 10:41 PM
Yeah - Phelps is anti-Christian. Robertson is a little wacky, but not hateful. I wouldn't suggest following either necessarily, but they're not in the same category.
Not hateful? he called for the assissination of the publicly elected President of Venezuela. Although Phelps preaches hate, I've never heard him tell followers he wished someone was dead...
Furthermore, despite being on tape, Pious Pat went on to deny it.

cheewiee
05-24-2006, 11:30 PM
Not hateful? he called for the assissination of the publicly elected President of Venezuela. Although Phelps preaches hate, I've never heard him tell followers he wished someone was dead...
Furthermore, despite being on tape, Pious Pat went on to deny it.

He didn't call on the assasiniation of a publicly elected leader.. His coment while grossly innappropriate, when viewed in conctext was in fact tounge in Cheek.. The problem is Christians in public places shouldn't be making tounge in cheek comments about foreign leaders, but non the less... He didn't mean what he said...

Gandalf
05-25-2006, 09:53 AM
Mr. Robertson certainly says some stupid things, but I'd be careful about calling him a fool... namecalling is no better when discussing a public figure than when the person's here in the conversation.

I'm not sure what exactly the point is in discussing his credibility at all right now. (Did he say something again recently? Is someone using statements of his to support an argument?) But let's at least keep it respectful. We all seem to agree his statements are a bit out there, but that's no excuse to start calling him names.

Gandalf
05-25-2006, 09:55 AM
Not hateful? he called for the assissination of the publicly elected President of Venezuela. Although Phelps preaches hate, I've never heard him tell followers he wished someone was dead...
Furthermore, despite being on tape, Pious Pat went on to deny it.
He apologized for it, but didn't deny having said it. He may, at some point have denied having meant it... not sure.
"Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement," Robertson said. "I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."
source (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/)

TheBus36(Retired)
05-25-2006, 10:31 AM
Mr. Robertson certainly says some stupid things, but I'd be careful about calling him a fool... namecalling is no better when discussing a public figure than when the person's here in the conversation.

I'm not sure what exactly the point is in discussing his credibility at all right now. (Did he say something again recently? Is someone using statements of his to support an argument?) But let's at least keep it respectful. We all seem to agree his statements are a bit out there, but that's no excuse to start calling him names.

Does that mean we have to be adult now!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

jwil59
05-25-2006, 11:21 PM
I'm growing older but not up,
My metobolic rate is pleasently stuck............

Help me out here Larry.....

jwil59
05-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Anyone see Anderson Cooper tonight. I didn't either but a guy I work with said he saw it in the lobby and they had a tape of Pat pressing 1000 pounds. The one-ton lift isn't on tape but they claim to have 10 witnesses. LOL

Jesuslove
05-29-2006, 07:21 AM
Anyone see Anderson Cooper tonight. I didn't either but a guy I work with said he saw it in the lobby and they had a tape of Pat pressing 1000 pounds. The one-ton lift isn't on tape but they claim to have 10 witnesses. LOL
no he pressed 2,000 lbs. and he swears he did it.. it's about 33% higher than the world record... YEAH RIGHT!

bholdj
05-30-2006, 10:56 AM
no he pressed 2,000 lbs. and he swears he did it.. it's about 33% higher than the world record... YEAH RIGHT!


I like how gandalf posts a source and a valid rebuke of your assertion that Robertson preaches hate, and you backpedal faster than Micheal Vick from a blindside blitz to the leg press garbage.

Robertson and Phelps are not on the same planet, Phelps and his cronnies can rot in hell for all i care. Watch his "followers" come to Lubbock and shout 100 different horrible things to my father while dad is on his knees praying for them!, and you see the reality that demon posession does exists. While dad does not agree with allowing a gay minister to preach to a Congergation, he cannot stand people like phelps who are so full of hate they can't see straight. I was watching dad that day sit in front of the protesters and pray, his spirit, and his incredible sense of calm in front of such horrible people was the first time I gave the gay minister issue a second thought, thinking that perhaps there can be disagreement and love instead of all hate on a theological issue.

As for Robertson, he is not my favorite, but I will listen to him anyday of the week and twice on sunday over Phelps.

TheBus36(Retired)
05-30-2006, 12:37 PM
I like how gandalf posts a source and a valid rebuke of your assertion that Robertson preaches hate, and you backpedal faster than Micheal Vick from a blindside blitz to the leg press garbage.

That would be an extremely fast safety or corner coming from the opposite direction (from behind) in which the young Vick would be, at that time, looking the opposite way.

Just trying to help a brother out with the visuals;)

bholdj
05-30-2006, 01:49 PM
That would be an extremely fast safety or corner coming from the opposite direction (from behind) in which the young Vick would be, at that time, looking the opposite way.

Just trying to help a brother out with the visuals;)

to top it off, it happens to be the hardest hitting saftey in football, John Lynch :cool: .

WeaselInYerFoot
05-30-2006, 02:09 PM
This thread has been hijacked! Oh noes!

I blame Bush.

bholdj
05-30-2006, 02:11 PM
This thread has been hijacked! Oh noes!

I blame Bush.

dude, reggie bush didn't even graduate :D :cool: :confused:

Jesuslove
05-31-2006, 11:59 AM
I like how gandalf posts a source and a valid rebuke of your assertion that Robertson preaches hate, and you backpedal faster than Micheal Vick from a blindside blitz to the leg press garbage.

Robertson and Phelps are not on the same planet, Phelps and his cronnies can rot in hell for all i care. Watch his "followers" come to Lubbock and shout 100 different horrible things to my father while dad is on his knees praying for them!, and you see the reality that demon posession does exists. While dad does not agree with allowing a gay minister to preach to a Congergation, he cannot stand people like phelps who are so full of hate they can't see straight. I was watching dad that day sit in front of the protesters and pray, his spirit, and his incredible sense of calm in front of such horrible people was the first time I gave the gay minister issue a second thought, thinking that perhaps there can be disagreement and love instead of all hate on a theological issue.

As for Robertson, he is not my favorite, but I will listen to him anyday of the week and twice on sunday over Phelps.
No backpedaling going on here. You are right, Robertson and Phelps are not on the same planet. I think Robertson is worse in many ways. People know Fred Phelps is a loon. Since Pat Robertson is portrayed as more mainstream, he is therefore more dangerous. He scares me. He speaks for the Christian community and often speaks in un-Christian ways as in calling for the assasination of a foreign leader. As you know, he later denied it, until he was confronted with the tape. So he lied too. I have no respect for the man.

cheewiee
05-31-2006, 01:16 PM
No backpedaling going on here. You are right, Robertson and Phelps are not on the same planet. I think Robertson is worse in many ways. People know Fred Phelps is a loon. Since Pat Robertson is portrayed as more mainstream, he is therefore more dangerous. He scares me. He speaks for the Christian community and often speaks in un-Christian ways as in calling for the assasination of a foreign leader. As you know, he later denied it, until he was confronted with the tape. So he lied too. I have no respect for the man.

I never saw anything that said he denied it... Everything I saw regarding the matter said he ment it tounge in cheek and that it was taken out of context.... Do you have any proof to the contrary?

bholdj
05-31-2006, 01:18 PM
No backpedaling going on here. You are right, Robertson and Phelps are not on the same planet. I think Robertson is worse in many ways. People know Fred Phelps is a loon. Since Pat Robertson is portrayed as more mainstream, he is therefore more dangerous. He scares me. He speaks for the Christian community and often speaks in un-Christian ways as in calling for the assasination of a foreign leader. As you know, he later denied it, until he was confronted with the tape. So he lied too. I have no respect for the man.

At best, Robertson's antics gain the support of the Christian AARP club, Phelps antics have the ability to start a riot. His croonies almost did in Lubbock, never seen anybody so furious in my whole life.

Gandalf
05-31-2006, 01:20 PM
If you look back to the article I posted (where he apologized), he had initially denied saying that Chavez should be assassinated, claiming (and quite possibly believing) that he'd instead said he should be "taken out." It's not strong enough for me to be able to say he was lying; he could have honestly thought he worded it slightly differently than he had. I don't know.

He's not someone I really pay any attention to for the most part. Just a man who's gotten to the age where he speaks his mind a bit too plainly and says stupid stuff...

Jesuslove
05-31-2006, 03:04 PM
At best, Robertson's antics gain the support of the Christian AARP club, Phelps antics have the ability to start a riot. His croonies almost did in Lubbock, never seen anybody so furious in my whole life.
Everyone knows Phelps is insane. Robertson, is somewhat believeable, yet he's off the deep end as well. Therefore, Mr. Robertson is much more of a threat. Here of some of good 'ol Pat's more noteworthy quotes.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/revpat.htm

bholdj
06-01-2006, 12:07 AM
Everyone knows Phelps is insane. Robertson, is somewhat believeable, yet he's off the deep end as well. Therefore, Mr. Robertson is much more of a threat. Here of some of good 'ol Pat's more noteworthy quotes.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/revpat.htm

The link was huge, so i will be brief.

Most of those quotes are hogwash. Im not for church and state unification (would hate to follow the path of orthodox russia), nor am I beliving the garbage that christians are being persecuted, an assertion that has to make christians in the middle east and china furious,yet thats another argument.

I will say that a large amount of his quotes have the potintial to sway individuals. But at the end of the day, i believe people pass him off as a hasbeen who has served God well, but has no clout in christian circles today.

Jesuslove
06-01-2006, 08:20 AM
The link was huge, so i will be brief.

Most of those quotes are hogwash. Im not for church and state unification (would hate to follow the path of orthodox russia), nor am I beliving the garbage that christians are being persecuted, an assertion that has to make christians in the middle east and china furious,yet thats another argument.

I will say that a large amount of his quotes have the potintial to sway individuals. But at the end of the day, i believe people pass him off as a hasbeen who has served God well, but has no clout in christian circles today.
I guess we all have opinions. I've followed what he has said over the years and some things have been crazy talk.

bholdj
06-01-2006, 10:31 AM
I guess we all have opinions. I've followed what he has said over the years and some things have been crazy talk.

but does that talk make him dangerous? Even the President rebuked him after he stated that 9/11 was due to America falling away from God.

Jesuslove
06-01-2006, 10:46 AM
but does that talk make him dangerous? Even the President rebuked him after he stated that 9/11 was due to America falling away from God.
it does to me because many people listen to him. That's dangerous.

bdfwinn
06-01-2006, 11:29 AM
Every time Pat Robertson opens his mouth I cringe. I wait to hear what nonsense will roll off his tongue. I think that the man has become looney. You can't say all of the hateful things he says and not be wither looney or plain evil. I'll give him the benifit of the doubt and say he is looney.

Sometimes when I hear about some stupid thing he said I just want to call him up and say, "You know some Christians are actually trying to DRAW sinners to the Lord, not drive them away!"

Well that's my Pat rant.

Bill

musicjaytee
06-01-2006, 12:31 PM
The link was huge, so i will be brief.

Most of those quotes are hogwash. Im not for church and state unification (would hate to follow the path of orthodox russia), nor am I beliving the garbage that christians are being persecuted, an assertion that has to make christians in the middle east and china furious,yet thats another argument.

I will say that a large amount of his quotes have the potintial to sway individuals. But at the end of the day, i believe people pass him off as a hasbeen who has served God well, but has no clout in christian circles today.
Wow. I admit to taking the victim mentality when it comes to being a Christian in America, but I would NEVER say that we are actually being persecuted (unless I knew the person I was speaking with understood what I mean when I refer to persecution in America).
Unity of church and state.....sounds like the beginnings of a world government and uniting of all nations. Could he be the BEAST!?!?!?!?! ;)

Is there a site of his (not just selections someone took) where I can read about the things he says? I'm not familiar with this guy cause I don't pay attention to televangelists in any way.

bholdj
06-01-2006, 12:54 PM
it does to me because many people listen to him. That's dangerous.

listen and laugh maybe... :D

I see your point. The man has mass media resources at his finger tips, for some reason he gets invited to stations like MSNBC to give interviews, etc. Unfortunatley, some individuals are naive enough to actually take what he says for granted.

Thankfully, God still has a say in the issue right :D ?

cheewiee
06-01-2006, 01:05 PM
listen and laugh maybe... :D

I see your point. The man has mass media resources at his finger tips, for some reason he gets invited to stations like MSNBC to give interviews, etc. Unfortunatley, some individuals are naive enough to actually take what he says for granted.

Thankfully, God still has a say in the issue right :D ?

He has his resources and gets invited on MSNBC, CNN and FOXNEWS because he is contriversal...

Aside from obligitory precrusade appearances on Larry King Live, have you ever seen of, heard of, MSM discussing Billy Graham, or the BGEA?

To me Franklin Graham is far more of an influencial figure in Evangelical Christianity, and the only comments of his that get ANY play are the ones that talk about Islam being an evil religion...

bholdj
06-01-2006, 01:22 PM
To me Franklin Graham is far more of an influencial figure in Evangelical Christianity, and the only comments of his that get ANY play are the ones that talk about Islam being an evil religion...

I know, his fathers sermons get played over and over again on TBN, not Robertson.

For the record, i can't stand TBN and its golden chairs, big hair, etc. I watch it evrey once in a while to see Graham, get a good laugh :D

Grank
06-01-2006, 01:33 PM
leg pressing 2k lbs on an inclined machine isn't all that hard. i can do 1k and i only do my inclined leg press after squats. i usually only do about 700-850 though cuz my knees hurt if i do much more than that. personally, i don't think pat robertson pressed 2k on an inclined machine, but it's not like it's insanely far fetched.

Jesuslove
06-01-2006, 01:54 PM
leg pressing 2k lbs on an inclined machine isn't all that hard. i can do 1k and i only do my inclined leg press after squats. i usually only do about 700-850 though cuz my knees hurt if i do much more than that. personally, i don't think pat robertson pressed 2k on an inclined machine, but it's not like it's insanely far fetched.
I think the world record is 1,355 and it was done on a modified rack as normal weight training equipment couldn't handle this weight.

Grank
06-02-2006, 10:59 PM
I think the world record is 1,355 and it was done on a modified rack as normal weight training equipment couldn't handle this weight.
no way that's right. you don't even use a rack for an inclined leg press.

here's the only video i could find of a guy doing over 2k. it's ronnie coleman. he's a big guy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uSNvEpH2L...colem an%202300

middletree
06-12-2006, 09:27 AM
Turns out that Pat wasn't doing a real leg press. Here's his video.

http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/shake.aspx

Guess I was wrong when I alleged it was a typo.