The arrogance of feminism (include male feminists)

[ICarlson99]

Shocking (to certain segments of society) study reported in the NY Times - a majority of incoming Yale women actually WANT to set aside their career when they start having kids. Naturally this doesn't sit well with the "elites":

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/20/national/20women.html?pagewanted=1&incamp=article_popular_1

Contrast these quotes from the Ivory Tower-ites with the actual students themselves:

"It really does raise this question for all of us and for the country: when we work so hard to open academics and other opportunities for women, what kind of return do we expect to get for that?" said Marlyn McGrath Lewis, director of undergraduate admissions at Harvard, who served as dean for coeducation in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
(My, how noble :rolleyes: )

"What does concern me," said Peter Salovey, the dean of Yale College, "is that so few students seem to be able to think outside the box; so few students seem to be able to imagine a life for themselves that isn't constructed along traditional gender roles."
(claptrap)

"I really believed 25 years ago," Dr. Wexler added, "that this would be solved by now."
(Yes, what a horrible problem, that women CHOOSE to raise their children)

Now, for the encouraging perspective:

"A lot of the guys were like, 'I think that's really great,' " Ms. Currie said. "One of the guys was like, 'I think that's sexy.' Staying at home with your children isn't as polarizing of an issue as I envision it is for women who are in their 30's now."

"My stepmom's very proud of my choice because it makes her feel more valuable," said Kellie Zesch, a Texan who graduated from the University of North Carolina two years ago and who said that once she had children, she intended to stay home for at least five years and then consider working part time. "It justified it to her, that I don't look down on her for not having a career."

Emily Lechner, one of Ms. Liu's roommates, hopes to stay home a few years, then work part time as a lawyer once her children are in school.

Her mother, Carol, who once thought she would have a full-time career but gave it up when her children were born, was pleasantly surprised to hear that. "I do have this bias that the parents can do it best," she said. "I see a lot of women in their 30's who have full-time nannies, and I just question if their kids are getting the best."

Angie Ku, another of Ms. Liu's roommates who had a stay-at-home mom, talks nonchalantly about attending law or business school, having perhaps a 10-year career and then staying home with her children.

"Parents have such an influence on their children," Ms. Ku said. "I want to have that influence. Me!"

Ms. Ku added that she did not think it was a problem that women usually do most of the work raising kids.

"I accept things how they are," she said. "I don't mind the status quo. I don't see why I have to go against it."

After all, she added, those roles got her where she is.

"It worked so well for me," she said, "and I don't see in my life why it wouldn't work."

[ICarlson99]

I just hope they don't get "socially engineered" out of these approaches.

There's nothing more important than the raising of children, and women are just better at it than men. Unfortunately, the feminist movement refuses to acknowledge this. They've become more interested in making sure these young women are able to abort their babies than raise them.

[AshleeDru]

Wow, what an article! How sad that the obvious roles of men and women are getting twisted. Men are meant to be the provider and women are meant to take care of the children and the home. Why would these woman consider going back to work at all? Why not use this amazing education to teach their children themselves? I think that would be a good use of their education. Just my opinion, of course. ;)

[SmileyFreak1981]

I think the fundamental flaw with feminism as we know it today is that it says that women and men are equal on all planes, which is not the case. While I think that feminism has had a positive impact on women in society in some cases in the past, I think that it's contemporary incarnation is very anti-family, and hatefull of men.

[steffen]

I think the fundamental flaw with feminism as we know it today is that it says that women and men are equal on all planes, which is not the case. While I think that feminism has had a positive impact on women in society in some cases in the past, I think that it's contemporary incarnation is very anti-family, and hatefull of men.
That would also require us to have babies... wouldn't it?

[Sharon]

Wow, what an article! How sad that the obvious roles of men and women are getting twisted. Men are meant to be the provider and women are meant to take care of the children and the home. Why would these woman consider going back to work at all? Why not use this amazing education to teach their children themselves? I think that would be a good use of their education. Just my opinion, of course. ;)

Okay......here's a twist...what about those of us who can't have children?

[fablov]

Okay......here's a twist...what about those of us who can't have children?
I know this may sound trite, but God must have some other wonderful plan for you Sharon. You may not be birth mom, but you have been know to take people under you wings and act as a protective momma. That is a good thing. I hope this helps and doesn't hurt. (I struggled with infertility for a brief time, so I understand how encouragement is often just the opposite.) ~:-)

[Sharon]

I know this may sound trite, but God must have some other wonderful plan for you Sharon. You may not be birth mom, but you have been know to take people under you wings and act as a protective momma. That is a good thing. I hope this helps and doesn't hurt. (I struggled with infertility for a brief time, so I understand how encouragement is often just the opposite.) ~:-)

Oh...I know..and thanks.....I'm okay with it for now.......it's just that this whole thing of women being child - rearers (which is very true)....I just sometimes think that there is a whole section of us women that are forgotten about in this spirited debate of "roles". (personally I HATE that word usage. Makes me feel like it's an acting gig)

[prayercloth sis]

As we all know there are those who work for needs of fiances to support the family...like single parents. Then there are those who work because they do not feel satisfied with staying at home and not contributing to the monies. Then there are those who work because of the need of power and control and the list could go on and on....

I have mostly been a stay at home MOM and worked only part time so that I could be home with my children. They grow up so fast. I am thankfull I have been able to do so.

Have we suffered for this. Yes, we have done without a nice large brick home, and fine cars and all the materialistic things, but we have well mannered children that love each other, and respect others as well as themselves, and love God, and have earned their grades in school.

The prices do not even compare. In the long run, my children will be blessed and so will we. I can work when the are grown and gone. If I work while they are here I miss out on alot!!!

I struggled with feeling guilty about not bringing in a large income to help my husband, but the large quantity of love, and good qualities that I am putting into my children are worth much more. I gladly tell others I stay at home. I have an education and worked as a Pre - K 3, 4, and 5 year old teacher for 9 years! I left that position last year because of certain conditions. I worked at the same school my children attended while they were very little and I am now about to apply for a position at the TISD where they are attending now.
Hopefully near my youngest she's 9, don't think I am up for teenagers!!! Too many years with the little ones. I just loved it!!! Keep me in your prayers, the extra monies would be a blessing but I am hoping for a part time or full-time where I can be off with my children when they are out of school.

God Bless

Rhonie

[Thomas508]

Wow, what an article! How sad that the obvious roles of men and women are getting twisted. Men are meant to be the provider and women are meant to take care of the children and the home. Why would these woman consider going back to work at all? Why not use this amazing education to teach their children themselves? I think that would be a good use of their education. Just my opinion, of course. ;)
My wife has a degree in education she was a Teacher untill we had kids since then she has been a stay at home Mom and their teacher (we home school) We don't have alot of the things other people have but we have a good home with three well behaved children who know they are loved. Sometimes I wish we had more I wish we could go out more but when I look at my Kids I know they are worth the sacrafice we make!

Billy T

[prayercloth sis]

My wife has a degree in education she was a Teacher untill we had kids since then she has been a stay at home Mom and their teacher (we home school) We don't have alot of the things other people have but we have a good home with three well behaved children who know they are loved. Sometimes I wish we had more I wish we could go out more but when I look at my Kids I know they are worth the sacrafice we make!

Billy T

It was so good to read your post....today was a really hard day...just hearing that you don't regret it made me feel better, keep me in your prayers and I'll be praying for ya'll as well.

Does your wife ever get lonesome for adult conversation????

Guess that's why I get on the boards so much!!!

God Bless!!!

Rhoie

[Thomas508]

It was so good to read your post....today was a really hard day...just hearing that you don't regret it made me feel better, keep me in your prayers and I'll be praying for ya'll as well.

Does your wife ever get lonesome for adult conversation????

Guess that's why I get on the boards so much!!!

God Bless!!!

Rhoie
Yes she does somtimes she belongs to a few email loops instead of message boards but I have told her about this one and the CARATS I even told her I was bragging about her on here so maybe she will show up sometime! Try to remember why you do what you do on the hard days and maybe it'll be a little better! We will keep you in our prayers as well

Billy T

[AshleeDru]

My wife has a degree in education she was a Teacher untill we had kids since then she has been a stay at home Mom and their teacher (we home school) We don't have alot of the things other people have but we have a good home with three well behaved children who know they are loved. Sometimes I wish we had more I wish we could go out more but when I look at my Kids I know they are worth the sacrafice we make!

Billy T
That's awesome!! I was homeschooled all my life, along with my three younger brothers. My mom did (and is still doing) an amazing job homeschooling me and my brothers. There are so many things that she gave up, and I am so thankful to both my parents for choosing to homeschool. I work part time at a public school, and I was homeschooled, so I've seen both worlds and I believe that homeschooling is the way that God intended it to be. I'm most definitely going to be homeschooling my future children!

[Thomas508]

That's awesome!! I was homeschooled all my life, along with my three younger brothers. My mom did (and is still doing) an amazing job homeschooling me and my brothers. There are so many things that she gave up, and I am so thankful to both my parents for choosing to homeschool. I work part time at a public school, and I was homeschooled, so I've seen both worlds and I believe that homeschooling is the way that God intended it to be. I'm most definitely going to be homeschooling my future children!
I went to public school and my wife to a christian school There is no way I can imagine putting my kids in what I was in and it seems even worse now. Christian school was an option but it costs alot and with her degree and a desire to teach home schooling sounded right. Now I wouldn't do it any other way! Your right I do belive it is the way that God intended it to be!

Billy T