Could YOU have 18 kids??

[Genna14]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469944,00.html

Yep, number 18 was born on the 18th. HA!

[ausgirl]

I could - but I WOULDN'T! I love kids, but not that many.

[prayercloth sis]

My Great Grandmother had 14 children total with 3 sets of twins, my grandmother was the eldest of all the children and the 1st eldest twin...

and no, i don't think my nerves could handle it....i have my hands full with my 3...Thank God he knew that...lol..

cool story...

Rhonie

[Pouye]

God would give any believing couple the grace and strength to has as many children as they want to have. Having many children is not a sin. The Bible encourages having many children. It is only our corrupted, selfish culture that thinks that having more than one or two children is somehow unwise or wrong. It wasn't uncommon for men of God in the Bible to have far more than 18 children. Israel was a nation founded on the 12 sons of Jacob (born of 4 different women, with Leah having half of them).

My grandmother had 13 children. By the time she died, she had over 100 grandchildren/greatgrandchildren.

Rock

[Jason]

18? Pffft. My friend Joe's grandma had 19.

[Pouye]

18? Pffft. My friend Joe's grandma had 19.

Large families were not uncommon then, although 19 was a very big one!

Rock

[Jason]

Large families were not uncommon then, although 19 was a very big one!

Rock

Plus, she was Amish.

Joe says family reunions are huge.

[MadCatholicGomer]

I can't wait for the day I get married. And my wife and I will have as many children as God will allow. I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... and personally, I think having that many children is really what being married is all about.

[Pouye]

I can't wait for the day I get married. And my wife and I will have as many children as God will allow. I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... and personally, I think having that many children is really what being married is all about.

You're not married yet? What about what's her lashes you were dating? Whataya wait'n for? :D

Rock

[ausgirl]

I don't think it's responsible to have dozens of children, there is no way you can possibly give each child quality time and attention, let alone financially support them all. I have a family with 7 boys in my centre, they clearly are not receiving learning and developmental support they need - the two older have severe learning difficulties and can hardly read or write, the next two that we have can barely speak - even though we have recommended speech therapy - there is no time or money for that. And yes, they are christians - how can this be a good christian example?

I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... You are quite entitled to have your own personal convictions about contraceptive methods, however I think it is unfair to say that it is not moral for others to choose to use these methods - unless it is a post conception method, which I agree is wrong.

[mcgreen311]

No.



(I wanted to leave the answer at that, but it sounded too brusque.)

[Genna14]

I can't wait for the day I get married. And my wife and I will have as many children as God will allow. I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... and personally, I think having that many children is really what being married is all about.
And I believe that's an awfully judgemental thing to say. What if you're not prepared for children? What if you don't want children? I use contraception. Does that mean I'm sinning by using it? I'm not married OR sexually active. I use it for other reasons than not having kids, but you can be assured that when I do get married, I will probably use it. You say its immoral to use contraception and I say its irresponsible not to.

[ausgirl]

I am in the same boat as you Genna re the contraception - infact it could be seriously harmful for my health not to use it at the moment.

I have always wondered why it is considered immoral to use contraception - should you not be having sexual relations at the right time the egg won't be fetilised anyway - such as via the rhythm method - could you consider that immoral too?


I think it's also worth noting that your wife should have the right to choose just how many times she should be pregnant.

[Salome]

One reason people view taking birth control pills as immoral is because it can actually be an abortifacient. Ideally the pill will make the egg so the sperm cannot fertilize it. However, there are times that the egg does get fertilized, but the pill has made the uterine wall an environment that makes it impossible for the fertilized egg to attach. And so the fertilized egg is aborted.

But that's just one contraceptive method, and many believe that a couple should let God bless the womb as many times as He sees fit.

[Jesuslove]

I can't wait for the day I get married. And my wife and I will have as many children as God will allow. I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... and personally, I think having that many children is really what being married is all about.

OMG.. with all due respect, that's so Catholic doctrinish.... I have no problem iwth people having as many kids as they want, as long as they can financially and morally support them. I know it's awesome to think you will have as many children as God gives you, but for many, that's not realistic. Over the past few years, I've paid almost $10,000 in child care expenses per year. Most people don't have that kind of money. I suspect that you, unless you are independently wealthy, will have other thoughts, once you get married and start having kids. I struggle raising one, and would only consider having one other. I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood wtih many large families. I've found the larger the family, the greater the struggle. Usually, only the first or first and second go to college. Kids further down the line have less opportunity, and are often raised by siblings. I'm not saying it's always the case, it's just been my experience. So while the thought of having a large family is amazing, it's not practical for all.

[mcgreen311]

But that's just one contraceptive method, and many believe that a couple should let God bless the womb as many times as He sees fit.

I'm going to riff off this post, even though you're not picking a side, Salome.

I think that as standards of living, healthcare, and such change, we use our God-given judgment to apply or not apply these things to our lives. God can still "bless the womb" as he sees fit, even with birth control. While less likely, contraceptive methods are not %100. I've known people to conceive while on bc.

In any case, I think the argument stems more from someone's view of the purpose of sex. If the sole and/or primary purpose is to create offspring then the usage of contraceptives for that purpose would be wrong. One could also argue that the act of sex and not the bc would be the actual wrong act from that line of reasoning.

With that in mind, if one's attitude towards sex differs from the above, I do not see how using bc would be any different than going to the doctor for, let's say, a flu shot. Now the analogy is not perfect; I'm certainly not intending to compare a child to the flu. However, by getting the flu shot are you not trusting God to protect your health, or are you using the methods he has provided to protect it. If you have prayerfully concluded that having children at a certain point in time would not be God's will, how does the using bc hurt? And as ausgirl mentioned, how is the rhythm method not subverting God's will?

[HPE89]

One reason people view taking birth control pills as immoral is because it can actually be an abortifacient. Ideally the pill will make the egg so the sperm cannot fertilize it. However, there are times that the egg does get fertilized, but the pill has made the uterine wall an environment that makes it impossible for the fertilized egg to attach. And so the fertilized egg is aborted.

But that's just one contraceptive method, and many believe that a couple should let God bless the womb as many times as He sees fit.

Nicely said! :)

[maui sista]

I can't wait for the day I get married. And my wife and I will have as many children as God will allow. I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... and personally, I think having that many children is really what being married is all about.

This cracks me up! I would like to see YOU give birth 18 times:) the thought of it makes my hair fall out. and what if you get married and she or you can't have kids???? is your marriage in vain?
To say that "its what marriage is all about" sound like to me something a cute little girl would say when talking about "when I grow up"...
A word of advice for when you do find the girl for you...let her read your post first so she knows just where you stand on this.

Snick:rolleyes:

[phil_ur_friend]

I hope to have a dog someday...maybe two dogs.

:D

[Buttabean]

I can't wait for the day I get married. And my wife and I will have as many children as God will allow. I don't believe that contraception is a moral option for... anyone... and personally, I think having that many children is really what being married is all about.

Like several others on here, I have a little bit of a problem with this. My father's side of the family is entirely Catholic. They all believe that contraception is morally wrong. But, they are certainly OK with having relations before marriage. Because of this, almost all of my cousins over the age of 18 (and there are quite a few, believe me-my father is 1 of 8 children) have children--most of them have more than 1 child--out of wedlock. In the meantime, I am married and take birth control pills. Which one of us is more morally responsible? The ones who end up with unwanted children, or the one who does not want to bring children into this world until she is able to properly and nurturingly care for them?

And I too would make sure that your wife wants to have as many children as God will allow. Maybe that should be a question in the first few dates, to make sure you're on the same page. :)

Marriage is all about having tons of kids? What about the intimacy and friendship that comes with having a mate that God put on Earth just for you? The companionship, respect, trust, faith in, etc. That should be just as important as procreation. Its quality, not quantity. ;) Even in kids.

[ausgirl]

I think, if God had intended sex for procreation only, he wouldn't have made it such an enjoyable experience - but just an act - like in animals. Certainly it is for procreation, but not only that.

[Genna14]

One reason people view taking birth control pills as immoral is because it can actually be an abortifacient. Ideally the pill will make the egg so the sperm cannot fertilize it. However, there are times that the egg does get fertilized, but the pill has made the uterine wall an environment that makes it impossible for the fertilized egg to attach. And so the fertilized egg is aborted.

But that's just one contraceptive method, and many believe that a couple should let God bless the womb as many times as He sees fit.
Contraception doesn't necessarily mean the pill. There are many other forms of BC such as condoms, IUCs, ect. that don't cause abortions.

[R. Smith]

...want to get married someday. No, I haven't met Miss Right. But when the time comes, I'd probably only want to have 2 kids. The average in my family is between 2-4 kids, so I'd like to have 2.

-Rog