Is cloning morally correct?

[GuitarMan2387]

Well here we go. A thread dedicated to human cloning.

Is it morally correct, or wrong?

Your thoughts, questions and concerns.

I say wrong for the fact that it violates the human right of a person, and other various issues that will inevitably be brought up later.

Post away.

[fiddlefool]

i'll say what I put in the "choosing your child's gender", or whatever its exact tile was, thread

I believe creation is God's job. He chooses the way He wants us to be, everything about us. So we should not be creating, or in this case, replicating, human beings to/for our own liking.

[wbthornton]

Short answer......no

[Tony Trout]

Ditto what Brian said.........I don't agree with cloning.

[Howlin' Wolf]

who cares?

[coldcupofjoe]

I think most people tend to miss the point. Our physical bodies ARE NOT US! They are shells. Our temporal bodies house our eternal souls. The shape and look of our shells are not too important. We create nothing when we clone. IT IS STILL GOD that does the work. No it is not two people getting together and having sex to make a baby, yes it is a scientific process. But the life that is created is not un-human just becuase it was done different.

[Pouye]

who cares?

Supposedly the thread starter... however if the Pope said cloning was morally right, he would argue for it being right, not wrong. The least we can do is let him have his thread and state his position... for it is, after all, his thread, not yours or mine.

Rock

[Howlin' Wolf]

Supposedly the thread starter... however if the Pope said cloning was morally right, he would argue for it being right, not wrong. The least we can do is let him have his thread and state his position... for it is, after all, his thread, not yours or mine.

Rock

i know...my snarkiness knows no bounds

neither does yours in regards to the RCC

and i dig that about you

[coldcupofjoe]

Yes cloning can be used for the wrong reasons. But so can natural reproduction. If you're worried about slaves well i can think of past examples where it happend and cloning wasn't involved. Cloning people for organ harvesting? That could potentially happen with out cloning.

[kh294God]

i say no because ...we're not God...simply put :cool:

[MadCatholicGomer]

I think most people tend to miss the point. Our physical bodies ARE NOT US! They are shells. Our temporal bodies house our eternal souls.

Where is my buzzer? Wrong... our bodies are not shells, they are integral to who we are as human beings. We ARE our bodies... otherwise it wouldnt matter what you do with your body "so long as your soul is pure." We are enfleshed souls or ensouled flesh... though they are not the most important "part" of us, they cannot simply be treated as if they are nothing and junk; one can sin against the human body and cloning is an example of that.

[MadCatholicGomer]

Supposedly the thread starter... however if the Pope said cloning was morally right, he would argue for it being right, not wrong. The least we can do is let him have his thread and state his position... for it is, after all, his thread, not yours or mine.

Rock

Ah, but the Pope wouldn't do that... especially since the Popes have been the most prominent voices for the culture of life, and this is of the culture of death... come now Pouye, let us reason together...

[Mugirl04]

what about if you are just cloning organs or cells? To help people who are ill.

[coldcupofjoe]

Where is my buzzer? Wrong... our bodies are not shells, they are integral to who we are as human beings. We ARE our bodies... otherwise it wouldnt matter what you do with your body "so long as your soul is pure." We are enfleshed souls or ensouled flesh... though they are not the most important "part" of us, they cannot simply be treated as if they are nothing and junk; one can sin against the human body and cloning is an example of that.


I never said our bodies are 'nothing and junk.' I didn't say they are worthless. Yes! Our bodies ARE important! If they weren't God wouldn't have said to keep them pure. But our bodies are not the most important part of us. Becuase they do not last. No matter how hard you try your body will never last 200 years, unless God makes it so. Our bodies DO NOT define us as who we are. Or rather as Christian's our bodies shouldn't define us as who we are. It's a physical avatar of our spiritual selves, like the frame of a car. The engine is the important part, but you still dont have a car with out some sort of frame. And to continue with the analogy. Millions of cars in the world look exactly the same when they are first made, they are still different cars. They will all be used different, while they will most likely have many of the same problems in life, they quickly became VERY distinct. On one of the cars you might have tranmission problems, and on another you get problems with the starter. Same car made the same exact way different problems. In people different problems mean different people. Yes a clone might look the exact same as the person he or she was cloned from but they are a different person. Ok so theyre made using that reprehensible science rather than sex. We're not doing anything God didnt give us the ability to do anyway. We're just going about it differently.

Oh, and BTW whose body is the sin against? The clones? or the clonees?

[Trillamum]

Yes and no. I don't see any problem with cloning in and of itself, as ColdCup (Bobby Jason, correct?) said, it's not "creating" life, it's merely manipulating the genes to determine what that life will look like. Cloning has nothing to do with the soul. However, (and correct me if I'm wrong on this) the research that would have to be put into it to get us to the point of being able to succesfully clone humans would require that embryos (babies) be formed and destroyed before they perfected the process. That I have issues with.

[Ehud Elijah]

I would have to say that cloning is morally acceptable only in cases where it's a hot chick.

[coldcupofjoe]

Yeah Trill, BobbyJason works



Uhm... vvv rriigghhtt
I would have to say that cloning is morally acceptable only in cases where it's a hot chick.

[GuitarMan2387]

We're not doing anything God didnt give us the ability to do anyway. We're just going about it differently.

Oh, and BTW whose body is the sin against? The clones? or the clonees?

What?!

God gave me the ability to create a gun, therefor murder is right? God gives us freewill, not the sanction to do whatever we can think of and have the ability to do. I have the ability to do many bad things, but it would be wrong to do those things.

It is a sin against those who clone. It is a violation of the rights of human being that is created.

[Angel777]

What?!

God gave me the ability to create a gun, therefor murder is right? God gives us freewill, not the sanction to do whatever we can think of and have the ability to do. I have the ability to do many bad things, but it would be wrong to do those things.

It is a sin against those who clone. It is a violation of the rights of human being that is created. i totaly agree. But can i ask you a question? "we are fearfully and wonderfully made" right?! he created each and everyone of us because he loves the reality of us.How beautiful he finds us.You know the bible says "i knew you before you were created" well if a person is cloned and say it works and that person lives and breathes just like us..what do you believe..i mean did God create that person?! did he know that person before they were "born" and that he/she was/is going to have a future and a life.Is there a purpose for that person.How would God see them?! hmm?
thanx

[coldcupofjoe]

What?!

God gave me the ability to create a gun, therefor murder is right? God gives us freewill, not the sanction to do whatever we can think of and have the ability to do. I have the ability to do many bad things, but it would be wrong to do those things.

It is a sin against those who clone. It is a violation of the rights of human being that is created.


Gun's don't murder. People murder with guns. And sticks. And rocks. And cars. And planes. Frozen sides of lamb. A gun is a tool, yes its primary function is as a weapon. A hammer can kill someone just as quickly.



i totaly agree. But can i ask you a question? "we are fearfully and wonderfully made" right?! he created each and everyone of us because he loves the reality of us.How beautiful he finds us.You know the bible says "i knew you before you were created" well if a person is cloned and say it works and that person lives and breathes just like us..what do you believe..i mean did God create that person?! did he know that person before they were "born" and that he/she was/is going to have a future and a life.Is there a purpose for that person.How would God see them?! hmm?
thanx


God says he knew us before the womb. As fas as I know the womb is still a required part of the process in cloning. The baby has to be able to come to term somewhere and I doubt if we have the technology to do that anytime soon. And while God knows your body before it's born He's more concerned with you. He knows YOU. Too many people are too hung up on their bodies. Our soul is more important than our body will ever be.

Personally heres the way I see it. I don't live in my body. My body is an avatar into the physical world. Since it's the only one I'll get that makes it important. But my body is NOT a definition of who I am. I am the definition of what my body is.

[Howlin' Wolf]

I would have to say that cloning is morally acceptable only in cases where it's a hot chick.

if you run for office, you have my vote

[MadCatholicGomer]

Personally heres the way I see it. I don't live in my body. My body is an avatar into the physical world. Since it's the only one I'll get that makes it important. But my body is NOT a definition of who I am. I am the definition of what my body is.

That is the philosophy that can lead to a complete exclusion of all kinds of sins of the body... its not me sinning, but I am simply "using my body" while my soul is still pure.

[coldcupofjoe]

That is the philosophy that can lead to a complete exclusion of all kinds of sins of the body... its not me sinning, but I am simply "using my body" while my soul is still pure.

Seeing as how one is in slmost total control of their body, a person would have to be stupid to beleive that.

[Grank]

Cloning... hhmmmm... pro. You're not playing God by creating life without sex. I don't think the Bible says anything about it. It's like when somebody chooses a mate to have strong offspring with only it's pretty much a full proof plan. It's already been said, you're not tampering with thte soul... just making the carrier of the soul stronger. Maybe someday we'll be able to build in disease immunities and fix things like asthma. Pretty sure thats not a sin.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

As long as Chuck Norris remains uncloned sure. Knock yourselves out.

[Trillamum]

"If I clone myself, then decide to kill my clone, can I be convicted of murder? I mean, after all, I just got rid of a lump of my flesh. I feel certain all the abortion people would agree with me" ~My Dad

(as previously noted, I'm mostly pro cloning, I just found this an interesting spin and a bit funny)

[GuitarMan2387]

no, it wouldn't be a lump of your flesh.

It would be an entirely new person.

The clones would have souls. Killing something with a soul is murder, and wrong.