President Obama to reverse ABORTION policy

[HumanityisSaved]

Sure... why not?:eek:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGEFeIsWrfluY5Iqqe_ zaKFw9YOgD95SUB4G1

Not a greatly comforting start to the BHOA

[cheewiee]

Sure... why not?:eek:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGEFeIsWrfluY5Iqqe_ zaKFw9YOgD95SUB4G1

Not a greatly comforting start to the BHOA

This was expected... Our Federal Tax dollars being spend to PAY for abortions...

:rolleyes:

Let the 2012 Election Begin....

[PROMISED LAND]

very sad....

[HumanityisSaved]

I think the ban on Federal funds going to overseas baby killers was first ordered by Mr. Ronald Wilson Reagan, repealed by Mr. William Jefferson Clinton, re-enacted by Mr. George Walker Bush, and now repealed by Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Its a step backward for the rights of the unborn.

[Shonsu]

I think the ban on Federal funds going to overseas baby killers was first ordered by Mr. Ronald Wilson Reagan, repealed by Mr. William Jefferson Clinton, re-enacted by Mr. George Walker Bush, and now repealed by Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Its a step backward for the rights of the unborn.


Yes, I agree. I also believe that the blood of every baby killed because of this will be on the hands of Obama and everyone who voted for him.

[HumanityisSaved]

Yes, I agree. I also believe that the blood of every baby killed because of this will be on the hands of Obama and everyone who voted for him.

Well hold on thar' a minute. Those who voted for Barack Hussein Obama are not directly responsible for what he does. If so the blood of thousands is on the hands of those who voted for George Walker Bush. It becomes a very sticky and circular agruement.

One of the reasons I am not a Democrat is becasue of abortion and one of the reasons I left the Republicans is because of abortion. In 12 years of having a majority in the House and Senate the Republicans did little about abortion. The truth is that the Republican party has abandoned its Pro-Life beliefs because the Blue Bloods run the party now and only TOLERATE all you Evangelicals out there because traditionally they've needed your vote. they think you're stupid and ignorant and most Blue Bloods have very weak if any beliefs in God.

Yes the blood of those babies is on Barack Hussein Obama's hands but you must agree his voters cannot be held personally responsible for what he does or does not do.

[danbos]

It becomes a very sticky and circular agruement.

Very sticky if everyone has blood on their hands! ;)

[HumanityisSaved]

Very sticky if everyone has blood on their hands! ;)

The only politician I know with NO innocent blood on his hands is well.... ahem.... need I say it... RON PAUL.

There may be others but they must be chicken pellets because they don't speak up.

May I say too that last year during the primaries Hannity Limbaugh Beck and others made Dr. Paul out to be some sort of whacko and lately they have been treating him like the all-wise econimic and Constitutional guru that he is.

It's enough to make you believe in conspiracy theories and bigfoot!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Unknown Gomer]

Bigfoot doesn't exist? :eek:

[danbos]

Speaking of Bigfoot, I haven't seen E around in a while. :P ;)

[NotMyOwn]

It's sad too the the U.S.still thinks it has the moral highground in the world.:o

[HumanityisSaved]

Speaking of Bigfoot, I haven't seen E around in a while. :P ;)

What is an E or who is an E?

[Genna14]

Yes, I agree. I also believe that the blood of every baby killed because of this will be on the hands of Obama and everyone who voted for him.
I actually disagree. I believe that it will be on our heads, as a nation.

[Pouye]

What is an E or who is an E?

Short for Evanescence, a board member who is convinced that Bigfoot and aliens are jiggin' it in the woods behind your house. :D (Where is he, anyway? Maybe he was abducted!!!:eek: )

Rock

[rossid]

Hypocrisy in my opinion: "In the coming weeks, my administration will initiate a fresh conversation on family planning, working to find areas of common ground to best meet the needs of women and families at home and around the world," the president said.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=396898

And this needs to be posted too:

"On this anniversary, we must also recommit ourselves more broadly to ensuring that our daughters have the same rights and opportunities as our sons: the chance to attain a world-class education; to have fulfilling careers in any industry; to be treated fairly and paid equally for their work and to have no limits on their dreams," Obama said. "That is what I want for women everywhere."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-seeks-middle-ground-abortion-debate/100days/

What does this mean? Women need to have abortions because those who have kids can't go to college and have great careers? That was my impluse interpretation two days ago.

What do y'all think?

[bajagill]

Hypocrisy in my opinion: "In the coming weeks, my administration will initiate a fresh conversation on family planning, working to find areas of common ground to best meet the needs of women and families at home and around the world," the president said.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=396898

And this needs to be posted too:

"On this anniversary, we must also recommit ourselves more broadly to ensuring that our daughters have the same rights and opportunities as our sons: the chance to attain a world-class education; to have fulfilling careers in any industry; to be treated fairly and paid equally for their work and to have no limits on their dreams," Obama said. "That is what I want for women everywhere."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-seeks-middle-ground-abortion-debate/100days/

What does this mean? Women need to have abortions because those who have kids can't go to college and have great careers? That was my impluse interpretation two days ago.

What do y'all think?

I did not get to/want to watch his speech so I don't know the entirety or the full context of this statement, but, at first blush I would agree with your read on it. I'm sure that in the days to come somebody for the left will be out there on the 'waves "interpreting" this statement for all us po' fo'ks that can't think for ourselves.....

[R. Smith]

I made a statement on a tread called, 'Do you think Obama will make a great Prez.'??? I says he would be a ok Prez., but he will be against Christian. I stand by that. People say he is a Christian, but his actions aren't saying that. He gave the green light for the government to kill unborn babies.

All I can say is, this is what you wanted America. You voted 4 Obama, 4 change. But it looks like its a change for the worse... Too many generations of kids were taken away, forget that song - If a tree falls in a forest. If another baby life is so eazily taken away, does anyone hear??? Or care???

-r-

PS - Don't get me wrong, I love Americans. I pray for y'all...

[HumanityisSaved]

I made a statement on a tread called, 'Do you think Obama will make a great Prez.'??? I says he would be a ok Prez., but he will be against Christian. I stand by that. People say he is a Christian, but his actions aren't saying that. He gave the green light for the government to kill unborn babies.

All I can say is, this is what you wanted America. You voted 4 Obama, 4 change. But it looks like its a change for the worse... Too many generations of kids were taken away, forget that song - If a tree falls in a forest. If another baby life is so eazily taken away, does anyone hear??? Or care???

-r-

PS - Don't get me wrong, I love Americans. I pray for y'all...

What did the Republicans or the GWBA do to end abortion? In all the YEARS they were in power what did they do? Really! I am as sad as anyone about the decision to fund abortions in other countries with MY TAX dollars. In fact I am against funding anything on the Federal level with my Federal Income Tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kiwisongbird]

Yes, I agree. I also believe that the blood of every baby killed because of this will be on the hands of Obama and everyone who voted for him.

I think that's a strange kind of thing to say, does that mean that every person who voted for Mr Bush are responsible for every bad thing that he did or was part of? :confused: :confused:

[VerbumReale]

What did the Republicans or the GWBA do to end abortion? In all the YEARS they were in power what did they do? Really! I am as sad as anyone about the decision to fund abortions in other countries with MY TAX dollars. In fact I am against funding anything on the Federal level with my Federal Income Tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yep. I mean to W's credit he was able to appoint some conservative judges on the supreme court. And if he had gotten one more then there was a chance that Roe V Wade could have been overturned. But, when it comes to abortion there is far too much emphasis on overturning Roe V Wade. While it would be a positive change, it would not be the end all, be all. It would simply revert abortion back to the states authority. Which would essentially mean the blue states would still have it and probably some of the red states as well. I would much rather see a candidate like Rudy Giuliani who is pro-choice but is not in bed with Planned Parenthood and NARAL. This freed him to address abortion from a cultural vantage point as the mayor of NYC. The abortion rate in NYC went down significantly during his tenure as mayor. The problem with Pres Obama isn't just that he is pro-choice but that he is firmly in the pocket of Planned Parenthood and NARAL. He talks about how he's going to try and reduce the number of abortions in the US but the fact that he is the only presidential candidate to be endorsed by NARAL calls that into question. I seriously doubt NARAL would have endorsed him if they thought that to be true.

And to R.Smith, while this is what America wanted in the sense that he won the election. Remember, not all of us voted for him. Don't get me wrong, I will be faithful to Romans and honor him as my president. But don't let it ever be said that it was what I, or anyone else who didn't vote for him wanted.

[kiwisongbird]

I guess you had to be there to think that was about abortion, was it in the context of speaking about abortion? otherwise I would totally agree - I'm an elementary school teacher and in New Zealand historically elementary school teachers have been paid waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower than high school teachers mostly because there are more women in those jobs... that has been corrected I think... also nurses are still pretty low paid as are most jobs where there are more women than men... equal pay - hah!

I certainly don't agree with abortion,but can't see that the previous administration did much to stop it...

[rossid]

Steve, I've been quoting Rudy from Hannity where he reminded listeners what welfare was like in NY. Those hated him but those that could work should work. So if I like that fiscal/social policy perhaps he would have been good for abortion too. Maybe a BIT like what Jason(?)(Jesuslove) says about Obama and the reduction of abortions through policies which CANNOT be compared to Rudy because they may have different loyalties to the pro-abortion folks such as PP and NAPAL(National Association for the Promotion of Aborting Lives).

[VerbumReale]

Sometimes it is amazing how powerful something as mundane as a cartoon can be. Check it out.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm09012220090123010113.jp g

[Rainlily]

Hypocrisy in my opinion: "In the coming weeks, my administration will initiate a fresh conversation on family planning, working to find areas of common ground to best meet the needs of women and families at home and around the world," the president said.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=396898

And this needs to be posted too:

"On this anniversary, we must also recommit ourselves more broadly to ensuring that our daughters have the same rights and opportunities as our sons: the chance to attain a world-class education; to have fulfilling careers in any industry; to be treated fairly and paid equally for their work and to have no limits on their dreams," Obama said. "That is what I want for women everywhere."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-seeks-middle-ground-abortion-debate/100days/

What does this mean? Women need to have abortions because those who have kids can't go to college and have great careers?
That was my impluse interpretation two days ago.

What do y'all think?

That's what it sounds like he's saying to me! They would most likely end up as single moms in dead end jobs.

I think the ban on Federal funds going to overseas baby killers was first ordered by Mr. Ronald Wilson Reagan, repealed by Mr. William Jefferson Clinton, re-enacted by Mr. George Walker Bush, and now repealed by Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Its a step backward for the rights of the unborn.

Yes, it was in the first article posted by Rossid above.

"The ban has been a political football between Democratic and Republican administrations since GOP President Ronald Reagan first adopted it 1984. Democrat Bill Clinton ended the ban in 1993, but Republican George W. Bush re-instituted it in 2001 as one of his first acts in office."

What do the Democrats have against babies? Or is it that they think they don't have to take responsibility for their own mistakes? Just erase it & forget it.

[Evanescence]

I havnt read the full account and story but this doesnt look good at all. Its basically pandering tot he Pro-choicers who helped get in office....

I dont think it looks good at all..and was doen on the quiet also...

[VerbumReale]

What did the Republicans or the GWBA do to end abortion? In all the YEARS they were in power what did they do? Really! !


Well, you're right that former Pres Bush could have done more. But in addition to, as I pointed out earlier he did appoint some conservative judges which, if one more had been appointed, could have possibly led to the overturning of Roe V Wade, which wouldn't have outlawed abortion but simply put it to the states. But it would have no doubt reduced the number. Plus let's not forget, the policy that President Obama reversed was one that was put in place by former Pres Bush. So clearly some steps were taken. But to end abortion is going to take a lot more than a president and a lot more than overturning a bad law.

[cheewiee]

What did the Republicans or the GWBA do to end abortion? In all the YEARS they were in power what did they do? Really! I am as sad as anyone about the decision to fund abortions in other countries with MY TAX dollars. In fact I am against funding anything on the Federal level with my Federal Income Tax dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did George Bush, and the republican Congress do?

They inacted a Partial Birth Abortion Ban, for starters....

[HumanityisSaved]

What did George Bush, and the republican Congress do?

They inacted a Partial Birth Abortion Ban, for starters....

Okay sorry my bad I forgot about that one... and stop making faces at us :)

[Evanescence]

What did George Bush, and the republican Congress do?

They inacted a Partial Birth Abortion Ban, for starters....

One of the only good things he did..

[HumanityisSaved]

One of the only good things he did..

He cut taxes- that is ALWAYS GOOD... now if he'd bulldozed every 4th building in Washington that would have been better.

[Howlin' Wolf]

Yes, I agree. I also believe that the blood of every baby killed because of this will be on the hands of Obama and everyone who voted for him.

I think that's a strange kind of thing to say, does that mean that every person who voted for Mr Bush are responsible for every bad thing that he did or was part of? :confused: :confused:

Shonsu, get a grip on reality.
If you voted for Bush, the blood of every dead Iraqi is on your hands.

See how stupid it sounds?

[freakysoccer]

besides the horrible fact that taxpayer dollars will go to these organizations it's more government spending...and i'm sure that will help the current economic crisis...:rolleyes:

[cheewiee]

One of the only good things he did..

1. Enacted the Mexico City Ban. In effect this ban kept US tax dollars from being spent on abortions in foreign nations....

2. Enacted a partial birth abortion ban

3. Nominated 2 jurists to the Supreme Court who take a strict contructionst view of the constitution

4. Reduced taxes in 2001, which prevented the US from going into recession after 9-11.

5. Enacted a Senior Drug Program, where none existed before.

6. Enacted education reform with No Child Left behind.

Just to name a few...

[Buttabean]

6. Enacted education reform with No Child Left behind.

Just to name a few...


HIJACK

Don't even say that NCLB is a step in the right direction towards improving education. It's not. Ask any teacher (or future teacher, in my case) about their feelings toward NCLB and you will come to realize it is a joke. Instead of creating higher standards, NCLB has forced schools to lower standards to ensure the passing of many students. How does that benefit them?

/ HIJACK

[HumanityisSaved]

HIJACK

Don't even say that NCLB is a step in the right direction towards improving education. It's not. Ask any teacher (or future teacher, in my case) about their feelings toward NCLB and you will come to realize it is a joke. Instead of creating higher standards, NCLB has forced schools to lower standards to ensure the passing of many students. How does that benefit them?

/ HIJACK

My Aunt, and cousin are both teachers and they agree that when schools jsut care about the money they end up teaching to the test. I say forget testing the students at the end ofthe year and test the teachers if they fail to meet the Standards two years in a row FIRE THEM!

[Evanescence]

Those involved with INITIALIZING the Roe vs Wade law will pay the price in the next life....

If you're gonna spin this "blood of babies is on Obama etc etc..."...then make it a TRUE spin...

Our tax payer dollars go for some abortions...so that also means YOU....YOU are guilty. Because you pay taxes?

How about the goods you buy from China? How about the abortions in China?

See how easy it is to spin? But at least be consistent....

[Tribal]

One of the only good things he did..

http://www.norsorpor.com/%e0%b8%82%e0%b9%88%e0%b8% b2%e0%b8%a7/n1174493/Iraq%20s%20PM%20sees%20st rong%20turnout%20in%20lan dmark%20election

[Evanescence]

Sorry tribal..it means NOTHING when its forced. Democracy forced on a nation is not democracy..and the blood of the THOUSANDS of people we killed has to be accounted for.

We went there for all the wrong reasons....

[HumanityisSaved]

Sorry tribal..it means NOTHING when its forced. Democracy forced on a nation is not democracy..and the blood of the THOUSANDS of people we killed has to be accounted for.

We went there for all the wrong reasons....

Preachin' to the Choir here! Iraq was illegal based on the Constitution. Go RON PAUL!

[Howlin' Wolf]

The beloved Israel, which both parties will continue to pander to, has a rule that female soldiers get the first 2 abortions on the government. Guess where Israel's military funding comes from?


and his crusade to spread democracy to the middle east was such a sham. Iraq was and is forced and the candidates are puppets that the coalition are putting into power. In Lebanon, free elections came and Syria was thrown out of Beirut. Lebanon was hailed as our democratic ally until Israel decided to level their entire infrastructure. Then open elections came to Gaza, where Gazans elected Hamas over America's choice of Fatah.

Just a small glimpse of Bush's hypocrisy.

[Tribal]

Sorry tribal..it means NOTHING when its forced. Democracy forced on a nation is not democracy..and the blood of the THOUSANDS of people we killed has to be accounted for.

We went there for all the wrong reasons....

I imagine it means SOMETHING to the average Iraqi citizen. We'll see in a few years.

I see the birth pains of democracy for Iraq, millions of Afghani women freed, schools being built, etc.

We all sit back here as armchair quarterbacks. I bet if we were to go over there & chat with the local population, we'd get a different perspective.

[Howlin' Wolf]

. I bet if we were to go over there & chat with the local population, we'd get a different perspective.

been there. done that.

[Tribal]

been there. done that.

And ??

Opinions ??

[Howlin' Wolf]

While most Iraqis are glad that Saddam is gone, the destabilization of Iraq has caused many to renounce the American presence and view it as nothing short of imperialistic. They live in fear of militias. They do not trust the US nor the government that we have installed. The sunnis are afraid that the shi'ites will take over and persecute them. The shi'ites are afraid that the Sunnis will gain power and continue Saddam's persecution of them. The Kurds are afraid that they will get left out of the bigger picture and lose their stake in the country's government. They also fear escalating matters with Turkey. The christians fear that any group that takes power will institue sharia law. And while they hope for stability and freedom, Arabs in general, are fatalists and feel that despite having the perks of western freedom, like internet access, things are much worse for them and we are the cause of their problems.

my opinion: Saddam was a piece of garbage that needed to go. Nevermind the fact that Bush fought this war to appease Israel in hopes they would make peace with the Palestinians and I'm sure the oil and finishing up what his dad couldnt do also played a role in his decision.

[Pouye]

While most Iraqis are glad that Saddam is gone, the destabilization of Iraq has caused many to renounce the American presence and view it as nothing short of imperialistic. They live in fear of militias. They do not trust the US nor the government that we have installed. The sunnis are afraid that the shi'ites will take over and persecute them. The shi'ites are afraid that the Sunnis will gain power and continue Saddam's persecution of them. The Kurds are afraid that they will get left out of the bigger picture and lose their stake in the country's government. They also fear escalating matters with Turkey. The christians fear that any group that takes power will institue sharia law. And while they hope for stability and freedom, Arabs in general, are fatalists and feel that despite having the perks of western freedom, like internet access, things are much worse for them and we are the cause of their problems.

my opinion: Saddam was a piece of garbage that needed to go. Nevermind the fact that Bush fought this war to appease Israel in hopes they would make peace with the Palestinians and I'm sure the oil and finishing up what his dad couldnt do also played a role in his decision.

There is a lot of truth in this. However, not everyone is afraid or fatalistic. I've also talked with people on the ground over there. There are a lot more things going on, which is mostly (as you pointed out above) about the internal workings of power in the Islamic world. Also, you refuse to point out that many of the attacks by Israel were provoked, including the SCUD missile attack that started the Gulf War, the rocket attacks by Lebanon's Hezbollah, and the continual shelling and suicide bomber attacks that affect Israelis on their soil.

I'm the first one to admit that the fight is two-sided. I'm not saying that Israel has done no wrong, but they are in a war -- and that war is a war of survival. With most of the Islamic world united against them, they have the right to defend themselves. If the Islamic world wants to continue to fight them, then they better be able to defend themselves, too. You make it sound so one-sided, but the fact is, the Jews are the minority and the ones with the most to lose.

Rock