Obama - The First Year...

[Evanescence]

Obama's 1-year report card is here for your viewing and commenting pleasure...

Please vote...

I give him a C+

He inherited a lot of problems but has also done some things that i do not agree with. But overall, he has been mediocre...

GO!

[Evanescence]

...and I voted for the Phillies...

[Jesuslove]

...and I voted for the Phillies...

Ditto!!! I want to see the Phils beat those high-priced/overpaid spoiled Yankees!!! GO Phils!!!

Have you been watching the series? I'm very sleep deprived here at work as a result of watching all 5 games.

[Evanescence]

I was away in the Mtns last week trapping coyotes....no TV. Watched most of it last night and the other day...

Phils have a tough time ahead of them...

[cheewiee]

I gave him a D... if I could have it would have been a D-...

The Economy...

Going into Office, Obama sold his second stimilus package as a way to save or create 3 million jobs... The official administration count is 600,000 plus, although they say that its more like a million. :rolleyes:

The War...

Obama said he was going to get us out of Iraq, what we see happening is an exchange of US Military, with US Contractors...

Afganastan... Never in my life have I ever seen War politicized the way I am seeing this war. The General have said that to win this war they need a buildup of forces. The Administration needs to decide whether we as a nation will continue to engage the Talaban, or whether we leave. This indecisive not wanting to make an unpopular discision is costing American's their lives. We need to be either all in or all out.

Freedom of Speech... The Administration's foolish battle with Fox news is scary.. honestly... Gotta give Bush Credit, he still engaged his critics... Obama is gutting the first amendment by sidelining Fox this way, while embracing a news organization that is equally "slanted" but going his direction...

[Evanescence]

Gotta throw the NO WAY flag at that last statement Chew, Bush totally stayed away from some news networks just like Obama is....

If anything, they're two peas in a pod

[Jesuslove]

I was away in the Mtns last week trapping coyotes....no TV. Watched most of it last night and the other day...

Phils have a tough time ahead of them...

Martinez will pitch tomorrow night. His last two outings have been great! And when game 7 happens, you'll see Cliff Lee back on the mound at some point.

[Jesuslove]

Freedom of Speech... The Administration's foolish battle with Fox news is scary.. honestly... Gotta give Bush Credit, he still engaged his critics... Obama is gutting the first amendment by sidelining Fox this way, while embracing a news organization that is equally "slanted" but going his direction...

I longed to see Bush on tv, but he rarely was. His press conferences were comedic. At least Obama holds press conferences and fields questions.

[cheewiee]

Bush may have ignored reporters.. but never did he carry on a verbal campaign against whole news organizations.... HUGE difference there....

[Jesuslove]

Bush may have ignored reporters.. but never did he carry on a verbal campaign against whole news organizations.... HUGE difference there....

Agreed. Bush didn't have the intelligence to debate issues, so he ignored reporters and didn't take questions. Or better yet, Bush planted reporters in the audience to toss him softballs. Obama ignores Fox's correspondents, which aren't reporters. Yes, agreed... big difference.

[cheewiee]

Agreed. Bush didn't have the intelligence to debate issues, so he ignored reporters and didn't take questions. Or better yet, Bush planted reporters in the audience to toss him softballs. Obama ignores Fox's correspondents, which aren't reporters. Yes, agreed... big difference.

Your bitterness is mildly entertaining....

[Jesuslove]

Your bitterness is mildly entertaining....

Please.. I'm not bitter in the least. I'm happy.


btw.. what happened to the thread about your expecting wife? I went back to read it a few weeks ago and it was gone. Wishing you well!

[Musicdude]

Agreed. Bush didn't have the intelligence to debate issues, so he ignored reporters and didn't take questions. Or better yet, Bush planted reporters in the audience to toss him softballs. Obama ignores Fox's correspondents, which aren't reporters. Yes, agreed... big difference.

Oh really? When was the last time you saw Obama on the Sean Hannity show, or the O'Reilly Factor? Oh that's right. Never.

Obama ignores Fox's correspondents because they are the only ones who dare disagree with him. It's easy to be a big shot on TV when 99% of the national media thinks your poop smells like roses.

If he's such a master debater, why does he shy away from those who might oppose him? Because he's worried they will ask a question he doesn't have an answer for, and he doesn't want to look like a buffoon? Maybe? Ya think?

[cheewiee]

Oh really? When was the last time you saw Obama on the Sean Hannity show, or the O'Reilly Factor? Oh that's right. Never.

Obama ignores Fox's correspondents because they are the only ones who dare disagree with him. It's easy to be a big shot on TV when 99% of the national media thinks your poop smells like roses.

If he's such a master debater, why does he shy away from those who might oppose him? Because he's worried they will ask a question he doesn't have an answer for, and he doesn't want to look like a buffoon? Maybe? Ya think?

Exactly, President Teleprompter won't go anywhere near an interviewer who might ask him a "tough question" while Bush took them all the time.

The leader on V sort of reminded me of Obama last night... "Don't ask me anything that might make us look bad"

[Jesuslove]

Oh really? When was the last time you saw Obama on the Sean Hannity show, or the O'Reilly Factor? Oh that's right. Never.

Obama ignores Fox's correspondents because they are the only ones who dare disagree with him. It's easy to be a big shot on TV when 99% of the national media thinks your poop smells like roses.

If he's such a master debater, why does he shy away from those who might oppose him? Because he's worried they will ask a question he doesn't have an answer for, and he doesn't want to look like a buffoon? Maybe? Ya think?

Hannity, Beck and O'Lieley are self-admittedly commentators, and not reporters. Why entertain commentators, when their job isn't to broadcast news. Likewise, I never saw Bush on Olbermann's show or Rachel Maddow's show, much less CNN or any other news outlet.

You guys are just bitter cause the GOP isn't in power any longer.

[Jesuslove]

The leader on V sort of reminded me of Obama last night... "Don't ask me anything that might make us look bad"

Sounds like Bush's tagline. Speaking of avoiding questions, I asked you a question earlier in the thread and you didn't have the decency to respond.

[middletree]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMNoef6xDenBbHWO0Im 6rIjDmAgAD9BOJH300

White House is inflating numbers.

Note: I don't post this to mean to imply that one party has a monopoly on deception.

[Evanescence]

Exactly, President Teleprompter won't go anywhere near an interviewer who might ask him a "tough question" while Bush took them all the time.

The leader on V sort of reminded me of Obama last night... "Don't ask me anything that might make us look bad"


Please....Bush bucked more tough questions than a corral full of bulls. FIXX News borders on treason with their lies and propaganda. The others slant, but FIXX is beyond absurd...and in fact, rigged the 2000 election putting W in office.

[Evanescence]

....and I see no one voted me for Pres... :cool:

[Musicdude]

Hannity, Beck and O'Lieley are self-admittedly commentators, and not reporters. Why entertain commentators, when their job isn't to broadcast news. Likewise, I never saw Bush on Olbermann's show or Rachel Maddow's show, much less CNN or any other news outlet.

You guys are just bitter cause the GOP isn't in power any longer.

So a commentator can't ask a valid question because he's not a reporter?

[VerbumReale]

Please....Bush bucked more tough questions than a corral full of bulls. FIXX News borders on treason with their lies and propaganda. The others slant, but FIXX is beyond absurd...and in fact, rigged the 2000 election putting W in office.

Really??? Because a simple google search seems to suggest otherwise. A simple google search reveals interveiws not only from ABC, CBS, and NBC but also from PBS and BBC. And before you say "But those were primetime networks that's different." Please, gimme a break, eveyone knows ABC, CBS and NBC, and certainly PBS were hostile territory for Bush.

And MesssNBC only slanted??? Gimmme a break. Keith Olberman makes Bill O'Reilly look like Edwrd R Murrow.


http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=3891196&page=1&page=1

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/election2000/candidates/bush_index.html


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/13/60minutes/main2358754.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7245670.stm

[Jesuslove]

So a commentator can't ask a valid question because he's not a reporter?

The commentators on Faux News openly admit their bias. Just as Bush would never be interviewed on MSNBC, I see no reason for Obama to go on Faux.

Obama doesn't need the right wingers votes.. why entertain them?

[Jesuslove]

Please....Bush bucked more tough questions than a corral full of bulls. FIXX News borders on treason with their lies and propaganda. The others slant, but FIXX is beyond absurd...and in fact, rigged the 2000 election putting W in office.

they should change their name to Faux Commentators, cause they ain't givin' anyone news! :eek:

[Jesuslove]

Really??? Because a simple google search seems to suggest otherwise. A simple google search reveals interveiws not only from ABC, CBS, and NBC but also from PBS and BBC. And before you say "But those were primetime networks that's different." Please, gimme a break, eveyone knows ABC, CBS and NBC, and certainly PBS were hostile territory for Bush.

And MesssNBC only slanted??? Gimmme a break. Keith Olberman makes Bill O'Reilly look like Edwrd R Murrow.


http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=3891196&page=1&page=1

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/election2000/candidates/bush_index.html


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/13/60minutes/main2358754.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7245670.stm

Olbermann is at least a journalist. O'Lieley is a fraud. I take it no one read the legal briefs about his sexual harassment suit from Ms. Matress?

[R. Smith]

I'm not American, I'm a very out spoken Canadian. I gave Obama, a big fat 'F'...

[HumanityisSaved]

The commentators on Faux News openly admit their bias. Just as Bush would never be interviewed on MSNBC, I see no reason for Obama to go on Faux.

Obama doesn't need the right wingers votes.. why entertain them?

You do know that the x in Faux is silent right? :)

[cheewiee]

Olbermann is at least a journalist. O'Lieley is a fraud. I take it no one read the legal briefs about his sexual harassment suit from Ms. Matress?

Really, Olbermann is a journalist? While I agree that Hannity and Oreiley are commentators, not journalists, the fact that you would say such a thing erases what little credibility you had in claiming to be independent....

[Valpo]

I think O'Reilly is a journalist. He may be very loud, opinionated, and times crass, but he does journalism work and his team does. He's not just shooting off his mouth for the hell of it like Hannity and Limbaugh do. I find it insulting to the integrity of Bill O'Reilly to be compared to Keith Olbermann. Olbermann is on par with Hannity and Limbaugh.

I don't agree politically with Anderson Cooper, but I believe he is a journalist. Hell I would even say Rachel Maddow is a journalist. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean they aren't a journalist. Unfortunately this is a common point of attack for JL who continues to prove in every which way he is not moderate on anything. He continues to slander and lie about people. He gossips and slings mud. People who do it to Obama are also wrong. I've read some pretty wacky things around here about Obama. But the person who day in and day out attacks conservatives is JL and without much fact. That is wrong. And before you try and paint me as some right winger do know I take people to task whenever I hear them say something ridiculous about our president. That's right OUR president. Character assassination is not needed on any sides.

[cheewiee]

I think O'Reilly is a journalist. He may be very loud, opinionated, and times crass, but he does journalism work and his team does. He's not just shooting off his mouth for the hell of it like Hannity and Limbaugh do. I find it insulting to the integrity of Bill O'Reilly to be compared to Keith Olbermann. Olbermann is on par with Hannity and Limbaugh.

I don't agree politically with Anderson Cooper, but I believe he is a journalist. Hell I would even say Rachel Maddow is a journalist. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean they aren't a journalist. Unfortunately this is a common point of attack for JL who continues to prove in every which way he is not moderate on anything. He continues to slander and lie about people. He gossips and slings mud. People who do it to Obama are also wrong. I've read some pretty wacky things around here about Obama. But the person who day in and day out attacks conservatives is JL and without much fact. That is wrong. And before you try and paint me as some right winger do know I take people to task whenever I hear them say something ridiculous about our president. That's right OUR president. Character assassination is not needed on any sides.

To me, a true journalist is someone who presents a story without slant or bias.

I don't believe that there are many true journalists out there today.

[Musicdude]

The commentators on Faux News openly admit their bias. Just as Bush would never be interviewed on MSNBC, I see no reason for Obama to go on Faux.

Obama doesn't need the right wingers votes.. why entertain them?

If Obama is a good president, he will try to represent all Americans, not just the left leaning ones, whether he needs their votes or not. Why? Because it's his job.

I guess that answers that question.

[Musicdude]

Olbermann is at least a journalist. O'Lieley is a fraud. I take it no one read the legal briefs about his sexual harassment suit from Ms. Matress?

I am missing how having a sexual harassment suit disqualifies one as a journalist. Can you explain that one to me, maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand. Assuming that is even a true statement because I have no idea what you are talking about.

[cheewiee]

I am missing how having a sexual harassment suit disqualifies one as a journalist. Can you explain that one to me, maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand. Assuming that is even a true statement because I have no idea what you are talking about.

I am mystified by that as well, considering Bubba was accused of Sexual Harrasment by Paula Jones.

[Jesuslove]

Unfortunately this is a common point of attack for JL who continues to prove in every which way he is not moderate on anything. He continues to slander and lie about people. He gossips and slings mud. People who do it to Obama are also wrong. I've read some pretty wacky things around here about Obama. But the person who day in and day out attacks conservatives is JL and without much fact. That is wrong. And before you try and paint me as some right winger do know I take people to task whenever I hear them say something ridiculous about our president. That's right OUR president. Character assassination is not needed on any sides.
Funny, on a thread which is slinging mud at Obama and slandering him, and you are slinging mud at me. The Fox commentators freely admit they are commentators. It's not my interpretation. It's what they have said.

[Jesuslove]

Really, Olbermann is a journalist? While I agree that Hannity and Oreiley are commentators, not journalists, the fact that you would say such a thing erases what little credibility you had in claiming to be independent....

1. You again have failed to answer my question.

2. Fox News commentators freely admit it... nothing made up by me.

3. I am a moderate. I voted for a Republican candidate yesterday.

4. Why is it when Ev says things to you, they go unchallenged. But when I say virtually the same thing, you attack.

[Jesuslove]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Well then before responding, maybe do some reading and you can respond in a way we can discuss.

[Musicdude]

Funny, on a thread which is slinging mud at Obama and slandering him, and you are slinging mud at me. The Fox commentators freely admit they are commentators. It's not my interpretation. It's what they have said.

This thread isn't about bashing or slinging mud on Obama. If I'm not mistaken there is an option to vote for "A - Very good job." I can't help it if only one person voted for that option. Hmmm. I wonder who voted for "A?"

[Musicdude]

Well then before responding, maybe do some reading and you can respond in a way we can discuss.

Well, I think I did.

My point (which you conveniently disregarded, and edited from your quote) was whether or not such a lawsuit exists has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether or not he is a good reporter, and the only reason someone would bring it up in a discussion about his reporting skills, is to sling mud.

They guy could be a Nazi, or even worse a democrat, and that doesn't make him a bad reporter necessarily.

[Jesuslove]

They guy could be a Nazi, or even worse a democrat, and that doesn't make him a bad reporter necessarily.

Exactly.... but the problem is this. He's not a reporter. He's a commentator. Fox calls their show hosts commentators and not reporters. When you watch Fox, you are not watching news; you are watching commentary.

[Musicdude]

Exactly.... but the problem is this. He's not a reporter. He's a commentator. Fox calls their show hosts commentators and not reporters. When you watch Fox, you are not watching news; you are watching commentary.

At least they are being honest about their biases, as opposed to the other side. Calling yourself a reporter does not make you one, no matter what network you work for.

As far as you and I are concerned, which one is a reporter and which one is a commenator will probably depend on which one we agree with more often.
I can listen to a guy like O'Reilly and even Hannity and seperate the fact from opinion quite easily. I agree with most of the opinions, but I know they are opinions.
We always prefer to get our news from a source which is like-minded with us, because they verbalize what we were already thinking usually.

I would rather have unbiased reporting, but that doesn't exist. But if I've got to pick a bias (which I do, because everyone is biased) I'll go with the side that most often shares my values and convictions.
And clearly you are doing the same, you just don't want to admit it.

[The Unknown Gomer]

This thread isn't about bashing or slinging mud on Obama. If I'm not mistaken there is an option to vote for "A - Very good job." I can't help it if only one person voted for that option.

Interesting though that the vote is pretty well split: 7 votes who think he's at least mediocre, and 7 who don't.

Although that middle category that ranks him "fair to poor" kind of messes with the stats a bit in my book, since you can't tell if the three people that voted there think that he is doing a "fair" job, or a "poor" one. And I'd rank "fair" as a positive thing, vs "poor" as a negative thing.

And come to think of it, in my own personal scale of good to bad, I'd actually rank "fair" higher than "mediocre". But that's just me.

But in any case, given the direction the posts seem to have taken, one would never have guessed that the vote is essentially split right down the middle. I guess that those who think he's doing at least an okay job or better don't have any inclination to discuss it. :)

[Musicdude]

Interesting though that the vote is pretty well split: 7 votes who think he's at least mediocre, and 7 who don't.

Although that middle category that ranks him "fair to poor" kind of messes with the stats a bit in my book, since you can't tell if the three people that voted there think that he is doing a "fair" job, or a "poor" one. And I'd rank "fair" as a positive thing, vs "poor" as a negative thing.

And come to think of it, in my own personal scale of good to bad, I'd actually rank "fair" higher than "mediocre". But that's just me.

But in any case, given the direction the posts seem to have taken, one would never have guessed that the vote is essentially split right down the middle. I guess that those who think he's doing at least an okay job or better don't have any inclination to discuss it. :)

Mediocre is not much of a compliment in my opinion.

I agree that it would make more sense if it were arranged like this:

Good
Fair
Mediocre
Poor
Terrible


I guess my point was this thread wasn't created with bashing Obama in mind. It was just asking the question, what do you think of the job he is doing so far.
And if the responses are mostly negative, then that's just the way it goes, but it could've just as easily gone the other direction.

[Jason]

Ask me in January.

[Evanescence]

Phillies are losing

[Jesuslove]

Phillies are losing

They had a GREAT season.... Oh well, next year!!