US planned to use nerve gas on Aussie troops

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Recently declassified documents have suggested that the US approached Canberra to use Nerve Gas - yes you read that right - on AUSTRALIAN diggers during the Cold War. Yes, allies, not enemies. I find this VERY disturbing. How could anyone even think of proposing to use nerve gas on allied troops, or on anyone for that matter? It makes me feel sick. :mad:

This will give E a field day. And with good reason...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10520276
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23976733-421,00.html

[elby65]

They used all kinds of chemicals and drugs on our own troops without their knowledge during the VietNam war. Earlier than that, nuclear tests were conducted near inhabited areas to document what radiation exposure would do, again without the knowledge and consent of the people. Why should they change tactics now? Some of what my government does makes me want to cry!

[ausgirl]

Yes, I saw this too Col. I just love how they wre considering their troops by testing on ours instead...hmmm.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Yes, I saw this too Col. I just love how they wre considering their troops by testing on ours instead...hmmm.

It shows they already knew it was dangerous.

Who was President back then? FDR?

[sandie]

No, Lyndon Baines Johnson was the US President then, from 1963 (after JFK was assassinated) until 1969. Thank you, Mr Google.

Harold Holt was our PM until he drowned on 17th December, 1969. (My grandmother died the same day.)

We'd followed the USA into Vietnam, and interestingly,the Aussie slogan of the time was "All the way with LBJ." The devotion seems to have been more on our side, than theirs!

Perhaps Holt wasn't taken by a Chinese submarine. :confused: Maybe he was taken by the Americans for refusing to gas our troops. ;)

[kiwisongbird]

Then there was antivivisection and the Aussies were saved from any more animal testing! :) :) :) :eek:

[Evanescence]

Good work Aussie...

I'm looking into the Depleted Uranium issue with Gulf War and this Iraq War...

There are links to Gulf War sickness and the depleted uranium munitions...

Gee....can't imagine that Aussie....you're right though. What kind of country....????

[Howlin' Wolf]

Recently declassified documents have suggested that the US approached Canberra to use Nerve Gas - yes you read that right - on AUSTRALIAN diggers during the Cold War. Yes, allies, not enemies. I find this VERY disturbing. How could anyone even think of proposing to use nerve gas on allied troops, or on anyone for that matter? It makes me feel sick. :mad:

This will give E a field day. And with good reason...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10520276
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23976733-421,00.html

nothing new. Our government has zero regard for human life, even our ally's lives.

[Evanescence]

Yep...its easily proven that nearly 50% of Gulf war vets are recieving benefits from the VA for Gulf war related illnesses...Gulf war syndrom.

But we only lost a few men?

Maybe its the depleted Uranium they use in the ammunition....the same stuff they're still using....

Aussie, your contry is too righteous to trust us...evrything this govt does is sefl-serving...

[Aussie3rddayfan]

nothing new. Our government has zero regard for human life, even our ally's lives.

I am assuming you just mean the current administration, not the government as a whole?

Yep...its easily proven that nearly 50% of Gulf war vets are recieving benefits from the VA for Gulf war related illnesses...Gulf war syndrom.

But we only lost a few men?

Maybe its the depleted Uranium they use in the ammunition....the same stuff they're still using....

Aussie, your contry is too righteous to trust us...evrything this govt does is sefl-serving...

I have of course heard of Gulf War Syndrome but never really looked at it. Got a reliable source?

[Howlin' Wolf]

I am assuming you just mean the current administration, not the government as a whole?



I have of course heard of Gulf War Syndrome but never really looked at it. Got a reliable source?


there is evidence that FDR knew about the attack at Pearl Harbor and let it happen. I'm saying our government as a whole is despicable.

[Evanescence]

there is evidence that FDR knew about the attack at Pearl Harbor and let it happen. I'm saying our government as a whole is despicable.

There's a LOT of evidence for that....WWI and the sinking of the Lusitannia to trigger WWI.....it was allowed to happen...

[bvc]

Yep...its easily proven that nearly 50% of Gulf war vets are recieving benefits from the VA for Gulf war related illnesses...Gulf war syndrom.

But we only lost a few men?

Maybe its the depleted Uranium they use in the ammunition....the same stuff they're still using....Anthrax vaccine is another....that they continued using until 2004, and restarted in 2008, thanks to the trusty FDA. I'm sure you know this already. I knew its connection to gws within a year of the Gulf War from people that were there and received the vaccine.

[sandie]

There's a LOT of evidence for that....WWI and the sinking of the Lusitannia to trigger WWI.....it was allowed to happen...

As an aside, John, WW1 was triggered by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand of Austria (heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire) and his wife Sophie by Serbian Nationalists on June 28, 1914. The causes of WW1 included Nationalism in many countries and the pattern of alliances (Russia, France and Britain versus Italy, Austria/Hungary and Germany) which brought these two opposing sides into the war.

Back to the main topic, folks. :)

[Aussie3rddayfan]

there is evidence that FDR knew about the attack at Pearl Harbor and let it happen. I'm saying our government as a whole is despicable.

While America is my least favourite countries in the world, and I don't believe a single word that comes out Bush's mouth, I do not give any credit to the conspiracy arguments that suggest 9/11 and Pearl Harbour were really staged by the US government as an excuse for war. To suggest that they were is a gross insult to the thousands of service men and woman who died for their country and to the families of those who remain from 9/11. The arguments simply do not make logical sense.

That said, those responsible for the request to use nerve gas on allied troops should be caught, questioned and then strung up by their ears if they are found guilty.

[Mandy Robbins]

Yep...its easily proven that nearly 50% of Gulf war vets are recieving benefits from the VA for Gulf war related illnesses...Gulf war syndrom.

But we only lost a few men?

Maybe its the depleted Uranium they use in the ammunition....the same stuff they're still using....

Aussie, your contry is too righteous to trust us...evrything this govt does is sefl-serving...

My mother was one of those that came back very sick, but the VA kept saying there was nothing wrong with her. Her stomach shut down and she would have to be fed through an IV, a feeding tube wouldn't work because, like I said, he stomach shut down. It was horrible. The shots we had to give her were very painful and made knots in her. ( Anyone who has delt with phenagrin IM knows what I'm talking about) and this went on for years.

[Evanescence]

As an aside, John, WW1 was triggered by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand of Austria (heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire) and his wife Sophie by Serbian Nationalists on June 28, 1914. The causes of WW1 included Nationalism in many countries and the pattern of alliances (Russia, France and Britain versus Italy, Austria/Hungary and Germany) which brought these two opposing sides into the war.

Back to the main topic, folks. :)

Correct..thanks for clarifying....

I wasn't clear. The sinking of the Lusitannia was ONE of the main causes the USA was brought into the war. It was warned not to sail....but we sent her over anyway...and filled with munitions....

There's also a HUGE Israeli/Zionist connection with the war....and even WWII...

[Evanescence]

While America is my least favourite countries in the world, and I don't believe a single word that comes out Bush's mouth, I do not give any credit to the conspiracy arguments that suggest 9/11 and Pearl Harbour were really staged by the US government as an excuse for war. To suggest that they were is a gross insult to the thousands of service men and woman who died for their country and to the families of those who remain from 9/11. The arguments simply do not make logical sense.

That said, those responsible for the request to use nerve gas on allied troops should be caught, questioned and then strung up by their ears if they are found guilty.

Aussie, no one ever said Pearl Harbor was staged....it was ALLOWED to happen.

The American people DID NOT want us in that war....but Pearl Harbor changed their minds. There is NO proof of this...but there's a mountain of evidence that points to the fact that someone in FDRs admin knew about the attack...and let it happen.

Its happened before in war...as I have posted numerous times. Fact is virtually every major war since the Civil war has been under a cloud of decpetion or even false-flag ops....

Often times, the Presidents hands are tied...he does the damage control. Their thinking is people will die...so lets have a few die to save a lot. Least, risk scenario. Like Hiroshima...kill 100,000 to save 1 million.

War is hell.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Aussie, no one ever said Pearl Harbor was staged....it was ALLOWED to happen.

Sorry, wrong phrasing. My point still stands though. Suggesting the US government allowed their own servicemen and woman to be killed so they could go to war is ridiculous. You make it sound like the government were KEEN to go off to war. Why would you WANT to? And several years after it started at that. Not only does it cost you hundreds of thousands of lives but millions in weapons, equipment, food etc. A war on such a scale would - and did - put economies at a tremendous strain not to mention the emotional strain on those involved and the general population.

The American people DID NOT want us in that war....but Pearl Harbor changed their minds. There is NO proof of this...but there's a mountain of evidence that points to the fact that someone in FDRs admin knew about the attack...and let it happen.

Define: 'knew about the attack'

Often times, the Presidents hands are tied...he does the damage control. Their thinking is people will die...so lets have a few die to save a lot. Least, risk scenario. Like Hiroshima...kill 100,000 to save 1 million.

Don't get me started on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That was one of the most heinous crimes ever committed.

War is hell.


"So long as there are men there will be wars."
- Albert Einstein


"There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing
good in war. Except its ending."
- Abraham Lincoln


"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."
- Joseph Stalin


"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem."
- Joseph Stalin


"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God
that such men lived."
- General George S. Patton


"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a
crime."
- Ernest Hemingway


"All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers."
- Francois Fenelon


"Older men declare war. But it is the youth that must fight and die."
- Herbert Hoover


"Patriots always talk of dying for their country and never of killing for their
country."
- Bertrand Russell


"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell


"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, British statesman and philosopher


"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should get too fond of it."
- Robert E. Lee


"War is delightful to those who have not experienced it."
- Erasmus


"Only the dead have seen the end of the war."
- Plato


"War is as much a punishment to the punisher as it is to the sufferer."
- Thomas Jefferson


"In war, there are no unwounded soldiers."
- Jose Narosky


"The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars."
- Gen. William Westmoreland


"In peace the sons bury their fathers, but in war the fathers bury their sons."
- Croesus


"You can't say civilization don't advance - for in every war, they kill you in
a new way."
- Will Rogers


"If we don't end war, war will end us."
- H. G. Wells

[sandie]

Correct..thanks for clarifying....

I wasn't clear. The sinking of the Lusitannia was ONE of the main causes the USA was brought into the war. It was warned not to sail....but we sent her over anyway...and filled with munitions....

There's also a HUGE Israeli/Zionist connection with the war....and even WWII...

Thanks for the explanation, John.

[bvc]

Aussie, no one ever said Pearl Harbor was staged....it was ALLOWED to happen.Correct. Other bases were warned, Pearl Harbor was not.



The American people DID NOT want us in that war....but Pearl Harbor changed their minds. There is NO proof of this...but there's a mountain of evidence that points to the fact that someone in FDRs admin knew about the attack...and let it happen.Correct. To Americans, it was Europe's War, and we wanted no part of it. Incidents have always been used by leaders to instigate wanted war.


While America is my least favourite countries in the world, and I don't believe a single word that comes out Bush's mouth, I do not give any credit to the conspiracy arguments that suggest 9/11 and Pearl Harbour were really staged by the US government as an excuse for war. To suggest that they were is a gross insult to the thousands of service men and woman who died for their country and to the families of those who remain from 9/11. The arguments simply do not make logical sense.How is it a gross insult? Usually, the truth hurts. Revealing the blindness and brainwashed stated of patriotic, heroic, citizens, and servicemen/women does not change or take away their contribution to the country and the world.


Sorry, wrong phrasing. My point still stands though. Suggesting the US government allowed their own servicemen and woman to be killed so they could go to war is ridiculous. You make it sound like the government were KEEN to go off to war. Why would you WANT to? And several years after it started at that. Not only does it cost you hundreds of thousands of lives but millions in weapons, equipment, food etc. A war on such a scale would - and did - put economies at a tremendous strain not to mention the emotional strain on those involved and the general population.War makes many people extremely rich and promotes their power and influence throughout the world. Not only are they not effected by a strained economy, it benefits them greatly. What did Bush say at the end of the Gulf War? "We need a New World Order". The leveling of the major countries of the world in how they are run and economically must be, and will be, accomplished at all cost, and that included millions of lives.

[Evanescence]

War makes many people extremely rich and promotes their power and influence throughout the world. Not only are they not effected by a strained economy, it benefits them greatly. What did Bush say at the end of the Gulf War? "We need a New World Order". The leveling of the major countries of the world in how they are run and economically must be, and will be, accomplished at all cost, and that included millions of lives.


Correct. A good example of this...and is always obvious, is the birth of the Fed Res and WWI.

The Zionist big bankers, Rothschilds, Warburgs and JP Morgan..and others, BOUGHT Woodrow Wilson's presidency....the trade off was the birth of the Federal Reserve...a central bank-- with these big banks at the helm. Then, 2 years later, we entered WWI as a direct result of the sinking of Lusitannia. Once we entered WWI, the big banks loaned BOTH sides money...and got richer and richer.

War is a HUGE way to make money....and the big banks always have their hands in it. Ever stop and think of the timeline of our wars? If you include the Cold War, we've had wars every 10-15 yrs over the past 100 yrs...

Big banks have been proven to fund both sides of war many times...making PILES of cash in the win-win situation.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men ... [W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.


From Woodrow Wilson's book "The New Freedom".
Source (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=MW8SAAAAIAAJ&dq=woodrow+wilson+the+new +freedom&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=rBPiJcZ3z2&sig=V3ilH0vfHd5JDjQqGOofz 6w0FgQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA185,M1) page 185.

It's also scary that a former president writes this:


Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.


Same book.
Source (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=MW8SAAAAIAAJ&dq=woodrow+wilson+the+new +freedom&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=rBPiJcZ3z2&sig=V3ilH0vfHd5JDjQqGOofz 6w0FgQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA13,M1). Page 13, bottom paragraph.

[DareDevil]

All these are reasons why I am actually totally in favour of a general draft! Let the sons and maybe also the daughters of the high and mighty march in the ranks when there is a war and then wait and see how many wars there will actually be left.

[bvc]

written
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishe rs04271961.htm
audio (click play button)
http://www.archive.org/details/jfks19610427

JFK......The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society;
.........And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.
..................
Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
.......................
If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
...........
It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
.............
This means greater coverage and analysis of international news--for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local.

[Evanescence]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[cheewiee]

Correct. A good example of this...and is always obvious, is the birth of the Fed Res and WWI.

The Zionist big bankers, Rothschilds, Warburgs and JP Morgan..and others, BOUGHT Woodrow Wilson's presidency....the trade off was the birth of the Federal Reserve...a central bank-- with these big banks at the helm. Then, 2 years later, we entered WWI as a direct result of the sinking of Lusitannia. Once we entered WWI, the big banks loaned BOTH sides money...and got richer and richer.

War is a HUGE way to make money....and the big banks always have their hands in it. Ever stop and think of the timeline of our wars? If you include the Cold War, we've had wars every 10-15 yrs over the past 100 yrs...

Big banks have been proven to fund both sides of war many times...making PILES of cash in the win-win situation.


FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE......

Gets your Dates straight....

The Federal Reserve System was formed in 1913.....

The Lusitania was sunk in May of 1915....

The United States did not enter into World War 1 until April of 1917, only AFTER Germany backpettled and reengaged in unrestricted naval warfare targeting Passenger Ships...

The Lusitania did NOT, I repeat did NOT draw the US into World War 1.

[Evanescence]

FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE......

Gets your Dates straight....

The Federal Reserve System was formed in 1913.....

The Lusitania was sunk in May of 1915....

The United States did not enter into World War 1 until April of 1917, only AFTER Germany backpettled and reengaged in unrestricted naval warfare targeting Passenger Ships...

The Lusitania did NOT, I repeat did NOT draw the US into World War 1.

Bull. Semantics and date errors. Your dates are correct but it DID help to trigger it....

Germany warned us not to send her....even took out a ful page ad in the NY Times...then we sent her anyway...FILLED with munitions. They sank her...and we hoped they would. Sure it took time for us to enter the war but it was used as a propaganda and excuse...just like Gulf of tonkin and 911.

If we dig deep enough, w'll find that either the US Govt and/or the Zionists in the big banks pushed it. Zionists also orchestrated the declaration of Balfour....which was supposed to return land to Israel/Palestine.

The whole thing stinks of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Edit: Look and see....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_19 17

Zionists manipulating during the war....

Check this out...

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that the British government "view with favour" the establishment in Palestine of "a national home for the Jewish people" on the conditions that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" or "the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

The declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Lord Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation, a private Zionist organization. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on October 31, 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of "sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations."

Rothschild? Gee...where'd we get that name from?

One of the Big Bankers who bought Woodrow Wilson's presidency which brought out the brith of the Fed Res.

This proves the Zionists were manipulating world affairs and the WWI for the benefit of Israel...and that they would HAVE to draw the USA into WWI so they could make money on the war, loaning out the Govts...

[Evanescence]

Here's some stuff on the sinking...

[edit] Last departure
Lusitania departed Pier 54 in New York on 1 May 1915. The German Embassy in Washington had issued this warning on 22 April.[9]

NOTICE!
TRAVELLERS intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on the ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk.
IMPERIAL GERMAN EMBASSY,
Washington, D.C. April 22, 1915
This warning was printed right next to an advertisement for Lusitania's return voyage.

The warning led to some agitation in the press and worried the ship's passengers and crew. The captain, an experienced 58-year old sailor and master named William "Bowler Bill" Turner, tried to calm the passengers by explaining that the ship's speed made it safe from attack by submarine. Lusitania steamed out of New York at noon that day, two hours behind schedule due to a transfer of passengers and crew from the recently requisitioned Cameronia. Shortly after departure, three German spies were found on board, arrested, and detained below decks.

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Of the 139 Americans aboard, 128 lost their lives. There was massive outrage in Britain and America. The British felt the Americans had to declare war on Germany. U.S. Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan, fearing the US would declare war, resigned from the Cabinet in protest; however, President Woodrow Wilson still did not want the country to get involved in a European dispute because the American population (many of whom were German-American) did not want to be involved in a war nor were they ready -- no matter how outraged they were. Instead of declaring war, he sent a formal protest to Germany. Wilson was bitterly criticised in Britain as a coward. In the trenches a shell that did not explode was called a "Wilson."

Although unrestricted submarine warfare continued at a varying pace into the summer, on August 19 U-24 sank the White Star liner Arabic, with the loss of 44 passengers and crew. Three of the dead were Americans, and President Wilson angrily protested through German diplomatic channels.

On August 27, the Kaiser imposed severe restrictions on U‐boats attacks against large passenger vessels. On September 18, 1915, he called off unrestricted submarine warfare completely.

[Evanescence]

More...

While one could debate the REAL reason for entering the war, the Zimmerman telegraph with Mex plotting against the USA....AND the sinking of the Lusitania were the two primary reasons....even though the Lusitania incident happened 1 year and 3 months earlier....

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Isolationism
The United States originally pursued a policy of isolationism, avoiding conflict while trying to broker a peace. This resulted in increased tensions with Berlin and London. When a German U-boat sank the British liner Lusitania in 1915, with 128 Americans aboard, U.S. President Woodrow Wilson vowed, "America was too proud to fight" and demanded an end to attacks on passenger ships. Germany complied. Wilson unsuccessfully tried to mediate a settlement. He repeatedly warned the U.S. would not tolerate unrestricted submarine warfare, in violation of international law and U.S. ideas of human rights. Wilson was under pressure from former president Theodore Roosevelt, who denounced German acts as "piracy".[50] Wilson's desire to have a seat at negotiations at war's end to advance the League of Nations also played a significant role.[51] Wilson's Secretary of State, William Jennings Bryan, resigned in protest of the President's decidedly warmongering diplomacy. Other factors contributing to the U.S. entry into the war include the suspected German sabotage of both Black Tom in Jersey City, New Jersey, and the Kingsland Explosion in what is now Lyndhurst, New Jersey.


Making the case
In January 1917, after the Navy pressured the Kaiser, Germany resumed unrestricted submarine warfare. Britain's secret Royal Navy cryptanalytic group, Room 40, had broken the German diplomatic code. They intercepted a proposal from Berlin (the Zimmermann Telegram) to Mexico to join the war as Germany's ally against the United States, should the U.S. join. The proposal suggested, if the U.S. were to enter the war, Mexico should declare war against the United States and enlist Japan as an ally. This would prevent the United States from joining the Allies and deploying troops to Europe, and would give Germany more time for their unrestricted submarine warfare program to strangle Britain's vital war supplies. In return, the Germans would promise Mexico support in reclaiming Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona.[52]

[Aussie3rddayfan]

How is it a gross insult? Usually, the truth hurts. Revealing the blindness and brainwashed stated of patriotic, heroic, citizens, and servicemen/women does not change or take away their contribution to the country and the world.

If 9/11 were a conspiracy, then the 3000 odd people who died on those flights were nothing more than pawns used by the government. Their government apparently saw so little value in them that they were used to start a war. They were nothing more than a tool for war.

War makes many people extremely rich and promotes their power and influence throughout the world. Not only are they not effected by a strained economy, it benefits them greatly. What did Bush say at the end of the Gulf War? "We need a New World Order". The leveling of the major countries of the world in how they are run and economically must be, and will be, accomplished at all cost, and that included millions of lives.

I am sure there are some people, or even groups of people who think like that, but a whole government? I don't buy that.

[Howlin' Wolf]

If 9/11 were a conspiracy, then the 3000 odd people who died on those flights were nothing more than pawns used by the government. Their government apparently saw so little value in them that they were used to start a war. They were nothing more than a tool for war.

the government cares nothing about its citizens. period. We needed an excuse to go to war in the middle east. 9/11 gaves us that excuse. Lots of oil in Iraq. Lots of oil men in this administration. In addition, Saddam was public enemy #1 in Israel. We fight their wars for them.

I am sure there are some people, or even groups of people who think like that, but a whole government? I don't buy that.

see the quote below

Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

AIPAC

[Evanescence]

If 9/11 were a conspiracy, then the 3000 odd people who died on those flights were nothing more than pawns used by the government. Their government apparently saw so little value in them that they were used to start a war. They were nothing more than a tool for war.



I am sure there are some people, or even groups of people who think like that, but a whole government? I don't buy that.

Aussie, you and Valpo have brought this point up before..and I THANK YOU...

Why?

Because it always gave me reason to pause...and reflect and NOT come to a conclusion. Over the past year, I often heard you and Valpo's words..."Why would the Govt do that to its own people" ...."How could the Govt do that to its own people..."

That has caused me to think and re-think. Then, I began looking into Zionists and what they stand for. They MIGHT be the missing link to this whole thing. I never, ever thought Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld say around smoking cigars planning 911 out. Nor did I think that the entire US Govt and/or CIA planned it either. BUT....2-4 key members of the Govt and/or this Admin COULD have plotted this thing...enlisted some black ops...Mossad more than likley...and made a deal with the devil. For what? Who knows?

Power and oil for removing Saddam and Iran? Placing Israel in a key position in exchange for oil and power? I do not know...

I always thought there were outside sources...and am now more convinced than ever. This now makes me look like a Jew hater but thats not it. If you do a little research, you'll see that Jews don't run Israel...Zionist Jews do..and are within every major part of this country...including Washington.

What the govt is doing ow is damage control. Many DO know what happened... important and key persons mostly. But they have to keep it tight lip....or they'll die too or lose their jobs and be the laughing stock. Bush was prolly briefed..then took advantage of it and went on denial mode. 911 was pulled off or allowed to happen with MINIMAL amount of people...

[Evanescence]

Yep...Aussie, Google AIPAC and Zionists in USA....

You know how many people in this Admin have ties to AIPAC...???

[bvc]

If 9/11 were a conspiracy, then the 3000 odd people who died on those flights were nothing more than pawns used by the government. Their government apparently saw so little value in them that they were used to start a war. They were nothing more than a tool for war.Correct! I'll take that a step further. America as a nation is a pawn. US Presidents and leaders of other nations have made it clear there is a global agenda. Just because 20 nations do not do what the US does, and may even claim to be against it, doesn't mean there's no blood on their hands. America is their tool and pawn for war in accomplishing a global agenda.

There could never be a one world government with governments so vastly different as the US and the Soviet Union. That's why I said the Soviet Union would fall years before it did. The crusade to spread Democracy sounds so noble to so many, but the end result is a one world government. It is not Americas crusade, it is a global crusade America is being used to accomplish. When it is near, they will have a US Constitution and the people thereof to contend with. This of course is if we last that long. If we go into Iran, I think you can kiss that dominion goodbye. We are spread out around the world and we are not secure within our own borders from terrorist.

BTW; the establishment President that said 'we need a new world order' endorses McCain. Things continue as they have since JFK.

I know....I'm so optimistic.... :D

[Evanescence]

Good points BVC...

But, I will say that BOTH candidates have connections with a Globalist org - The Council on Foreign Relations.

Hard to say where they BOTH stand on the NWO or a Global Govt....but they ARE tied in with Globalists...

Awe heck...lets see what Obama said when good old Evanescence cornered him here in his own back yard at a town hall meeting. When's McCain coming around? :P

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gEnuhSScLgc

For CIA and FBI goons lurking on here...I'm the guy in the blue sweat shirt... :P

[bvc]

too funny!

I can't believe ummm anyone ummm uh would consider this brain uh dead umm quack for uh pres.. ummm president.....
...or any public office for that matter

[Evanescence]

Well, I confronted him but that doesn't mean I'll vote for him...or NOT vote for him.....

The same when McCain comes around....

Neither one seem like a BAD choice...but neither seem GOOD...

Where's Ross Perot to save the day ????!!!!!