Asheville, NC Woman Sued For Illegal Music Downloads

[Tony Trout]

Boy, they're really crackin' down on this................


Asheville, NC Woman Sued For Illegal Music Downloads (http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050822/NEWS01/50821062/1009)

[wbthornton]

Wow!!!!

I imagine that most people here particpated in Kazaa or Napster or other similar services.

[Howlin' Wolf]

the music industry has taken this a bit too far

[Tony Trout]

the music industry has taken this a bit too far




For once I have to say that I agree with you. It's gettin' ridiculous........

[Howlin' Wolf]

For once I have to say that I agree with you. It's gettin' ridiculous........

wasnt a little girl sued last year?

[The Unknown Gomer]

And wasn't there research done that said that the downloading actually had MINIMAL impact on CD sales, that a) a lot of the stuff that was being downloaded was NOT new stuff, that it was oddball stuff that was on obscure or never released on CD in the first place? and b) that the drop in sales had much more to do with the increase in sales of DVDs and video games and other media materials? People only have so much money to spend, and if they're spending it on DVDs and the newest video game system, they won't have it to spend on music.

That's just what I've heard, anyway... don't know how accurate that is...

[Tony Trout]

wasnt a little girl sued last year?


Yes, there was...but I can't remember the little girl's name......

[MadCatholicGomer]

Personally, I think these crackdowns are a good thing. The people who make the music have the property rights to them... if it is no big deal to copy them or distribute them on the internet... than don't do it (ie. why are you doing it if it isn't a big deal whether you do it or not?), because it is illegal. With the opportunity to buy individual songs these days, an option that, while not necessary for the companies and artists to grant, they have graciously granted, there are no excuses about "liking only a song or two on the cd, so why should I buy it?" Have I ever used napster or anything of that sort? Nope. Have I ever burned a CD from someone else? Yep, but later on I bought the CD for myself. Christians are called to be set apart from any hint of sin, and illegal copying is, at least, a "hint of sin."

[popetart]

Personally, I think these crackdowns are a good thing. The people who make the music have the property rights to them... if it is no big deal to copy them or distribute them on the internet... than don't do it (ie. why are you doing it if it isn't a big deal whether you do it or not?), because it is illegal. With the opportunity to buy individual songs these days, an option that, while not necessary for the companies and artists to grant, they have graciously granted, there are no excuses about "liking only a song or two on the cd, so why should I buy it?" Have I ever used napster or anything of that sort? Nope. Have I ever burned a CD from someone else? Yep, but later on I bought the CD for myself. Christians are called to be set apart from any hint of sin, and illegal copying is, at least, a "hint of sin."


I have to second this.

I will say that I used napster once. And I have burned cd's. But, I also realized how wrong all this was. Deleted the songs I had downloaded, and destroyed the cd's I had burned.

I will also say that downloading songs illegally does affect the artists directly. I've seen it first hand. Having many friends who are artists, I have seen how people downloading the music instead of buying the cd has caused people to struggle to make mortgage payments and put food on the table.

[Howlin' Wolf]

paying 13 bucks for one good song and 12 pieces of garbage affects me directly. but thats beside the point. lost of people, including myself, download B-sides, rarities, covers, live and acoustic versions of songs.

for example, i would have zero problem downloading a copy of contagious, long time forgotten, southern tracks, the alien single, and any live bootleg from third day. i once heard Mac say that downloading was stealing. but i'm not the one that decided that these cd's be out of print. and the lord knows that the gomers have begged the band to re-release this stuff and they wont. so i'll just "steal" it.

i also am a big proponent of downloading songs before i buy the cd

[Kyle's dad]

for example, i would have zero problem downloading a copy of contagious, long time forgotten, southern tracks, the alien single, and any live bootleg from third day. i once heard Mac say that downloading was stealing. but i'm not the one that decided that these cd's be out of print. and the lord knows that the gomers have begged the band to re-release this stuff and they wont. so i'll just "steal" it.

I can't believe I am going to say this, but I agree. I remember when Time came out and it was announced on the web-site that the first 10,000 or something like that sold would include a copy of Southern Tracks. I made sure I got to the local Christian book store as soon as they opened up, so I could be one of the ones to get Southern Tracks. I found out that they had only sent the CDs to certain stores in certain parts of the country. So now if I want it, I could go to e-bay and buy it off some yahoo for $25, or download it for free, which doesn't affect Third Day since they refuse to put it on the market anyway. On the other hand, there's the person who did manage to somehow get the free promotional CD and is now trying to make money off of it by selling it on E-bay. But hey, at least they have the peace of knowing that they got it the "honest" way.

[bholdj]

Personally, I think these crackdowns are a good thing. The people who make the music have the property rights to them... if it is no big deal to copy them or distribute them on the internet... than don't do it (ie. why are you doing it if it isn't a big deal whether you do it or not?), because it is illegal. "

I downloaded Southern Tracks last year. Due to the fact that it wasn't on sale, plus I have a copy of the "Cometogether tour" Dvd, and had a friend who was nice enough to help me make copies of the live tracks to "40 days" and "Get on". I don't see anything wrong with making backups to your own property. No different than saving your term paper to a second disk :D .

[godsdog]

i know im prolly the only one who thinks this.... but i really think they should crack down on it... its not legal. so we shouldn't be doing it

[bholdj]

i know im prolly the only one who thinks this.... but i really think they should crack down on it... its not legal. so we shouldn't be doing it

The music industry has no argument as far as im concerned on the issue on downloading music that is out of print. Southern Tracks from thirdday is a good exampe

[popetart]

Except that Southern Tracks isn't completely impossible to get. In fact, if you purchase the Time album in the online store, you get a copy of Southern Tracks with it. And if you already have Time? Now you have another copy to pass along to somebody who needs to hear a message it offers. That's what I did.

(It's available in the online store as of this post, anyway. I checked to make sure before I posted this.)

[R. Smith]

I was told that downloading here in Canada is legal, and no one get's sued for doing it. But I don't know how true that is, I still hear stories about Canadians getting in trouble for downloading music.

I myself have downloaded songs, on Kazza & now on WIN MX. But after my trip to Alaska, I haven't used WIN MX that much. Personally, I don't have a problem downloading music. Southern Tracks & Carry Me Home, both these CD's were not avalible here in my hometown. I had to travel 8 hours to get a copy of Southern Tracks, and Carry me Home...i had to buy off e-bay.

-R-

[Howlin' Wolf]

I was told that downloading here in Canada is legal, and no one get's sued for doing it. But I don't know whow true that is, I still hear stories about Canadians getting in trouble for downloading music.

I myself have downloaded songs, on Kazza & now on WIN MX. But after my trip to Alaska, I haven't used WIN MX that much. Personally, I don't have a problem downloading music. Southern Tracks & Carry Me Home, both these CD's were not avalible here in my hometown. I had to travel 8 hours to get a copy of Southern Tracks, and Carry me Home...i had to buy off e-bay.

-R-

winmx is awesome!

[bholdj]

Except that Southern Tracks isn't completely impossible to get. In fact, if you purchase the Time album in the online store, you get a copy of Southern Tracks with it. And if you already have Time? Now you have another copy to pass along to somebody who needs to hear a message it offers. That's what I did.

(It's available in the online store as of this post, anyway. I checked to make sure before I posted this.)

Ok, what about Thirdday's cover of "ramblin man" at creation east? "Get on", and "40 days" mp3's live off the cometogether tour DVD that I own :cool: .

Sorry, minor arguments can be made as you suggested, but not evreybody has the luxury to get online and buy the disk.

[popetart]

Ok, what about Thirdday's cover of "ramblin man" at creation east? "Get on", and "40 days" mp3's live off the cometogether tour DVD that I own :cool: .

Sorry, minor arguments can be made as you suggested, but not evreybody has the luxury to get online and buy the disk.


If you're making a back-up copy of something you have paid $$ for, all is cool. Or, if the artist has given permission for you to download/burn something (example: bootlegs such as provided on this website), then go for it. Otherwise, you have no right to the music. Yes, I have burned copies of cd's I've purchased. Mostly for when I travel. I don't want to risk losing/scratching/otherwise ruining the 'good' cd.

And I realize not everybody has the ability to get online and buy the disk. But, where there's a will, there's a way. I know that I've purchased it for others without that luxury; they pay me and I sent it to them. I know there have been many on this board willing to do that for others. (Mostly when it comes to getting a Gomer shirt, but I'm sure the same would apply.)

Since I think this subject has been hashed and re-hashed more than necessary, this is going to be my last post in this one. I know how I feel about this; God has laid it on my heart. I've seen how it affects those I love who also rely on selling records to make their living. No, I'm not offended. But, for the most part, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.

[bholdj]

If you're making a back-up copy of something you have paid $$ for, all is cool. Or, if the artist has given permission for you to download/burn something (example: bootlegs such as provided on this website), then go for it. Otherwise, you have no right to the music. Yes, I have burned copies of cd's I've purchased. Mostly for when I travel. I don't want to risk losing/scratching/otherwise ruining the 'good' cd.


That was my point i was trying to make. As far as burning whole Cd's without buying them first. That is an entirley different matter :D .

Glad we cleared things up

John