Abortion variables and questions???

[Evanescence]

My wife knows a woman who decded to end her pregnancy at 6 months after the baby was diagnosed with a genetic defect that would have made the child only live 1-10 days. Its 100% fatal...

Is this a mecy killing or murder?

Should these situations be allowed?

As a pro-lifer..what would you say to these odd and rare situtations?

I'm really out to lunch on this one...I could go either way on it, even though I am pro-life....

I feel for the mother too...she's devastated...

GO!

[Jesuslove]

My wife knows a woman who decded to end her pregnancy at 6 months after the baby was diagnosed with a genetic defect that would have made the child only live 1-10 days. Its 100% fatal...

Is this a mecy killing or murder?

Should these situations be allowed?

As a pro-lifer..what would you say to these odd and rare situtations?

I'm really out to lunch on this one...I could go either way on it, even though I am pro-life....

I feel for the mother too...she's devastated...

GO!
I think it is mercy killing and not murder. And I'm pro-life too. It is easy for people to judge those who have aborted, but I suspect that abortion is often a very difficult decision for women.

[Sam!]

Good thing doctors are never wrong.

[DareDevil]

*sigh*
I am not in favour of that kind of abortion, but it is one of those cases where I find it impossible to blame the woman or anybody else involved. :(

[Evanescence]

Its a tough call...but in this case..and we have researched it because of our miscarriage...its 100% fatal-- dandy-walker syndrome. I think they had 2-3 opinions before...

Taysacs and and a few others are bad ones too. In many of those cases, the baby never lives beyond one year and is in agony the entire time its alive...

[Sam!]

Its a tough call...but in this case..and we have researched it because of our miscarriage...its 100% fatal-- dandy-walker syndrome. I think they had 2-3 opinions before...

Taysacs and and a few others are bad ones too. In many of those cases, the baby never lives beyond one year and is in agony the entire time its alive...

And your presupposition is that all suffering must be prevented at any cost. That's not a given. I'm not sure how I feel about this particular case, but I think if you're going to justify the taking of the life a very careful case must be built.

[Evanescence]

Some might say that prayer could change/heal the child...perhaps. Contraversially, perhaps prayer would be answered by putting the child out of its misery...

I do not know where it all lies...its just an interesting topic for discussion...

[Sam!]

It is an interesting discussion. The problem isn't the "clear cut" cases like this one (i don't even believe this one is clear cut). But what about cases that aren't quite so clear? What if the child is born and then the "defect" is discovered? What if the doctor tells a new mom that her son will never lead a normal life because of damage to his brain?

[Howlin' Wolf]

God is bigger than any "defect". There is never any scriptural precedent of "putting one out of his misery."

[Salome]

God is bigger than any "defect". There is never any scriptural precedent of "putting one out of his misery."

I agree.

I know a mom who while pregnant with her 3rd child was told twice that a heartbeat could not be detected and so she was scheduled for a D&C. Before the procedure she asked the doctor to try once more to find a heartbeat ...... and there it was. For whatever reason, Kris' heartbeat was not found a couple of times, but here he is a healthy 11 year old now. And this was an error on something that is so routine in a pregnancy.

I don't know, making a decision to end a life based on some kind of testing, seems so ....... fallible. The cost of the decision is too great. God knows what is being knit together in the womb. Do you think He doesn't know? Do you think His plan involves you deciding who gets to live and who doesn't?

I Corinthians 12:17-23 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,

[Pouye]

God is bigger than any "defect". There is never any scriptural precedent of "putting one out of his misery."

I quite agree! (I love it when we agree!)

I believe God gives grace and strength to His children to endure such situations. We aren't children of this world. For goodness sakes... God allowed His own Son to suffer and die rather than being killed before or after birth (at the hands of Herod's armies).

So many lives are ended for the sake of convenience. People don't want to deal with suffering and/or pain. They don't want to deal with the difficulties presented -- cost, time, emotional stress, etc. But as Christians, our lives are not our own. We are called to act like Jesus (including something called long-suffering) in every situation.

I don't believe pregnancy is ever an accident. It is always a sovereign situation, whether the fetus is healthy or not. I believe if either of my baby girls were diagnosed with some such defect that my wife and I would simply have to trust in the sovereignty of God through the entire situation and ask for His strength to deal with whatever the outcome would be.

As for non-Christians, they are just as responsible to God, but just don't know it.

The bottom line for me is this: Are people going to trust God or not? If they trust God, God will help them deal with whatever happens, no matter how difficult. If they take matters into their own hands and kill the innocent for the sake of avoiding pain, suffering, stress, etc., then they aren't trusting God.

That's how I see it, anyway.

Rock

[Pouye]

I agree.

I know a mom who while pregnant with her 3rd child was told twice that a heartbeat could not be detected and so she was scheduled for a D&C. Before the procedure she asked the doctor to try once more to find a heartbeat ...... and there it was. For whatever reason, Kris' heartbeat was not found a couple of times, but here he is a healthy 11 year old now. And this was an error on something that is so routine in a pregnancy.

I don't know, making a decision to end a life based on some kind of testing, seems so ....... fallible. The cost of the decision is too great. God knows what is being knit together in the womb. Do you think He doesn't know? Do you think His plan involves you deciding who gets to live and who doesn't?

I Corinthians 12:17-23 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty,

Great post, and well said!

Rock

[Evanescence]

Personally, I dont think I could do it. If my child and I were in the forest and he/she was dying and in misery...I MIGHT...but with a child in the womb, i do not think I could/would do it. That being said, I think this is a good example where Abortion should/could be an option...up to a point, perhaps.

Perhaps a judge could be n 24 hr call to hear cases like this and decide if the woman has gotten enough opinions and made her case with evidence and testing facts. Then the exception would be granted.

I do think this is a mercy killing though...and not murder. However rare..these situations happen..

[freakysoccer]

My wife knows a woman who decded to end her pregnancy at 6 months after the baby was diagnosed with a genetic defect that would have made the child only live 1-10 days. Its 100% fatal...

Is this a mecy killing or murder?

Should these situations be allowed?

As a pro-lifer..what would you say to these odd and rare situtations?

I'm really out to lunch on this one...I could go either way on it, even though I am pro-life....

I feel for the mother too...she's devastated...

GO!

this is a tough one, i'm prolife but i do think this is mercy. i can't imagine carrying a child only to find out it's fate. i have very mixed feelings about this one.

[Valpo]

what the heck is mercy killing???

[truefan]

Abortion for whatever reason is murder. I feel very sorry for this mother that her child was diagnosed to only live a short painful life but it's a life nevertheless. We do not have the right to play God and determine who should live and who should die. All babies are precious and children of God and deserve to be born.

Next we will justify euthanizing all the people with Cancer, Alzheimers, and HIV because they are going to die and are in pain all the time. I'm not sure how anyone can call themselves pro-life and think selective abortion is ok.

[Sam!]

this is a tough one, i'm prolife but i do think this is mercy. i can't imagine carrying a child only to find out it's fate. i have very mixed feelings about this one.
To be prolife is to believe all life is sacred. So either all human life is sacred, or some life is not. I reject the idea that "preventing this baby from being born" is okay. It is not for me to judge.

[Pouye]

To be prolife is to believe all life is sacred. So either all human life is sacred, or some life is not. I reject the idea that "preventing this baby from being born" is okay. It is not for me to judge.

I agree. It depends on if you believe that God is sovereign over life and death or not. I believe all human life is sacred (meaning in God's domain as far as life and death goes).

I don't even believe abortion is justified for rape or incest.

Rock

[Pouye]

this is a tough one, i'm prolife but i do think this is mercy. i can't imagine carrying a child only to find out it's fate. i have very mixed feelings about this one.

God knows the child's fate, and has even the most "defective" child in His hands. The question isn't the child's fate, but the affects on the parents -- who need to trust God to help them deal with those.

David and Bathsheba had a child only to see him die soon after birth. God had the child's fate in His hands, and told David that he would not live. God was sovereign over that entire situation.

Rock

[Salome]

I agree. It depends on if you believe that God is sovereign over life and death or not. I believe all human life is sacred (meaning in God's domain as far as life and death goes).

I don't even believe abortion is justified for rape or incest.

Rock

Me either.

[Evanescence]

These terms and labels only complicate things...

God knows a persons heart and will surely know why the person decided to ned the life of the baby. Dogs and other aimals will push their sick babies aside to die..its a fact. Should humans resort to this too?

I just dont know about this one...

[Sam!]

Knowing why somebody did something doesn't matter if there's no moral justification for it.

[ausgirl]

These terms and labels only complicate things...

God knows a persons heart and will surely know why the person decided to ned the life of the baby. Dogs and other aimals will push their sick babies aside to die..its a fact. Should humans resort to this too?

I just dont know about this one...
No because God made us higher in intelligence than a dog. Dog lick their own butts too - but you won't catch me doing that any time soon.

[Pouye]

No because God made us higher in intelligence than a dog. Dog lick their own butts too - but you won't catch me doing that any time soon.

:D :D :D :D

That got a laugh out of me!

If we want to resort to defining morality on what animals do, we are in big trouble!

Rock

[Sam!]

All of nature, essentially, depends on violence. Human beings are the unnatural ones, in that sense--honoring peace over violence.

[Pouye]

All of nature, essentially, depends on violence. Human beings are the unnatural ones, in that sense--honoring peace over violence.

That's why God placed untamed nature into human hands. We were created in the image of God to "fill the earth and subdue it", not "fill the earth and become wild like it."

Rock

[truefan]

If anyone is still on the fence about this subject, please take a minute and visit this site http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/willadkins. A co-worker's 18 month old daughter contracted the flu and suffered heart damage as a result and was in intensive care at Duke Hospital in North Carolina. While there, Tobi asked us to pray for this little boy Will Adkins who was born with a heart defect that was diagnosed months before his birth and his parents decided to go through with the pregnancy in hopes that something could be done once he was born. Will only lived for 3 weeks but the impact of his life on all who knew him and knew of him was a true test of God's love for mankind and how much love we are capable of giving to each other. So many people who didn't know Will or his family personally prayed for his healing and for comfort for his family. I'm sure if you ask Will's parents if his life was worth it, they'll tell you a million times yes even though they knew his chances for survival were slim. To have the privilege to pray for this little angel brought me closer to the Lord. Putting trust in God that he will do what is best was a life lesson I'll never forget. Baby Will is in Heaven with the Lord and all the other children who left us in God's time. So do I think it's OK to terminate a pregnancy because the baby is not perfect? Never!

[VerbumReale]

what the heck is mercy killing???

Baptism

[Salome]

If anyone is still on the fence about this subject, please take a minute and visit this site http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/willadkins. A co-worker's 18 month old daughter contracted the flu and suffered heart damage as a result and was in intensive care at Duke Hospital in North Carolina. While there, Tobi asked us to pray for this little boy Will Adkins who was born with a heart defect that was diagnosed months before his birth and his parents decided to go through with the pregnancy in hopes that something could be done once he was born. Will only lived for 3 weeks but the impact of his life on all who knew him and knew of him was a true test of God's love for mankind and how much love we are capable of giving to each other. So many people who didn't know Will or his family personally prayed for his healing and for comfort for his family. I'm sure if you ask Will's parents if his life was worth it, they'll tell you a million times yes even though they knew his chances for survival were slim. To have the privilege to pray for this little angel brought me closer to the Lord. Putting trust in God that he will do what is best was a life lesson I'll never forget. Baby Will is in Heaven with the Lord and all the other children who left us in God's time. So do I think it's OK to terminate a pregnancy because the baby is not perfect? Never!

Thank you for that.

[Valpo]

Baptism

HAH! YES!