kenneth copeland

[Howlin' Wolf]

is preaching at a local charasmatic church tomorrow night. i'm going to check it out. this is the same man that said
"you dont have a God in you....you are one"
and he made millions off of selling a false hope.

should be an interesting night.....especially if i get to meet him

[middletree]

is preaching at a local charasmatic church tomorrow night. i'm going to check it out. this is the same man that said
"you dont have a God in you....you are one"
and he made millions off of selling a false hope.

should be an interesting night.....especially if i get to meet him
Tuilip, I'm no Copeland fan by any means. But if you're going to say he said something that heretical, I'd like to ask you to provide a link, please.

thanks

James

[Pouye]

Tuilip, I'm no Copeland fan by any means. But if you're going to say he said something that heretical, I'd like to ask you to provide a link, please.

thanks

James

Kenneth Copeland, "The Force Of Love" tape # 02-0028

Rock

[middletree]

Kenneth Copeland, "The Force Of Love" tape # 02-0028

Rock
Thanks. I will check that out. I didn't doubt that he said it if Tulip said he did. But when we quote such outlandish things, it's best to be able to verify it.

I'd be interested in the context, also, although I can't imagine any context that would make that statement make sense.

[ObiShawn]

should be an interesting night.....especially if i get to meet him


Well, you're bound to know that he's had plenty of people disagree with him and try to convince him otherwise and it hasn't happened yet, so all that is left is to beat the crap out of him. Good luck! :D

[Howlin' Wolf]

Well, you're bound to know that he's had plenty of people disagree with him and try to convince him otherwise and it hasn't happened yet, so all that is left is to beat the crap out of him. Good luck! :D

beating the crap out of him would be my honor

[WeaselInYerFoot]

beating the crap out of him would be my honor
It would be my honor to read posts from someone who did.

[godsdog]

if u do meet him..... be sure to have ur bible with you and confront all of his lies.......

[Godgrl Gomer]

Well, you're bound to know that he's had plenty of people disagree with him and try to convince him otherwise and it hasn't happened yet, so all that is left is to beat the crap out of him. Good luck! :D
LOL
I have heard his name but I don't know who he is. I am very interested to hear what happened Tulip. If this guys has upset so many, you are the one to take him on! God Bless you Brother

[jrmitch]

if u do meet him..... be sure to have ur bible with you and confront all of his lies.......Several others have, either in person or by correspondence. He hasn't changed. :(

For Godgrl and others unfamiliar w/Copelands background and theology here's a link from Apologetics Index that gives some helpful info:
http://www.apologeticsindex.com/c53.html

[godsdog]

thats enough to make me mad.... but i know u can't shove a watermelon down a persons mouth when its closed.... same goes with jesus

[Howlin' Wolf]

well, nothing really happened. but here is what transpired. the church was really small. about 50 people were there. i came in 15 minutes late and sat in the back. there were people in the front waving flags while the band played on. i noticed an israeli flag in the corner. i figured this would be interesting. while the band played, the pastor was talking about how praise is the "ONLY" thing we can give to God. and that baptists and methodists essentially wouldnt be in heaven. i guess baptists and methodists dont meet this guy's standards in p and w. i dont know. then kenneth's wife came up and shared a testimony about how they needed a new camper. they couldnt afford it, but they really loved it. so they laid hands on the camper and claimed it as their's in their prayers. and the next day, they drove away with it. then kenneth preached about "not being mad at the devil". his sermon wasnt necessarily blasphemous or heretical. the only thing i didnt like was that he made his point in the first 5 minutes and then harped on it for the next hour and a half. he also used a million prooftexts to validate his point, and he yelled a lot and jumped around. then, he made an altar call, people came up and he went to pray over them. but he never asked them what their needs were. he just grabbed their hand and placed his hand on their head and prayed. some were slain in the spirit. some werent. i still havent found a precedent in scripture for slaying in the spirit. then i heard some holy laughter, which is bull jive. then the preacher asked "who would like to be filled with the holy spirit and speak in tongues?" everybody stood up but me. then he gave this formula for receiving the holy spirit and said we werent leaving until everybody was speaking in tongues. he also commanded everybody to shout in tongues and that God would give them the interpretation later. 5 minutes later, he asked who had been filled. 12 of about 50 ppl raised their hands and then they ended the service. i immediately left. i didnt want to talk to anybody. i didnt want to rip kenneth. i just wanted to get out without getting sucked in to a bunch of conversations. because i knew it would be ugly.

all in all, it was a long night of misconceptions, prooftexts, unsound doctrine, and sensationalistic piety. next time i go back, i will wear my "free palestine" t-shirt

[godsdog]

well im sure as heck not going to heaven then.... im baptist....lol

[Howlin' Wolf]

well im sure as heck not going to heaven then.... im baptist....lol

you must wave a flag, speak in tongues, and dance to chris tomlin music. you must be happy when you do it.

at least that is what i deduced from the service. no reverence at all. very emotionally charged and the pastors seem to use that "emotion" to control the people. why do i say control?

because when the guy was giving this formula for speaking in tongues, he warned againt letting your mind get in the way. that just doesnt add up. i wont receive a gift because i have knowledge of doctrine? my mind hinders me from receiving blessings? sounds like crap to me

[godsdog]

i have to agree i have the same block.... he preaches for attention and the attention... for now he will get but even God warns about preaching on the "street corner"

[Godgrl Gomer]

wow these guys sound crazy! a lot to do about nothing! what was the bit about baptisits and methodists? whats the problem? Jesus doesn't save via denomination.... :confused:

[Gandalf]

For Godgrl and others unfamiliar w/Copelands background and theology here's a link from Apologetics Index that gives some helpful info:
http://www.apologeticsindex.com/c53.html
This quote pretty well sums it up:
Copeland's errors are largely due to his negative stance on reasoning, his poor handling of the Bible, his aversion toward theology, and his bias against tradition.
i immediately left. i didnt want to talk to anybody. i didnt want to rip kenneth. i just wanted to get out without getting sucked in to a bunch of conversations. because i knew it would be ugly.
That was probably wise. No good would've come of arguing with people who explicitly refuse to use reason to form their beliefs.

[Pouye]

you must wave a flag, speak in tongues, and dance to chris tomlin music. you must be happy when you do it.

at least that is what i deduced from the service. no reverence at all. very emotionally charged and the pastors seem to use that "emotion" to control the people. why do i say control?

because when the guy was giving this formula for speaking in tongues, he warned againt letting your mind get in the way. that just doesnt add up. i wont receive a gift because i have knowledge of doctrine? my mind hinders me from receiving blessings? sounds like crap to me

I was in a "Word of Faith" denomination for serveral years. I learned some good things, actually (nobody gets everything wrong), but I fully agree with you, and I know what you are talking about. I sat through many a similar meeting.

Actually, I still believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but as the Bible teaches, not as taught by charismatic preachers who use large doses of emotionalism and sensationalism to mesmerize the throngs.

Rock

[bholdj]

and that baptists and methodists essentially wouldnt be in heaven. i guess baptists and methodists dont meet this guy's standards in p and w.

Yea, i bet hes jealous! Methodists sure like to eat instead of do that tongues stuff :D

[middletree]

Actually, I still believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but as the Bible teaches, not as taught by charismatic preachers who

I think people here have varying definitions of the word 'charismatic'. I believe that believers still have the gifts of the Holy Spirit, including the miraculous ones. Individuals have different gifts, all for the purpose of working together for God's work. The gift of teaching of hospitality is just as supernatural as healing or tongues.

If someone has the gift of healing, it will usually manifest itself in someone getting healthy due as answer to prayer offered up by someone with that gift, not with all of the hype we see on TBN.

If someone has the gift of tongues, there are very strict directives on how it is to take place. Most believers won't have this gift. Most won't have the gift of teaching, or administration, or any one single gift you can name.

By some people's definition, that would make me a charismatic. However, this thread and others use that name followed by descriptions of people who don't act or believe anything like I do.

I just hate to see everyone lumped together like that.

[Psalm25Gomer]

beating the crap out of him would be my honor


I know someone who said that same thing about meeting Benny Hinn. :eek:

[Howlin' Wolf]

I think people here have varying definitions of the word 'charismatic'. I believe that believers still have the gifts of the Holy Spirit, including the miraculous ones. Individuals have different gifts, all for the purpose of working together for God's work. The gift of teaching of hospitality is just as supernatural as healing or tongues.

If someone has the gift of healing, it will usually manifest itself in someone getting healthy due as answer to prayer offered up by someone with that gift, not with all of the hype we see on TBN.

If someone has the gift of tongues, there are very strict directives on how it is to take place. Most believers won't have this gift. Most won't have the gift of teaching, or administration, or any one single gift you can name.

By some people's definition, that would make me a charismatic. However, this thread and others use that name followed by descriptions of people who don't act or believe anything like I do.

I just hate to see everyone lumped together like that.

i agree with all of this

ironically, after i left, i called my old college roommate who is AoG, to tell him about everything

[Howlin' Wolf]

I was in a "Word of Faith" denomination for serveral years. I learned some good things, actually (nobody gets everything wrong), but I fully agree with you, and I know what you are talking about. I sat through many a similar meeting.

Actually, I still believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but as the Bible teaches, not as taught by charismatic preachers who use large doses of emotionalism and sensationalism to mesmerize the throngs.

Rock

one thing i noticed, is that in praising God, they attributed EVERYTHING to God. God's total sovereignty over everything, including God being the one who decides what clothes we are going to wear.(the guy that said this was wearing a pink shirt and i could see his wifebeater underneath). now i am all for the sovereignty of God, as you all know. but even i dont attribute things like "what to wear" as a choice ordained by God. my question is how can they say all of that and then deny God's sovereignty over salvation? am i really to believe that God decides what i am going to eat everyday and what i am going to wear, but that sovereign election is bogus?

seriously, this guy's theology is a disaster

[Psalm25Gomer]

I heard rumors that Kenneth Copeland was also a Mason...someone saw the comic series he has..which features his character wearing a Mason's symbol.......so I emailed his ministry and asked....

Of course the response I got was: "Thank you for bringing this to our attention, dear Sister in Christ,...Brother Copeland is in NO way associated with the Masons...."

Hmmm......




I'm not bashing anyone who proclaims to be doing what God wants them to do....I have no right to be judging anyone...so I'm not.....however.....

The Lord did say to judge a person by their fruits.

[Tribal]

i just wanted to get out without getting sucked in to a bunch of conversations.



:eek: Where is T-5p & what have you done with him !!!!!





;)

[shelleybeansMAN]

beating the crap out of him would be my honor
boy,that's real christian love there,huh?you say that because you dont agree with the man?

[ObiShawn]

boy,that's real christian love there,huh?you say that because you dont agree with the man?

It isn't because he (we) disagree with him, it is because of the false doctrine that Kenneth spreads. Violence isn't the answer, of course. The original post (which I posted) that referred to "beating the crap out of Kenneth" was actually a bit of sarcasm, not an actual suggestion.

Wanting to punch a guy in the mouth and actually doing it are two different things. The question is "how legalistic do you want to get?" You can't say that you don't have urges and temptations that you don't act on. It's self-control that keeps us from doing such things.

[meak]

it seems that this message board has a problem with every preacher out there. i have never read a thread about a pastor that wasn't a complete flaming of their credibility and or the doctrine they teach. i honestly get sick of it. i highly doubt he said baptist or methodist won't go to heaven. apparently you don't believe in speaking in tongues, which is probably one of the reasons you despise his teachings. i've never heard any dirt on him but it's funny because i can come here and hear dirt on probably any preacher that doesn't preach nothing but "Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world." just because you don't agree with some things a man preaches doesn't not make them a false whatever. all i care to know about you is Christ and him crucified. that's what paul said. so instead of talking about beating the crap out of a minister why not keep your own mouth shut and pray for the man if you feel that strongly about it. i am a little aggravated about this topic and i don't feel the need to be apologetic. i think this bashing is wrong...it is not constructive and is nothing but division.

[bholdj]

i think this bashing is wrong...it is not constructive and is nothing but division.

So, you believe meak, that if you, or any of us, see something we believe to be wrong, just leave it alone, right?

I mean, who cares if Mark Mcqwire, former slugger for the cardnials, has been medically proven to take steriods, i mean gosh its his choice, why should we bother :rolleyes: ?

I agree, theres a time and a place for not bashing a fellow man. But there's also a time for dancing when the music starts.

[ObiShawn]

all i care to know about you is Christ and him crucified.

So, if I were a pastor of a church and secretly a pedophile, you'd be ok with that? I'm not saying that Copeland is a pedophile, just making a point that there is more to a person than their "claim" to be a Christian. But you appearently don't care because you are quick to defend the man when you have said yourself that you havne't heard these negative things about him.

so instead of talking about beating the crap out of a minister why not keep your own mouth shut and pray for the man if you feel that strongly about it. i am a little aggravated about this topic and i don't feel the need to be apologetic. i think this bashing is wrong...it is not constructive and is nothing but division.

As I stated in my previous post, the original post that even brought up beating the crap out of Copeland was sarcasm, not an actual suggestion. The point being that fighting him would be as pointless and ineffective to pursuade him to see a different point of view than talking to him, which has been done countless times.

Now, if this is true that the members of the board have bashed every preacher that gets brought up, I don't know anything about that, but if it is true, I could understand your anger at the situation.

[meak]

So, you believe meak, that if you, or any of us, see something we believe to be wrong, just leave it alone, right?

I mean, who cares if Mark Mcqwire, former slugger for the cardnials, has been medically proven to take steriods, i mean gosh its his choice, why should we bother :rolleyes: ?

I agree, theres a time and a place for not bashing a fellow man. But there's also a time for dancing when the music starts.

no, i said "if you feel that strongly about it pray for the man". that is doing something...oh...unless you think your prayers are useless :rolleyes:. i don't care what you say God did NOT call us to critique and bash. you judge by the fruit and then i guess it just depends on what the definition of fruit is...is it people coming to christ...then yes he is producing the fruit. the man has very good teachings, just because you don't agree with some of it doesn't mean he is completely full of lies. no one is 100% right about everything. when you and i get to heaven i'm sure there are going to be things that we were wrong about so why should kenneth copeland be any different. he hasn't preached any false doctrines that would send someone to hell...nothing i've heard anyway. when the man starts preaching that the only way to heaven is through satan then you can come on here and start talking about false teachings...but i say you guys are wrong on this one. he has done nothing to deserve the bashing he's getting on here.

[meak]

So, if I were a pastor of a church and secretly a pedophile, you'd be ok with that? I'm not saying that Copeland is a pedophile, just making a point that there is more to a person than their "claim" to be a Christian. But you appearently don't care because you are quick to defend the man when you have said yourself that you havne't heard these negative things about him.


those are two completely different issues. a pedophile would be someone that is living in sin and is not walking with God...so are you saying that copeland is living in sin and not walking with God? oh, right you said you weren't saying he was a pedophile well, i wasn't saying being a pedophile would be okay. i have never seen any evidence to believe kenneth copeland was living in sin or teaching false doctrines that will lead people to hell...if he starts that then i can understand your disgust with him. but he hasn't done any of that.

and yes, any time i have personally read a thread about a minister it has been nothing but negative talk about them being after money, being false prophets/teachers etc. which is the only reason i posted on this one because i'm tired of hearing nothing but negativity about people that are out there spreading the gospel. if the fruit is there how can you deny it?

[Gandalf]

Let's take a step back here, guys. People are saying Copeland has bad theology and teaches things that are not supported by Scripture. That is not the same as saying he's a pedophile, etc. We can accept him as a brother in Christ and at the same time say that what he's teaching is verifiably false, and should be refuted. God is gracious and will use the guy if he's willing to obey, even if he's very confused about theology. That doesn't mean we have to pretend he's correct, but we also can't go deck the guy just because we don't like what he says. Let's everyone calm down and not attack the guy personally, or each other.

As for why there are probably more threads about preachers with a negative tone than a positive one... people are just more likely to post about things they're upset about, and more likely to notice things that upset them. Maybe not the best, but it's human nature.

[bholdj]

when the man starts preaching that the only way to heaven is through satan then you can come on here and start talking about false teachings...

I agree, yet just cause i disagree with something, dosen't mean I think it's false :D . I disagree with how the Alabama football team is rated so far low in this years polls, that dosen't mean that I don't accept the reality that there number 35 in the top 50 teams in the country :D

[ObiShawn]

those are two completely different issues.
The pedophile anology, admitedly is not the best I could have used, but it isn't the "secret thing" that I was making the issue. You said,

all i care to know about you is Christ and him crucified.
And my point is there is more to a person that the fact that they claim to be a Christian. To ignore the other aspects of a person's life just because they say they carry around a Bible would be foolish. When setting standards for elders and deacons, Paul made some pretty specific statements that deals with other aspects of a Christian's life than seeing people get saved.

and yes, any time i have personally read a thread about a minister it has been nothing but negative talk about them being after money, being false prophets/teachers etc. which is the only reason i posted on this one because i'm tired of hearing nothing but negativity about people that are out there spreading the gospel. if the fruit is there how can you deny it?
I'm sorry about this, it would annoy me too. (I've been away for about a year, so I've been out of touch with the goings-on of this board). If I were hearing negative things about a person though, I wouldn't turn a blind eye to it, I would at least investigate for myself to see how valid the claims were. But that is a separate issue.

I know the point you are trying to make, "it doesn't matter which preacher gets mentioned, the memebrs of this board seem to have nothing good to say about him" (your words, not mine. Like I said, I've been away and cannot confirm or deny the point you are making).

If people have concrete reason to make such claims, then I believe it is called for. But if they are jumping on the bash-a-preacher bandwagon, then I am in complete agreement with you. Paul said in Philippians that there were people preaching the gospel out of sincerity and some for gain, but he didn't care because the Word was still being preached. You are right, if people are coming to the knowledge of God, this is a good thing. But if the teachings they get afterward are poor, then that doesn't do anybody any good.

[meak]

And my point is there is more to a person that the fact that they claim to be a Christian. To ignore the other aspects of a person's life just because they say they carry around a Bible would be foolish. When setting standards for elders and deacons, Paul made some pretty specific statements that deals with other aspects of a Christian's life than seeing people get saved.


understood but, i wasn't saying people claiming to be christians i'm talking true believers. i believe kenneth copeland is more than someone claiming to be a christian. i beleive he is a christian. if he has any doctrines that are odd (again i have never personally heard anything to alarm myself and i've heard a bit from him) it's nothing that is going to send anyone to hell for believing. and that's what i meant about "knowing nothing but Christ and him crucified." i feel that people get wrapped up in the small things...like so what if he believes you have to wear long sleeves or not, makeup or not, dresses or not etc...as long as he's preaching christ crucified and people are coming to christ then the other stuff doesn't matter.



I'm sorry about this, it would annoy me too. (I've been away for about a year, so I've been out of touch with the goings-on of this board). If I were hearing negative things about a person though, I wouldn't turn a blind eye to it, I would at least investigate for myself to see how valid the claims were. But that is a separate issue.

I know the point you are trying to make, "it doesn't matter which preacher gets mentioned, the memebrs of this board seem to have nothing good to say about him" (your words, not mine. Like I said, I've been away and cannot confirm or deny the point you are making).

If people have concrete reason to make such claims, then I believe it is called for. But if they are jumping on the bash-a-preacher bandwagon, then I am in complete agreement with you. Paul said in Philippians that there were people preaching the gospel out of sincerity and some for gain, but he didn't care because the Word was still being preached. You are right, if people are coming to the knowledge of God, this is a good thing. But if the teachings they get afterward are poor, then that doesn't do anybody any good

i agree, we should investigate things. like you pointed out i was only stating i was tired of the bashing. i know some about copeland and none of what i've heard from him has alarmed me.

[Yippy]

if the fruit is there how can you deny it?
I think that very often God blesses the heart of the seeker regardless of the one preaching. I've seen a man lead many people to Christ, but at home was very abusive to his wife and family. A local church ordained him, he had the backing of leadership who turned a blind eye to his family's misery, and he led missionary teams to Mexico...he seemed fruitful. Meanwhile, his wife's faith was seriously damaged and his children became very hardened to God's word (one son has suffered mentally). Someone asked me how God could bless his ministry while his family suffered immeasurably. I said that God didn't bless his ministry but blessed the people who sought Him. I've seen that happen a lot in the church.

I would also be careful how you define "fruit." Satan can "bless" too.

I do understand your frustration with negativity. LIke Gandalf said, we can discuss a man's theology without resorting to bashing (my interpretation ;) ).
As for why there are probably more threads about preachers with a negative tone than a positive one... people are just more likely to post about things they're upset about, and more likely to notice things that upset them. Maybe not the best, but it's human nature.
I was going to say the same thing...If it was a praise-about-a-preacher thread, it would go something like this: Yeah, he's awesome. He's awesome...Yeah, man, he's awesome...thread dies. ;)


I have a brother who's very involved in the Word of Faith/prosperity camp as was I many, many years ago. For my own spiritual health, I'll leave the topic of Kenneth Copeland alone.

[meak]

I think that very often God blesses the heart of the seeker regardless of the one preaching. I've seen a man lead many people to Christ, but at home was very abusive to his wife and family. A local church ordained him, he had the backing of leadership who turned a blind eye to his family's misery, and he led missionary teams to Mexico...he seemed fruitful. Meanwhile, his wife's faith was seriously damaged and his children became very hardened to God's word (one son has suffered mentally). Someone asked me how God could bless his ministry while his family suffered immeasurably. I said that God didn't bless his ministry but blessed the people who sought Him. I've seen that happen a lot in the church.



okay, if the man was abusive to his family then that isn't the FRUIT of a christian, is it? i wasn't saying just the fruit of salvation but, the mans life as well. again, i've never heard anything about copeland being abusive to his family or adultry etc. and then comes his minsitry, i haven't heard anything that is horrible.

[shelleybeansMAN]

what ever happened to praying for our brothers and sisters?this is whats wrong with the church as a whole.lets believe what GOD said in HIS word and not some mans interpretation of it,speaking denominationally.we should pray for everyone to come to the knowledge of the truth,not our idea of the truth.

[middletree]

This is not a matter of a preacher who teaches something disputable, like losing salvation, which theologians have struggled with for centuries. This is a false teacher, whose teachings are harmful to thousands, maybe millions of followers. Jesus called out false teachers. Paul did. Heck, Paul even called Peter out on one thing, because what he was teaching was harmful. Copeland may have good intentions. He may not be trying to fleece anyone. But his teachings are anti-biblical, and they are affecting untold numbers of believers and seekers.

[Howlin' Wolf]

This is not a matter of a preacher who teaches something disputable, like losing salvation, which theologians have struggled with for centuries. This is a false teacher, whose teachings are harmful to thousands, maybe millions of followers. Jesus called out false teachers. Paul did. Heck, Paul even called Peter out on one thing, because what he was teaching was harmful. Copeland may have good intentions. He may not be trying to fleece anyone. But his teachings are anti-biblical, and they are affecting untold numbers of believers and seekers.

pop goes postmodernsm. its so rampant here that it makes me sick

[Howlin' Wolf]

i agree, we should investigate things. like you pointed out i was only stating i was tired of the bashing. i know some about copeland and none of what i've heard from him has alarmed me.

what does that say about you?

[jrmitch]

Guys, this is actually a pretty important topic, but it goes much deeper than Copeland. In the sake of broadening it out I've started a new link on the "Word" section titled "Orthodoxy vs. Heresy".

Peace/Jim ;)

[Howlin' Wolf]

Guys, this is actually a pretty important topic, but it goes much deeper than Copeland. In the sake of broadening it out I've started a new link on the "Word" section titled "Orthodoxy vs. Heresy".

Peace/Jim ;)

jim, what are you thinking!?!? we cant have another thread bashing preachers that we dont like!

just kidding

[Psalm25Gomer]

This is not a matter of a preacher who teaches something disputable, like losing salvation, which theologians have struggled with for centuries. This is a false teacher, whose teachings are harmful to thousands, maybe millions of followers. Jesus called out false teachers. Paul did. Heck, Paul even called Peter out on one thing, because what he was teaching was harmful. Copeland may have good intentions. He may not be trying to fleece anyone. But his teachings are anti-biblical, and they are affecting untold numbers of believers and seekers.
Reminds me of the saying:


The road to destruction is paved with good intentions.

[rossid]

I don't listen to Kenneth Copeland much but used to follow another Word of Faith preacher until a brother called me on it and told me to investigate the doctrine. He said that a false Jesus was being preached. That is serious.

[meak]

what does that say about you?

if this mans doctrines are so messed up just post all of the horrible false teachings he has...because apparently i've missed them. i don't like that you're trying to hint at something about my salvation. just come out and say what you really mean. give me proof that he is a false teacher. don't tell me to go search it out because if you're going to call someone out on false teachings you should be providing the proof. this is pathetic. i said what i have heard hasn't alarmed me, doesn't mean i've heard every single thing this man has taught. but i still stand by what i said, a lot of you guys here will find something negative to say about any preacher. you run around here saying that "hey God called paul out." yeah, he did but, there is a BIG difference in how God "called paul out" and what is going on in this thread.

[middletree]

Actually, Copeland's false teachings have been posted here in this thread. Please go back and read them before making accusations that people are just here dropping hints. Very specific quotes, as well as their source, from Copeland are contained in this thread.

[Gandalf]

Since not much of substance has been posted recently on this thread, I'm closing it for now, lest the argument get out of hand.