Rush Limbaugh

[Jesuslove]

Today Rush Limbaugh said on his show that he hopes Barack Obama fails. This type of attitude disguists me. We're Americans first. We should all be hoping and praying for Obama, and our nation's success. As much as I have disagreed with GWB, I would never wish for his demise or failure. Rush should be tried for treason.

[in hiding]

Rush can say what he wants for the most part b/c of free speech. If they tried him for treason I'd be more scared b/c THAT would be a massive stripping of personal liberties and freedom. I agree it's tacky but it's accomplishing exactly what Rush wants...people are talking about him.

[cheewiee]

Today Rush Limbaugh said on his show that he hopes Barack Obama fails. This type of attitude disguists me. We're Americans first. We should all be hoping and praying for Obama, and our nation's success. As much as I have disagreed with GWB, I would never wish for his demise or failure. Rush should be tried for treason.

Should burning the flag be illegal?

While I voted for McCain, I really hope and Pray that Obama is a great president....

[rossid]

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C115.txt

-HEAD-
Sec. 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

-STATUTE-
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or
teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or
the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession
thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by
force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any
such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any
such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates,
sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed
matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,
desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any
government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts
to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society,
group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the
overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or
violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any
such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes
thereof -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by
the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in
this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for
employment by the United States or any department or agency
thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize",
with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include
the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the
regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units
of such society, group, or assembly of persons.


I don't think so BUT this is a long statute.

[in hiding]

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C115.txt

-HEAD-
Sec. 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

-STATUTE-
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or
teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or
the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession
thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein,[/B] by
force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any
such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any
such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates,
sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed
matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,
desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any
government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts
to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society,
group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the
overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or
violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any
such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes
thereof -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by
the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in
this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for
employment by the United States or any department or agency
thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize",
with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include
the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the
regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units
of such society, group, or assembly of persons.


I don't think so BUT this is a long statute.

the statute deals with persons using or advocating using "force or violence" to harm america or overthrow it. saying you hope someone fails is not using force nor violence and is not advocating the use of force or violence. while it's still tacky for Rush to say it...there's nothing illegal or treasonous about it.

[VerbumReale]

Today Rush Limbaugh said on his show that he hopes Barack Obama fails. This type of attitude disguists me. We're Americans first. We should all be hoping and praying for Obama, and our nation's success. As much as I have disagreed with GWB, I would never wish for his demise or failure. Rush should be tried for treason.

Big surprise. Once again you take something completely out of context. He didn't say that he hopes that President Obama fails to be a good president, he said he hopes that he is not succesful at implementing some of his proposed changes because he believes that they could lead to a collective socialist state where we have a government depedent populous. He said he hopes President Obama is not succesful at closing Gitmo or instituting national health care or complete withdrawl of the troops from Iraq within 16 months, because he believes those would be detrimental to the welfare of the country.

There is nothing remotely treasonous about that. He doesn't agree with President Obama's plans (at least what little of them he has shared) and thinks that we would actually be worse off if they are fulfilled and so Rush said he hopes that President Obama is not succesful in fulfilling his plans. He never said that he hopes President Obama fails at making America better off for having had him as president.

[rich-in-grace]

Big surprise. Once again you take something completely out of context. He didn't say that he hopes that President Obama fails to be a good president, he said he hopes that he is not succesful at implementing some of his proposed changes because he believes that they could lead to a collective socialist state where we have a government depedent populous. He said he hopes President Obama is not succesful at closing Gitmo or instituting national health care or complete withdrawl of the troops from Iraq within 16 months, because he believes those would be detrimental to the welfare of the country.

There is nothing remotely treasonous about that. He doesn't agree with President Obama's plans (at least what little of them he has shared) and thinks that we would actually be worse off if they are fulfilled and so Rush said he hopes that President Obama is not succesful in fulfilling his plans. He never said that he hopes President Obama fails at making America better off for having had him as president.

I usually don't like political arguements. I leave that to my spouse. But there were times that I even prayed that Mr. Bush would fail because I believed what he was trying to do was wrong. I really hope President Obama fails in many of his promised agendas. I support him and pray for his judgement and integrity but I don't agree with him on socialism.

[HumanityisSaved]

I usually don't like political arguements. I leave that to my spouse. But there were times that I even prayed that Mr. Bush would fail because I believed what he was trying to do was wrong. I really hope President Obama fails in many of his promised agendas. I support him and pray for his judgement and integrity but I don't agree with him on socialism.

Are you kidding! You PRAYED that the president would fail?!? You should be tried for treason!

[Jesuslove]

I usually don't like political arguements. I leave that to my spouse. But there were times that I even prayed that Mr. Bush would fail because I believed what he was trying to do was wrong. I really hope President Obama fails in many of his promised agendas. I support him and pray for his judgement and integrity but I don't agree with him on socialism.

LOL. Obama is not socialist.

[HumanityisSaved]

LOL. Obama is not socialist.

Okay... anyone want to take this soft ball... and knock it out of the park. :D

[Jesuslove]

Okay... anyone want to take this soft ball... and knock it out of the park. :D

You in your infinite wisdom.....

Canada has had socialized medicine for years now, and their government isn't socialist. :(

[Valpo]

We're not Canada. Nor are we Europe. We are a country of over 300 million people that is rich in diversity and was founded upon Judeo-Christian values. Mind you, I did not say we are a Christian nation, I said Judeo-Christian values shaped the nation. It does not make sense to point at Canada whose population is nowhere near ours or Europe where their way of life is quite different than ours and say, "Let's be like them!"

Let's be like US! I say

I personally disagree with Rush I do not hope the president fails, but I do hope some of his policy initiatives do not come to pass.

[HumanityisSaved]

You in your infinite wisdom.....

Canada has had socialized medicine for years now, and their government isn't socialist. :(

Whutthe? If Canada has socialized medicine then their government is at least partly socialist. Socialized medicine is socialism. President Obama may not BE a socialist but he sure has a lot of socialism reflected in his ideas. Socialized medicine, spreading the wealth around i.e. taking yours and giving it to me.

Just like GWB was engaging is socialism at the end by attempting Nationalize banks and industry which by the way President Obama wants to continue.

I also am disappointed that President Obama wants to leave the warrantless wiretap program in place. Hey JL what about the US Constitution? Do you think the govt should abide by it?

[Pouye]

You in your infinite wisdom.....

Canada has had socialized medicine for years now, and their government isn't socialist. :(

Technically they are a Monarchy.

Canada is capitalist, with socialist elements. So is the U.S. by the way, though Canada has more socialist aspects than the USA does.

No country is "pure" Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc. But there are governments who tend to be more Capitalistic, Socialistic, etc. in the way they do things. Labeling doesn't help, since every government is on a continuum when it comes to how they operate. For instance, the USA has a partially socialized medical system in place. Canada's medical system is more fully socialized.

Interestingly, Since 1970, Hong Kong has ranked as the world's freest economy. Most of the public industries/services are partially privately owned, and income tax is a flat 16%.

Rock

[VerbumReale]

I find it interesting that JL still posts on this thread while completely ignoring the fact that his charges that Rush Limbaugh's comments constituted treason have been exposed as being absurd and ridiculous.

If Rush Limbaugh's comments constituted treason than so do any remarks expressing any sort of disagreement over any government proposed changes.

I am also wondering what the fact the JL never hoped for former President Bush's demise has to do with anything. Seriously, not even somebody listening to Limbaugh's remarks with the most radically leftist-leaning bias could even come close to interpreting Limbaugh's remarks as hoping for President Obama's demise.

[Jesuslove]

I am also wondering what the fact the JL never hoped for former President Bush's demise has to do with anything. Seriously, not even somebody listening to Limbaugh's remarks with the most radically leftist-leaning bias could even come close to interpreting Limbaugh's remarks as hoping for President Obama's demise.

I never wished GWB's demise. That's bearing false witness. I disagreed with his policies, but i never wished GWB anything but success. Unfortunately, he failed.

[HumanityisSaved]

I never wished GWB's demise. That's bearing false witness. I disagreed with his policies, but i never wished GWB anything but success. Unfortunately, he failed.


I totally agree. It's time as Christians to rise up and force this man out of office. I truly believe the majority of Christians and the majority of Republicans see the same thing, but are either too proud, or too ashamed to admit it.

You have ran up our national debt beyond anything we as Americans could ever pay back. You have ruined this great nation of ours, and divided our country on social issues. Meanwhile, the rich keep getting richer! I say, send him to jail!

*waiting for the spin*:D

[Jesuslove]

*waiting for the spin*:D

Oh don't get me wrong.. I still think he should be in jail for war crimes. And I'm angry at many things he did. But while he was our President, I wanted nothing but America's success. That never changed.

Unlike you, I'm not married to one political party.

[HumanityisSaved]

Oh don't get me wrong.. I still think he should be in jail for war crimes. And I'm angry at many things he did. But while he was our President, I wanted nothing but America's success. That never changed.

Unlike you, I'm not married to one political party.

I am not a republican... far from it. I am WAY too conservative to be called a republican.

President Bush was president when you wished him to be "run out of office" and he was president when you wanted him in jail. How is that wishing him nothing but success. Have you ever tiled a floor? Did you start grouting at the door and work your way back to the corner? When one "paints oneself into a corner" the only thing to do is take one's medicine, get paint all over oneself, and try and learn from that mistake.

[VerbumReale]

I never wished GWB's demise. That's bearing false witness. I disagreed with his policies, but i never wished GWB anything but success. Unfortunately, he failed.

Read my post!!! I never accused you of wishing GWB's demise. Quite to the contrary I acknowledged that you said that you never wished GWB's demise. That would mean you are the one bearing false witness.

I just didn't understand what your not wishing GWB's demise had to do with what Rush said.

Of course now that I have exposed you as the one bearing false witness, I expect that you will ignore this.

[VerbumReale]

Unlike you, I'm not married to one political party.

There is nothing on here to indicate that HS is "married to one political party" and yet here you are publically claiming he is. Hmmmm, some might call that bearing false witness.

[Jesuslove]

There is nothing on here to indicate that HS is "married to one political party" and yet here you are publically claiming he is. Hmmmm, some might call that bearing false witness.

Steve, lighten up. Obama's been president 3 days. Let's be at peace. My best to your son!

[VerbumReale]

Steve, lighten up. Obama's been president 3 days. Let's be at peace. My best to your son!


Like I said. I knew you would ignore it, and hence avoid at all costs admitting that you were wrong accusing me of bearing false witness.

[Jesuslove]

Like I said. I knew you would ignore it, and hence avoid at all costs admitting that you were wrong accusing me of bearing false witness.

No frankly Steve, I'm tired or arguing in circles with you. It takes way too much energy. But thanks anyway!

[VerbumReale]

No frankly Steve, I'm tired or arguing in circles with you. It takes way too much energy. But thanks anyway!


Whatever excuse you want to come up with to avoid admitting that you were wrong. Amazing. This has nothing to do with arguing in circles and you know it. You love calling other people out for what you perceive to be their errors, but when your errors are exposed, rather than just manning up and admitting it, you come up with some lame rationale about how you are tired of arguing in circles.

Do you really think you're fooling anyone??

[phil_ur_friend]

Is there any room left here for me to get upset and bothered?
Wait everyone!

I'm going to go ahead and be wrong here. :D ;)

[NotMyOwn]

This type of attitude disguists me.

Why would it disgust you? Because he isn't part of the slobbering over Obama love affair this nation has?

[Jesuslove]

Why would it disgust you? Because he isn't part of the slobbering over Obama love affair this nation has?

Because we should wish our president every success. We can disagree with policies, but we should never wish the failure of our nation. It's sad to me that so many like yourself are still bitter about the outcome of the election. Get over it!

[HumanityisSaved]

Because we should wish our president every success. We can disagree with policies, but we should never wish the failure of our nation. It's sad to me that so many like yourself are still bitter about the outcome of the election. Get over it!

Again, Rush did not wish for President Barack Hussein Obama to be a failure as a president or that America would fail. He wished for the continuation of George Walker Bush's liberalism to fail to be perpetuated by President Barack Hussein Obama. No matter how it is spun you cannot honestly say Limbaugh wished for America to fail or for President Barack Hussein Obam to fail as a president only that he'd fail to pass the Freedom of Choice Act, fail to put us another 1.2-2 Trillion in debt, fail to give tax dollars to A.C.O.R.N., fail to continue the George Walker Bush weakening of our military readiness, fail to nationalize industry and banking in the U.S.A. There are a host of areas in which I personally hope President Barack Hussein Obama fails, is not successful, is stalled, does not get his way, or whatever you want to call it.

Why would any conservative be concerned about the outcome of the general election? Conservatism was not even on the ballot!

[HumanityisSaved]

Because we should wish our president every success.
Did you wish for President George Walker Bush to succeed in taking us into Iraq? Did you wish him success in cutting taxes for the rich? Did you wish him success when he gave 750 billion dollars to institutions who'd proved that they were not able to conduct business in a way that would generate profit and not the need for handouts?

I see what Rush was saying. I understand what he meant. I cannot in all honesty spin it to make it mean something it did not. He wants liberalism to fail.


So do I. And if President Barack Hussein Obama is pushing liberalism, if he wants to take more of my money and give to others who do not work I hope he fails at it.

[Jesuslove]

Did you wish for President George Walker Bush to succeed in taking us into Iraq?

I wished our troops success, but I did not support the war. The war was wrong and immoral, as was our torture of prisoners.

Did you wish him success in cutting taxes for the rich? Did you wish him success when he gave 750 billion dollars to institutions who'd proved that they were not able to conduct business in a way that would generate profit and not the need for handouts?

I see what Rush was saying. I understand what he meant. I cannot in all honesty spin it to make it mean something it did not. He wants liberalism to fail.


So do I. And if President Barack Hussein Obama is pushing liberalism, if he wants to take more of my money and give to others who do not work I hope he fails at it.

I wish Bush was successful in many things. Unfortunately he was not. That doesn't mean I don't love America.

Liberalism will succeed in America. This is just the beginning. The right wing better get used to it. It will be a long long time before another "CON-servative" is in the White House again.

I can't believe so many here are bitter that we have a liberal in office!

[Jesuslove]

Why would any conservative be concerned about the outcome of the general election? Conservatism was not even on the ballot![/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]

Fortunately, conservatism is dying a fast death in America!! God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!

[Valpo]

conservatism is not dying a fast death JL. Moderate my behind

The people voted for Obama because he was NOT Republican and NOT Bush. It is quite simple. In addition to that, the credit crisis came to a head at the worst time possible for the Republican ticket. This country is still center-right and if and when the Democrats try over stepping their boundaries they will be put in their place and voted out of office. I see a divided government in the near future.

[Jesuslove]

conservatism is not dying a fast death JL. Moderate my behind

The people voted for Obama because he was NOT Republican and NOT Bush. It is quite simple. In addition to that, the credit crisis came to a head at the worst time possible for the Republican ticket. This country is still center-right and if and when the Democrats try over stepping their boundaries they will be put in their place and voted out of office. I see a divided government in the near future.

Don't be a hater Vali. I am a moderate, but the reality is conservatism is dying in America. A blind man could see that.

Center right? That's laughable. Congress is now Democrat... both the House and Senate.

[Valpo]

you're about as moderate as rush limbaugh is

no moderate would cheer liberalism and say yay conservatism is dying!!!!

states vote out any alteration of the definition of marriage, and in loud numbers, even california voted to keep marriage defined as between man and woman. Congress and the White House are Democrats because of Republican stupidity. But, oh brain with very short term memory, in 2004 James Carville was sitting on what may have been CNN i forget congratulating the Republicans for cleaning up and wondering where the Democratic Party could go from there. The Democrats had their clocks cleaned in 2004. And yet they won big in 08. Are you really suggesting that even though Republicans had the White House for eight years and congress since 1994 that over night the country swung center-left?

Get a clue man, and stop parading around trying to be moderate, you're a liberal. I love liberals to death, many friends and family members are liberal. But they don't hide behind being "moderates." That's a joke man.

[HumanityisSaved]

I wished our troops success, but I did not support the war. The war was wrong and immoral, as was our torture of prisoners.



I wish Bush was successful in many things. Unfortunately he was not. That doesn't mean I don't love America.

Liberalism will succeed in America. This is just the beginning. The right wing better get used to it. It will be a long long time before another "CON-servative" is in the White House again.

I can't believe so many here are bitter that we have a liberal in office!

Hey can you tell me in a yes or no fashion- did you wish for George Walker Bush to succeed in taking us into Iraq? Just that one area did you wish for him to succeed in taking the United States of America into war with Iraq?

[Jesuslove]

you're about as moderate as rush limbaugh is

no moderate would cheer liberalism and say yay conservatism is dying!!!!

Says who? Sorry to bust your myth, but you're not God.
I don't personally believe in either extreme. I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. I tend to find the middle ground.

Get a clue man, and stop parading around trying to be moderate, you're a liberal. I love liberals to death, many friends and family members are liberal. But they don't hide behind being "moderates." That's a joke man.
Stop trying to paint everyone in a box dude. Really.... who are you to define how people are supposed to think.

[Jesuslove]

Hey can you tell me in a yes or no fashion- did you wish for George Walker Bush to succeed in taking us into Iraq? m Just that one area did you wish for him to succeed in taking the United States of America into war with Iraq?

I did not support the war from Day 1. That doesn't mean I didn't wish every success for the American troops and I prayed and prayed that Bush would do the right thing. So yes, I supported Bush. I prayed for him a lot. I prayed that he would do the right thing...


So since you supported the war, did you support the torture methods used? Do they mesh with your Christian theology?

[mcgreen311]

Says who? Sorry to bust your myth, but you're not God.
I don't personally believe in either extreme. I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. I tend to find the middle ground.


I can understand where someone might get that idea, though, when you say:

Fortunately, conservatism is dying a fast death in America!!

I wouldn't know how else to take this. If you're conservative on some issues, how can you be happy that it dies a fast death?

And as an aside to the thread in general, I don't really think our country has been all that conservative lately anyway.

[HumanityisSaved]

I did not support the war from Day 1. That doesn't mean I didn't wish every success for the American troops and I prayed and prayed that Bush would do the right thing. So yes, I supported Bush. I prayed for him a lot. I prayed that he would do the right thing...

So you did hope George Walker Bush, while he was our president, would fail to take us to war in Iraq.

So since you supported the war, did you support the torture methods used? Do they mesh with your Christian theology?

And there you go assuming again. I did not support the war in Iraq. If I had my way American troops would come home from every base in the world and be stationed on our Northern and Southern borders.

[Valpo]

Never assumed or claimed myself to be God in the slightest, thanks for hysterically reading into my post.

I'm not trying to erroneously paint someone or "people" into a box. You have made several public declarations here online that lead many to believe you are a liberal. But since you know the "L" word has a negative connotation you hide behind this moniker of being a "moderate." You're not a moderate, it's as simple as that. And that's okay! Nobody said you have to be conservative. I'm saying quit hiding behind a label that makes you seem like you're some middle voice of reason and embrace your liberal ideology. That's perfectly fine. Be proud of what you are.

[Pouye]

Did you wish for President George Walker Bush to succeed in taking us into Iraq? Did you wish him success in cutting taxes for the rich? Did you wish him success when he gave 750 billion dollars to institutions who'd proved that they were not able to conduct business in a way that would generate profit and not the need for handouts?

I see what Rush was saying. I understand what he meant. I cannot in all honesty spin it to make it mean something it did not. He wants liberalism to fail.


So do I. And if President Barack Hussein Obama is pushing liberalism, if he wants to take more of my money and give to others who do not work I hope he fails at it.

We are definitely on the same page about this. I don't want the government running everything. I'm very conservative, believe in privatization, and I'm actually very Libertarian in many ways. I believe in limited government and support ideas based on freedom and choice. I don't want to live in Russia, nor do I like a Russian-style government (which is where the USA is heading, and where the UK is almost at -- with the government controlling over 60 % of everything).

Rock

[Jesuslove]

Never assumed or claimed myself to be God in the slightest, thanks for hysterically reading into my post.

I'm not trying to erroneously paint someone or "people" into a box. You have made several public declarations here online that lead many to believe you are a liberal. But since you know the "L" word has a negative connotation you hide behind this moniker of being a "moderate." You're not a moderate, it's as simple as that. And that's okay! Nobody said you have to be conservative. I'm saying quit hiding behind a label that makes you seem like you're some middle voice of reason and embrace your liberal ideology. That's perfectly fine. Be proud of what you are.

why is it so difficult for you to wrap your mind around the fact I'm a moderate. I wish conservatism were dead. I wish extreme liberalism wre dead. I seek the middle ground. I lean one way on some issues and the other way on other issues.

[Jesuslove]

So you did hope George Walker Bush, while he was our president, would fail to take us to war in Iraq.



And there you go assuming again. I did not support the war in Iraq. If I had my way American troops would come home from every base in the world and be stationed on our Northern and Southern borders.

there's a big difference. Just cause I didn't support the war, didn't mean I wanted GWB to fail. I wanted him to succeed, but he let me down... Let's face it, he let down about 3/4 of America based on his approval rating.

[HumanityisSaved]

there's a big difference. Just cause I didn't support the war, didn't mean I wanted GWB to fail. I wanted him to succeed, but he let me down... .
Wait you mean you did not support going to war but you hoped George Walker Bush would succeed in taking us to war? I asked if you wanted him to succeed in TAKING US TO WAR, not if you wanted him to succeed after he took us to war.

No if you were against the war from the beginning then it is disingenuous to say you did not wish for him to fail to take us to war unless you wanted him to succeed in taking us to war so he'd self-destruct.

You answered the question and your answer was YES you wanted George Walker Bush to fail to take us to war.

You made the point for Rush Limbaugh. Just because Rush wants President Barack Hussein Obama to fail at his liberal agendas does not mean he does not respect and support the office of president and our president in his conservative moves.

Let's face it, he let down about 3/4 of America based on his approval rating. yes he almost beat Truman's low of 22% and the liberal controlled congress' low of 10%

[Jesuslove]

yes he almost beat Truman's low of 22% and the liberal controlled congress' low of 10%

hmmmm... congress has a 10% approval rating, yet they won how many seats during the November election?

[HumanityisSaved]

hmmmm... congress has a 10% approval rating, yet they won how many seats during the November election?

not sure it was a lot. I personally am glad the libbies have a majority in the House, Senate, and hold the Presidency.

[Evanescence]

Rush...IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HumanityisSaved]

Rush...IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well he's smart enough to have made millions in his business without even finishing college. hmmmm..... he must be a fairly clever fellow.

I'd say the people who can't turn a profit and instead run their companies into the ground are the id-10-t's.

[danbos]

Well he's smart enough to have made millions in his business without even finishing college. hmmmm..... he must be a fairly clever fellow.

I'd say the people who can't turn a profit and instead run their companies into the ground are the id-10-t's.

Welll...Al Gore is a millionaire too, but that doesn't mean he's smart....he just takes advantage of people.

[Evanescence]

Rush is a political slug..

[HumanityisSaved]

Rush is a political slug..

Is there anything about him you DON'T like? :cool:

And Al Gore IS smart he's just dishonest.

[Pouye]

Is there anything about him you DON'T like? :cool:

And Al Gore IS smart he's just dishonest.

I'm not even sure where to draw the line about honesty and dishonesty when it comes to these influential figures. At times I wonder if they are just self-deceived or truly dishonest. In other words, they justify their dishonesty because the end justifies the means. Or maybe they just believe the means are honest (by wanting to believe it so badly). I don't know.

Many times with politics (as in war), the end is to get the "right" (read: wanted) people into the "game". Using smearing and below-the-belt tactics to do so is "justified" as long as the end result is for the "greater good". A little self-deception goes a long way to push an agenda -- and even if the self-deceived person does end up recognizing their deception, they will still often justify it because it achieved the goal.

An example would be if it turns out global warming isn't really caused by human intervention at all, but is actually part of a natural, cyclical pattern. But if guilting and scaring everyone into recycling and living greener and cleaner achieves good results (a less polluted world) then the good ends justifies the means (whether they were dishonest or based in self-deception).

Rock