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R. Smith
02-10-2009, 04:26 AM
Alex Rodriguez came out yesterday, and admited he took steroids. Sports Illustrated said 104 players tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in MLB's 2003 survey testing.

It doesn't suprise me that he was using steroids, but it suprises that MLB and or the Union hasn't made a big deal over this. Pete Rose was made a outcast 'cause of his gambling, and kept out of the Hall of Fame. How is gambling worse than taking steriods???

Howlin' Wolf
02-10-2009, 05:54 AM
Alex Rodriguez came out yesterday, and admited he took steroids. Sports Illustrated said 104 players tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in MLB's 2003 survey testing.

It doesn't suprise me that he was using steroids, but it suprises that MLB and or the Union hasn't made a big deal over this. Pete Rose was made a outcast 'cause of his gambling, and kept out of the Hall of Fame. How is gambling worse than taking steriods???

Pete Rose bet on baseball while he was the manager of the Reds. Steroids or any other PED's weren't banned until 2004. Bonds, Clemens, and A-Rod have never broken any rules.

Valpo
02-10-2009, 06:12 AM
Wolf, there was no punishment until 2004, but they were certainly banned substances. In addition, steroids sans prescription, have long been illegal in the United States of America, where Major League Baseball is based out of and gets perks from. It's illegal, it's cheating. What Rose did hardly even compares to the travesty of PED's in this sport.

Release the other 103 names though, not just A-Rod, I don't care who's on there. Another thing that gets the public mad is that the 3 players you specifically cited are maybe the three most arrogant public figures in the country. They used PED's to get a leg up and smashed records or helped smash records along the way. That is why this is a big deal. They wouldn't cover it up if it weren't wrong, yet they did and all publicly and repeatedly lied about using. A-Rod's performance on 20/20 with Couric in December 07 when he said he never used and never had to because he was just that good.

Pride cometh before the fall. As humans if asking for forgiveness (A-Rod almost kinda sorta did) it should be granted. But that doesn't mean actions don't have consequences, they surely do. They did this to themselves and it is their fault and their fault alone.

R. Smith
02-10-2009, 08:59 AM
A. Rod did say on TV yesterday...he was sorry. I do believe he is sorry. It seems to me, current players, the players Union, and MBL as awhole seem ok with this. That from 2001-2003, A. Rod us using juice.

Howlin' Wolf
02-10-2009, 10:34 AM
Wolf, there was no punishment until 2004, but they were certainly banned substances. In addition, steroids sans prescription, have long been illegal in the United States of America, where Major League Baseball is based out of and gets perks from. It's illegal, it's cheating. What Rose did hardly even compares to the travesty of PED's in this sport.

Release the other 103 names though, not just A-Rod, I don't care who's on there. Another thing that gets the public mad is that the 3 players you specifically cited are maybe the three most arrogant public figures in the country. They used PED's to get a leg up and smashed records or helped smash records along the way. That is why this is a big deal. They wouldn't cover it up if it weren't wrong, yet they did and all publicly and repeatedly lied about using. A-Rod's performance on 20/20 with Couric in December 07 when he said he never used and never had to because he was just that good.

Pride cometh before the fall. As humans if asking for forgiveness (A-Rod almost kinda sorta did) it should be granted. But that doesn't mean actions don't have consequences, they surely do. They did this to themselves and it is their fault and their fault alone.


the banned substances were hardcore drugs like coke and heroin. Sure, A-rod lied to Couric. Anybody would have lied. The Mitchell reprt was supposed to be the "definitve" report on steroid use. But here is the most important thing that this witch hunt refuses to address. There is no definitive evidence that steroids or HGH will produce results. NONE!

the media needs to stop with this witch hunt. There are numerous reasons for the offensive surge that occurred during the "steroid" era.

Dan!
02-10-2009, 11:45 AM
The big question that needs to be answered is where does baseball go from here? There is a big circle of blame to go around, from the ownership that enabled PED use to the fans that looked the other way to players that still refuse to own up to it until they are corned.

What needs to happen next?

Howlin' Wolf
02-10-2009, 07:05 PM
The big question that needs to be answered is where does baseball go from here? There is a big circle of blame to go around, from the ownership that enabled PED use to the fans that looked the other way to players that still refuse to own up to it until they are corned.

What needs to happen next?


we need to play ball!

Dan!
02-13-2009, 09:53 AM
I wish it was as simple as playing ball and moving on.

Baseball really needs to clean it's act up now. Here' s why:


Baseball is the one sport enjoying anti-trust exemption. The feds have every right to look into the shadiness of drug use and they will only dig deeper as long as owners and the union play dumb.
The union in baseball is too strong. They have allowed their players "best interest" to overshadow obvious drug use.
Dozens of players have taken advantage of years enhanced by PED use to sign lofty contracts (Tejada, Giambi, etc...) and don't live up to them.
The general public is tired of being lied to. It has now gotten to the point that no player is beyond suspicion (the list of 104 is only a snapshot of pre-HGH testing). Stepping up and admitting it's faults as well as taking real aim at cleaning it's act up is needed.

rossid
02-13-2009, 08:23 PM
Rose should be in the HoF without a doubt.

I've got more respect for A-Roid than ever before.

R. Smith
02-17-2009, 11:00 AM
A-Rod keep saying he was young and stupid when he was taking roid's, but the last time he took it he was 27. Seems to me he hired someone for damage control, and is telling Alex what to say in the news.

Will this cast a shadow on the NY Yankees, and baseball as awhole??? This is a story that won't go away...

Genna14
02-19-2009, 07:16 PM
I just wanted to pop in and say thats the funniest thread title I've ever seen.

Sam!
02-21-2009, 09:12 AM
Other sports enjoy anti-trust exemptions.

A-Rod is getting a heck of a lot of praise for doing what he should have done (tell the truth). That doesn't make him heroic. It means He did what he was supposed to do.

Gambling involves the risk of makign the game a complete farce - if the outcome is predetermined then the whole thing is a sham. PEDs make it unfair, and ought to be banned, and users punished harshly, but they're not the same IMO.

Jason, what do you call the dramatic rise in the output of players who were "good" who then went on to put on great stats--only to fall when they wer forced to abandon their banned substnaces?