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Evanescence

07-04-2008, 12:40 PM

Our friends at the NIST are about to finally release their findings on Building 7, WTC....

Conspiracy theories remain...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7485331.stm

They say fires weakened the steel etc etc....

This is old hat but anyway...on BBC news.

As you may have guessed...I'm not impressed or convinced...

Sam!

07-06-2008, 12:14 PM

Dan Was Here

07-06-2008, 04:13 PM

There is no conspiracy. We hadn't been attacked by an outside entity since 1941 and some people just can't face up to the fact that we got sucker punched. It happened. It will happen again. Let's move foreward and live the lives that God intended for us to live.

Evanescence

07-07-2008, 05:45 PM

Another report that buys into a fairly, shall we say, "conservative" explanation. Old hat... no conspiracy theory... and you disagree. No we are not surprised, and I don't mean to be a jerk--I am asking you to get a real answer:

Would you believe any report that agrees with the "official" story? I realize this is a hypothetical and there's no way to know for sure. But reading between the lines of your post, it seems to say "I don't believe this because it agrees with the story I don't believe."

Would I believe ANY report that agrees with the official story? Yes. If it is a NEW and fully independent investigation with NO Govt sources and interference.

The report is from the NIST. Who are they? Lets see...

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/general2.htm

From automated teller machines and atomic clocks to mammograms and semiconductors, innumerable products and services rely in some way on technology, measurement, and standards provided by the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

Founded in 1901, NIST is a non-regulatory federal agency within the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST's mission is to promote U.S. innovation and industrial competitiveness by advancing measurement science, standards, and technology in ways that enhance economic security and improve our quality of life.

They are a GOVERNMENT AGENCY.......

How in God's name can they be trusted to tell the truth if a coverup or worse has transpired? Who would so naive and trust them to tell the truth? Are they in on some grand conspiracy? NO! But, they certainly would be carefully watched and if they DID find something wrong....they would be directed on what to say. That's easy to figure out...

Why on earth should we believe the official story? Any of us?

I asked this question before..and for the most part it goes unanswered...so i ask again...

Philip Zelikow was Exec Director for the 911 Commission. He was a lead investigator. He had DIRECT ties with the Admin and Bush. He and Condi wrote a book together in 1995. Its on Amazon...and these facts are easily proven.

Now, how in God's name can Zelikow represent the victims and their families and the American people.....AND be in bed with the Admin, the very people he is supposed to be investigating? This is a collossal conflict of interest...and a laughing stock.

Its now come out that he had discussions with Karl Rove and Condi during the investigations but claims it was not about 911. SURE....we all believe him...

This alone is reason enough to DEMAND a new and truly independent investigation. The two lead investigators; McKean and Hamilton wrote in their book; The Inside story of the 911 Comm, that they nearly quit because of the massive roadblocks and conflicts of interests with the investigation.

How would it be Sam and others who think this is no big deal...if you had to go to court for soemthing....and the judge and opposing attorney were buddies? Or related? How about if the jury was connected soemhow to the prosecutor? Thats why people are screened for jury duty....

The bogus 911 Comm report DOES NOT spell anything nefarious or inside job or coverup. Everything else does....

Sam!

07-08-2008, 11:43 AM

"The bogus 911 Comm report DOES NOT spell anything nefarious or inside job or coverup. Everything else does...."

"Everything" else points to an inside job? I've got news for you. After my own personal investigation, I have come to the conclusion that there was no inside job or cover-up. OK, now your statement is factually false. Moving on...

I took some seminary classes and one of my classmates is a guy whose wife filed for divorce. It doesn't mean I'm going to cheat on my wife. What if there was an "independent" investigation? So what? Doesn't mean anybody's going to tell the truth. And how would you ever be able to trust that there weren't hidden connections? And obviously, you can't just let some 3rd party come in and tell them "ok, any documents in the entire governemnt that you want, you can have" - so how will you ever be satisfied that they were given access to the right things?

If I'm ever on trial for something I didn't do, you're right that I wouldn't want the jury to be connected to teh DA. But I'm also not going to spend my life savings and mortgage my future and all I own just to prove that somebody might be connected, because there simply isn't any fool-proof wayt o be 100% positive.

Look, I don't know what really happened. Could be a cover-up. Guess what? I DON'T CARE. I'm no government sycophant, but I don't live in fear that some government agent is trying to give me cancer so he can sell me drugs, either. What's to be gained? If things are as nefarious as you believe, what hope is there? Surely there are men far too powerful for you or anybody else to take down. I'm going to live my life devoted to following Jesus Christ and making disciples, and and enjoying a few pleasures along the way, being a good steward of whatever blessings God has given me. That's enough for me.

Evanescence

07-08-2008, 08:45 PM

"Everything" else points to an inside job? I've got news for you. After my own personal investigation, I have come to the conclusion that there was no inside job or cover-up. OK, now your statement is factually false. Moving on...

So, your investigation is the official story? No. Neither is mine. I draw NO conclusions....and I didn't say it points to an inside job....I said an inside job OR coverup. Both can mean a LOT of things...

I'm using God's gifts too...warning people of the corruption with all our Govts...esp here in the good old US of A.

I took some seminary classes and one of my classmates is a guy whose wife filed for divorce. It doesn't mean I'm going to cheat on my wife. What if there was an "independent" investigation? So what? Doesn't mean anybody's going to tell the truth. And how would you ever be able to trust that there weren't hidden connections? And obviously, you can't just let some 3rd party come in and tell them "ok, any documents in the entire governemnt that you want, you can have" - so how will you ever be satisfied that they were given access to the right things?

There could have been a true and independent invesigation into 911 without some unqualified 3rd party....It should have been chosen and agreed upon by Congress. You still didn't answer my question about Zelikow...

That goe for all you fence sitters out there. Tree, you're often the voce of reason...Greyshades.....h ow about you, Valpo...I asked you 3-4 times, still nothing.

I often wonder how many Evangelicals would be on the 911 Truth bandwagon if Clinton was Pres during the 911 attacks....

The dancing Israeli's probably got their wish...

Evanescence

07-10-2008, 05:24 AM

Still waiting for some logical reasons and ideas on Zelikow and this investigation....

middletree

07-10-2008, 05:51 AM

Tree, you're often the voce of reason...Greyshades.....h ow about you, Valpo...I asked you 3-4 times, still nothing.

Hey, don't blame me for not replying to this thread. This is the first time I've even opened it. I don't have an explanation for any of this stuff. Of the reason given by Truthers, I have found none of them compelling. Beyond that, I don't have much to say.

Evanescence

07-10-2008, 06:01 AM

No problem Tree...I'm not trying to be a jerk...really i'm not. But, I DID ask this question several times during 911 CP threads and it seems no one wants to touch it. When I ask skeptics in person about this, they DO express frustration in the investigation with Zelikow. Many other people do not know how it went down...

middletree

07-10-2008, 06:06 AM

Evanescence

07-10-2008, 06:16 AM

The reason I don't answer the questions is because I don't know, and to an extent, I don't care (See my new thread in The Zone). Also, of the arguments I have heard from Truthers, many of them are so ridiculous I can't even engage in conversation with them. (Rosie O'Donnell's statement that you cannot melt steel is the classic example)

OK..Tree...gotcha. At least you responded...

Rosie isn't a very good spokesperson for Truth....although i think she mispoke when she said that. yeah, she's on the patriotsfor911truth.org website...and I wish she wasn't. She's a HUGE liability....

WeaselInYerFoot

07-10-2008, 10:32 AM

By the way, The Onion (Usually is one of the most reliable news sources in the country) has some pretty good evidence against your theories E.

See for yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0&feature=related) (Youtube)

Evanescence

07-10-2008, 11:18 AM

:eek: :P :eek:

lilmikey

07-10-2008, 12:35 PM

Jason

07-10-2008, 12:38 PM

is this a joke?

The Onion is satirical.

Evanescence

07-10-2008, 04:01 PM

The Onion is satirical.

so are official Govt accounts... :P

middletree

07-10-2008, 05:03 PM

is this a joke?

Yes, and a very funny one. You should check out theonion.com, but be warned there's some bad words.

Howlin' Wolf

07-10-2008, 06:53 PM

Evanescence

07-11-2008, 06:52 AM

Yeh, its obvious to me that NO ONE cares about the country or our future anymore. Just a select few...

As long as they have their Entertainment Tonight, Brittney gossip and Applebees on Saturday night.....the rest of the country and govt can go to hell. Such a sad state of affairs the US has become. Spoiled rotten.

WeaselInYerFoot

07-11-2008, 07:24 AM

Evanescence

07-11-2008, 11:13 AM

Yep....and all the Sheeple scoff and laugh at those that question....

BAAAAAADDDDD....little Sheep...

Evanescence

07-14-2008, 09:29 AM

This just in....

The NYC emergency chief was a building collpase specialist AND a Zionist...

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3264

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, July 10, 2008

The former New York City chief emergency manager Jerome Hauer, whose office was on the 23d floor of WTC 7, was also a building collapse specialist, according to a recently uncovered New York Times article. Hauer has attracted suspicion from the 9/11 truth movement because of his zeal to push the official story in the hours after the attack when details were still sketchy.

Hauer was also Managing Director of Kroll Associates - the company that provided security for the WTC complex on 9/11 - and he also betrayed advance knowledge of the anthrax attacks a week before they happened.

In a July 27 1999 NY Times article unearthed by 9/11 Blogger entitled What Could Go Wrong? It’s His Job to Know, Hauer is given a glowing write-up by journalist Randy Kennedy.

“There is one story he tells in which this fascination is quite literal….But another illustration, a bit more metaphorical, is hard to miss when you walk into his office on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, otherwise known as ”the bunker,” the $13 million bulletproof, hurricane-proof, blackout-proof emergency crisis center opened by the city last month.”

The article describes Building 7 for what it was, a structurally reinforced immovable object built for the express purpose of standing strong in a crisis situation, not the weakling tinderbox that allegedly became the first steel building in history to collapse from fire damage alone, according to debunkers like the BBC, the History Channel, Popular Mechanics and others.

Indeed, as the NY Times quotes Larry Silverstein as stating in 1989, WTC 7 designers “Built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building’s structural integrity,” a solid structure that was again improved upon that year with “More than 375 tons of steel - requiring 12 miles of welding.”

The article describes Hauer’s role, “As the city’s chief emergency manager, Mr. Hauer oversees the response to building collapses, of which there have been no shortage over the last three years.”

“For much of his professional life, it has been the task of Jerome M. Hauer, 47, to know a lot about how things work so that when they stop working — when they fall down, when they get blown down or blown up, when they freeze or burst or burn out — he knows what to do. Like all self-described emergency junkies, he sits around all day thinking up horrifying ways for things to be destroyed and people to die and then hoping that all his plans stay on the shelf.

Interesting therefore that Hauer would have his office in the middle of a 47-storey building that collapsed into its own footprint within 7 seconds in the late afternoon of 9/11 having been hit by minimal debris and suffering limited fire damage.

The article emphasizes the emergencies Hauer would list in his resume that he was an expert on, “Helicopter crash, subway fire, water main break, ice storm, heat wave, blackout, building collapse, building collapse, building collapse.”

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, Hauer appeared on CBS News with Dan Rather and immediately set about crafting a surprisingly affirmative explanation for the events and spun a yarn that soon became the official story.

Hauer was suspiciously keen to stress that the buildings were not demolished by explosives but by the planes that hit them, despite this being a complete reversal of what chief WTC architects and designers had concluded during studies about the impact of planes into the twin towers beforehand.

Hauer also pointed the finger directly at Bin Laden as the script began to unfold.

“[M]y sense is that just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building that burned, that the velocity of the plane certainly had an impact on the structure itself. And then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat probably weakened the structure as well. And I think it was simply the planes hitting the buildings and causing the collapse,” Hauer told Rather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVFWevtIyk&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=326

Rather also asks Hauer if the attacks could have been carried out without state sponsorship. Hauer replies: “I’m not sure I agree that this is necessarily state-sponsored. It… certainly has the fingerprints of somebody like bin Laden.”

Hauer was surprisingly “accurate” with his foreknowledge of how the official story would later appear to confirm all of his initial presumptions despite the chaos surrounding the attacks in the hours after they took place.

On 9/11, Hauer was Managing Director of Kroll Associates, a security firm intertwined with the military-industrial complex that was also coincidentally in charge of security for the entire World Trade Center complex on that fateful day.

Furthermore, it was Hauer that reportedly advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax, on the very day of 9/11 and one week before the first anthrax letter was received.

Two months after 9/11, Hauer was part of a Council on Foreign Relations panel that released a document entitled Independent Task Force on America’s Response to Terrorism, which in part called for alternative explanations behind 9/11 to be countered.

Hauer’s almost instant and precise summation of the cause of building collapses that were completely unprecedented in history, along with his “expertise” in the characteristics of controlled demolition, in addition to his foreknowledge of the anthrax attacks and his position with Kroll Associates, justifiably continue to attract interest amongst researchers in the 9/11 truth movement.

Imagine that.... :P

Evanescence

07-14-2008, 09:46 AM

yeh, anyone who wants to see how the official story was pumped intot he media...check out this Video. Three instances of how within minutes of the attack..these people making claims as if they're experts....all pointing to Bin Laden and the official story.

In one case, we have a guy who is obviosuly reading a report that talks about Bin laden and terrorism but the attack just happened. Who the heck wrote this so fast and on the spot? And with all kinds of details from the US Govts past of trying to catch him...

Very suspiscious...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVFWevtIyk&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=3264