Planet X

[Aenon]

Have you guys heard of Planet X? What do you think? Could it be the reason for all the crazy weather changes we have had of late? Increase in Earthquakes,tsunami, major hurricanes? What is your take?

[Aenon]

It is supposedly, a planet called Nibiru is the 10th planet of the solar system, with an elliptical orbit that only brings it home every 3600 years.

[Aenon]

I mean I don't believe in little green men or anything...but, could this planet possibly exist without the little green men? Obivisously if it exist, God made it and maybe he will use it in the end times to fulfill his word. It is supposed like have a tremendous gravitational pull and the closer it gets to earth the more it like, messes up our weather. Does anyone have any thoughts?

[mcgreen311]

Is anyone officially claiming that it does exist? My search didn't seem to yield any reliable sources.

[Sam!]

Even if it exists, it would have to be extremely massive to have any effect at that distance... I've not heard of any evidence that gravitational forces can impact hurricanes and earthquakes (the tsunamis fall under earthquake as one phenomenon causes the other). Contrary to what many in the media have ignorantly stated, we have had hurricane seasons similar to this just a few decades ago. In addition, we've only been able to monitor them for so long and until recently, technology wasn't terribly great. So...

[Healing Oil]

Yes, I am from there :)

There is this little magic trick/game that only I and a few close friends know the secret to (it drives people up the wall because the trick is right under their nose, but it's seemingly too dificult to figure out). Anytime someone asks me how to do it, I just say "Im from the Planet X, and only natives to the planet have the power".

I never knew it was actually a real topic of controversy, lol :confused:

[Aenon]

Yes, I am from there :)

There is this little magic trick/game that only I and a few close friends know the secret to (it drives people up the wall because the trick is right under their nose, but it's seemingly too dificult to figure out). Anytime someone asks me how to do it, I just say "Im from the Planet X, and only natives to the planet have the power".

I never knew it was actually a real topic of controversy, lol :confused:

Ha! How funny! Sometimes, I feel as though I am from another planet. At least that is how some people look at me sometimes. I guess I look at the world in a different way than they do.

[ShineHits]

Thats different if you feel like you are in a other planet. It reminds me of smallville.

[steffen]

I am just like... the alien...

*does funky space dance*

[matt15]

maybe that was the planet that brought us the funk?

[ChristChild]

I have never read this book, but I ran across one on the topic:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594674027/ref=lpr_g_1/002-6093643-0175217?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

http://www.xulonpress.com/bookstore/titles/1594674027.htm

The second link has a book and author summary.

[HotWireD]

Even if it exists, it would have to be extremely massive to have any effect at that distance... I've not heard of any evidence that gravitational forces can impact hurricanes and earthquakes (the tsunamis fall under earthquake as one phenomenon causes the other). Contrary to what many in the media have ignorantly stated, we have had hurricane seasons similar to this just a few decades ago. In addition, we've only been able to monitor them for so long and until recently, technology wasn't terribly great. So...

I agree with Cap'nSisko it would have to be massive - big enough to have been detected by astronemers by now.

The orbits of the planets indicate that all the largest satellites around the Sun have been accounted for. There may still be smaller satellites not yet detected that account for the small variations in orbits of the known planets. A very large (massive) planet would have to be a very long way away.

That does not mean it does not exist - it may have a very long (timewise) and very distant orbit taking it far far away. If this is the case it is not effecting the climate of the Earth.

However..., it could, if this is the case, mean that it may cause problems later on (a long time later on) as an orbit where it comes whizzing from far out towards the Sun could cause strong gravitational effects on the planets as it passes by) - your comment about the end times.....

This is, of course, if there is a very massive planet far out that has not been detected (which, in my opinion, is highly unlikely, but not impossible).

As far as the climate changes we are getting at the moment.

The most likely explanation for the climate change is the alteration of the Gulf Stream and Global Warming. The majority of scientists accept this as the favourite explanation.

However, as a previous comment by Cap'nSisko states, we do not have complete records of the climate for the past thousands of years. Accurate accounts begin less than an hundred years ago, so any long regular variations over a long period may have gone unnoticed.

Even the accurate observations are not that accurate in some of the important areas of measurements (we were not measuring in the depths of the oceans and on the heights of the mountains up until very recently (the last twenty or thirty years)).

The planet is warming - FACT - if it is a permanent long term effect, or a regular, effect, I do not know.

As to the cause, emmisions of carbon dioxide are suspected. Pollution is also a factor.

As long as we continue our industrialisation, we will not be able to find out the cause of global warming for sure - only by stopping the emmisions of carbon dioxide and the pollution would we be able to see if there is any change.

It would be ironic if we stoped all our industry, got rid of all our cars, stopped our chemical and pharmaceutical industries to save the planet, only to find that it was a natural phenomena that will pass without our assistance.

Then again, it would be a tragedy if our modern industrial processes were to blame and we did nothing about it until it was too late - never mind, we could always live underground for a couple of hundred years while it all goes away (well, the privilidges few would be able to afford to do so, the rest of us would have to blister and freeze and burn and suffocate on the surface).

A commentator for the US government, on the BBC World Service recently stated that the Kyoto Agreement was a great idea, that Global Warming was a fact that could not be discounted any more, and that ALL the countries of the world should follow the Kyoto Agreement and reduce polluting emissions to save the atmosphere from becoming too polluted. Except the United States, who should be able (if every one else reduces their emissions) to continue polluting as they do already - I nearly crashed my car when I heard that.

My personal opinion is that Global Warming is effecting our environment, people are suffering, as are our fragile environments throughout the world.

If we are to blame, serves us right if we suffer.

If we are not to blame, well, catastrophes occured throughout history, why should we not have one too?

[HotWireD]

Global warming is 90% pork. There is more evidence for global cooling than warming. Global warming is becoming a liberal term that simply means "August."

As for little green men on Planet X, I've seen the same thing on conspiracy theory sites, claiming that in the end times the sons of the Nephilim will descend from X and do something. I don't remember what; but it was just another gloom and doom prediction.


I agree, 'Global warming' is a misnomer, what is actually happening is that the weather patterns are changing, but the press have latched onto the words 'global warming'. That does not mean that we do not have a problem with weather conditions (for whatever reason and cause).

As to 'Planet X', I remember at University our lecturer explaining the theories for the extinctions that have occured over the ages.

He mentioned that there were at least ten theories around, one of which was 'Planet X'. That was all he said about it - that there was a theory. I assume that he did not hold it very high in the list of theories, and that if we wanted to know more we could always 'go to the library and find out for ourselves'.

[mercyGurl]

Global warming is 90% pork. There is more evidence for global cooling than warming. Global warming is becoming a liberal term that simply means "August."


ROTFL. That was great. And very, very true.

[ibanez_player]

ROTFL. That was great. And very, very true.
i agree.

[coldcupofjoe]

I agree, 'Global warming' is a misnomer, what is actually happening is that the weather patterns are changing, but the press have latched onto the words 'global warming'. That does not mean that we do not have a problem with weather conditions (for whatever reason and cause).

I have a book for you to read, 'State of Fear' by Michael Crichton.

[HotWireD]

I have a book for you to read, 'State of Fear' by Michael Crichton.

Thank you, I will get a copy and read it. Michael Crighton is very good at writing about nonsense science.

I browsed a site about the book but all it was about was Eugenics. The logic of the site was completely crazy - 'Eugenics was wrong, therefore Global Warming is wrong'. I see no logic in that at all. lol.

You may have misread my post - I never said that Global Warming was a real threat to the planet. I said that there is a weather change, but it may be a regular (common) thing that occurs frequently throughout the planet's history, agreeing with a previous post that stated (correctly) that the record we have are not very complete/accurate.

I, personally, although not a weather scientist, have studied science and keep up with the reports and papers that come out on this issue.

Every country in the world now believes that we should do something about this issue, even if 'just in case there is a problem'.

I suppose we could just wait and see who is right and who is wrong. Then whoever is right can say 'I told you so'.

I personally, also do not worry about this issue. We could do with a scare like this to get our act together. We do not own this planet and whether or not this is a problem, we do treat the planet dismally.

[coldcupofjoe]

I was not actually trying to argue with you. The book talks about, and VERY scientifically I might add there is a whole lot of research done on the subject by Crichton this time, about how bunk the whole 'global warming' scare really is. We have NO proof the world is warming up, we have NO proof we're losing our glaciers, we have NO proof the ocean level is rising. And he provides an annotated bibliography at the end of his book as well as citing anything he references. It's written like a research paper but instead of being a paper it's a story.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

Isn't Planet X that one place in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

I vaguelly remember that that place was the cause of a large percentage of the earth's problems. Luckily the Turtles always cleaned the mess up. Thank you ninjas.

[Gandalf]

Every country in the world now believes that we should do something about this issue, even if 'just in case there is a problem'.
That'd be a difficult statement to back up... I'm quite sure there are a number of countries whose governments don't care in the least, and a great many people in various other countries who don't want to throw ridiculous amounts of money at an over-hyped, unverified potential "problem" on which we likely couldn't have a measurable effect whatever we did.

[HotWireD]

I was not actually trying to argue with you. The book talks about, and VERY scientifically I might add there is a whole lot of research done on the subject by Crichton this time, about how bunk the whole 'global warming' scare really is. We have NO proof the world is warming up, we have NO proof we're losing our glaciers, we have NO proof the ocean level is rising. And he provides an annotated bibliography at the end of his book as well as citing anything he references. It's written like a research paper but instead of being a paper it's a story.


Do not worry mate, I never considered that you were arguing with me. I have been keeping uip with all the data and research and I have not seen any proof that global warming (or cooling) really exists. My mind is still open (it may be until the day I die, if it is not proovedeither way to my satisfaction.

I do think we have evidence that the glaciers are breaking up - especially the equatorial ones, but I have not been shown to mysatisfaction that this is not a natural phenomena.

Nice posts, I intend to get hold of a copy of Crighton's book to read. It would be nice to get hold of some intelligent reading that puts the 'anti' point of view.

Cheers again for the info'.

[bridges]

Forgive me, I was born in California.

[HotWireD]

Forgive me, I was born in California.

If a mountain is high enough, it will be cold enough for ice to be trapped in great amounts, there are glaciers in Papua New Guinea.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/prof/p1386h/indonesia/inref.html

Equatorial glaciers in Africa and Peru.
http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=3639&method=full

The equatorial glaciers of East Africa
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1949JGl ac...1..277S&db_key=PHY&d ata_type=HTML&format=

http://www.glims.org/assets/IceImages/Info/kaser_refs.html

These articles do not 'prove' global warming - glaciers once covered North America and Northern Europe and have been receding for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, in my opinion, this effect could be completely natural, my vote is still out on this one.

I do not have a television, rarely read newspapers, and get most of my information from the BBC World Service and Scientific Journals. A recent news article on the BBC World Service stated that the US Government now accepts that the weight of evidence does indicate that we are going through a period of climate change which is effecting the environment, but, as I learned at school and college, the environment is changing all the time (deserts grow and shrink, ice sheets recede and then grow again, forests become plains and then forests again).

As my mother said to me many years ago "Do not believe anything you read in newspapers or see on television, take it all with a pinch of salt until you can experience it for yourself".

I swim in the sea every few years and it is just as cold as it has always been.

[HotWireD]

That'd be a difficult statement to back up... I'm quite sure there are a number of countries whose governments don't care in the least, and a great many people in various other countries who don't want to throw ridiculous amounts of money at an over-hyped, unverified potential "problem" on which we likely couldn't have a measurable effect whatever we did.

My apologies Gandalf, you are indeed correct, what i meant to say is 'most' countries accept that there is climate change going on at the moment (I would argue that climate change is always going on).

List of Signatories to the Kyoto Protocol
http://www.mct.gov.br/clima/ingles/quioto/signata.htm

The US came on board accepting that there may be a problem this week.
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2384 552005&format=print

I would like to quote what I consider a very pertinant part of your reply twice....
...on which we likely couldn't have a measurable effect whatever we did.

Even if all the countries could agree that there is a problem, I cannot see what we can do about it, other than reverting to the Middle Ages, which we cannot do and continue to feed the world, maintain our standards of living, continue driving cars, have our modern health standards, or even visit each other in different countries.

We could expend a lot of money and resources fighting a 'problem' that may be a natural phenomenon, a bit like the people that asked King Canute to turn back the tide. If the current climate change is natural, we would be fighting nature trying to prevent it.

[Gandalf]

There's no question that there are changes in the short term in weather... the questions are whether they're harmful and whether they're due to human activity. It seems we can't do much to effect change if we try, so how much change are we going to effect accidentally? Especially compared to the scale of natural causes (volcanoes, forests, etc.) human activity is basically negligible, so far as I can tell.

[HotWireD]

Have you guys heard of Planet X? What do you think? Could it be the reason for all the crazy weather changes we have had of late? Increase in Earthquakes,tsunami, major hurricanes? What is your take?

Back to Planet X...
Some pages to peruse (I think these are joke sites/conspiracy sites).

This one appears to be trying to sell a book:
http://www.planetxinbound.com/

This one is a conspiracy/paranoia site?
http://survivalcenter.com/planetx022504.html

This one predicts disaster as soon as the year 2003 (I must have been off planet visiting relatives when this one happened).
http://www.planetxvideo.com/

I have studies astronomy for years and have never been convinced that Planet X exists. If it did I am (almost) pretty sure that the astronomers would have located where it is by now. Some of our planets were discovered by mathematicians who said where to look before they had been discovered by telescopes, using the orbits of the known planets and the small discrepancies in motion that had been observed. A planet as large as Planet X would most likely effect the other planets.

[HotWireD]

There's no question that there are changes in the short term in weather... the questions are whether they're harmful and whether they're due to human activity. It seems we can't do much to effect change if we try, so how much change are we going to effect accidentally? Especially compared to the scale of natural causes (volcanoes, forests, etc.) human activity is basically negligible, so far as I can tell.

I agree, I wonder how much effect my car, and the factories of the world have in comparison to volcanoes, the fire at the oil refinery in England that has just been put out and all the oil wells that were set on fire by Saddam hussain's forces during the 'First Gulf War'. I am sure they make the input we make on a daily basic insignificant.

<quotes from newspapers>
Fire crews have resumed their battle to extinguish what is said to be the biggest blaze of its kind in Europe during peacetime.
HEMEL HEMPSTEAD, England — A fire raging at an oil depot in southern Britain sent toxic smoke as far away as France and caused jitters Monday on the global oil market.

[sirlok]

I must say the subject is interesting...to me.
I heard one guy say back in Feb. of '04 that Planet X was to cross our way between June and Aug of 2004...nothing happened. Nope, no Poles Shifted and the Earth didn't Wobble and 3/4 of the US destroyed, NOT THAT I BELIEVED IT! I Just found it interesting that People believed in this stuff so Passionately.

Are there other planets out there? Yeah I believe one or two were just spoted in the past year or two...is it the Dreaded Planet X as described by certain Websites covering the subject...Who really knows?

SIDENOTE: Sometime ago I had a strange Dream that felt Awfully real in where I was at my brothers house and felt an earthquake. At first I thought, Just another earthquake untill I felt another shake a lot stronger than the first and it wouldn't stop...I then looked at those around me and said "oh no, it's here!" (referring to Planet X, HA! So I thought in my Dream)
I ran outside and looked up and I could see a Planet! A Planet Passing by that must have been Five Times closer or bigger or whatever than the Moon...(it reminded me of the scene in Pitch Black right before the Sun sets)
Anyhow, I woke up wondering why it felt so real and also thinking, hey I just saw Planet X in my Dream...I thought it was funny.

[mcgreen311]

Even if all the countries could agree that there is a problem, I cannot see what we can do about it, other than reverting to the Middle Ages, which we cannot do and continue to feed the world, maintain our standards of living, continue driving cars, have our modern health standards, or even visit each other in different countries.

We could expend a lot of money and resources fighting a 'problem' that may be a natural phenomenon, a bit like the people that asked King Canute to turn back the tide. If the current climate change is natural, we would be fighting nature trying to prevent it.

I'm issuing my first "excellent post." Congratulations. Back to global warming, I'm in agreement that there aren't enough records of observed meteorology to suggest what the trend of climate change is based on. May I reiterate that not signing the Kyoto treaty did not cause the spate of hurricanes this year? Now back to Planet X...

[Jaymze13]

I've been hearing about the 10th planet for years (off an on), but I never heard till this morning that it could have an effect on Earth. :confused:

As for "global warming", I like to laugh when I hear about all the record winters we've been having the past few years.

Tsunamis and killer hurricanes; I'd have to dig it up, but I read a report from a weather scientist who stated we're simply in what is either a 10 year or possibly a 30 year long, natura ocean pattern. He said he we were either about to come out of it, or possilby go two more decades.

Of course, since he didn't get up on top of his soapbox and demonize America, the Bush admin and capitalism in general, he wasn't given much of a platform. :rolleyes:

Say, there was on old Godzilla movie with Planet X in it. Or I think it was called Planet X. It was one with Godzilla, Rodan and Ghidorah in it. The bad aliens (who suspciously all looked Japanese) were from this terrible, cold dark planet. :D

[coldcupofjoe]

Say, there was on old Godzilla movie with Planet X in it. Or I think it was called Planet X. It was one with Godzilla, Rodan and Ghidorah in it. The bad aliens (who suspciously all looked Japanese) were from this terrible, cold dark planet. :D

You do realize all the old Godzilla movies ARE Japanese right? :confused:

[Jaymze13]

You do realize all the old Godzilla movies ARE Japanese right? :confused:

:D Nobody here really knows me yet (cause I just started), but there'll probably not be many, if any, bigger Godzilla fans than me. :cool:

My point, albiet in a joking manner, was that when this movie was made in the 60s, it's kinda funny they interpeted aliens as looking Asian/oriental. In later years they made another "bad aliens come to Earth and hijack Big G for global domination" movie and used Americans for the part that time.


Anyway, the whole Planet "X" thing is still interesting. I've heard about the comets, meteors and such, but I've never heard of an entire planet that could affect Earth and be millions upon millions of miles away.

The last time I heard anything about the mysterious 10th planet, it was about the size of Pluto and maybe smaller. Is that still the case?

[Nilknarf]

Speaking of the Kyoto (protocol?) thing. I believe there are some well intentioned people jumping on that band wagon, but mostly it is an attempt to handicap America financially. Look at China's pollution record, who's calling them to account? My dad is an editor for an ag newspaper. Guess who the strongest financial supporter of anti logging efforts in the U.S? Canadian timber interests...

Anyway, thanks for letting me rant,

Frank

[bridges]

Have you guys heard of Planet X? What do you think? Could it be the reason for all the crazy weather changes we have had of late? Increase in Earthquakes,tsunami, major hurricanes? What is your take?

God's creation is a delicate balance. But God knows the end from the beginning, and nothing surprises Him, and nothing can change what He has said will happen. It will all come about, much of it in ways that appear to be "natural". Drop a pebble in a calm pool of water and watch the spreading ripples. Watch them strike the sides of the pool and rebound, criss-crossing in ever-diminishing amplitude; yet the entire world will never be as it was before you dropped the pebble. Nothing, however small, is without meaning. Planet X will have its effect, just as do the Pleiades (as written in the book of Job), and all other objects, however great, small, near, or far. You and I, though we have never met face to face, have impacted each others' lives in ways that will never fade away.

God bless you all!

[bridges]

Dude! Equatorial glaciers! Way Cool, Dude!

Thanks for the weblinks!