the exorcism of emily rose

[Howlin' Wolf]

i saw it. it wasnt what i expected, but it was still good. i wonder what is everybody's thoughts on demon possession and exorcism.

i am inclined to say that the west has put everything in a littlebox with a label on it, so that things can be explained away. i once heard a wise missionary say that "the west's greatest error in missions was giving people medicine and telling them that would cure their ailments". i think that quote is appropriate in light of this movie and in light of my own particular views of demon possession.

[AshleeDru]

i saw it. it wasnt what i expected, but it was still good. i wonder what is everybody's thoughts on demon possession and exorcism.

i am inclined to say that the west has put everything in a littlebox with a label on it, so that things can be explained away. i once heard a wise missionary say that "the west's greatest error in missions was giving people medicine and telling them that would cure their ailments". i think that quote is appropriate in light of this movie and in light of my own particular views of demon possession.
Oh my goodness, why did you have to bring that up right before I'm going to bed?? The preview alone is enough to completely freak me out. I don't know that much about exorcism and demon possesion. In your opinion, do you think that the movie was true to what you think a demon possesed person would be like?

[Howlin' Wolf]

Oh my goodness, why did you have to bring that up right before I'm going to bed?? The preview alone is enough to completely freak me out. I don't know that much about exorcism and demon possesion. In your opinion, do you think that the movie was true to what you think a demon possesed person would be like?

this movie is primarily a courtroom drama

i think demon possession can look different depending on the situation and the demon. in the case of the movie, that would be the extreme. speaking in tongues, different voices, yadda yadda yadda.

i also think it can be more subtle and manifest itself in some of the mental sicknesses that are diagnosed.

i quickly dismiss the belief that jesus and the apostles werent casting out demons but healing people of mental illness

[Godgrl Gomer]

speaking in tongues, different voices, yadda yadda yadda.

i also think it can be more subtle and manifest itself in some of the mental sicknesses that are diagnosed.

i quickly dismiss the belief that jesus and the apostles werent casting out demons but healing people of mental illness
You are 100% correct Tulip! yey you :D

[Ehud Elijah]

When a person walks in humility, purity, holiness, deep prayer, and devout study of God's Word, extraordinary spiritual power is there, in Christ, to fight the enemy. God also sovereignly gifts people to do this as well, it most certainly is not for everyone, nor should everyone attempt it.

[jrmitch]

When a person walks in humility, purity, holiness, deep prayer, and devout study of God's Word, extraordinary spiritual power is there, in Christ, to fight the enemy. God also sovereignly gifts people to do this as well, it most certainly is not for everyone, nor should everyone attempt it.Amen to that. :)

We know from both scripture and documented historical accounts that this is real stuff, and let me caution that it's extremely easy to develop an unhealthy interest in demonology that can be detrimental to your walk. (Got the scars to prove that one! :o ) Our primary focus needs to remain on simple obedience to Jesus.

The best book I've read on this subject actually concerned another real life case that happened in Bridgeport, Connecticut about 30 years ago. It's called "The Devil in Connecticut" and involved the possesion of a 15 year old kid named David Glatzel. The family was Catholic, so they pursued the traditional Catholic ritual of exorcism. The kid managed to survive but the collateral damage included the boyfriend of this kids sister openly challenging the demon(s) possesing David, becoming possesed himself, and commiting a murder for which he was sentenced to life in prison. What helped provide validity to this case was that during the exorcism process (which went on for weeks) they made audio recordings, and the demons (through David) predicted everything that would happen over a year before the events actually took place, including stating the names of the judge that would hear the case and the names of several jurors. This is very real stuff that requires a very special calling from God to deal with; if you've got any areas of your walk that aren't pure and you're not in deep, intimate fellowship with God and clearly led by His Spirit to deal with this stuff take my advice - run from it. Otherwise you're begging for trouble.

[Pouye]

Like many people have said, demon possession is not something we should fear, but yet we as believers need to be sound and bold in our approach to dealing with such situations. I have personally seen some interesting cases, some of which I think were just highly emotional responses. The power of suggestion is a strong thing... you tell someone they have a demon living in them, and they might believe it, even if it isn't true.

On the other hand, I've seen what look like to be genuine cases. These cases are very frightening. It is important to remember that we must completely rely on Jesus; both the authority of Christ and our humble relationship with Him.

It does little good to cast demons out of people if there is no follow up ministry, because they will usually end up leaving the same invite door open. The person who has experienced deliverence should be encouraged to replace the void with the Word of God and a relationship with Christ Jesus.

I would agree with Tulip here and say that it could be many of the cases we label "mental illness" might have spiritual roots. At the same time, I do believe some people just have chemical or physical imbalances that keep them from living a healthy, functional life. Either case it is good to pray for the person, specifically for restoration and wholeness. I believe God has the power to heal and to deliver people. He can and does do these things today. However, it is up to God, not us. Our "job" is to be a ready instrument of grace; one that God can reflect his love, power and grace through. A good thing to remember, especially in situations involving demonic beings -- "Without Jesus we can do nothing."

Rock

[Pamster]

I am on call this week, so I can't go to the movies...but I am planning on seeing this movie.

Do I believe in it? yep.

[Trillamum]

Hmmm, haven't seen the movie yet, but want to. As far as demon possession goes, well, let's just say that I grew up in witchcraft country, and live less than two blocks from a Doogoo church.....the stories I could tell...... But anyway, I think it is very real, and yes, very scary, but, the thing is, God is bigger and can deal with it. Don't ever, ever, go into an "exorcism" (for lack of a better word) though without His guidance and protection, it will not be pretty.

[MusicianaryMary]

I haven't seen the movie, and I don't want to because of my own experiences with deliverance and spiritual warfare. I have no doubt that it is real and true and the clip of the preview made me disinterested into opening myself up to viewing demonic possession as a means of entertainment or even teaching. Does it have the power to hurt me - I don't think so. I just don't choose to watch it, because it bothers me, which is what I think the enemy would like in my case.

[Gandalf]

this movie is primarily a courtroom drama

i think demon possession can look different depending on the situation and the demon. in the case of the movie, that would be the extreme. speaking in tongues, different voices, yadda yadda yadda.

i also think it can be more subtle and manifest itself in some of the mental sicknesses that are diagnosed.

i quickly dismiss the belief that jesus and the apostles werent casting out demons but healing people of mental illness
Haven't heard of the movie before... may have to check it out. But, I agree with much that you and Rock have said. I don't have much to add at this point, beyond that.

[Godgrl Gomer]

The best book I've read on this subject actually concerned another real life case that happened in Bridgeport, Connecticut about 30 years ago. It's called "The Devil in Connecticut" and involved the possesion of a 15 year old kid named David Glatzel. The family was Catholic, so they pursued the traditional Catholic ritual of exorcism. The kid managed to survive but the collateral damage included the boyfriend of this kids sister openly challenging the demon(s) possesing David, becoming possesed himself, and commiting a murder for which he was sentenced to life in prison. What helped provide validity to this case was that during the exorcism process (which went on for weeks) they made audio recordings, and the demons (through David) predicted everything that would happen over a year before the events actually took place, including stating the names of the judge that would hear the case and the names of several jurors. This is very real stuff that requires a very special calling from God to deal with; if you've got any areas of your walk that aren't pure and you're not in deep, intimate fellowship with God and clearly led by His Spirit to deal with this stuff take my advice - run from it. Otherwise you're begging for trouble.
Yeh...this stuff is not to be messed with. My comment earlier...supporting that most possession shows itself as mental illness. I still stand with that. But I also know of the 'deeper' levels of working up close and personal with the enemy. It is a calling. Anyone who comes up against this stuff needs to be seriously "prayed up" and have intercessors praying every second you are in "action". The brother who challenged the demon, well he got proud. I know that sounds harsh...but it is so easy to get angry and challenge a demon. I have done it. I forgot that I work not in my power, but Jesus'.
I have been physically hurt by demons. They are not a myth. It may sound like a contradiction...but do not be afraid of these guys. Compared to the Spirit who lives in you, they are nothing. At the same time, don't play with fire...if ya get my meaning.
Bless Y'all.

[mercyGurl]

I haven't seen the movie, and I don't want to because of my own experiences with deliverance and spiritual warfare. I have no doubt that it is real and true and the clip of the preview made me disinterested into opening myself up to viewing demonic possession as a means of entertainment or even teaching. Does it have the power to hurt me - I don't think so. I just don't choose to watch it, because it bothers me, which is what I think the enemy would like in my case.


I'm exactly the same way. I have no doubts that demons are real, and that demonic possession is real. I personally, have struggled in the past with fear, and fear of demons, and it was all just me being opressed by satan. It was a really bad, bad period in my life though, and so it's hard for me to watch scary movies of any sort, much less some where satan can insert thoughts into my mind that might cause me to fear.

(By the way, I also have no doubt that God is bigger, since I am free from my debilitating fears! He has given me the victory and I can rely on His strength. God is bigger than the boogyman;))

[AshleeDru]

(By the way, I also have no doubt that God is bigger, since I am free from my debilitating fears! He has given me the victory and I can rely on His strength. God is bigger than the boogyman;))
Most definitely. ;)

[jrmitch]

....It is a calling. Anyone who comes up against this stuff needs to be seriously "prayed up" and have intercessors praying every second you are in "action". The brother who challenged the demon, well he got proud. I know that sounds harsh...but it is so easy to get angry and challenge a demon. I have done it. I forgot that I work not in my power, but Jesus'.
I have been physically hurt by demons. They are not a myth. It may sound like a contradiction...but do not be afraid of these guys. Compared to the Spirit who lives in you, they are nothing. At the same time, don't play with fire...if ya get my meaning.....Word ;)

Last time I made the mistake of doing what the guy I referred to did - being dumb enough to angrily challenge a demon without a clean spiritual house - I was picked up and thrown about 5 feet by something I couldn't see, then was almost killed 3 times over the next two months in really freaky occurences where I know the only reason I'm sitting here typing this right now is because God covered me from the ultimate consequence of my foolishness.

I agree - if your heart is pure, and you're soveriengly called to minister to one who is oppressed/possesed, then you've nothing to fear. BUT - make the mistakes some of us did and you're extremly fortunate if you walk away in one piece. This is why when those called to this kind of ministry are called into battle they're clean before God - their safety, as well as the safety of the one they are ministering to, depends on it.

[prayercloth sis]

I concur with Rock, Gandalph and Jrmitch. This not something you go into lightly. The consequences of taking demon possession lightly could involve serious circumstances. I personally do not watch films of this nature or study books conerning witchcraft or satanic worship.

It has been my experience, that there are spirits that can attack and trail you after doing so. That's why I believe it to be very important to pray every day and read the word of God so that you can be spiritually equipped if you are ever presented with an incident involving demon possession.

I also agree that follow up ministry is a must. If the person who is delivered from such evil spirits doesn't draw close to the Lord that person could end up right back where they started from or yet worse.

I have known of some instances where people were seriously injured, because they hadn't prayed before ministering to a person that was possessed. I have been injured myself not knowing what was going on while I was getting prayer.

Advice that was handed down to me that I have kept close, never ever pray for someone you think could be possessed alone. (the disciples went out in two's), do not close your eyes when ministering to such folks, and never turn your back towards them. Prayer is always a must and having prayer warriors praying for you and with you during such times is very wise.

He did come to set the captive free, but please use wisdom and caution.

Just to note, Middletree had brought up another thread, about pleading the blood. I have myself plead the blood over the unsaved and children when instances occurred within a regular service at church. I Praise God that my children have never been harmed.

There was one instance where I had gone up for prayer, my daughter was standing close beside me, after the Pastor had annointed me with oil and prayed for me, a large sized young girl slammed into me not once but three times.

I had just had surgery, and was getting prayer for strength in my body. I was praying in the Holy Ghost and thought someone had just got a little excited, but after the second and third time, I realized that this girl was causing hurt and pain to many and definitely possessed.

She had pinned my daughter against the pulpit, and a friend of mine immediately intervened with no damage to my daughter, Praise God. This girl was spewing from the mouth and her eyes rolling, she looked just like the Taz manian devil when he spins on the cartoon. She had slapped one lady and stomped on another and was headed directly for a pew of elder ladies. Sister Nina told me to grab her, I did, she had the strength of a 1500 lb. heifer. I am not trying to be funny but I worked on a horse farm and ranch and dealt with large animals. I was in severe pain, couldn't move my left leg, and she was pulling me up off the floor ( I am not little myself either).

I finally got hold of my senses and commanded her in the name of Jesus to and I quote "Quit that crap and get still and quit hurting folks" forgive me, I'm a country girl, she immediately opened her eyes and laughed in a deep gruff and rolled her eyes back into her head and stopped. By this time, she was foaming at the mouth, but was in a dazed state.

Needless to say, it wasn't very fun, I stayed in bed for three days, and my Pastor did nothing. (He was standing on the rostrum right in front of this scene). I talked to him after the service ended and told him that "that" was not the Holy Ghost, he said that she just needed to be taught about worship, I told him she was possessed and he blew me off. Needless to say we do not attend there anymore. Some people do not want to deal with matters of this kind, so they ignore them and hope they will go away.

A couple of years later I was informed that she had been sexually molested along with several other happenings. I learned alot that day, and I will never forget.

Living for God is serious business.

God Bless You All as you go about the Father's business.

Rhonie

[Little Diva]

This is not a movie that i would watch

1. I know that demon possession is alive and well i have had many experiences and yes its scary. I just have to go to India with my mum and within mintutes there following her (this is the only way i can put this) - she's a bit of a demon magnet. My mum has come from a background of witchcraft and the occult, so we know what the powers of darkness can do. They are out to seek you, kill you and destroy you.

2. I never watch scary movies because it may open a door that I am not aware of and then hinder my walk with God.

[jrmitch]

Here's another war story - with a happy ending...... :)

Many years ago I'm in the prayer room as a counselor after a Sunday morning service at church (for those unfamiliar w/the concept we have a large room furnished w/couches, chairs, bibles, tissues, etc. just off of the sanctuary that is specifically used for counseling/prayer after our services). Anyway, there must have been 30-40 folks there. Our pastor had been impressed that, rather than immediately begin ministering to those present, that we all just take a few moments to be quiet before God, as he sensed that something was about to happen. As we're just quietly praying one young dude started slowly rocking back and forth, moaning softly as though he was in torment.

As the moments passed his moans gradually turned to wails, which led to howls, shrieks, cursing, and general chaos. By this time the poor guy's on the floor, thrashing as though he was suffering a seizure. And you might have thought that to be the case, except when you have a seizure you're not able to fluently curse the Lord and all those present while you're busy thrashing around. Our pastor took one look at him and said "get him OUT of here!" - so several of us picked him up bodily and carried him - still thrashing, cursing, and foaming at the mouth - into an adjacent office.

We had 8 guys in there holding this character down, praying with him and trying to have direct conversation with him and not the entities that kept dominating the conversation from his side of the proceedings, and we did nothing but spin our wheels for almost 30 minutes. Our pastor finally comes in, surveys the carnage with a sad shake of his head, and addresses the guy directly: "Look, do you want to be set free? If you do, salvation and deliverance are available right here, right now. But if you don't we have more important things we need to do than provide a free stage show after our service!"

Somehow the guy got enough control back to plead - in his own voice - for help. 15 minutes of intense prayer later the guys apparently been delivered from his torment and was finally looking normal (well, almost normal; his face was still a little green) and our pastor, as any good pastor will do, is using this as a teaching experience for the knuckleheads around him. While talking to us he happened to say "we'll have to wait a few days or weeks to see if this is really permanant; the fruit will show itself over time". The guy who had just been delivered then screams out "Jesus, if this isn't real please kill me now!" Without missing a beat pastor Tom looks right at him, winks, and replies "He will".

The poor dude got this totally shocked look on his face until he realized that Tom wasn't serious. Turns out the guy was actually a former Baptist youth pastor who had been kicked out of his church a couple of years earlier for unrepentant sin; he apparently had never really been saved to begin with and after being kicked out of his church used anger and resentement as fuel to attempt to find a way to get even with those who had held him accountable for his actions. As part of that process he had turned to the occult as a means of trying to learn how to place a curse on people and opened up the door for oppresion that eventually led to full blown possesion. He had shown up at church that morning because he was finally sick and tired of his torment, knew he needed help, and wanted to be delivered. This happened 23 years ago; currently the guy's alive, well, and serving the Lord in church leadership here in the Denver area.

[cheewiee]

The first time I saw something like this I was in 5th grade..

I was going to my church's youth ministry and During Praise and Worship this girl (1st time visitor), started manifesting i guess is the most appropiate term for it.. Well 3 or 4 Ushers walk over to her and the Youth Pastor went over to her, she started punching the ushers, and took a swing at the Youth Pastor.. they finaly got her subdued.. and when the Pastor started praying for her she started up again and she THREW 3 20/30 somethings 5 feet..

Of course this was when Pigs and the Parlor was out.. and the 'in' thinking when it came to deliverence....

Contrast that to a year ago, when I was at church and this guy started Manifesting, My pastor Simply walked up to him and said,

"Demon You will Shut Up, you have no place to manifest in this church and you must obey me in the name of Jesus Christ." The Guy stopped, and then the Pastor motioned to some of the other pastors to take him out and minister to him and offer him deliverence if he wanted.

After I saw this, I talked to him and compaired the two incidents.. and he explaned that for some unknown reason, the church for a time was 'entertained' by spiritual manifestations, and that it was unnecessary and counterproductive. He pointed out no where in the New Testiment was Jesus physicaly threatened, or physically had to restrain people while delivering them..

[prayercloth sis]

Here's another war story - with a happy ending...... :)

Many years ago I'm in the prayer room as a counselor after a Sunday morning service at church (for those unfamiliar w/the concept we have a large room furnished w/couches, chairs, bibles, tissues, etc. just off of the sanctuary that is specifically used for counseling/prayer after our services). Anyway, there must have been 30-40 folks there. Our pastor had been impressed that, rather than immediately begin ministering to those present, that we all just take a few moments to be quiet before God, as he sensed that something was about to happen. As we're just quietly praying one young dude started slowly rocking back and forth, moaning softly as though he was in torment.

As the moments passed his moans gradually turned to wails, which led to howls, shrieks, cursing, and general chaos. By this time the poor guy's on the floor, thrashing as though he was suffering a seizure. And you might have thought that to be the case, except when you have a seizure you're not able to fluently curse the Lord and all those present while you're busy thrashing around. Our pastor took one look at him and said "get him OUT of here!" - so several of us picked him up bodily and carried him - still thrashing, cursing, and foaming at the mouth - into an adjacent office.

We had 8 guys in there holding this character down, praying with him and trying to have direct conversation with him and not the entities that kept dominating the conversation from his side of the proceedings, and we did nothing but spin our wheels for almost 30 minutes. Our pastor finally comes in, surveys the carnage with a sad shake of his head, and addresses the guy directly: "Look, do you want to be set free? If you do, salvation and deliverance are available right here, right now. But if you don't we have more important things we need to do than provide a free stage show after our service!"

Somehow the guy got enough control back to plead - in his own voice - for help. 15 minutes of intense prayer later the guys apparently been delivered from his torment and was finally looking normal (well, almost normal; his face was still a little green) and our pastor, as any good pastor will do, is using this as a teaching experience for the knuckleheads around him. While talking to us he happened to say "we'll have to wait a few days or weeks to see if this is really permanant; the fruit will show itself over time". The guy who had just been delivered then screams out "Jesus, if this isn't real please kill me now!" Without missing a beat pastor Tom looks right at him, winks, and replies "He will".

The poor dude got this totally shocked look on his face until he realized that Tom wasn't serious. Turns out the guy was actually a former Baptist youth pastor who had been kicked out of his church a couple of years earlier for unrepentant sin; he apparently had never really been saved to begin with and after being kicked out of his church used anger and resentement as fuel to attempt to find a way to get even with those who had held him accountable for his actions. As part of that process he had turned to the occult as a means of trying to learn how to place a curse on people and opened up the door for oppresion that eventually led to full blown possesion. He had shown up at church that morning because he was finally sick and tired of his torment, knew he needed help, and wanted to be delivered. This happened 23 years ago; currently the guy's alive, well, and serving the Lord in church leadership here in the Denver area.


Totally Awesome. Praise God for a changed life.

[Godgrl Gomer]

He pointed out no where in the New Testiment was Jesus physicaly threatened, or physically had to restrain people while delivering them..
This is something that we must take on ourselves. I still struggle. I long to be so cool and calm, ALL the time when faced with the enemy. Most of the time I am. I know who I am in Christ and I can just tell them to be quiet in the name of Jesus. I have to remember NOT to swear at the demon cos that just fuels them. But at times when faced with a principality, I get fear. I feel its power and sometimes doubt my own steadfastness in Christ. But that is what they want us to do. Once the light of Christ in shone on the demon, they get shrunk to little itty bitty ...things. Gees these guys are UGLY and do they SMELL! ugh. haha
WOW these stories are AWESOME. I have not had thrashing or anything like that with my 'clients'. On the outside it all appears very quiet and boring. But that is good, cos the enemy is responding to authority and doing as it is told.
At the moment I have been given 'leave' from our team until next year. Apparently, after the massive healing I had in June, that Lord has said I am basically in "recovery" as though I am in a Spiritual Hospital. I don't fully understand it. But a little while a go I was praying for a lady here on the boards and the demons...well 6 of the masses that were hurting her, came through and attached themselves to me. All I did was pray a blessing on her in the name of Jesus. I did not attempt to deal with her situation. I was only 3 weeks into recovery. Well as soon as these dudes attached (different to possession by the way) I became instantly suicidal...within SECONDS. I praise the Lord I was able to recognise what it was and prayed myself out of it. I contacted my personal intercessor and he was able to see the leader who was on my back and disobeyed my orders. He was able to pray me free. Praise the Lord. Those two days were emotionally intense! My minister said I was targeted and asked my foriveness for obviously the team had not taken Jesus' warning seriously and had not been covering me properly. I have been fine thus far. I gotta tell you, this ministry is never boring!

[bridges]

One night about ten years ago, a friend called me and asked me to go help him cast demons out of an elder church sister's niece who had been running with the wrong crowd, doing drugs, and most recently trying to kill herself. He said he'd be over to pick me up in a few minutes.

My friend had a good dependable truck, but suddenly it wouldn't run. He called and asked for us to pray, and it still wouldn't run. After half an hour or so of that, I drove over and picked him up.

When we finally arrived at the Niece's apartment (I walked up the sidewalk still praying, my last words being "Lord I yield myself completely to Your will, have your way, in Jesus' name, Amen"), we were met at the door by the elder Aunt who had called my friend. She let us in. Once in, we were able to see her perfectly sane-and-normal-looking Niece sitting quietly on the couch.

It was easy enough to pick up on the evil present in the apartment (don't do bad things at your house, you'll encourage devils to hang out there), so we took oil and began anointing door and window lintels and jams and calling on Jesus' name, praying a hedge of God's Spirit on the place (it works, so why not?). After a few minutes, we started praying with the Niece.

Now, understand that she seemed just fine until we started to pray with her. When Jesus (or His servant) comes around and starts ordering the devil out, though, it's just like in the Bible, it gets the devils all stirred up. If they didn't want to be in a person, they wouldn't have moved in there in the first place, and they sure don't want to leave. She turned into a wild woman, and we all had to hold her there on the couch, and demonic deep manly voices were coming out of her, and it stunk to high heaven. Unlike in the Bible, where it just says things like "Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit" and you can read the whole story in less than a minute, in actual practice it can take a lot longer than you would think to cast a bunch of devils out of somebody. We were there for an hour and a half, my friend steadily commanding the devils out in Jesus' name, and myself steadily quoting scriptures and ignorantly (flying by the seat of my pants so to speak) doing the best I knew to do.

After over an hour praying with this lady, and after she had had the "dry heaves" for an extended period of time wherein numerous invisible but "smellable" (YUK!) spirits had made their ways out of her, we helped her settle down just a bit. Out comes this impish little voice, still obviously not her own, "I'm sleepy, I'm sleepy". May I say it was creepy? :) :D

My friend instantly recognized this as a play for sympathy by the last little imp "hanging on to the threshhold" so to speak, and he said "Oh no, you don't, you come out of her in the name of Jesus Christ," all the more determinedly, which struck me as somewhat cruel, since I felt sorry for the Niece by this time, for all she'd been through. Anyway, I learned another lesson, the demons are not too proud to play for your sympathy. They did it with Jesus ("let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God."), and they'll do the same on you. Thanks to the Lord and my friend's determination, the last devil finally came out.

Then she was able to pray WITH us, and to call on Jesus for herself in her own voice. She repented before God and came very near being filled with the Holy Ghost (we've already established that a lot of y'all disagree with my views on that, so I won't go into how I know). When it became apparent that we would get no further (I am guessing by what happened in her life not too long after, she still had something which she was unwilling to give up), we said our good-byes (it was like 9:30 pm by this time, and we are working family men) and went home to tell our wives of the experience.

Before that, I had been feeling very impatient to participate in casting out devils. I had heard many accounts of such activity, and I wanted to see something and do something. Well, it ain't fun, it's work, and not pleasant work, at that, and I've never been eager to do it again. When I see it needs done, and the person in question wants to be free, I do it. How do you tell if they want to be free? They will come looking for Jesus like the Gadarene wildman (Mark 5, Matt 8), and worship at His feet.

Use caution, and do the work if you can!

God bless y'all.

[Healing Oil]

To be honest, I only read the first post of this thread.

This last year I just felt so convicted to do away with any horror film. Dont get me wrong, I loved the thrills. But no matter how scary, or how dumb, I would feel so opressed, and terrified. I had visions of dead girls popping out in the road while driving, etc.

The first time I saw the preview for this movie, I almost fell into tears, and I prayed immediately to cleanse my mind of what I just saw. I now get those feelings of when I know the commercial is about to come on, and as soon as I hear the girl opening the door and saying "Emily..." I immediately reach for the remote, or if I cant get it I plug my ears.

Needless to say I refuse to see this movie despite my bf really wanting to. (Dont take this the wrong way please, I find nothing wrong with seeing these movies, really).

On a brighter note, the Excorcist(sp?) with Linda Blair made me crack up the first time I saw it...

My boyfriend's boss took his 7/8 year old son to see it the other night! I could never do that!.

[Debbie]

i also think it can be more subtle and manifest itself in some of the mental sicknesses that are diagnosed.

i quickly dismiss the belief that jesus and the apostles werent casting out demons but healing people of mental illness

I agree completely and love the perspective you put on the issue. It is one that I will use when the topic comes up in general discussions.

[bridges]

I never saw the movie. It is not likely I ever will. But I still wanted to give the real life account of my first actual experience casting out devils. Sorry about the selfishness (if that's what it was).

[Pouye]

I never saw the movie. It is not likely I ever will. But I still wanted to give the real life account of my first actual experience casting out devils. Sorry about the selfishness (if that's what it was).

Thanks for sharing. Scary stuff that I tend to shy away from, myself. The whole thing gives me the creeps, but at the same time, I'm confident that Jesus has the power over the enemy, and I know that His children can do all things through His power... it just ain't easy, if you know what I mean!

Rock

[Cornelius II]

A few months ago I had a friend to call me to ask for help with this guy, who is a Christian though a weak one, had been dealing with demonic activity in his house and in his own body (not possession).
The story is that this girl he had been working with liked him and wanted to be with him intimately but he of course refused. But she kept at him until he eventually did sleep with her. After that a lot of weird things starting happening.
Come to find out this girl actually practiced witchcraft and put some kind of seducing spirit on him.
This spirit would come upon him at night and would literally have sex with him. At times it would levitate him off the bed and sometimes he would smell cigarette smoke and alcohol. He has two children and they even knew that there was something strange going on in the house.
When I first heard about this I didn't believe it. I didn't know what to think of it. But when I actually met the guy at his house you could see the stress in his eyes. It was obvious he had been dealing with something.
We talked to the guy and counseled him some and then starting praying for him. My friends were praying and commanding evil spirits to leave.
That's when I could actually feel something evil there.
While they were praying, I was silent waiting for a word from God about what to do because this guy wasn‘t possessed with the demon where you could just cast it out in the name of Jesus but it would come upon him different nights. This was like the movie “Amenityville Horror”. Then the word came to me. I starting doing what Bridges said he did in his above post. I began going through every room in the house praying God’s authority and peace over them and instructed my friends to do the same. Later we anointed every room with oil.
It was a three level house so we started ground level then went downstairs. I had started back up the stairs by myself and as I reached the ground floor a sudden rush of fear hit me. It stunned me for a second then I got angry and began to rebuke the devil and proclaim he was defeated because Jesus had defeated him. I was just about to go upstairs but I felt I didn’t need to go by myself so I called for my friends to come with me. We again prayed over the rooms and when we came to the last one which was his two little girls’ room it was like God was waiting for us. There was so much joy and peace there that we started laughing, “In your presence is fullness of joy” PSALM 16:11. We knew we had driven that spirit from the house.
Praise God.

[prayercloth sis]

A few months ago I had a friend to call me to ask for help with this guy, who is a Christian though a weak one, had been dealing with demonic activity in his house and in his own body (not possession).
The story is that this girl he had been working with liked him and wanted to be with him intimately but he of course refused. But she kept at him until he eventually did sleep with her. After that a lot of weird things starting happening.
Come to find out this girl actually practiced witchcraft and put some kind of seducing spirit on him.
This spirit would come upon him at night and would literally have sex with him. At times it would levitate him off the bed and sometimes he would smell cigarette smoke and alcohol. He has two children and they even knew that there was something strange going on in the house.
When I first heard about this I didn't believe it. I didn't know what to think of it. But when I actually met the guy at his house you could see the stress in his eyes. It was obvious he had been dealing with something.
We talked to the guy and counseled him some and then starting praying for him. My friends were praying and commanding evil spirits to leave.
That's when I could actually feel something evil there.
While they were praying, I was silent waiting for a word from God about what to do because this guy wasn‘t possessed with the demon where you could just cast it out in the name of Jesus but it would come upon him different nights. This was like the movie “Amenityville Horror”. Then the word came to me. I starting doing what Bridges said he did in his above post. I began going through every room in the house praying God’s authority and peace over them and instructed my friends to do the same. Later we anointed every room with oil.
It was a three level house so we started ground level then went downstairs. I had started back up the stairs by myself and as I reached the ground floor a sudden rush of fear hit me. It stunned me for a second then I got angry and began to rebuke the devil and proclaim he was defeated because Jesus had defeated him. I was just about to go upstairs but I felt I didn’t need to go by myself so I called for my friends to come with me. We again prayed over the rooms and when we came to the last one which was his two little girls’ room it was like God was waiting for us. There was so much joy and peace there that we started laughing, “In your presence is fullness of joy” PSALM 16:11. We knew we had driven that spirit from the house.
Praise God.

Really enjoyed this, thank you for sharing. Praise God there is help to set the captive free. Jesus is an ever present help. God Bless You All

Rhonie

[RonT]

Not even interested in seeing this movie!! I remember when the Exorcist first showed on TV. Some of my friends came over to my place (I lived in a college town) and watched it. I would not even go out and watch it. I still remember getting chills just having it on in my place. The devil is real and I want nothinig to do with him. I will not not watch something having to do with him. I have also had an experience years ago that scared me very bad. Not even interested.


Ron

[dustmonkey08]

I am a teen and I don't even want to see it. I don't see movies like that. All my friends are like " I want to see that movie soooo bad." or " That movie looks tight." I am personal not interested.

[Pastor4God]

Here is just a few questions...It would be nice to hear everyone's opinions on this, but it would also be nice to have scripture to support your opinion....

First of all, What do you think about the influence Satan can have on Christians? How deep can this influence go? Can it be as deep as the influence on non-Christians?

Does this influence on Christians stop at oppression? OR, can it lead to possession, (as in Emily Rose).

The reason I bring this up because in the movie (which they say was based on a true story), Emily Rose was a catholic, and it seems she had a highly religious background...Of course, this does not mean she was a Christian, but I am going to assume she was a Christian. Well, it is obvious she becomes possessed in the movie...


SO, here is my thought...

IF she really was a Christian, and IF she really was possessed, does this mean Satan can actually take control of those who have already been implemented into the family of God, the elect?

I'm not so sure if I believe in the latter, because I believe that those who are truly in Christ have Christ's authority in them...and demonic forces yield and bow to Christ..What do you think?

I will share some scripture later, but now I must run...

God Bless!

[Battaschwing]

i also think it can be more subtle and manifest itself in some of the mental sicknesses that are diagnosed.

i quickly dismiss the belief that jesus and the apostles werent casting out demons but healing people of mental illness


i ABSOLUTELY agree with these statements Tulip.

...At the same time i wouldn't agree with watching a secular interpretation of demon possession. I don't see the benefit of watching these kinds of films. I really think its playing with fire. As a schizophrenic myself, i have to be careful what i watch. Films like Constantine, End of Days and this one give glory to satan (imho) - not that the Christian alternative film industry is worth choosing ;)

I myself had a supernatural encounter at a demon possessed house a few years back (a church friend can back me up on it 2!) and it was only after going 2 a prayer meeting that i saw the 'good side' of the fight. The end result was 2 months out of action...from life!! (well, almost anyway!). I wouldn't recommend a fascination in 'the dark side'.The scripture comes to mind that says 'Don't give the devil a foothold' and when it was written it didn't have cinema in mind...BUT...i do think that we as spirit filled Christians need to be careful what we allow into our minds (and spirits). Even now, i'm thinking 'But instead focus your mind on heavenly things'. Maybe the pastor4God can back me up with the scripture references? :)

I'll sum up by saying 'May God give you the wisdom and courage to make the choices that honour Him'. God Bless!

Chris

[Gandalf]

Here is just a few questions...It would be nice to hear everyone's opinions on this, but it would also be nice to have scripture to support your opinion....

First of all, What do you think about the influence Satan can have on Christians? How deep can this influence go? Can it be as deep as the influence on non-Christians?

Does this influence on Christians stop at oppression? OR, can it lead to possession, (as in Emily Rose).
Well, let's take a step back and look at the problem:

A Christian is a person who believes that Jesus died to provide atonement for his sins, and has decided to submit his will to God's own, making Jesus his Lord.

While Scripture does not explain in detail how to come under the influence of a demon, we can make some inferences from both Scripture and plain reason. Our own spirits interact with the physical realm primarily through enacting our wills via our minds. That is, we have direct control over our own bodies because our spirits can somehow act directly on our brains to cause our wills to be carried out in our bodies. That is really the only interaction our own spirits have with the physical world - we cannot by mere force of will move other objects, etc. - we can only control our minds.

We also know that spiritual attacks primarily come via thoughts. When we believe lies that are "fed" to us, we come under the influence of those spirits; when we reject them, putting the Truth against them, we do not. I believe that spiritual "oppression" basically consists of believing enough of the lies we're told by demons for them to gain some influence over our thoughts or emotions. "Possession" then, would seem to logically follow if we believe the lies to such an extent that we submit our wills to those of oppressive spirits. That is, we give ourselves to them. They cannot possess us by accident - it takes a submission (or resignation) of our wills to their own.

If such is true (and I admit, it cannot exactly be Scripturally proven, but it is at least a plausible conception, and I believe a rationally probable one, though I may not have presented a detailed enough argument to show it as such to all readers) then it would be effectively impossible to be "possessed" as a true Christian. If we were to submit our own wills to those of demonic spirits, we could not at the same time submit our own wills to that of God. Either the Holy Spirit is transforming our own spirits in such a way that our own wills are being brought in line with Jesus' (in which case we're Chrsitians), we are maintaining control of our own wills and pridefully refusing to submit to any others (in which case we're like most of those in the world - lost and not living as Christians, but not demonized), or our wills have been submitted to demonic spirits in such a way that they seem to "possess" us (in which case we're certainly not submitted to the Holy Spirit, and again are not Christians). We cannot serve any two of those three masters, let alone two that are diametrically opposed.

I think the question though shows a radically different understanding of demonic possession than that which I present. It seems to imply that a demon can simply take ownership of a person regardless of the person's wishes. I don't believe such is the case. They gain influence when we agree with them; we still have our own will. They only gain power when we choose to submit to them, whether because we desire it out of some lust for power, or we are resigned to it because of a lack of other obvious options. Certainly, they'll deceive people into such a position such that it's not obvious to the person that he's choosing to submit to a demon, but that's in effect what I think has to happen for a person to become possessed. Certainly, a believer would have to willfully refuse to submit to God and voluntarily submit to the enemy in order to become possessed - Satan has no claim on us. It may also be possible for a person in authority over another (e.g. parents over children) to open up the person under him to influence by demonic spirits. Such seems to be consistent with both Scripture (generational curses, etc) and practice. I don't pretend to know all the details. But, certainly the human spirit is not such that it is generally subject to "accidental possession" - we don't see most of the general population running around demon-possessed - and the enemy has no claim at all on the redeemed spirit of a believer. Only through willfully turning away from God and submitting to a demon could we become possessed in such a manner.

Even many unsaved people who are demonically "oppressed" are able to through sheer force of their own will refuse to give in to the oppression, though since they lack the power of God to help, they cannot free themselves of it entirely. Look at how schizophrenia was handled by John Nash (A Beautiful Mind), or how people handle OCD, etc. through controlling their thoughts. If they do not submit their wills, they are not brought under the control of the demon, only harrassed by it. Certainly, the better alternative is for a Christian to free them from it in Jesus' name, but the point is that our will plays a significant role in the matter.

Only parts of my position can be supported from Scripture - others are merely from reason based on experience or general principles that while they may be Scriptural, are not directly tied to the issue. I don't pretend to teach that my opinion here is the only interpretation of the matter, but I think it's consistent with what I've encountered both Scripturally and in experience - this isn't on par with one of the doctrinal issues I'd really argue hard for, just my current thinking on the matter. :)

[Battaschwing]

OKay, 4 those who are intereseted in the subject matter, and want a good Godly perspective on this i highly recommend 'Deliver Us From Evil by Pastor Don Basham'. It was an amazing (at times scary) account of a pastor who didn't go looking 4 the supernatural, but it came anyway.

Amazon link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0800793951/qid=1127457299/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-4242363-9301656?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

To add what i was saying b4, i had another experience where me and 3 mates were attacked and after we had gotten away one of my mates started manifesting. Its not fun, its actually a very nasty business. Thats why its important that every believer understand their position in Christ. Book of Matthew talks about Jesus commissioning the disciples to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers and cast out demons. Its my belief that every Christian has that same mandate..oh yeah and raise the dead...you'll have to ask David Hogan about that one!! ;)...Thats an awesome thought in itself....What if the church actually believed it!?!! Now i'm just speaking my mind. *sigh*

Back 2 the subject...my first demon possession experience was when one of our youth started manifesting about 4 yrs ago. Me and my mate were totally unprepared and had to call in help from other more mature Christians. He ended up in an institution for many months, but it opened a door i didn't want opened.It really freaked us out, and made me question my faith + the authority i have in Christ...If thats part of Gods plan, then i need 2 spend more time on my knees!!

..I'd be interested in hearing other viewpoints on why other ppl here went 2 see this film, i haven't even watched the Exorcist?!!

[Pastor4God]

If such is true (and I admit, it cannot exactly be Scripturally proven, but it is at least a plausible conception, and I believe a rationally probable one, though I may not have presented a detailed enough argument to show it as such to all readers) then it would be effectively impossible to be "possessed" as a true Christian. If we were to submit our own wills to those of demonic spirits, we could not at the same time submit our own wills to that of God. Either the Holy Spirit is transforming our own spirits in such a way that our own wills are being brought in line with Jesus' (in which case we're Chrsitians), we are maintaining control of our own wills and pridefully refusing to submit to any others (in which case we're like most of those in the world - lost and not living as Christians, but not demonized), or our wills have been submitted to demonic spirits in such a way that they seem to "possess" us (in which case we're certainly not submitted to the Holy Spirit, and again are not Christians). We cannot serve any two of those three masters, let alone two that are diametrically opposed.

Thanks Gandalf for the response!

I tend to agree in this sense. It doesn't make sense to accept that Christians can be overcome or possessed by Satan or any of his forces because true Christians have already submitted to God.

Of course, I can't seem to find concrete scripture or anything specific to back it up, but it makes sense in the entire context of the bible. True Christians who love Christ and are faithful to Him cannot be overcome by the enemy, unless they willfully submit to him.

Unlike many of the stories on here, I have had no experience or stories with demon possession in my life. I have never seen someone who was demon possessed, and I hope I never have to.

For those who have experience in this issue, have you ever seen a Christian become possessed?? If you have, are you certain and sure that person was a true Christian? In the case of Emily Rose, was she a true follower of Christ? Or was she simply a person who went to church, had a religious background, and never met Christ personally as her Savior? If this is the case, then this movie might make more sense to know that she was brutally possessed by demonic forces. Again, this is just a movie, and I don't know how much they used from the "true" story of Emily Rose.

Comment away if you like!!

[Betty]

Wihout giving out too much information on the movie, this film is about presenting persuasive arguments for two very different perspectives on this girl's condition and her story (of whether or not Emily is possessed by demons or delusional)
The director, Scott Derrickson,(who is a christian) says he put this film out for people to think. Is there a God? Do demon's exist?

[Godgrl Gomer]

Christians have the Holy Spirit, thus cannot be possessed. Darkness and Light cannot live in the one shell. HOWEVER. A Christian can be carrying demons.
What Gandalf had to say was fantastic. He is right.
Christians can be effected by the evil one to very dangerous points, like suicide for example. However, they are not being controlled like a puppet. A non Christian's soul belongs to satan and he can play with it as he wishes. But like Gandalf said...there is no accidental possession.

Here is an example. I have depression. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to be exact. I have been healed of most of it and the rest is maintained by a tiny amount of medication. A while back I was under spiritual attack and was suddenly having depressive thoughts. This is unusual for me. I could 'see' (I see in the spirit) a dark shadow lingering about me, trying to grab hold of me, but I hadn't yet given it permission. I had, however, started to listen to the negative thoughts. Once I recognised the dark shadow for what it was, a Spirit of Depression I rebuked it straight away and claimed the Blood of Jesus Christ and repented for even allowing myself to listen to the enemy instead of rejecting its words instantly. These thoughts were very strong. It was as I began to recognise the spirit, I knew that the next line of thoughts were going to be suicidal. so this was heavy. Not just, "you are ugly". But don't think those comments are harmless for that is where the enemy begins. Now in this instant I was strong enough to know that this was a spiritual attack, mostly due to experience. But not all can do that. The enemy could have one and talked me into taking my own life. He has almost succeded before. So even though were are not puppets, we can let satan in to a point where we cant resist him. Does that make sense?

I agree with Chris. Movies have a lot to answer for these days! And the enemy WILL use them. If they are a stumbling block for you, then you are best not to watch films like that. Like Jesus said, if your eye causes you to sin, then gouge it out. In this case, don't watch it. I rented out Constantine and laughed my guts out all the way through it. I am in deliverance and it was just so far off base it was comical, like a parody. But I was also DEEPLY concerned, because people don't know what is truth and what isn't. What Constantine DID get right was that we are surrounded by angels and demons all the time. They can be seen and the Light of Christ will expose them and shrink them down to their real size. Everything else seems to be medeavil myths and understandings. Also movies need to have gore in order to sell. What bugs me is it is always Catholic! anyway...
There are Dragon Slayers out there. They put their lives on the line everyday. But it is a calling and not something to get involved in because it sounds cool. The movies we see are usually 95% bogus. Jesus CAN use the film to His benefit to make one realise that there IS a devil. The greatest trick the devil pulled was having people believe he doesn't exist. Many to this day don't see the point in there being a God or the reality of a God because they dont believe in the enemy. But more often than not these films cause more harm than good. I tend to stay away from them and actually ignore them. But I HAD to check out Constantine... :p

[prayercloth sis]

I would like to add this to the topic at hand.

Scriptures taken from Luke 11: read 17-54

I will only post a few of these but this is good reading for any one interested.

V. 23 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

V. 24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

V. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.

V. 26 Then he goeth, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of the man is worse than the first.

This is a very serious statement. We should really be prayed up and full of the Holy Spirit.

Rhonie

[prayercloth sis]

Word ;)

Last time I made the mistake of doing what the guy I referred to did - being dumb enough to angrily challenge a demon without a clean spiritual house - I was picked up and thrown about 5 feet by something I couldn't see, then was almost killed 3 times over the next two months in really freaky occurences where I know the only reason I'm sitting here typing this right now is because God covered me from the ultimate consequence of my foolishness.

I agree - if your heart is pure, and you're soveriengly called to minister to one who is oppressed/possesed, then you've nothing to fear. BUT - make the mistakes some of us did and you're extremly fortunate if you walk away in one piece. This is why when those called to this kind of ministry are called into battle they're clean before God - their safety, as well as the safety of the one they are ministering to, depends on it.

Great post!! I concur!!!
God Bless

Rhonie

[Pamster]

I saw the movie last night.

At moments the hair on my arms stood on end. I am still trying to decide how I feel about the movie though. The story itself does open up the discussion about spiritual attacks. That is good. But it was a creepy movie and scared me...

[msscarlet82]

I saw the movie last night.

At moments the hair on my arms stood on end. I am still trying to decide how I feel about the movie though. The story itself does open up the discussion about spiritual attacks. That is good. But it was a creepy movie and scared me...

This movie looks just creepy. I don't want to go see it and I'm not planning on seeing it.

[ilovegod99]

Oh my goodness, why did you have to bring that up right before I'm going to bed?? The preview alone is enough to completely freak me out. I don't know that much about exorcism and demon possesion. In your opinion, do you think that the movie was true to what you think a demon possesed person would be like?
i agree the previews are very scarey i couldnt sleep for a week i dont know y because im a christain an d i no god will keep me safe but the previews where enough to scare u.also i dont think a demon possiesed person would not act like they show here acting like in the previews in the bible it says that pigs ran over a cliff whene theygot possesed plz tell me if i miss qouted but if its enough to make a pig do that i think its enough to make i human do that

p.s. sorry i cant spell