California Woman Gives Birth To EIGHT Babies!!

[Tony Trout]

This is absolutely insane! This lady needs her head examined....:eek: :confused: :mad: I love children and would love to have a family someday but - I'm not that desperate or crazy

I guess Jon & Kate aren't gonna be TLC's moneymaker now...

(FWIW, I hate that show - Kate seems like a total...well, I won't say it here. And Jon infuriates me because he just lets Kate run all over him). :mad: :mad:



CA Woman Gives Birth To Eight Babies (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28864195/?gt1=43001)

[in hiding]

This is absolutely insane! This lady needs her head examined....:eek: :confused: :mad: I love children and would love to have a family someday but - I'm not that desperate or crazy

I guess Jon & Kate aren't gonna be TLC's moneymaker now...

(FWIW, I hate that show - Kate seems like a total...well, I won't say it here. And Jon infuriates me because he just lets Kate run all over him). :mad: :mad:



CA Woman Gives Birth To Eight Babies (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28864195/?gt1=43001)

and she already had 6. kudo's to CA taxpayers for bankrolling her and her 14 kids!

[freakysoccer]

yeah, this woman is a little strange to me. i have no problem with someone wanting a large family i want kids myself someday but for a single parent to already have 6 children in a 3 bedroom home owned by the grandmother, it's irresponsible in my opinion. the financial obligations are too much for a single parent to handle.

[HumanityisSaved]

you know I have read a few libby blogs that are ragging on her for having more babies and needing govt. assistance anyway. I say what's goog for the goose.... "it's her body and the govt. has no business telling her what she can do with her own body!":P

[Jesuslove]

you know I have read a few libby blogs that are ragging on her for having more babies and needing govt. assistance anyway. I say what's goog for the goose.... "it's her body and the govt. has no business telling her what she can do with her own body!":P

I have no problem with people doing with their bodies as they wish. The taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for her irresponsibility.

[Evanescence]

Where do we draw the line between accountability, protocol and peoples rights...

This was an abuse...

[Pouye]

I have no problem with people doing with their bodies as they wish. The taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for her irresponsibility.

So taxpayers should just let the kids starve? I though you believed in welfare?

Rock
:confused:

[HumanityisSaved]

I have no problem with people doing with their bodies as they wish. The taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for her irresponsibility.

what about US tax payer's money going to other countries so that "women can do with their bodies as they wish"

[Jesuslove]

So taxpayers should just let the kids starve? I though you believed in welfare?

Rock
:confused:

No, I think we have to support the kids. That's our duty. However, it's irresponsible for the mother to have more kids than she can handle or support. As Ev says, it's a fine line. Many conservatives don't support welfare, and don't support abortion. So if they had their way, abortion would be illegal and there would be no welfare to support millions of unwanted children.

[Jesuslove]

what about US tax payer's money going to other countries so that "women can do with their bodies as they wish"

It's easy for a man to dictate to a woman what to do with her body. Men often have the option of walking away from the situation. Women don't.

[The Unknown Gomer]

No, I think we have to support the kids. That's our duty. However, it's irresponsible for the mother to have more kids than she can handle or support. As Ev says, it's a fine line. Many conservatives don't support welfare, and don't support abortion. So if they had their way, abortion would be illegal and there would be no welfare to support millions of unwanted children.

There was an article in the paper about her this morning. She says that she's NEVER been on welfare, and didn't intend to start, planning on relying on her family, friends, and her church for assistance.

Now they're going after the clinic that actually implanted all those embryos, saying something about that it was a bad medical decision to actually implant that many in a woman that age, who already had 6 kids. So there still may be further repercussions for the medical clinic that actually performed the implantation.

[YankeeGomer]

http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf

[Valpo]

Conservatives do not support welfare because it is the govt doling out dollars from taxpayers, NOT because it is an entity that seeks to help others. I would say conservatives would wish to see a community separate of the govt be able to reach out and help the less fortunate.

I'm rather tired of "conservatives are against welfare" translating into "conservatives are against helping people and they're inconsistent"

[Yippy]

There was an article in the paper about her this morning. She says that she's NEVER been on welfare, and didn't intend to start, planning on relying on her family, friends, and her church for assistance.


I wonder if she asked her family, friends and church before she committed to having another 7 children. I couldn't imagine a friend of mine with 6 children and no husband having 7-8 more children and expecting me & everyone else to help. I could barely keep up with my two and a husband.

I'm terribly surprised she passed a psychological evaluation for the next round of invitro. It would appear that she's "addicted" to having children and caring for babies. Wouldn't you think that 6 children would satisfy the motherly instinct? How many people can one person nurture at one time? There are just endless questions. I'm very surprised this has happened.

[The Unknown Gomer]

I wonder if she asked her family, friends and church before she committed to having another 7 children. I couldn't imagine a friend of mine with 6 children and no husband having 7-8 more children and expecting me & everyone else to help...

My thoughts exactly. It was my understanding that as it was, that she and her 6 kids were living at home with her parents before she even had the next 8 babies. Kind of selfish to expect everyone else to pitch in to help you with your 14 kids when you already weren't self sufficient enough to just take care of the six that you already had.

Of course, now that she's doing the whole talk show circuit, THAT should help with her expenses somewhat. As long as she doesn't use THAT money to implant MORE embryos. :rolleyes: ;)

[Sam!]

No, I think we have to support the kids. That's our duty. However, it's irresponsible for the mother to have more kids than she can handle or support. As Ev says, it's a fine line. Many conservatives don't support welfare, and don't support abortion. So if they had their way, abortion would be illegal and there would be no welfare to support millions of unwanted children.
No, if we had our way abortion would be properly recognized as murder, and the government wouldn't be handing money to adults who couldn't make responsible decisions. I'm not against all welfare or even government welfare, and while the two issues are linked they are not moral equivalents. Denying welfare is not in the same moral playing field as killing unborn children. Just because men can walk away doesn't mean we need to give women the same option by permitting murder.

[The Unknown Gomer]

This is worse than the beach people here in NC expecting the people in the rest of the state to cover the additional cost of the extra storm insurance they may be required to keep on their beach houses. :mad:

Taxpayers may have to cover octuplet mom's costs
By SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER, Associated Press Writer Shaya Tayefe Mohajer, Associated Press Writer – Thu Feb 12, 12:33 am ET AP –

LOS ANGELES – A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red.

Even before the 33-year-old single, unemployed mother gave birth to octuplets last month, she had been caring for her six other children with the help of $490 a month in food stamps, plus Social Security disability payments for three of the youngsters. The public aid will almost certainly be increased with the new additions to her family.

Also, the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times. The cost has not been disclosed.

Word of the public assistance has stoked the furor over Suleman's decision to have so many children by having embryos implanted in her womb.

"It appears that, in the case of the Suleman family, raising 14 children takes not simply a village but the combined resources of the county, state and federal governments," Los Angeles Times columnist Tim Rutten wrote in Wednesday's paper. He called Suleman's story "grotesque."

On the Internet, bloggers rained insults on Suleman, calling her an "idiot," criticizing her decision to have more children when she couldn't afford the ones she had and suggesting she be sterilized.

"It's my opinion that a woman's right to reproduce should be limited to a number which the parents can pay for," Charles Murray wrote in a letter to the Los Angeles Daily News. "Why should my wife and I, as taxpayers, pay child support for 14 Suleman kids?"

She was also berated on talk radio, where listeners accused her of manipulating the system and being an irresponsible mother.

"From the outside you can tell that this woman was playing the system," host Bryan Suits said on the "Kennedy and Suits" show on KFI-AM. "You're damn right the state should step in and seize the kids and adopt them out."

Suleman's spokesman, Mike Furtney, urged understanding.

"I would just ask people to consider her situation and she has been under a tremendous amount of pressure that no one could be prepared for," Furtney said.

Furtney said he, Suleman and her family had received death threats and had been getting messages that were "disgusting things that would never be proper to put in any story."

In her only media interviews, Suleman told NBC's "Today" she doesn't consider the public assistance she receives to be welfare and doesn't intend to remain on it for long.

Also, a Nadya Suleman Family Web Site has been set up to collect donations for the children. It features pictures of the mother and each octuplet and has instructions for making donations by check or credit card.

Suleman, whose six older children range in age from 2 to 7, said three of them receive disability payments. She told NBC one is autistic, another has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, known as ADHD, and a third experienced a mild speech delay with "tiny characteristics of autism." She refused to say how much they get in payments.

In California, a low-income family can receive Social Security payments of up to $793 a month for each disabled child. Three children would amount to $2,379.

The Suleman octuplets' medical costs have not been disclosed, but in 2006, the average cost for a premature baby's hospital stay in California was $164,273, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Eight times that equals $1.3 million.

For a single mother, the cost of raising 14 children through age 17 ranges from $1.3 million to $2.7 million, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is struggling to close a $42 billion budget gap by cutting services, declined through a spokesman to comment on the taxpayer costs associated with the octuplets' delivery and care.

State Sen. Sam Aanestad, R-Grass Valley, an oral surgeon who sits on the Health Committee, said that once a state Medical Board investigation is complete, lawmakers could review issues from government oversight to standards in fertility treatment.

Suleman received disability payments for an on-the-job back injury during a riot at a state mental hospital, collecting more than $165,000 over nearly a decade before the benefits were discontinued last year.

Some of the disability money was spent on in vitro fertilizations, which was used for all 14 of her children, Suleman said. She said she also worked double shifts at the mental hospital and saved up for the treatments. She estimated that all her treatments cost $100,000.

Fourteen states, including California, require insurance companies to offer or provide coverage for infertility treatment, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. But California has a law specifically excluding in vitro coverage. It's not clear what type of coverage Suleman has.

In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling, and will use student loans to support her children. She already owes $50,000 in student loans, she told NBC. She said she will rely on the school's daycare center and volunteers.

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On the Net:

http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily .com