View Full Version : GOP rising star Jindal's speech a 'coming-out party'
Howlin' Wolf
02-23-2009, 01:41 PM
Among other things, this line stood out to me:
"Jindal has announced plans to reject $100 million of stimulus funding for his state, saying it would require Louisiana to change its unemployment laws. Several other governors have expressed similar concerns."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/23/jindal.gop/index.html?iref=mpstoryvi ew
Evanescence
02-24-2009, 04:39 PM
cut off your face to spite your nose...
Valpo
02-24-2009, 04:54 PM
aside from the hand gestures i thought he delivered a great speech and sounds like how Republicans should be, good for him. looking forward to seeing him in the coming years.
Jesuslove
02-25-2009, 01:23 AM
Bobby Jindal in his response to Obama speech tonight, told a story, his own personal experience, of how bureaucrats stopped rescue boats from going into New Orleans after Katrina. He used it as an example that government doesn't work, even in a disaster. The problem is that at the time of Katrina, the Republicans were firmly in control of our government. I find it interesting that Jindal was tapped for the Republican response. Surely, the party couldn't ask a member of Congress to give the response given that much of the nation's economic woes can be blamed, in part, on out of control spending during the Bush years, in which the Republicans had control of the House and Senate for six of the eight years.
cheewiee
02-25-2009, 01:27 AM
Bobby Jindal in his response to Obama speech tonight, told a story, his own personal experience, of how bureaucrats stopped rescue boats from going into New Orleans after Katrina. He used it as an example that government doesn't work, even in a disaster. The problem is that at the time of Katrina, the Republicans were firmly in control of our government. I find it interesting that Jindal was tapped for the Republican response. Surely, the party couldn't ask a member of Congress to give the response given that much of the nation's economic woes can be blamed, in part, on out of control spending during the Bush years, in which the Republicans had control of the House and Senate for six of the eight years.
The economy isn't the result of out of control congressional spending during the Bush years...
The blame for the current economy falls on every person that bought a home they couldn't afford, every realtor who sold a home to someone they knew couldn't afford it, every mortgage broker who wrote a loan that they knew the borrower coulnd't repay, and every property appraiser who inflated the value of a home to appease the broker.
These people caused the Credit Crisis, not congressional spending. If congressional spending was the cause, then Obama's rescue plan is going to certainly make a mess of things, as he has already tripled the defecit.
Valpo
02-25-2009, 01:33 AM
Bobby Jindal in his response to Obama speech tonight, told a story, his own personal experience, of how bureaucrats stopped rescue boats from going into New Orleans after Katrina. He used it as an example that government doesn't work, even in a disaster. The problem is that at the time of Katrina, the Republicans were firmly in control of our government.
Ahh, yes, but in Gov. Jindals Louisiana I'm pretty sure Democrats ran the show (as they had for nearly half a century)
AND....what everyone keeps seem to be missing is the Republicans of ~the last 8 years were not behaving like Republicans. I believe that is an important point.
rossid
02-25-2009, 02:56 AM
As said by another Bobby Jindal is a stud.
Jesuslove
02-25-2009, 03:18 AM
Ahh, yes, but in Gov. Jindals Louisiana I'm pretty sure Democrats ran the show (as they had for nearly half a century)
AND....what everyone keeps seem to be missing is the Republicans of ~the last 8 years were not behaving like Republicans. I believe that is an important point.
so we'll give them a pass cause they weren't acting like Republicans? I wouldn't give a Democrat or a conservative a pass on excessive spending.
Valpo
02-25-2009, 03:20 AM
so we'll give them a pass cause they weren't acting like Republicans? I wouldn't give a Democrat or a conservative a pass on excessive spending.
No you dont give them a pass, they were booted out (deservedly so). But you cannot lump Jindal into "the same old failed Republican policies that have failed us the past eight years." Because they aren't. Jindal is a wildly popular governor and to boot, he governs really well! I think he's a breath of fresh air.
Jesuslove
02-25-2009, 03:20 AM
The economy isn't the result of out of control congressional spending during the Bush years...
The blame for the current economy falls on every person that bought a home they couldn't afford, every realtor who sold a home to someone they knew couldn't afford it, every mortgage broker who wrote a loan that they knew the borrower coulnd't repay, and every property appraiser who inflated the value of a home to appease the broker.
These people caused the Credit Crisis, not congressional spending. If congressional spending was the cause, then Obama's rescue plan is going to certainly make a mess of things, as he has already tripled the defecit.
I disagree with you about our current economic situation. Poor lending habits (which WERE largely attributable to irresponsible borrowers) did not create record deficits during the Bush years, nor are they creating job losses (except in the mortgage and housing industries).
lori56
02-25-2009, 03:31 AM
I disagree with you about our current economic situation. Poor lending habits (which WERE largely attributable to irresponsible borrowers) did not create record deficits during the Bush years, nor are they creating job losses (except in the mortgage and housing industries).
You like to keep quoting how the Republicans and Bush created record deficits during the past 8 years. Yet your prime, favored Democrat just made Bush's deficit look minor in comparison. Obama has just TRIPLED the federal deficit. It is YOUR SON who is going to have to pay for this. YOUR SON, and my children and grandchildren. That is what YOUR vote has done. (btw, I voted for Ron Paul.)
cheewiee
02-25-2009, 05:08 AM
I disagree with you about our current economic situation. Poor lending habits (which WERE largely attributable to irresponsible borrowers) did not create record deficits during the Bush years, nor are they creating job losses (except in the mortgage and housing industries).
The Poor Lending habits led DIRECTLY to the current economic credit crisis, and is EXACTLY WHY people are losing jobs...
Jesuslove
02-25-2009, 06:53 AM
You like to keep quoting how the Republicans and Bush created record deficits during the past 8 years. Yet your prime, favored Democrat just made Bush's deficit look minor in comparison. Obama has just TRIPLED the federal deficit. It is YOUR SON who is going to have to pay for this. YOUR SON, and my children and grandchildren. That is what YOUR vote has done. (btw, I voted for Ron Paul.)
This economic stimulus is a necessary evil unfortunately. I don't blame Obama for that. I think our economic predicament is due to bipartisan irresponsibility weighing more heavily on the Republican side as they had control of our budget six of the last eight years.
Jesuslove
02-25-2009, 06:54 AM
The Poor Lending habits led DIRECTLY to the current economic credit crisis, and is EXACTLY WHY people are losing jobs...
I respectfully disagree. I don't think the loss of auto jobs in Detroit has anything to do with the housing crisis.
One could make the argument that it is not poor lending habits as much as it is irresponsible borrowing habits, which have caused this meltdown.
cheewiee
02-25-2009, 07:01 AM
I respectfully disagree. I don't think the loss of auto jobs in Detroit has anything to do with the housing crisis.
One could make the argument that it is not poor lending habits as much as it is irresponsible borrowing habits, which have caused this meltdown.
Sure it does... the credit crisis has prevented the automotive industry from securing loans to ensure that it has capital to continue to operate, thereby forcing them to make cuts to keep functioning as a company.
Jesuslove
02-25-2009, 07:17 AM
Sure it does... the credit crisis has prevented the automotive industry from securing loans to ensure that it has capital to continue to operate, thereby forcing them to make cuts to keep functioning as a company.
Automakers do have access to capital markets and through government borrowing. People aren't buying like they have historically. And the people that have money to sepnd, aren't buying inferior American made products. Fuel prices over the last year have hampered auto sales. Bush, while in office, did not have an energy strategy, other than to continue to rely on oil imports. At least Obama is looking alternatives.
cheewiee
02-25-2009, 08:15 AM
Automakers do have access to capital markets and through government borrowing. People aren't buying like they have historically. And the people that have money to sepnd, aren't buying inferior American made products. Fuel prices over the last year have hampered auto sales. Bush, while in office, did not have an energy strategy, other than to continue to rely on oil imports. At least Obama is looking alternatives.
So yes, the fuel inefficiency of the American Automobile is part of the reason for their decline, so is lack of credit by consumers, consumers concerned about too current economic conditions to go out and buy a new car. But lets not forget the unions, as well. Forcing the US Automakers to pay unreasonably high wages to assembly line workers, with benefits costs through the roof.
This is why companies with plants in America like Honda, and Toyta, can build high quality cars in America at a competitive price.
But just so you can be sure, the current economic meltdown is impacting the auto industry, just look at toyota's recent losses...
Pouye
02-26-2009, 05:42 AM
So yes, the fuel inefficiency of the American Automobile is part of the reason for their decline, so is lack of credit by consumers, consumers concerned about too current economic conditions to go out and buy a new car. But lets not forget the unions, as well. Forcing the US Automakers to pay unreasonably high wages to assembly line workers, with benefits costs through the roof.
This is why companies with plants in America like Honda, and Toyta, can build high quality cars in America at a competitive price.
But just so you can be sure, the current economic meltdown is impacting the auto industry, just look at toyota's recent losses...
Anyone who knows anything about economics knows three things:
1. The economy literally runs on attitude, not money. When people feel secure enough to spend (including investing, taking out loans, buying, etc.) the economy does well.
2. The economy has a "heartbeat" rhythm (normally) and although it has its sectors, each sector will affect the other sectors over the long haul (but not always short-term) if they are impacted dramatically.
3. The Federal government regulates the economy merely by providing incentives through interest rates and tax regulation. But honestly, they do not actually DO anything -- just provide incentives.
Rock
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