Thank you President Bush..

[rossid]

..for your honorable service to this county the last eight years.

God bless.

:)

[VerbumReale]

Wait for it, wait for it.....

[danbos]

Wait for it, wait for it.....

I am. ;)

[Jesuslove]

..for your honorable service to this county the last eight years.

God bless.

:)

Good riddens! Thank the Lord this buffoon is gone!

[Valpo]

Good riddens! Thank the Lord this buffoon is gone!

riddens? It's riddance, and that's about as classless as the people booing him were yesterday. You won, it's over, behave like an adult.

[rossid]

Good riddens! Thank the Lord this buffoon is gone!


Wait for it...

...and there it is!!!

01.17.13 or 01.24.13. Which date will Barack H. Obama be out?

[Jesuslove]

riddens? It's riddance, and that's about as classless as the people booing him were yesterday. You won, it's over, behave like an adult.

You get my point. The masses spoke, thus we have a new day in America.

I am behaving like an adult. don't be a sore loser.

[Jesuslove]

Wait for it...

...and there it is!!!

01.17.09 or 01.24.09. Which date will Barack H. Obama be out?

this makes no sense. 1/17/09 is the past. 1/24/09 sounds like a threat to me.

[Shonsu]

You get my point. The masses spoke, thus we have a new day in America.


A new day but not necessarily a better day. Especially for the millions more babies that will be murdered because of policies that he is going to change or put in place. Especially not for our society whose downward moral spiral will be accelerated because of his "acceptance" of the homosexual lifestyle and the "change" that he will enact because of it.

[Pouye]

don't be a sore loser.

The pot calling the kettle black... a gloating winner is a poor sport.

Rock

[HumanityisSaved]

I am behaving like an adult. :eek:

name calling is not an adult behavior... sorry no matter how you slice it or spin it.

[VerbumReale]

Good riddens! Thank the Lord this buffoon is gone!

Predictable as ever JL!!! Good to see we can always count on some things.

[Jesuslove]

A new day but not necessarily a better day. Especially for the millions more babies that will be murdered because of policies that he is going to change or put in place. Especially not for our society whose downward moral spiral will be accelerated because of his "acceptance" of the homosexual lifestyle and the "change" that he will enact because of it.

there has been no change in the abortion laws. they are the same as under GWB. And acceptance of someone's lifestyle doesn't cause others to join that lifestyle.

[rossid]

this makes no sense. 1/17/09 is the past. 1/24/09 sounds like a threat to me.

Now it does...

[Jesuslove]

Now it does...

huh? neither. First of all, the inauguration always falls on January 20... so if I had to guess his exit date, I'd say, January 20, 2017.

[VerbumReale]

huh? neither. First of all, the inauguration always falls on January 20... so if I had to guess his exit date, I'd say, January 20, 2017.

He's barely been in office 24 hours and you're already re-electing him. No, no blind devotion there. :rolleyes:

[Jesuslove]

He's barely been in office 24 hours and you're already re-electing him. No, no blind devotion there. :rolleyes:

yep, I'm confident he'll do what he's been elected to do. Obama will change America for the better.

I love when pastors roll their eyes at me. It usually means I'm right.

[Gaudete]

You know what, JL? I hope you're right. Because I love my country, I hope you're right. I'm willing to give the guy a chance. But if it comes down like a house of cards, please don't start throwing blame around. You're so convinced that one person can change everything that's wrong with this country. So if it doesn't turn out so well, you won't have to look very far.

[Jesuslove]

You know what, JL? I hope you're right. Because I love my country, I hope you're right. I'm willing to give the guy a chance. But if it comes down like a house of cards, please don't start throwing blame around. You're so convinced that one person can change everything that's wrong with this country. So if it doesn't turn out so well, you won't have to look very far.

Look Guadette, the last 8 years have put us in a very bad place. I'm hoping we can dig out. We ALL need to stand by our President and do everything possible to get America back on track. I never said Barack Obama is God. He has surrounded himself with many qualified people. He's a leader and a listener, unlike the Bush Administration who took a "my way or the highway" approach to foreign relations. For all our sakes, we all need to pray and support our President.

[Valpo]

You get my point. The masses spoke, thus we have a new day in America.

I am behaving like an adult. don't be a sore loser.

So me telling you to not shout "good riddens" on an online forum at the former president and then calling it as classless as those who booed him at the inauguration yesterday is poor sportsmanship on my part? Right.

I welcome President Obama, and loved just about every moment of the process yesterday, save the juvenile behavior of "sore winners." But right, I'm a sore loser.

[Shonsu]

there has been no change in the abortion laws. they are the same as under GWB. And acceptance of someone's lifestyle doesn't cause others to join that lifestyle.


Of course there hasn't been a change.... YET. I suggest you go read exactly what Obama's agenda is here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/women/, especially the part about stem cell research and "Reproductive Choice".

Acceptance by the government means that it will soon pervade every corner of society including in the classroom, where children will be taught that it is OK to pursue that lifestyle.

[rossid]

huh? neither. First of all, the inauguration always falls on January 20... so if I had to guess his exit date, I'd say, January 20, 2017.


Well then 01.20.13 it is!!!

THANKS!!!

:D

[SueQ]

Acceptance by the government means that it will soon pervade every corner of society including in the classroom, where children will be taught that it is OK to pursue that lifestyle.

I've already seen this beginning to be set up in public education.

[Jesuslove]

I've already seen this beginning to be set up in public education.

WOW! After one day? Obama can change things fast!

[Jesuslove]

Of course there hasn't been a change.... YET. I suggest you go read exactly what Obama's agenda is here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/women/, especially the part about stem cell research and "Reproductive Choice".

Acceptance by the government means that it will soon pervade every corner of society including in the classroom, where children will be taught that it is OK to pursue that lifestyle.

Abortion is never an easy decision. It should never be used as a form of birth control. Stem cell research is a bit more complicated. If stem cells can be made without the formation of a fetus, I support it. I have family that suffer from a disease that could be cured through stem cell research. Unless you have family member's lives on the line, I think it is difficult for some to understand.

Lets face it though, I suspect abortion rates will decrease over the 4, likely 8 Obama years.

[VerbumReale]

I love when pastors roll their eyes at me. It usually means I'm right.



So by connotation if you are right then I must be wrong. But by saying "yep" you just conceded that I was right, so actually it is more like I was right and you simply confirmed it.

[Jesuslove]

So by connotation if you are right then I must be wrong. But by saying "yep" you just conceded that I was right, so actually it is more like I was right and you simply confirmed it.

Yes Steve that's it. You got me. My best to you and your son Steve.

[VerbumReale]

Yes Steve that's it. You got me. My best to you and your son Steve.


Same to you and you son. And incidentally I am really just having fun with you. Although I didn't vote for President Obama, I am cautiously optimistic about his presidency.

[rossid]

Sure abortions will decrease in the U.S. because now Obama has reinstitued funding to clinics that do abortions oversease. The U.S. may as well fund Chinese infanticide.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/21/obama-lift-ban-funding-groups-providing-abortions-overseas/

Abortions will not decrease in the U.S. Getting rid of Bush's abstinence funding = more pregnancies and more abortions.

[Shonsu]

Abortion is never an easy decision. It should never be used as a form of birth control. Stem cell research is a bit more complicated. If stem cells can be made without the formation of a fetus, I support it. I have family that suffer from a disease that could be cured through stem cell research. Unless you have family member's lives on the line, I think it is difficult for some to understand.

Lets face it though, I suspect abortion rates will decrease over the 4, likely 8 Obama years.


There is no decision to make when it comes to abortion. It's not an option as far as God is concerned, period. It is murder no matter what the circumstances are and no matter when during the pregnancy it is done.

I agree with you that if stem cells can be made without taking them from a "fetus" (I say baby) then it is ok. There has been some great progress in growing "adult stem cells" and I hope things continue to move in that direction.

[Jason]

WOW! After one day? Obama can change things fast!

SueQ didn't say Obama set it up.

[Jesuslove]

SueQ didn't say Obama set it up.

So it was GWB that set it up?

[Shonsu]

So it was GWB that set it up?

No, it is the reflection of this country's moral decline. Which, as I said, will accelerate under the leadership of a person who has no morals.

[Jesuslove]

No, it is the reflection of this country's moral decline. Which, as I said, will accelerate under the leadership of a person who has no morals.

I think our morals have improved as a nation over the last 40 years. It was just 40 years ago, police and federal authorities were turning water cannons on little black children trying to enter desegregated schools in the south. Racism isn't near as prevalent today as it was 40 years ago. The youth of today adhere to Christ's message of loving all people. Today's kids aren't judgemental like the youth (and adults) of 40 or 50 years ago. I think our collective morals as a nation, have improved.

[rossid]

Spin it however we like.

My take is adulterous relationships over marriage, outspoken homosexuality, and then let us not even go down the cesspool of humanism.

[Jesuslove]

Spin it however we like.

My take is adulterous relationships over marriage, outspoken homosexuality, and then let us not even go down the cesspool of humanism.

What do you mean by outspoken homosexuality? Do you mean in the old days, it was better for people to be forced to live in the closet and lead a secret life behind a spouse's back? If that's what you mean, I think honesty is the best policy. Better to be honest about one's sexuality than to mask it in a sham marriage or under the cloak of the religious life.

[Pouye]

What do you mean by outspoken homosexuality? Do you mean in the old days, it was better for people to be forced to live in the closet and lead a secret life behind a spouse's back? If that's what you mean, I think honesty is the best policy. Better to be honest about one's sexuality than to mask it in a sham marriage or under the cloak of the religious life.

You act as if things are better now. Actually, as far as family and sexuality things go, many things are far worse, especially for the children (since the sexual revolution). Below is a power point that you should read. I'm so disgusted by how our society has become so selfish that children are the ones forgotten or aborted. Their blood is on our heads as a nation.

http://www.cathmedphila.org/powerpoints/wilcox_contraception.ppt

Rock

[Jesuslove]

You act as if things are better now. Actually, as far as family and sexuality things go, many things are far worse, especially for the children (since the sexual revolution). Below is a power point that you should read. I'm so disgusted by how our society has become so selfish that children are the ones forgotten or aborted. Their blood is on our heads as a nation.

http://www.cathmedphila.org/powerpoints/wilcox_contraception.ppt

Rock

In some ways I think we are more moral than our past generations, and you point out some compelling arguments as to why we are less moral..

[HumanityisSaved]

In some ways I think we are more moral than our past generations, and you point out some compelling arguments as to why we are less moral..

I agree. Often we hear some in the evangelical movement (no offense to the evangelicals) say that the world is going to Helena Handbasket but look where we have come! In our short history as a nation we have come from slavery and treating women as possesions to having the first black supreme court Justice, 3 female Secretaries of State and now the crem-de-la-crem an African American president. We need to fight for the rights of the unborn relentlessly but amid that fight we dare not turn our back on the progress we have made as a nation.

[Jesuslove]

We need to fight for the rights of the unborn relentlessly but amid that fight we dare not turn our back on the progress we have made as a nation.

While I agree we need to fight for the unborn, I think we first have to come up with solutions to handle the child crisis in America. We have a million kids in foster care and 150,000 available for adoption that no one wants. We need to address caring for unwanted newborns first. Second, we need to teach adults (and teens) personal responsibility, including birth control. Third, we need to educate the heterosexual masses about child rearing. Something is terribly wrong with many parents in America.

[HumanityisSaved]

While I agree we need to fight for the unborn, I think we first have to come up with solutions to handle the child crisis in America. We have a million kids in foster care and 150,000 available for adoption that no one wants. We need to address caring for unwanted newborns first. Second, we need to teach adults (and teens) personal responsibility, including birth control. Third, we need to educate the heterosexual masses about child rearing. Something is terribly wrong with many parents in America.

If killing homeless people were legal would you say we should first solve the problem of homelessness before we worried about saving the lives of those homeless that are killed?

There will never be any viable justification for willfully killing a child before he or she is born.

[Jesuslove]

If killing homeless people were legal would you say we should first solve the problem of homelessness before we worried about saving the lives of those homeless that are killed?

There will never be any viable justification for willfully killing a child before he or she is born.

No, but you don't create a much bigger problem without solving the first problem. It really bothers me that evangelical Christians want to outlaw abortion, yet have no solution for this crisis, and few offer to adopt, those already in the system.

[HumanityisSaved]

No, but you don't create a much bigger problem without solving the first problem. It really bothers me that evangelical Christians want to outlaw abortion, yet have no solution for this crisis, and few offer to adopt, those already in the system.

yeah well I'm not an evangelical Christian and the solution to unwanted pregnancy is as old as mankind... if you aren't married and don't want babies keep your pants on. And PS giving children a shot at LIFE is not a problem.

[Genna14]

Few can AFFORD to adopt.

You know what your problem is JL? You're SO one sided and closed minded that you can't begin to fathom anyone else's point of view. If someone comes to you with a valid argument, you act very childish. Maybe you should sit down and ask the Lord to open your heart and really pray about it, and then reevaluate the arguments against you with a fresh and OPEN mind.

[Jesuslove]

Few can AFFORD to adopt.

You know what your problem is JL? You're SO one sided and closed minded that you can't begin to fathom anyone else's point of view. If someone comes to you with a valid argument, you act very childish. Maybe you should sit down and ask the Lord to open your heart and really pray about it, and then reevaluate the arguments against you with a fresh and OPEN mind.

Gehenna,
I am open to anyone's viewpiont. Funny you'd be the one casting stones. I'm debating a point. Maybe you should make your point or not say anything. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me; in fact I'm used to it. But don't call names and act childish and then not address my point. If you wanna debate, bring it on.

Adoption isn't that expensive. Where do you live? I'll match you up with a social services agency. The adoption may cost nothing. That's a pathetic excuse for not adopting.

[Jesuslove]

yeah well I'm not an evangelical Christian and the solution to unwanted pregnancy is as old as mankind... if you aren't married and don't want babies keep your pants on. And PS giving children a shot at LIFE is not a problem.

That seems so simple, yet so impractical. If only it were that easy..... So how do we handle all those unwanted pregnancies? How do we handle 1 million plus unwanted children born each year?

[HumanityisSaved]

That seems so simple, yet so impractical. If only it were that easy..... So how do we handle all those unwanted pregnancies? How do we handle 1 million plus unwanted children born each year?

I'm not sure that there is any simple solution. I don't have a simple for the homeless problem but I am convinced that rounding them up and killing them is not even considerable so I am confused as to how the extermination of innocent babies is.

[Jesuslove]

I'm not sure that there is any simple solution. I don't have a simple for the homeless problem but I am convinced that rounding them up and killing them is not even considerable so I am confused as to how the extermination of innocent babies is.

I never said it was. I simply stated that until we address a humanitarian crisis, we need to take some steps.. maybe offering birth control to those who would otherwise not be able to afford it. Maybe offer tax incentives to adoptive parents. Maybe ask every Christian adult family to take on a hard to place child.

[HumanityisSaved]

I never said it was. I simply stated that until we address a humanitarian crisis, we need to take some steps.. maybe offering birth control to those who would otherwise not be able to afford it. Maybe offer tax incentives to adoptive parents. Maybe ask every Christian adult family to take on a hard to place child.

I think that all would be great and in addition pull back many of the govt imposed costs and administrative nightmares associated with adoption.

My wife and I are actually planning for the adoption of an older child but we are waiting until our two toddlers are in that same age range.

[Shonsu]

No, but you don't create a much bigger problem without solving the first problem. It really bothers me that evangelical Christians want to outlaw abortion, yet have no solution for this crisis, and few offer to adopt, those already in the system.

Of course evangelical Christians have a solution for the crisis. It is the message that has been preached all along... follow Jesus. If everyone had Jesus in their heart there wouldn't be a crisis. Of course, no one wants to listen to that. That doesn't mean we should just give up the fight to save all of those babies because our failed human government can never come up with a solution to sin.

[Howlin' Wolf]

A new day but not necessarily a better day. Especially for the millions more babies that will be murdered because of policies that he is going to change or put in place. Especially not for our society whose downward moral spiral will be accelerated because of his "acceptance" of the homosexual lifestyle and the "change" that he will enact because of it.


oh brother

[in hiding]

Of course evangelical Christians have a solution for the crisis. It is the message that has been preached all along... follow Jesus. If everyone had Jesus in their heart there wouldn't be a crisis. Of course, no one wants to listen to that. That doesn't mean we should just give up the fight to save all of those babies because our failed human government can never come up with a solution to sin.

while your answer is true, it's not representative of real life. Even in Christian circles, there are unwanted / teen pregnancies and those people have Jesus in their heart. People are flawed and even the "best" make mistakes or (at the time) poor choices. I'm very pro-life, but the sunday school answers that we as christians often offer up to difficult questions often times don't do anything to solve a problem or work towards a solution. We DO need to be preaching Jesus, we DO need to show Jesus's love to people, and we need to figure out how to deal with the reality that there will always be unwanted babies, unprepared mothers/fathers.

[Shonsu]

while your answer is true, it's not representative of real life. Even in Christian circles, there are unwanted / teen pregnancies and those people have Jesus in their heart. People are flawed and even the "best" make mistakes or (at the time) poor choices. I'm very pro-life, but the sunday school answers that we as christians often offer up to difficult questions often times don't do anything to solve a problem or work towards a solution. We DO need to be preaching Jesus, we DO need to show Jesus's love to people, and we need to figure out how to deal with the reality that there will always be unwanted babies, unprepared mothers/fathers.


I agree, we can't stop people's immorality (that was the point of my post, sorry I didn't make that clearer). So do we just hold off trying to do something about abortion just because the result would be more unwanted babies?

[Jesuslove]

I agree, we can't stop people's immorality (that was the point of my post, sorry I didn't make that clearer). So do we just hold off trying to do something about abortion just because the result would be more unwanted babies?

No, we work on multiple levels to try to reduce unwanted pregnancies. We need to strongly encourage, and make available many forms of birth control. We need to educate youth about the life costs of early pregnancies. I am very much against abortion. My only criticism of the Christian community is that many individuals criticize pro-lifers, but aren't willing to step up and adopt a child.

[freakysoccer]

bush was pretty good president, he stood up for our country in it's darkest hour of 9/11. and he's a vetran he diserves our upmost respect whether or not we agreed with his policies...obmab hasn't had a chance yet to prove how good or bad of a leader he'll be...so instead of all being immature and arguing lets at least give the guy a chance...

[in hiding]

I agree, we can't stop people's immorality (that was the point of my post, sorry I didn't make that clearer). So do we just hold off trying to do something about abortion just because the result would be more unwanted babies?

no, we should always try to do something about abortion to decrease the numbers. Perhaps it's getting involved in peoples lives of at risk youth. The only thing we can do is adopt, stop [not indicting anyone in particular here] casting stones at those who are in unfortunate circumstances and help them...perhaps even proactively. I'm sure there are plenty of demographic stats that indicate who at risk teens are and find them and get involved with them. Even if you work with just one or 2 and make a difference that's better than just saying we need to do something (i'm as guilty as the next person in that).

[Shonsu]

there has been no change in the abortion laws. they are the same as under GWB. And acceptance of someone's lifestyle doesn't cause others to join that lifestyle.

See what I mean?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban

[Genna14]

Gehenna,
I am open to anyone's viewpiont. Funny you'd be the one casting stones. I'm debating a point. Maybe you should make your point or not say anything. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me; in fact I'm used to it. But don't call names and act childish and then not address my point. If you wanna debate, bring it on.

Adoption isn't that expensive. Where do you live? I'll match you up with a social services agency. The adoption may cost nothing. That's a pathetic excuse for not adopting.
Oh please, I never called you a name, I simply called you out on your own thing there. Don't tell me I'm casting stones because I tried to be open minded but your views, many of them, go directly against THE VERY WORD OF GOD.

My family cannot afford to bring another child into our home. We can't afford to put gas in all our cars sometimes and we can't even afford to turn the heat on in our house this winter. My mom may be losing her job and I can't even find one. Don't pretend to know the financial situation of everyone because we just cannot do it. I'm not talking about the cost of adoption but to bring a 4th child into the home right now is a ridiculous notion. It would be unfair to that child.

Don't talk to ME about being pathetic. I'm 24 freaking years old, I got no busines adopting no kids right now. I'm in the prime of my life going to school and I'm not even finished yet and I may have to start over.

You've been so utterly judgemental. It isn't that we don't want to adopt its that we CANNOT adopt. I really honestly hope that God takes the blinders off of your eyes. I honestly cannot stand to come into this forum anymore because all I ever get is attacked for my own viewpoints.

I've never seen you be open to any of my viewpoints. I can't be open to yours because they're not Bibilical. You can't tell me that God is OK with abortion!! And the Bible clearly goes against homosexuality and you're all for it. If you believe in the Bible, you believe in ALL of it you can't just pick and choose.

[Evanescence]

Someone say Bush?

Good Lord...service to the country? Good service?

I hope to see Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the whole lot of his Admin in orange jump suits on CNN. They are all war the top tier are all war criminals and are guilty of crimes against the Constitution...

What we know of Bush and Cheney is only the tip of the iceberg...I am sure of this.

Now back to fighting...:cool:

[rossid]

Change IS Coming - PTL!!!

[Valpo]

governor jindal is a stud

[kiwisongbird]

God appoints leaders over nations... go figure everybody.... I certainly can't figure that one out - EVER!!!!! But He has appointed Obama over the US because he is the leader that your nation is to have at this time.... I guess all you can do is thank God for him and pray for him... :)

[SueQ]

I'm not sure how grateful I am but I will definitely pray for him......I am worried that all this praise for him will set him up for a huge fall....

[Howlin' Wolf]

The impact a president has cannot be measured immediately. You need the distance of time in order to see his (or her if ever the case may be) longitudinal effects. So...therefore I don't know yet.

[Howlin' Wolf]

governor jindal is a stud

That's right he is!

[SueQ]

I'm not sure how grateful I am but I will definitely pray for him......I am worried that all this praise for him will set him up for a huge fall....

Talking about Obama btw....

[mcgreen311]

RE: Obamicon.me

I like how this is starting to take on the Andy Warholesque pop art status. Of course, it is Warholesque anyway, just red, white, and blue instead of the other primary colors.

[Evanescence]

Any proof or sorce to the so-called fact that bush PRE-pardoned his entire staff, so they would not be prosecuted, in case they are?