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The Unknown Gomer
02-23-2009, 12:42 PM
According to Space.com, there has been/will be a comet out there to check out. Tonight 2/23 into tomorrow morning 2/24 is supposed to be its brightest night. People with dark skies can apparently see it with just their peepers, people in lighter areas - like me, BOO! - will most likely need binoculars or telescopes. The good news for me is that I happen to have both. :) Whether I've got enough get up and go left tonight to haul out the 60 pounds of telescope from the basement and get it set up on the back deck is a different story. :rolleyes:

Look for it near Saturn as it rises in the eastern sky. Based on this map of where it'll be tomorrow morning before sunup, I'm figuring it to be just ABOVE Saturn as it rises tonight...

http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/090206-lulin-feb24-02.jpg

If you're having trouble finding Saturn, look for the three stars of Orion's belt, follow the belt down to the really bright star Sirius, hop across the three dimmer stars arcing across to the left, that'll take you to Regulus, go over one more star, then drop down to find a bright non-twinkly thing. That should be Saturn. I'm thinking the comet should be up and to the left a bit. Just a guess though. :)

Off to go freeze and see if Saturn has come up yet. :D Brrrr... My weather toolbar says its about 38 out there right now.

EDIT: Still too low in the sky @ 7:45pm. I'll probably watch "Chuck" for the next hour and then go look...


Newfound Comet Lulin to Grace Night Skies

By Joe Rao
SPACE.com Skywatching Columnist
posted: 06 February 2009
09:34 am ET

During the next few weeks, a comet bright enough for observation in binoculars and possibly even with the naked eye will provide a fine skywatching target when weather permits.

Comet Lulin will be closest to Earth on Feb. 24 and prime viewing will occur than and on surrounding nights. For sharp-eye viewers with dark, rural, skies, the comet is expected to be visible as a dim, fuzzy star.

People living in cities and suburbs are not expected to see the comet with the naked eye, but binoculars and telescopes will reveal its cloudy head and perhaps a striking tail, too. Comets are unpredictable, however, so it's impossible to say how bright this one might become.

Already Lulin is an enjoyable target for small telescopes, producing several striking photographs in the predawn sky. The object is best found using a sky map tailored to your location.

The discovery

The comet was photographed by Chi Sheng Lin using a 16-inch telescope at the Lulin Observatory at Nantou, Taiwan on July 11, 2007. But it was a 19-year old student, Quanzhi Ye at Sun Yat-sen University in Mainland China who first recognized the new object on three images that were taken by Lin.

Initially it was thought to be an asteroid, new images taken a week later revealed the telltale presence of a faint coma.

The discovery was part of the Lulin Sky Survey project to explore the various populations of small bodies in the solar system, especially objects that possibly could pose a hazard to the Earth. As such, the comet has been christened Comet Lulin, more formally known to astronomers as Comet C/2007 N3.

This comet is the brightest since the surprising outburst of Comet Holmes more than 15 months ago and in the coming weeks will become favorably placed in the evening sky. During mid-to-late February it will probably be about magnitude 5 or 6, making it perhaps visible to the naked eye in dark, rural locations and easily observable in binoculars or small telescopes.

Unusual orbit

Brian Marsden of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory has calculated that Comet Lulin passed through the perihelion point of its orbit (its closest approach to the sun) on Jan. 10, 113 million miles (182 million kilometers) from the sun. However, while the comet is now receding from the sun, its distance from the Earth is decreasing, with a minimum of 38 million miles (61 million kilometers) on Feb. 24.

For this reason, the comet should be at its brightest during the last week of February; then it will fade fast by mid-March.

The orbit of Comet Lulin is very nearly a parabola, according to Marsden. It is also rather unusual since it is moving through space in a direction opposite to that of the planets at a very low inclination of just 1.6-degrees from the ecliptic. As such, because it is moving opposite to the motion of our Earth, the comet will appear to track rather quickly against the background stars as one observes the object from one night to the next.

In addition, over the next three weeks, the comet will appear to rise an average of about 20-minutes earlier each night. Right now, it is best seen in the predawn sky.

Rapid track

On the night of Feb. 7, for instance, Lulin will rise above the east-southeast horizon around midnight and will appear at its highest in the sky toward the south at the break of dawn. But on the night of the 24th, when it will be passing nearest to Earth, Lulin will be visible all night, rising in the east at dusk, peaking high in the south shortly after midnight and setting in the west around sunrise.

Currently located in the constellation Libra, Comet Lulin will appear to move on a northwest trajectory, crossing over into Virgo on Feb. 11 and passing 3-degrees north of the 1st-magnitude star Spica in Virgo on Feb. 16 (for comparison, your clenched fist held at arm's length measures about 10-degrees in width).

On the night of Feb. 23, now virtually at its peak brightness, the comet will be sitting just 2-degrees south-southwest of the planet Saturn, which you can use as a benchmark to locate the comet. Moreover, around this time, Comet Lulin will be racing at more than 5-degrees per day -- that's roughly the equivalent of the distance between the stars Dubhe and Merak, the "Pointer Stars" of the Big Dipper; so even a few minutes of watching with a telescope should reveal the comet's slow shift relative to background field stars.

On Feb. 27, the fading comet will slip just 1-degree south of the 1st-magnitude star, Regulus in Leo. And come the night of March 5, Lulin -- by then probably between magnitudes 6 and 7 and no longer visible without binoculars or a telescope -- will pass to within 2-degrees of the famous Beehive Star Cluster in Cancer.

Look for an Antitail

Comets are visible because radiation from the sun releases gas and dust from the comet. That material then shines with reflected sunlight, creating a cloudy head, or coma, and sometimes one or two tails.

Even when it's at its very brightest, naked-eye observers probably see Comet Lulin as resembling only a dim, fuzzy star. In binoculars, or a small telescope the comet may resemble an apple on a stick; that is, the comet's diffuse head or coma should appear round and somewhat condensed toward its center, with perhaps a tinge of blue or green, while a narrow tail of gas extends out to the northwest.

In addition, telescopic observers should also look for a "spike" of light, pointing in a direction opposite to the tail. This strange effect, called an "antitail," is caused by a thin sheet of dust that is expelled by the comet but normally is visible for a brief interval when the Earth passes through the comet's orbital plane.

But because Earth will remain in the comet's orbital plane through February and on into March, there will be an ongoing chance of catching a glimpse of the antitail as well.

ayfan
02-23-2009, 03:13 PM
I didn't have any luck locating it. Way too much light pollution here :( . I do have one of those light polltuion filters for my telescopes....but that would involve unearthing one of the telescopes from the deep dark back of my closet, hauling it down a long flight of stairs, and risking getting attacked by a drunk in the dark while concentrating on the sky rather than my surroundings. I think I will just go to bed and dream about living somewhere more private:rolleyes:

The Unknown Gomer
02-23-2009, 04:07 PM
I think I'm having the same problem here, too much stray light. I DID haul my 8 inch 60 pound telescope up the stairs and out onto the deck, and you'd think with that thing, I'd see SOMETHING, but while I found Saturn (along with a couple of moons) easily, I've had NO luck spotting the comet. And I've been out there almost 2 hours now. :(

What gets me if if tonight is its brightest night, and I can't find it tonight, I might as well forget about it, it's only going to get fainter as each night progresses.

Giving it one more go before I go to bed. I mean, how hard can it be to find THIS!?! :confused: Saturn is there on the left, and the comet is on the right. I've got to just reverse it to find it with the telescope. But other than that it shouldn't be THAT hard.

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Off I go! *sigh* I just can't believe I'm not seeing it. Even that last comet that came zipping through, I saw it easily, and even got a couple of camera on a tripod pics of it. THIS one...

I don't know, I'm starting to think someone is playing a prank and there's really not one out there. LOL. :P

The Unknown Gomer
02-23-2009, 04:46 PM
Okay, went out again, looked exactly where the picture said to look, and saw, again, what I've been just assuming was a star all night. I'm starting to think that's probably the comet and there's just too much stray light to see any of the comet-y features. It's in exactly the right spot, at the correct distance away. But even through the telescope it didn't look very comet-y.

So I don't know...

On the bright side, I found a red Christmas sock that I tore my dresser drawers apart looking for in December. :D I'd completely forgotten that I'd borrowed it to cover the end of my flashlight to give me a light that was night-vision safe, and I ended up sticking both it, and the flashlight (which I've also been looking for for the last year) in the case with all my eyepieces and such. DOH! I need a Christmas do-over so I can wear my red socks now. LOL.

The Unknown Gomer
02-24-2009, 01:10 PM
New position of the comet tonight. And yes, I'm going to pop my head out and see if I can't see it better (or at all) tonight. Might even leave the yard and drive to a darker spot to see it, if I can't get a handle on it from the backyard.

Tonight it's above Saturn, about a quarter of the way between Saturn and Regulus, the furthest right star in the arc of Leo (the one I accidentally put the "untitled indicator" on, that I can't figure out how to get rid of now :rolleyes: ).

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Genna14
02-24-2009, 01:54 PM
Awww I missed this!!! :(

pamcharlie
02-24-2009, 02:46 PM
The comet in question is above me this week so hopefully if the weather is fine tomorrow night when i go the shakespeare again i will get to see it

The Unknown Gomer
02-24-2009, 02:47 PM
It was just at it's brightest last night, but it'll be in the sky for another week or two weeks or so, until sometime in early March, and it's up all night.

So if it's still dark where you are ;) you've not missed it yet.

I, on the other hand, am apparently done with it. Drove to the darkest area of Raleigh I could think of, and there was still too much ambient light in the sky from all the distant streetlights and such, I still couldn't see it.

And since it's only going to get dimmer from here out, I think it's a lost cause. :( Oh well, at least I tried.

RevZeek
02-25-2009, 12:50 PM
How did I not hear about this! WIll check it out tonight! Thanks!

The Unknown Gomer
02-25-2009, 01:39 PM
If you can spot it, it's half way between Saturn and Regulus tonight.

I was actually going to go out ONE more time, this time with just my Nikon, which has better night vision than I do (the first time I took time exposures of the sky a few years back, I could see maybe 8-10 stars. The camera on a long exposure picked up oodles more than that!). I figure if anything could pick up this ever elusive comet, IT could. I figured I'd take it out, aim it where the comet was SUPPOSED to be and just shoot blindly, and see if I could get any shots of it that way.

Alas, when I went out to see where about it was in the sky, found it to be 100% overcast. Guess the clouds that were supposed to roll in last night came in tonight instead.

Oh well.

SueQ
02-25-2009, 02:07 PM
OK...found Saturn easily, and Regulus....but NO WAY can I find the comet....even when the street lamp tried to help by going out....rats...

pamcharlie
02-25-2009, 02:08 PM
If you can spot it, it's half way between Saturn and Regulus tonight.

I was actually going to go out ONE more time, this time with just my Nikon, which has better night vision than I do (the first time I took time exposures of the sky a few years back, I could see maybe 8-10 stars. The camera on a long exposure picked up oodles more than that!). I figure if anything could pick up this ever elusive comet, IT could. I figured I'd take it out, aim it where the comet was SUPPOSED to be and just shoot blindly, and see if I could get any shots of it that way.

Alas, when I went out to see where about it was in the sky, found it to be 100% overcast. Guess the clouds that were supposed to roll in last night came in tonight instead.

Oh well.
That is the trouble with living in the city the city lights are too bright to see comets ugh i love seeing comets i did see comet mac naught in 2007 it was great

The Unknown Gomer
02-26-2009, 01:28 PM
It's still out there, if you can find it. :)

Now about three quarters of the way from Saturn to Regulus.

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I'm going to pop my head out the door and see if we have clouds tonight. There were a few coming in when I got home from work, so I have no idea what I'll find when I get out there...

EDIT: Found Saturn, found Regulus, and in between them, a whole bunch of lovely puffy clouds. Although as the clouds moved through it's possible that I caught one or two shots of the comet. Or they could just be more stars, I can't tell for sure. LOL.

NOW you can put a fork in me, I'm done. If the Nikon couldn't pick it up, nothing I've got here at the house will.