REVELATION needs your help

[Rainlily]

Hey Gomers,

I was over at Amazon.com this morning & it looks like REVELATION could use some more 5 star reviews.
As of now, there are four - only 6 reviews total.

As of this writing, it's sitting at 4 stars because of 2 idiots. :eek:

GET THIS:
One gave a 3 star review (entitled "Really?") because he thought the album art was a rip off of Radiohead's Hail to the Thief,
but, HE HADN'T ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE CD!

The other reviewer chimed in with a 1 star review ("Hail to the Thief, indeed,") agreeing with the first guy. I'm sure he hadn't listened to it either.

For those who are curious about the aforementioned cover:
http://www.amazon.com/Hail-Thief-Radiohead/dp/B000092ZYX/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_3

I commented on the first review, referring them to the web page that talks about Salvation Mountain. http://www.thirdday.com/revrev/revelations.htm


I then submitted a very lenghty (5 star) review that started off with "Unlike other reviewers, I've actually LISTENED to the album..."
(At the time, those were the only 2 reviews that were posted.)

Unfortunately, as of this writing, my review has not been posted yet. I'm not sure if it was because it was so long, or maybe because I haven't reviewed a CD there for a while. At any rate, it said it could take up to 48 hours to post. At that point I will sound sound like a snob saying "Well, I actually listened to it... blah, blah, blah." :rolleyes:

If ya'll get a chance, chime in at http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Third-Day/dp/B0016LHH1C/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1

Thanks,
Rainlily

[bholdj]

Hey Gomers,

I was over at Amazon.com this morning & it looks like REVELATION could use some more 5 star reviews.
As of now, there are four - only 6 reviews total.

As of this writing, it's sitting at 4 stars because of 2 idiots. :eek:

GET THIS:
One gave a 3 star review (entitled "Really?") because he thought the album art was a rip off of Radiohead's Hail to the Thief,
but, HE HADN'T ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE CD!

The other reviewer chimed in with a 1 star review ("Hail to the Thief, indeed,") agreeing with the first guy. I'm sure he hadn't listened to it either.

For those who are curious about the aforementioned cover:
http://www.amazon.com/Hail-Thief-Radiohead/dp/B000092ZYX/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_3

I commented on the first review, referring them to the web page that talks about Salvation Mountain. http://www.thirdday.com/revrev/revelations.htm


I then submitted a very lenghty (5 star) review that started off with "Unlike other reviewers, I've actually LISTENED to the album..."
(At the time, those were the only 2 reviews that were posted.)

Unfortunately, as of this writing, my review has not been posted yet. I'm not sure if it was because it was so long, or maybe because I haven't reviewed a CD there for a while. At any rate, it said it could take up to 48 hours to post. At that point I will sound sound like a snob saying "Well, I actually listened to it... blah, blah, blah." :rolleyes:

If ya'll get a chance, chime in at http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Third-Day/dp/B0016LHH1C/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1

Thanks,
Rainlily


yea the ignorant don't score a lot of points in my book. This guy must have missed the page memo on salvation mountain inside the cover.

Gods hand is all over this thing, is radiohead even on the map commercially in any genre?

[sandyandporter]

I posted my review!

[The Unknown Gomer]

And with a few more reviews, it's now up to 4.5 stars.

I'll try to post one tonight, when I can give it some more thought.

[Rainlily]

yea the ignorant don't score a lot of points in my book. This guy must have missed the page memo on salvation mountain inside the cover.

Gods hand is all over this thing, is radiohead even on the map commercially in any genre?

It looks like he downloaded the music, according to the info under his review. (And then didn't listen to it.)

I don't know about you, but I don't download anything that I haven't already heard & know that I HAVE TO HAVE! That is so funny...just blows my mind!

As far as Radiohead goes, I have NO idea if they are even still around. I have heard OF them, but that's about it!

[Jason]

Radiohead is definitely still around.

"Radiohead's seventh album, In Rainbows, was released in October 2007 as a digital download for which customers chose their own price. A "discbox" including a bonus CD from the recording sessions, a double vinyl edition of the album, and a hardcover book of artwork was released in early December.[48] In Rainbows was physically released in the UK in late December on XL Recordings and in North America in January 2008 on TBD Records,[48] and charted at number one both in the UK and in the US.[49][50] The album's success in the US marked Radiohead's highest chart success in that country since Kid A, while it was their fifth UK number one album. "Jigsaw Falling into Place", the first single from the album, was released in the UK in January 2008.[51] The second single, "Nude", debuted at #37 in the Billboard Hot 100, Radiohead's first song to make that chart since 1995's "High and Dry" and their first time in the top 40 since "Creep".[52]

"In Rainbows received overwhelmingly positive reviews, among the best of Radiohead's career. Critics praised the album for having a more accessible sound and personal style of lyrics than their past work.[53] Explaining the reasons behind the album's delivery and pricing scheme, Jonny Greenwood said, "It was an experiment that felt worth trying...[and] it's fun to make people stop for a few seconds and think about what music is worth."[54] Yorke described the album as Radiohead's attempt to "describe...as coherently and conclusively as possible, what moves us." He said that with In Rainbows, Radiohead wanted to make a concise album, such as classic albums as Transformer, Revolver, and Hunky Dory.[55][56] Radiohead will tour North America, Europe, South America and Japan from May 2008 to the end of the year to promote In Rainbows.[57] A greatest hits compilation, titled Radiohead: The Best Of, was released by EMI in June 2008.[58] This compilation does not contain any of the tracks from In Rainbows, as In Rainbows was not released through EMI."
-Wikipedia

[Rainlily]

Wow! You sure know a lot about Radiohead. Thanks for clueing us in.

[Jason]

Wow! You sure know a lot about Radiohead. Thanks for clueing us in.

No, I just did a quick search on Wikipedia.

[Rainlily]

You're so smart!

[danbos]

The whole thing about Radiohead is kind of funny, because a couple days ago, I saw an article about three bands that were nothing more than ripoffs of U2, and one was Radiohead.

[Rainlily]

The whole thing about Radiohead is kind of funny, because a couple days ago, I saw an article about three bands that were nothing more than ripoffs of U2, and one was Radiohead.

That IS funny. Maybe I should post THAT at Amazon!

[calalily]

Consider it done! I will gladly review and give them 5 stars all the way!

[ifoughtpiranhas]

As a Christian (a PK from the PCA) and as someone currently involved in the arts, I have to speak up about this. I used to listen to CCM religiously (no pun intended, I really thought people were less than holy if they listened to "secular" music), until I heard the bands that the CCM'ers were trying to emulate (and God rooted out some ugly self-righteousness in my heart), and I have never looked back. I do not listen to CCM, but I try to be tolerant becasue CCM does reach people for Christ. Imagine how many people the CCM industry could reach if the music was not only message driven (its current state) but artistically driven as well (Sufjan Stevens is a welcome exception). This is not helping. By aping Thom York and Stanley Donwood's cover art for Hail to the Thief (a terrible, terrible thing considering the cross added to the hill), Third Day has provided CCM naysayers with palpable and oh so ironic cannon fodder. Whether or not it was their intention, it was still plagiarism and an embarrassment to Christians trying to make a difference in the arts (myself included). We are called to innocent as doves and wise as serpents, please, please, PLEASE don't forget the latter.

[Corrine]

By aping Thom York and Stanley Donwood's cover art for Hail to the Thief (a terrible, terrible thing considering the cross added to the hill),

It may resemble that album cover, but the painting on the cover of Third Day's Revelation CD is of Salvation Mountain. This is a quote from the Revelations page (http://www.thirdday.com/revelations.htm) of ThirdDay.com:
"Salvation Mountain is a real place. Located north of Calipatria, California, it has been entered to the congressional record as a national treasure. Leonard Knight created Salvation Mountain as a large public art project designed to send the message that "God Loves Everyone." Third Day drew inspiration from Salvation Mountain to create the album cover for their new album, "Revelation." The cover is an artistic interpretation of Knight's creation composed of the song titles of the album to send our own message of God's love to the world."

See?

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[savthchristians]

i have to agree with ifoughtpiranhas, and if i can maybe expand upon it a little.
i'm also a christian (PK from florida), and similarly am often embarrassed by Christian music. I don't mean to be rude nor to cause controversy, but i was reading this thread after google-ing "revelation third day radiohead" (being a radiohead fan i had myself noticed the resemblance), and felt i needed to interject my own opinion.
firstly, for me the real issue with the album cover is not whether or not third day ripped radiohead off - it could just be an honest mistake. but the heart of the issue is that they didn't realize "oh this looks like that radiohead album cover" because, truth be told, every modern band making rock music knows radiohead. including third day. they're rather universally known as inventing modern-rock, and some articles go so far as to say "every rock band of the last 10 years owes something to radiohead." (btw, saying radiohead is a ripoff of u2 is a very ignorant comment. go listen to any radiohead song after their first album and then any u2 song ever and you will find very few similarities. i'm a huge fan of both). the idea that third day would not have noticed the resemblence is frankly comical, and if they truly didn't proves how out of touch they are with the entire secular world of music.
secondly, i must entreat upon you all as to whether you would ever consider giving a third day album anything besides a 5-star review? i am, of course, making an estimated conjecture, but your comments lead me to believe that you would gladly rate anything third day makes 5 stars simply because third day makes it, and (in a sense) isn't that just as bad as giving them one star after not listening to them at all?
btw, i gave revelation 3.5/5. it had some promise but lacked any real motivation for me, and was severely lacking in anything truly "grabbing". the title song in particular sounded like every other third day song i've ever listened to, and clearly they're failing to venture out into other genres.

[evychevy]

[QUOTE=savthchristians;188 2563]i have to agree with ifoughtpiranhas, and if i can maybe expand upon it a little.
"....truth be told, every modern band making rock music knows radiohead. including third day. they're rather universally known as inventing modern-rock, and some articles go so far as to say "every rock band of the last 10 years owes something to radiohead." [QUOTE]

Firstly - all my capitalization is meant for EMPHASIS - not as shouting. :) Now about your comment above....

Clarification #1: Radiohead is known for its primary / initial influence on ALTERNATIVE ROCK that has been produced since the early 1990's. Please compare apples to apples - not oranges. ;)

Clarification #2: Why would anyone suggest or assume Third Day would be influenced by Radiohead - at all??? I can't speak for Third Day on that point - however...

If you take an honest listen to ALL of Third Day's music you will discover that although they are very capable of adapting to various music genres, Third Day's PRIMARY style is SOUTHERN ROCK - NOT Alternative Rock and not Classic Rock. FYI, the Southern Rock genre existed LOOOOOONG before Radiohead.

FYI - Southern Rock - really began with the ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND (from the LATE 1960's - when Radiohead members were still in DIAPERS) and LYNARD SKYNARD (from the EARLY 1970's) - DECADES BEFORE RADIOHEAD. :D The only other Southern Rock group to significantly hit the radio waves AFTER these two bands was THE BLACK CROWES in the early 1990's. Note also that the Allman Brothers Band, Lynard Skynard and The Black Crowes also had a touch of Blues mixed in with the Southern Rock style. I've heard a bit of that Blues mixed with Southern Rock in some of Third Day's music also.

Those of us who love Southern Rock - literally thank God for Third Day - as not only do they create profound worship music - their Southern Rock offerings are awesome and certainly more spiritually sound to listen to than The Black Crowes, etc.! AND - Mac Powell's voice beat them all hands down. What other bands are doing Southern Rock these days anyways????

IMHO, Third Day's albums "Time" and "Revelation" are both 5-stars for me. I hope they have Howard Benson produce their next album too! :cool:

I mix/shuffle listening to Third Day right along with Brooks & Dunn, Clint Black, Keith Urban and... a little bit of the "bad boy" Travis Tritt ;)

[Rainlily]

I was surprised to see that this thread was still going...

i have to agree with ifoughtpiranhas, and if i can maybe expand upon it a little.
i'm also a christian (PK from florida), and similarly am often embarrassed by Christian music. I don't mean to be rude nor to cause controversy, but i was reading this thread after google-ing "revelation third day radiohead" (being a radiohead fan i had myself noticed the resemblance), and felt i needed to interject my own opinion.
firstly, for me the real issue with the album cover is not whether or not third day ripped radiohead off - it could just be an honest mistake. but the heart of the issue is that they didn't realize "oh this looks like that radiohead album cover" because, truth be told, every modern band making rock music knows radiohead. including third day. they're rather universally known as inventing modern-rock, and some articles go so far as to say "every rock band of the last 10 years owes something to radiohead." (btw, saying radiohead is a ripoff of u2 is a very ignorant comment. go listen to any radiohead song after their first album and then any u2 song ever and you will find very few similarities. i'm a huge fan of both). the idea that third day would not have noticed the resemblence is frankly comical, and if they truly didn't proves how out of touch they are with the entire secular world of music.


secondly, i must entreat upon you all as to whether you would ever consider giving a third day album anything besides a 5-star review? i am, of course, making an estimated conjecture, but your comments lead me to believe that you would gladly rate anything third day makes 5 stars simply because third day makes it, and (in a sense) isn't that just as bad as giving them one star after not listening to them at all?btw, i gave revelation 3.5/5. it had some promise but lacked any real motivation for me, and was severely lacking in anything truly "grabbing". the title song in particular sounded like every other third day song i've ever listened to, and clearly they're failing to venture out into other genres.

#1 The "similarity" is there, but I for one think the Revelation cover much more closely resembles the real Salvation Mountain, than it does the cover of Radiohead's CD. Should Third Day NOT haved used the cover because they most surely were aware that it bore "a slight resemblence" to another CD cover?

#2 Would I rate anything Third Day put out as 5 star, simply because Third Day released it? No. In particular, their first two albums.

Do I think the majority of their music is worthy of a 5 star rating? Yes

My plea for others to chime in with their ratings was to offset the unfairness of poor reviews by people who had not actually listened to the music.
The general consensus of the board members in several threads going at the time "Revelation" was released, was that this was Third Day's best CD yet! I assumed the ratings would be 5 star because of what I had read of others' reactions to the music. Much different than your reaction, btw!!

Musical taste is a very personal thing. Most of us would strongly disagree with your assessment of "Revelation," myself included.

[onesawthelight]

i have to agree with ifoughtpiranhas, and if i can maybe expand upon it a little.
i'm also a christian (PK from florida), and similarly am often embarrassed by Christian music. I don't mean to be rude nor to cause controversy, but i was reading this thread after google-ing "revelation third day radiohead" (being a radiohead fan i had myself noticed the resemblance), and felt i needed to interject my own opinion.
firstly, for me the real issue with the album cover is not whether or not third day ripped radiohead off - it could just be an honest mistake. but the heart of the issue is that they didn't realize "oh this looks like that radiohead album cover" because, truth be told, every modern band making rock music knows radiohead. including third day. they're rather universally known as inventing modern-rock, and some articles go so far as to say "every rock band of the last 10 years owes something to radiohead." (btw, saying radiohead is a ripoff of u2 is a very ignorant comment. go listen to any radiohead song after their first album and then any u2 song ever and you will find very few similarities. i'm a huge fan of both). the idea that third day would not have noticed the resemblence is frankly comical, and if they truly didn't proves how out of touch they are with the entire secular world of music.
secondly, i must entreat upon you all as to whether you would ever consider giving a third day album anything besides a 5-star review? i am, of course, making an estimated conjecture, but your comments lead me to believe that you would gladly rate anything third day makes 5 stars simply because third day makes it, and (in a sense) isn't that just as bad as giving them one star after not listening to them at all?
btw, i gave revelation 3.5/5. it had some promise but lacked any real motivation for me, and was severely lacking in anything truly "grabbing". the title song in particular sounded like every other third day song i've ever listened to, and clearly they're failing to venture out into other genres.

First..it does not look all that much like Radioheads cover. Just because it has the same general shape? Get serious. It looks like what it was intended to be...like salvation mountain.

Second...were you listening to the same cd I was? Revelation has a different sound to it then previous cds. Maybe you didn't really listen to it at all?
Your loss...

[ChelsieGratzer]

i have to agree with ifoughtpiranhas, and if i can maybe expand upon it a little.
i'm also a christian (PK from florida), and similarly am often embarrassed by Christian music. I don't mean to be rude nor to cause controversy, but i was reading this thread after google-ing "revelation third day radiohead" (being a radiohead fan i had myself noticed the resemblance), and felt i needed to interject my own opinion.
firstly, for me the real issue with the album cover is not whether or not third day ripped radiohead off - it could just be an honest mistake. but the heart of the issue is that they didn't realize "oh this looks like that radiohead album cover" because, truth be told, every modern band making rock music knows radiohead. including third day. they're rather universally known as inventing modern-rock, and some articles go so far as to say "every rock band of the last 10 years owes something to radiohead." (btw, saying radiohead is a ripoff of u2 is a very ignorant comment. go listen to any radiohead song after their first album and then any u2 song ever and you will find very few similarities. i'm a huge fan of both). the idea that third day would not have noticed the resemblence is frankly comical, and if they truly didn't proves how out of touch they are with the entire secular world of music.
secondly, i must entreat upon you all as to whether you would ever consider giving a third day album anything besides a 5-star review? i am, of course, making an estimated conjecture, but your comments lead me to believe that you would gladly rate anything third day makes 5 stars simply because third day makes it, and (in a sense) isn't that just as bad as giving them one star after not listening to them at all?
btw, i gave revelation 3.5/5. it had some promise but lacked any real motivation for me, and was severely lacking in anything truly "grabbing". the title song in particular sounded like every other third day song i've ever listened to, and clearly they're failing to venture out into other genres.
Well, the guys from Third Day didn't make the cover. So, don't be putting them down just for that! The resemblance isn't much at all. If you have the album and you open up the cover there is a thing explaining it. It says, "...Third Day drew inspiration from Salvation Mountain to create this album art. The cover is an artistic interpretation of Knight's creation composed of Revelation's song titles to send our own message of God's Love to the world..."

I would give Third Day something rather than a 5-star review. Like a couple of there first albums. Maybe a 4-4.5? But Revelation DESERVES a 5-star rating. The guys say so themselves, "Revelation is the best album they've done." I don't GIVE Third Day 5-star ratings just because they're my most favorite band ever! They earn it and they earn respect. They want you to be truthful to them. But I'm sure that if you were to see Third Day live in concert you'd feel better about them and the album.
I myself think that Third Day has taken us fans to a whole new level. None of the new songs sound like previous songs. They all have a very great meaning to them. They don't deserve this kind of disrespect. They do this to sread the Word of God not to impress people by their skills. Grant it, they have great skills. Mac's got a lovely voice, Mark is just amazing on melting your face off with anything he plays, Tai gives your heart that extra little "thump, thump" whether it be in concert or at home, David can keep the beat. Without David.. the guys would probably get off beat. But they're not just 'doing it for fun' they're 'doing it to spread the Word of God'. Some people just don't realize that and they take Third Day (and other Christian Rock bands) for what they SOUND like.
Has it ever crossed your mind that the guys or there Art Direction/Designer didn't even THINK about Radiohead's cover? Sometime's you don't associate two things at the same time. But sometime's you do. All the fuss about it looking like Radiohead's cover came AFTER the fact that they made the cover. The guys VISITED Salvation Mountain. There's a picture in the album cover of them standing there. And it INSPIRED them.
Long story short- Third Day DIDN'T rip Radiohead off. SM was their inspiration to make the amazing music on Revelation. So, they wanted to show that. Revelation deserves better reviews and they don't deserve 1 star ratings. Third Day's AMAZING nothing anyone says about them will change that!
So, I think I rest my case!

(I absolutely dislike things that put Christian Rock band's down like this with a passion. People listen to this stuff and get great things out of it. Can people not understand this? I tell people, "The music you listen to has a bad meaning or no meaning at all. Why not listen to music that has a meaning and sends a great message?")