Chrstian music

[Robby2004]

I'm thinking about useing this social web cam site that i go on and make another account and play christian music. www.stickam.com So I guesses you probably wondering where I need help. Well first I have to think of a name for it and what would be a good url cause it will be www.stickam.com/ what ever I come up with after the / part. Right now i need your help in thinking of a name and then when I get it up and running and I can buy some differnt christian artest Cd put them on my mac book then the biggest thing is would you come and listen. Spread the word to your friends. Give me feed back on your favorite band and what I can buy to play. On this site they have allot of people and real radio station that play music but I don't think I ever came across anybody playing christian music so if I could I like to try this. So question is will you help?

[middletree]

www.theresnosuchthingasch ristianmusic.com

[Robby2004]

www.theresnosuchthingasch ristianmusic.com

if that sopose to be a web site it dose not work

[middletree]

no, it's tongue-in-cheek, a reference to my long-standing position that there is no such thing as Christian music.

[Musicdude]

no, it's tongue-in-cheek, a reference to my long-standing position that there is no such thing as Christian music.

What about the "I am a C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N" song? Wouldn't that one qualify?

:D

[Robby2004]

no, it's tongue-in-cheek, a reference to my long-standing position that there is no such thing as Christian music.

and this help me how? I trying to do something good here think about it allot of people come on to this site what if they just decided to come into my room and started listen to the music and got intrested in it. And maybe even get saved from it. So yeah maybe that not what the music is called so what.

[Howlin' Wolf]

and this help me how? I trying to do something good here think about it allot of people come on to this site what if they just decided to come into my room and started listen to the music and got intrested in it. And maybe even get saved from it. So yeah maybe that not what the music is called so what.

I have a very hard time believing that people get saved from christian music. Not saying it isnt possible, just highly unlikely.

[Robby2004]

I have a very hard time believing that people get saved from christian music. Not saying it isnt possible, just highly unlikely.

Well it could spark a intrested in people. Then like i said it could be a place where people that like this music can come and listen as well. Cause i know allot of friend say this music help them threw life. One on my good friend sad to say no longer with us but he told me that third day all way help him stay posative and help him with his walk with God. Then with this site it also a chat so from time to time I could put stuff in the chat from the bible. It was just a idea something i thought would be fun to do. But with all the post so far now i don't know

[Howlin' Wolf]

Well it could spark a intrested in people. Then like i said it could be a place where people that like this music can come and listen as well. Cause i know allot of friend say this music help them threw life. One on my good friend sad to say no longer with us but he told me that third day all way help him stay posative and help him with his walk with God. Then with this site it also a chat so from time to time I could put stuff in the chat from the bible. It was just a idea something i thought would be fun to do. But with all the post so far now i don't know

If you need online validation to do this, then I would question your motives.

[Robby2004]

If you need online validation to do this, then I would question your motives.

well if i knew what validation ment then i would know what your talking about. All I am doing is asking for help.

[middletree]

For the record, I wasn't bashing your idea. Just having a little fun.

[Musicdude]

I have a very hard time believing that people get saved from christian music. Not saying it isnt possible, just highly unlikely.

It can open doors many times. Especially the harder stuff.

[Robby2004]

For the record, I wasn't bashing your idea. Just having a little fun.

Ok that fine I never said you was. I not that smart i guesss i just did not understand

[Robby2004]

It can open doors many times. Especially the harder stuff.

Thank you. This is why I would like to do this. To see if I could do something to help people. That one thing I love to do. I got the idea after buying the third day Cd Revelation and had the idea.

[Valpo]

With the Crowder pre-order came this awesome "Church Music Magazine" and in it frontman David Crowder was working through in words the kind/type of music they play. He says,

"Well, with Church Music we wanted to state the obvious -- this is what we do, we make church music. Language is important to me, it is what we have...Language is fluid. And so we have words like, 'christian music,' that at one time were helpful and communicated something that was clear and productive. My feeling is that these words are less effective now due to usage. These words, when spoken or written, elicit responses that I think are less productive than they used to be. I discovered this early on when we had begun to release albums and I would do an interview with someone from a mainstream media outlet. They would have presuppositions about our music because the words, 'christian music,' were sitting in front of them. Outside the church, the words, 'christian music,' are loaded because the music associated with them has a stigma of not being in conversation with other artistic endeavors within popular music. Inside the church the words, 'christian music,' have become associated with industry and profit...Then, in one particularly difficult interview, while I was attempting to explain that the function of our band is to help people sing to God, the following phrase fell out of my mouth--'We make Church music. That's all. We're just making Church music.' Suddenly, he understood what the intention of the music was. Granted, he was also forced to realign his idea of what, 'Church music,' sounded like, and I liked this. At one time the words, 'Church music,' were loaded, just as the words, 'christian music,' are now. Somehow along the way, they became less so."
-David Crowder

[Robby2004]

With the Crowder pre-order came this awesome "Church Music Magazine" and in it frontman David Crowder was working through in words the kind/type of music they play. He says,

"Well, with Church Music we wanted to state the obvious -- this is what we do, we make church music. Language is important to me, it is what we have...Language is fluid. And so we have words like, 'christian music,' that at one time were helpful and communicated something that was clear and productive. My feeling is that these words are less effective now due to usage. These words, when spoken or written, elicit responses that I think are less productive than they used to be. I discovered this early on when we had begun to release albums and I would do an interview with someone from a mainstream media outlet. They would have presuppositions about our music because the words, 'christian music,' were sitting in front of them. Outside the church, the words, 'christian music,' are loaded because the music associated with them has a stigma of not being in conversation with other artistic endeavors within popular music. Inside the church the words, 'christian music,' have become associated with industry and profit...Then, in one particularly difficult interview, while I was attempting to explain that the function of our band is to help people sing to God, the following phrase fell out of my mouth--'We make Church music. That's all. We're just making Church music.' Suddenly, he understood what the intention of the music was. Granted, he was also forced to realign his idea of what, 'Church music,' sounded like, and I liked this. At one time the words, 'Church music,' were loaded, just as the words, 'christian music,' are now. Somehow along the way, they became less so."
-David Crowder

Well then i want put christian music in it any where. I just asking for idea of what i could call it. I did not know how to tittle this thred cause i made one like this before. I need some help will you help me and nobody posted any thing.

[Musicdude]

With the Crowder pre-order came this awesome "Church Music Magazine" and in it frontman David Crowder was working through in words the kind/type of music they play. He says,

"Well, with Church Music we wanted to state the obvious -- this is what we do, we make church music. Language is important to me, it is what we have...Language is fluid. And so we have words like, 'christian music,' that at one time were helpful and communicated something that was clear and productive. My feeling is that these words are less effective now due to usage. These words, when spoken or written, elicit responses that I think are less productive than they used to be. I discovered this early on when we had begun to release albums and I would do an interview with someone from a mainstream media outlet. They would have presuppositions about our music because the words, 'christian music,' were sitting in front of them. Outside the church, the words, 'christian music,' are loaded because the music associated with them has a stigma of not being in conversation with other artistic endeavors within popular music. Inside the church the words, 'christian music,' have become associated with industry and profit...Then, in one particularly difficult interview, while I was attempting to explain that the function of our band is to help people sing to God, the following phrase fell out of my mouth--'We make Church music. That's all. We're just making Church music.' Suddenly, he understood what the intention of the music was. Granted, he was also forced to realign his idea of what, 'Church music,' sounded like, and I liked this. At one time the words, 'Church music,' were loaded, just as the words, 'christian music,' are now. Somehow along the way, they became less so."
-David Crowder

Awesome! Does Crowder have a forum, cause I'm looking to relocate?


The only thing about your idea, is that it's been done many times before.
Also you might want to check into the legality of playing your CD's online. It might not be legal to do that without paying royalties or whatever.

[Robby2004]

Awesome! Does Crowder have a forum, cause I'm looking to relocate?


The only thing about your idea, is that it's been done many times before.
Also you might want to check into the legality of playing your CD's online. It might not be legal to do that without paying royalties or whatever.

Yeah well I did not think about that. These people that get on this site play all kind of music and stickam allows them to play it.

[Valpo]

Awesome! Does Crowder have a forum, cause I'm looking to relocate?


Sure do, http://www.bwacksforum.com/forums/index.php4?

[DareDevil]

I'm thinking about useing this social web cam site that i go on and make another account and play christian music. www.stickam.com So I guesses you probably wondering where I need help. Well first I have to think of a name for it and what would be a good url cause it will be www.stickam.com/ what ever I come up with after the / part. Right now i need your help in thinking of a name and then when I get it up and running and I can buy some differnt christian artest Cd put them on my mac book then the biggest thing is would you come and listen. Spread the word to your friends. Give me feed back on your favorite band and what I can buy to play. On this site they have allot of people and real radio station that play music but I don't think I ever came across anybody playing christian music so if I could I like to try this. So question is will you help?
I am not sure whether such a channel would really make sense. All people have to do is to go to http://www.last.fm/ and search for a Christian band or a tag like "worship" or something like that. You can also register an account there, play a nice selection of Christian music for yourself and then link people to your profile so that they can listen to the music YOU like yourself! :)

[cheewiee]

I have a very hard time believing that people get saved from christian music. Not saying it isnt possible, just highly unlikely.

Why is it unlikely? Is the Holy Spirit afraid of "Christian Music" and thus unwilling to pour out irresistable Grace on someone hearing the Gospel for the First time, in their car listening to "Christian Music" on the radio?

[DareDevil]

Why is it unlikely? Is the Holy Spirit afraid of "Christian Music" and thus unwilling to pour out irresistable Grace on someone hearing the Gospel for the First time, in their car listening to "Christian Music" on the radio?
I know that your question was directed to Howlin' Wolf, but *I* can imagine that somebody who still needs to hear and understand the good news is not very likely to listen to Christian music. I mean, most people who are not *saved* yet are very likely to have heard the gospel before and the few occasions where such a person might get to listen to Christian music will not be any different from those occasions. It is just music for them and if it should not be good or if the Christian message gets on their nerves then they will simply listen to something else.

I am sure that there are exceptions of course, but most people need to be willing to listen to Christian music for quite a while for the gospel to have a chance 'to sink in'. Up to the point where 'the message' has sunk in it is the music that gets them to listen and NOT the message.

[Valpo]

I know that your question was directed to Howlin' Wolf, but *I* can imagine that somebody who still needs to hear and understand the good news is not very likely to listen to Christian music. I mean, most people who are not *saved* yet are very likely to have heard the gospel before and the few occasions where such a person might get to listen to Christian music will not be any different from those occasions. It is just music for them and if it should not be good or if the Christian message gets on their nerves then they will simply listen to something else.

I am sure that there are exceptions of course, but most people need to be willing to listen to Christian music for quite a while for the gospel to have a chance 'to sink in'. Up to the point where 'the message' has sunk in it is the music that gets them to listen and NOT the message.

THIS is where bands like DC*B can and will cross over into the mainstream. They actually play innovative, creative, message driven music. dc Talk got a lot of mainstream play as well. "Christian Music" cannot make that transition. But maybe "Church Music" can.

[cheewiee]

THIS is where bands like DC*B can and will cross over into the mainstream. They actually play innovative, creative, message driven music. dc Talk got a lot of mainstream play as well. "Christian Music" cannot make that transition. But maybe "Church Music" can.

Sometime in the 1990's Christian Contemporary stations started branding themselves as "Positive Hits" and "Family Friendly". Parents eat that stuff up.

When I lived in Orlando I knew a few people at the local station, who said that they routenly received testamonies from people who were listening for that very reason, and came to Christ because of it.

[cheewiee]

Also, know I really don't like most CCM, just like I don't like most AC....

[Robby2004]

Well this was a thread asking for help but then it turn into a debate about muisc.

[Grank]

if you get it up robby, you should play the song "father abraham"... best. song. ever.

right arm, left arm, right foot, left foot, knod your head, turn around, sit DOWN! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Robby2004]

if you get it up robby, you should play the song "father abraham"... best. song. ever.

right arm, left arm, right foot, left foot, knod your head, turn around, sit DOWN! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Yeah lol ok look like it not going to happen now. Gee if you sang that song to a kid know they would not know what your talking about i use to love that when i was a kid sigh the good old days

[Musicdude]

I know that your question was directed to Howlin' Wolf, but *I* can imagine that somebody who still needs to hear and understand the good news is not very likely to listen to Christian music. I mean, most people who are not *saved* yet are very likely to have heard the gospel before and the few occasions where such a person might get to listen to Christian music will not be any different from those occasions. It is just music for them and if it should not be good or if the Christian message gets on their nerves then they will simply listen to something else.

I am sure that there are exceptions of course, but most people need to be willing to listen to Christian music for quite a while for the gospel to have a chance 'to sink in'. Up to the point where 'the message' has sunk in it is the music that gets them to listen and NOT the message.

I am amazed that most of the people I've witnessed to have never heard the gospel before. They've heard the lie "if you're good enough, you'll go to Heaven" but not the gospel.

[Howlin' Wolf]

Why is it unlikely? Is the Holy Spirit afraid of "Christian Music" and thus unwilling to pour out irresistable Grace on someone hearing the Gospel for the First time, in their car listening to "Christian Music" on the radio?
I didnt say it was impossible. Given the trend of CCM, (Do you think the Gospel is accurately portrayed in today's music?) I doubt many non-christians would want to listen to it anyways. I'm a believer and I dont want to listen to it.

Does listening to heavy metal lead a person to worship the devil? No more than the person already seeking said worship would seek out that music, I think it's the same with CCM.

[Grank]

i have non christian friends who listen to demon hunter, august burns red, as i lay dying, etc... they remain unsaved

[lilmikey]

I think the primary role IMO is to spark an interest for Christianity. Does it minister to me? not at all!!! I strongly dislike Christian music on many levels in fact I detest it. I mean I have a handful of artists that I like sure! But as a whole I have nothing but hatred for Christian music on many levels.

Below are list of artists that I do like

Third Day
Jennifer Knapp
Rich Mullins
Petra
DCB
Don Francisco
2nd chapter of acts
Keith Green(who himself hated "CCM" in fact he made a statement one time that it was a stench in God's nostrils)

thats it

[lilmikey]

I didnt say it was impossible. Given the trend of CCM, (Do you think the Gospel is accurately portrayed in today's music?) I doubt many non-christians would want to listen to it anyways. I'm a believer and I dont want to listen to it.

Does listening to heavy metal lead a person to worship the devil? No more than the person already seeking said worship would seek out that music, I think it's the same with CCM.

my sentiments exactly

even on a music level CCM is unoriginal and regurgitated from their much better secular counterpart.

I also remember the day when Christian music that were biblically based or in the very least you knew what the song was about or who it was about.

now you can play the said Christian song on a non christian radio station and you wouldn't know which song it was.

[mcgreen311]

Does listening to heavy metal lead a person to worship the devil? No more than the person already seeking said worship would seek out that music, I think it's the same with CCM.

Of course, there is that famous line, "I don't listen to words, but I know all of them by heart." ;)

[Rainlily]

I have a very hard time believing that people get saved from christian music. Not saying it isnt possible, just highly unlikely.

Well...it happened to me! Third Day was the vehicle that the Lord used to speak to my heart & bring me to the cross.


Robby, how about /JesusRocks ?


Mikey, I think you might like Sons of Korah.
www.sonsofkorah.com

[lilmikey]

Well...it happened to me! Third Day was the vehicle that the Lord used to speak to my heart & bring me to the cross.


Robby, how about /JesusRocks ?


Mikey, I think you might like Sons of Korah.
www.sonsofkorah.com

sounds good indeed

[lilmikey]

Of course, there is that famous line, "I don't listen to words, but I know all of them by heart." ;)

I agree, do you honestly think that non Christian people would listen to Demon Hunter for the words, thats Christian music's hope but it fails miserably. They dont give a flying flip about the words they want to hear the hard headbanging music. People who have this false idea that the lyrics only count, can argue all they want but the music most of the time is MORE important then the words. A song can have the most beautiful anointed God given lyrics but have the most horrible music backing it and it have no effect whatsoever.

Thats why I think that "Christian" metal is like "Christian" porn...it just is not possible.

[Robby2004]

Well...it happened to me! Third Day was the vehicle that the Lord used to speak to my heart & bring me to the cross.


Robby, how about /JesusRocks ?


Mikey, I think you might like Sons of Korah.
www.sonsofkorah.com

Thanks for trying to help but now i not going to do this. This thread has left me really not knowing what to do.

[lilmikey]

well if i knew what validation ment then i would know what your talking about. All I am doing is asking for help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validation

[Musicdude]

I think the primary role IMO is to spark an interest for Christianity. Does it minister to me? not at all!!! I strongly dislike Christian music on many levels in fact I detest it. I mean I have a handful of artists that I like sure! But as a whole I have nothing but hatred for Christian music on many levels.

Below are list of artists that I do like

Third Day
Jennifer Knapp
Rich Mullins
Petra
DCB
Don Francisco
2nd chapter of acts
Keith Green(who himself hated "CCM" in fact he made a statement one time that it was a stench in God's nostrils)

thats it

So what is so terribly different about these artists versus the other mainstream groups? I listen to them all regularly and I can't tell any difference in lyrics. Maybe style but not content.

In fact all of the groups you mentioned fall into that category except DCB, Don Francisco and 2nd Chapter of acts. And possibly those groups aren't on iTunes, because the ones that I found didn't look right.


Third Day's lyrics are no more God-centered than any of these groups.
Avalon
Bebo Norman
Barlowgirl
Bethany Dillon
Big Daddy Weave
By the Tree
Caedmon's Call
Casting Crowns
Chris Tomlin
etc. to list a small few.


Very odd to post that you hate Christian music on a Christian band's forum.
Or like Middletree, post that you don't believe in Christian music, on a Christian band's forum.

When I look up Third Day on iTunes, the genre is "Christian & Gospel."
I don't know if they picked that genre, or it was assigned to them by the powers that be, but still, it's significant that the bands you do like, are in the Christian genre.

[lilmikey]

So what is so terribly different about these artists versus the other mainstream groups? I listen to them all regularly and I can't tell any difference in lyrics. Maybe style but not content.

In fact all of the groups you mentioned fall into that category except DCB, Don Francisco and 2nd Chapter of acts. And possibly those groups aren't on iTunes, because the ones that I found didn't look right.


Third Day's lyrics are no more God-centered than any of these groups.
Avalon
Bebo Norman
Barlowgirl
Bethany Dillon
Big Daddy Weave
By the Tree
Caedmon's Call
Casting Crowns
Chris Tomlin
etc. to list a small few.


Very odd to post that you hate Christian music on a Christian band's forum.
Or like Middletree, post that you don't believe in Christian music, on a Christian band's forum.

When I look up Third Day on iTunes, the genre is "Christian & Gospel."
I don't know if they picked that genre, or it was assigned to them by the powers that be, but still, it's significant that the bands you do like, are in the Christian genre.

It's not necessarily the artists themselves I dislike. CCM's mindset, image and the business it has become, not to mention the comprimise makes me sick. When CCM was new iit was an in your face gospel message approach, now you can hardly tell the difference anymore unless you listen to praise and worship.

I miss the Larry Normans the Keith Greens the Rich Mullins and the Petras. Now some artists are ashamed to be considered a "Christian" artist because they dont want to be "exclusive" give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Musicdude]

It's not necessarily the artists themselves I dislike. CCM's mindset, image and the business it has become, not to mention the comprimise makes me sick. When CCM was new iit was an in your face gospel message approach, now you can hardly tell the difference anymore unless you listen to praise and worship.

I miss the Larry Normans the Keith Greens the Rich Mullins and the Petras. Now some artists are ashamed to be considered a "Christian" artist because they dont want to be "exclusive" give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll go along with that, but I don't think most groups have that mindset.

Also there is a place for "in your face" and a place for a more subtle approach to evangelism through word or through song or otherwise. Some people need you to get in their face, and it's the only way they will change their heart, because anything less and they will think you aren't really convicted about the gospel you are trying to push on them. And if you aren't really convicted about the gospel then why should they be? Others would reject such an approach, because they need to be handled more delicately, not to water down the gospel at all, but to bring it to them in a more gentle way.

Kind of like how when swimming in fairly cold water, some like to wade in slowly and some prefer jumping right in. Either way, you will get just as wet, but different people have different ways.

There is a bluegrass gospel group I love called the Isaacs, and their early stuff was very in your face gospel music. And later it got softer, and I too was disappointed like you are. But then they later released an album with nothing but old hymns, which are not subtle at all. So I think it's not so much a decline in the gospel message through music, because of compromise. But that God uses both types of song to reach different types of people. And so He allows, and even inspires both kinds of music.

[Rainlily]

Very well said!

For beautiful, honest lyrics try: http://www.myspace.com/thegloriousunseen

I think their earlier CD, "Tonight the Stars Speak," is a little more in your face than the new one "Hope That Lies in You," seems to be.
(I don't have that one, yet.)

For the Psalms set to beautiful music try http://www.sonsofkorah.com/ Try their latest CD, "Rain," it's incredible!

[Unstereotypical]

Try Christian Metal bands.

Most of them sound just like their secular comparison.

TourniqueT = TestAmenT, MegadetH
Saviour Machine = most Gothic Rock bands
DeliverancE = early MetallicA, sLaYeR
MorTifIcaTioN and Vengeance Rising = Obituary, Death
Believer and early Living Sacrifice = sLaYeR
Jacobs Dream = Queensryche, Iron Maiden
Barren Cross = eURoPe, Iron Maiden
Whitecross = RATT
RecoN = Queensryche
Sacred Warrior = Helloween and Queensryche
early BRIDE = Motley Crue, SKID ROW
later BRIDE = Alice in Chains


Check out http://www.blastbeats.com

It is a Christian Rock and Christian Metal Internet CD store. They have a lot of great ignored and overlooked Christian bands on there.

[Grank]

or for a more modern metal taste (maybe a some hardcore even) in your christian music diet try some as i lay dying, the devil wears prada, august burns red, harp and lyre, bloodline severed, bring me the horizon, corpus christi, the showdown, bring me the horizon and maybe try some project 86...

Unstereotypical, been listening to the christian metal bands you just mentioned and i've been into recon... they're pretty sweet. good call