The Dark Knight

[middletree]

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/16155928/review/21477208/the_dark_knight

The first review I have read so far. I hope to see this at the local IMAX.

[Debbie]

I cannot wait! Corrine will be at my house then, if she doesn't want to see it, I'm leaving her home with the family :)

[Healing Oil]

I am so torn about seeing it. I loved Christian Bale in Batman Begins but, man I don't know. The whole Heath Ledger thing really gives me the heeby jeebies. When I see trailers for the movie I get goose bumps.

It looks really good though...:confused:

[sandie]

You can imagine how we Aussies feel. We followed his career and Heath Ledger was one of our best actors. :(

[Healing Oil]

You can imagine how we Aussies feel. We followed his career and Heath Ledger was one of our best actors. :(

Well this being his last movie, I think it will do his name proud. I have heard remarkable reviews about his performance.

[sandie]

So have I.

[pamcharlie]

I really like heath ledger and due to his untimely death i am going to avoid this movie since there is something about the poster that and what i have seen from the movie that gives me the shudders , it could of been that there had been something that took place in the production that caused heath do want he did .

[Howlin' Wolf]

Heath Ledger would want all to see this movie.

SO GO SEE IT!!!!!

[EmmoGomer]

it could of been that there had been something that took place in the production that caused heath do want he did .

I don't know why you are saying this. As far as we all know Heath's death was an unfortunate accident.

I am hoping this second film with Christian Bale playing Bruce Wayne is better than the first one. I was disappointed. It may have been that I wasn't in the right mood when watching Batman Begins......but.....dare I say it.....I was a bit bored :eek:!!! I confess I had had a few glasses of vino though :o

[cheewiee]

I don't know why you are saying this. As far as we all know Heath's death was an unfortunate accident.

I am hoping this second film with Christian Bale playing Bruce Wayne is better than the first one. I was disappointed. It may have been that I wasn't in the right mood when watching Batman Begins......but.....dare I say it.....I was a bit bored :eek:!!! I confess I had had a few glasses of vino though :o

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Did you just say you didn't like Batman Begins?!?!?!?!?! Did you say you were a bit bored?!?!?!?!?!? Batman Begins, at this time, is the BEST superhero movie ever released, and I fancy myself as a Superman fan...

Atleast now I know not to read your take on movies.....:eek:

[middletree]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Did you just say you didn't like Batman Begins?!?!?!?!?! Did you say you were a bit bored?!?!?!?!?!? Batman Begins, at this time, is the BEST superhero movie ever released, and I fancy myself as a Superman fan...

Atleast now I know not to read your take on movies.....:eek:

I agree with her, if that's what she said. I was somewhere between bored and barely interested in Batman Begins. The first Tim Burton one did a much better job of getting my attention.

[cheewiee]

I agree with her, if that's what she said. I was somewhere between bored and barely interested in Batman Begins. The first Tim Burton one did a much better job of getting my attention.

Perhaps if you are into latex.....

The Burton Batman, was still camp, granted not as bad as the TV show, but it was still borderline cartoonish. Nolan's Batman, is much more developed, and thought out...

And if you thought this movie was a bore, I would hate to hear what you thought about when you saw the Godfather.

[middletree]

Perhaps if you are into latex.....

I was talking about the story and acting, not the clothing.

The Burton Batman, was still camp

I disagree. It was fully as dark as the comic.

Nolan's Batman, is much more developed, and thought out...
I don't agree, but if it works for you...

And if you thought this movie was a bore, I would hate to hear what you thought about when you saw the Godfather.

I have owned that movie for years, but never seen it.

[Jason]

Jason agrees with Jason.

[EmmoGomer]

I am willing to watch Batman Begins again with a clearer head. But I just really felt that the beginning of the movie was very slow.
Looking forward to seeing Heath as The Joker - this one looks like it'll have more action from the start.

Don't shoot me down Jason, I was only giving my thoughts.

[Jason]

Since I'm the other Jason, can I shoot you down? ;)

[EmmoGomer]

If you feel the need Jason.....but be gentle ;) :D

[Debbie]

You can imagine how we Aussies feel. We followed his career and Heath Ledger was one of our best actors. :(

One of ours also. Actors come along, their box office Hot, make a few good movies then vanish, can't even act good any longer. Heath on the other hand, was just getting started, of course making great movies along the way. IMO, he should have been the headlining star of this flick. I believe his performance will out do them all, and I mean that for all the Batman movies.

[sandie]

I'm looking forward to seeing this movie, as I've seen quite a few of the recent series. (My son owns them all.) :)

For us, Heath Ledger has been around for quite a few years, even playing the bushranger Ned Kelly in a movie.

[Jason]

I'm looking forward to seeing this movie, as I've seen quite a few of the recent series. (My son owns them all.) :)


There's only one in the recent series ... Batman Begins. :confused:

[sandie]

Michael has a few. Maybe two series? I have seen Batman Begins, as well as a couple of others, but some time ago.

[Jason]

Michael has a few. Maybe two series? I have seen Batman Begins, as well as a couple of others, but some time ago.

The Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher-directed Batman movies (starring Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney) are one series* and the Christopher Nolan-directed Batman movies (starring Christian Bale) are another series.

*some contend the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher movies are two different series.

[sandie]

That sounds about right, Jason. Thanks.

[lilmikey]

I am willing to watch Batman Begins again with a clearer head. But I just really felt that the beginning of the movie was very slow.
Looking forward to seeing Heath as The Joker - this one looks like it'll have more action from the start.

Don't shoot me down Jason, I was only giving my thoughts.

I can agree with this

[Howlin' Wolf]

how was it slow? it showed him learning kung fu and building the bat cave!?!

i could watch a 22 hour marathon on just how the bat cave was assembled!

[Howlin' Wolf]

The Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher-directed Batman movies (starring Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney) are one series* and the Christopher Nolan-directed Batman movies (starring Christian Bale) are another series.

*some contend the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher movies are two different series.

I used to hate Joel Schumacher for what he did to the batman movies. But now i realize that without his utter stupidity that we wouldnt have such great comic book movies. He set the bar on how to not make a successful franchise.

[lilmikey]

I used to hate Joel Schumacher for what he did to the batman movies. But now i realize that without his utter stupidity that we wouldnt have such great comic book movies. He set the bar on how to not make a successful franchise.

Batman and Robin was bad. But Batman Forever wasn't too terrible. I prefer the new Batman series. It is a truer Batman. More believable may I add also.


I have read and someone also told me that there will be no Penguin because that character is so unbelievible and unrealstic. This series is a more real batman. Whereas the other ones were so cartoonish and unreal. Of course I know its just a comic book but batman has to be the most realistic superhero IMO.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

When it's directed by the very same person who directed Memento, where can you go wrong??

[Howlin' Wolf]

When it's directed by the very same person who directed Memento, where can you go wrong??

pure genius!

[EmmoGomer]

Ya see I LOVED Momento - so I have got some taste ;)!!!
We have the 3 DVD version which has the film the 'right' way round. It is a fantastic film. Hmmmmmmmm makes me want to watch it again!!

[HPE89]

I like "Batman Begins", but I'm not excited about seeing "The Dark Knight"...I just don't think it will be too great...

[mcgreen311]

how was it slow? it showed him learning kung fu and building the bat cave!?!

i could watch a 22 hour marathon on just how the bat cave was assembled!

*cough* nerd *cough*

I like "Batman Begins", but I'm not excited about seeing "The Dark Knight"...I just don't think it will be too great...

I don't know... At least from the clips, Heath Ledger is unrecognizable as himself, which to me is a mark of a good actor. That alone should make it at least a little exciting (allowing for personal opinion of course).

[Jason]

I like "Batman Begins", but I'm not excited about seeing "The Dark Knight"...I just don't think it will be too great...

Weird. I assumed that people that liked Batman Begins would love The Dark Knight.

[Jason]

Ya see I LOVED Momento - so I have got some taste ;)!!!


Never heard of Momento. Is that some Portuguese movie? ;)

[HPE89]

Weird. I assumed that people that liked Batman Begins would love The Dark Knight.

Really? I think it looks weird! The whole Joker thing is kinda creepy, and what's-her-name isn't even playing Rachel anymore! :mad: *Katie Holmes
So,...I mean I'll see it some time, but I'm not going to the theater or anything(I don't think ;) )!

[HPE89]

*cough* nerd *cough*



I don't know... At least from the clips, Heath Ledger is unrecognizable as himself, which to me is a mark of a good actor. That alone should make it at least a little exciting (allowing for personal opinion of course).

I guess so...I'm just not convinced that I will really like it...

[Jason]

Really? I think it looks weird! The whole Joker thing is kinda creepy, and what's-her-name isn't even playing Rachel anymore! :mad: *Katie Holmes
So,...I mean I'll see it some time, but I'm not going to the theater or anything(I don't think ;) )!

Joker is creepy and an iconic Batman Villain.

And I am glad Katie isn't in it. I disowned her (she's from my hometown) after she married Tom Cruise (ick!). Plus, Maggie Gyllenhaal is a much better actress.

[HPE89]

Joker is creepy and an iconic Batman Villain.

And I am glad Katie isn't in it. I disowned her (she's from my hometown) after she married Tom Cruise (ick!). Plus, Maggie Gyllenhaal is a much better actress.


Hmmm...well, I'm interested! I've never seen Maggie Gyllenhaal in anything...well, I like Katie Holmes AS Rachel - I don't think we'd like hardly any actors/actresses in "real life". ;)

[sandie]

Joker is creepy and an iconic Batman Villain.

And I am glad Katie isn't in it. I disowned her (she's from my hometown) after she married Tom Cruise (ick!). Plus, Maggie Gyllenhaal is a much better actress.

And we disowned Tom when he divorced Nicole Kidman!

[Jason]

And we disowned Tom when he divorced Nicole Kidman!

Don't know why you ever claimed him. Ick.

[lilmikey]

Don't know why you ever claimed him. Ick.

I never really did like Tom Cruise. I did however like the MI movies

[Howlin' Wolf]

*cough* nerd *cough*




DIDNT YOU TELL ME THAT YOU HAVE A CRUSH ON NERDS

[Healing Oil]

*cough* nerd *cough*



I don't know... At least from the clips, Heath Ledger is unrecognizable as himself, which to me is a mark of a good actor. That alone should make it at least a little exciting (allowing for personal opinion of course).
I saw some snip-it previews prior to his death, and at that time I had no idea who the actor playing The Joker was...

[EmmoGomer]

Whoops - spelt Memento wrong :o. Here's a link Jason:-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/

It really is a fab film Jason if you haven't seen it.

[Jason]

Whoops - spelt Memento wrong :o. Here's a link Jason:-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/

It really is a fab film Jason if you haven't seen it.

I saw Memento. It was "okay." And Momento is a Portuguese film.

[sandie]

Don't know why you ever claimed him. Ick.

We only claimed him because he married an Aussie and spent some time here. :P

[Jason]

We only claimed him because he married an Aussie and spent some time here. :P

It's funny how two of your most famous Aussie actors were born in America ... Kidman (Hawaii) and Mel Gibson (New York). Then there's the Kiwi actors Australia claims ... Russell Crowe and Ireland-born Sam Neill.

And to keep this from a hijacking ... at least Heath was actually born in Australia.

[mcgreen311]

DIDNT YOU TELL ME THAT YOU HAVE A CRUSH ON NERDS

The watermelon and strawberry ones! Don't shout at me!

I saw Memento. It was "okay." And Momento is a Portuguese film.

I liked Memento. Couldn't figure out the special features on the DVD to save my life, though.

And to keep this from a hijacking ... at least Heath was actually born in Australia.

And it seems to be pretty well hijacked. We can re-rail it once everyone sees the movie, though. I'm just glad it's not the same date as The X-files. Sorry, Dark Knight.

[bholdj]

is ras a goul's daughter in this one? Or are they leaving it to the joker and batman?

[sandie]

It's funny how two of your most famous Aussie actors were born in America ... Kidman (Hawaii) and Mel Gibson (New York). Then there's the Kiwi actors Australia claims ... Russell Crowe and Ireland-born Sam Neill.

And to keep this from a hijacking ... at least Heath was actually born in Australia.

They all grew up in Australia, or moved to Oz as an adult, so we can claim them. :P I'm not sure where Sam Neill is living these days.

[AtlBraves]

is ras a goul's daughter in this one? Or are they leaving it to the joker and batman?

Its the Joker and Batman. But Two-Face apparantly has a role in it to. According to IMDB.

I cannot wait to see this movie. Batman Begins blew all the stupid cartoonish Batmans that were made earlier. And Ledgers Joker should win him a post death award from what I heard. He too is gonna blow Jack Nicholson's Joker away.

I don't care if I don't see another movie this year after this I am seeing this movie.

[Mr.Supervious]

i have special movie premiere tickets to see it tomorrow!!! woohoo!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Evanescence]

They're talking OSCAR Nom for Heath...as one of the greatest bad guys ever...

The movie will surely kick azz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[kiwisongbird]

I thought Sam Neill was a kiwi - my bad I guess...

Oh well, never mind - it was a kiwi who first split the atom, a kiwi who did the first powered flight (before the Wright bros), a kiwi who invented traffic lights, a kiwi who invented the spring clip clothes pegs (pins), a kiwi who wrote Rocky Horror Picture Show, a kiwi who first climbed Mount Everest and the list goes on... :) :) :) :)

[Jason]

I thought Sam Neill was a kiwi - my bad I guess...

Oh well, never mind - it was a kiwi who first split the atom, a kiwi who did the first powered flight (before the Wright bros), a kiwi who invented traffic lights, a kiwi who invented the spring clip clothes pegs (pins), a kiwi who wrote Rocky Horror Picture Show, a kiwi who first climbed Mount Everest and the list goes on... :) :) :) :)

Sam Neill is a Kiwi, born in Ireland.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

The second installment looks fantastic. I watched Batman Begins last night to catch up and am just about ready to duck out and see The Dark Knight while everyone else is watching the Pope.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

[Mr.Supervious]

The Dark Knight was really really good :) really good acting and storyline :)

[Aussie3rddayfan]

What was The Dark Knight like?

Disturbing; sadistic; but strangely captivating. You could have cut the intensity in the theatre with a knife.

Heath Ledger's performance was utterly brilliant. One of the best acting performances I think I have seen. He made everyone in the theatre think they were next...

Christian Bale was impressive as well.

Oh, and don't let your kids see it.

[Debbie]

The "Joker" is Wild! Amazingly brilliant acting by Heath Ledger. His performance totally dominated the entire show. I don't recall waiting to see batman enter the room, but when he did, it was very cool how he did.

Hats off to the Joker...they'll never be another like him.

No worries about falling asleep in this one, you won't, no matter what time you go to see it.;)

[WeaselInYerFoot]

I envy your faces for already seeing it! Sadly, I won't be able to until Sunday :(.

[Howlin' Wolf]

absolutely amazing!

[Corrine]

Debbie and I went to the midnight showing. I wasn't so sure it was such a great idea at first, but man! Seeing it then just added to the excitement! I can't wait to see it again!

For the record, I was one who didn't want to see this because of how satanic Heath's Joker looked in the previews. I hadn't seen the first one either, even though I do like Christian Bale. But Debbie wanted to go, so we made it part of our "Corrine and Debbie's Week of Fun!" (Friends TV show reference) I watched the first movie last week with my family. It was better than the other Batman movies, but I wasn't thrilled. I've seen Christian Bale do a much better job in roles where he didn't have to be so stiff. And I'm not digging the playboy jerk Bruce Wayne. But, it was entertaining.

I am hoping this second film with Christian Bale playing Bruce Wayne is better than the first one. I was disappointed. It may have been that I wasn't in the right mood when watching Batman Begins......but.....dare I say it.....I was a bit bored :eek:!!!

I somewhat agree. I was a little bored, too. But I wasn't giving it my full attention. I was watching with the computer in my lap. But there was nothing that really caught me about the movie. The Dark Knight, on the other hand, has such an amazing performance by Heath Ledger that I will see it again and again just to see him!

:confused:

Did you just say you didn't like Batman Begins?!?!?!?!?! Did you say you were a bit bored?!?!?!?!?!? Batman Begins, at this time, is the BEST superhero movie ever released, and I fancy myself as a Superman fan.. Don't you mean Spiderman is the best superhero movie ever released? Ha ha!!! I am SO kidding! But that is another thread. :rolleyes:

What was The Dark Knight like?

Disturbing; sadistic; but strangely captivating. You could have cut the intensity in the theatre with a knife.

Heath Ledger's performance was utterly brilliant. One of the best acting performances I think I have seen. He made everyone in the theatre think they were next...

Christian Bale was impressive as well.

Oh, and don't let your kids see it.

I agree with everything you said, especially the part about Heath making everyone in the theater think they were next. I couldn't put my finger on it until you said that, but you are so right! Not that I was scared, but that I could feel that any face you were seeing up on that screen could be next, anyone!

And yeah, I wouldn't take your kids to see it. There were some downright evil/violent parts. (I read that it got it's PG-13 rating for violence and "some menace". Some?!!) I do not like dark, evil feeling movies, and I didn't feel that from this movie.

The Joker is not a crazy man. He is deeply intelligent. His intelligence and his madness are his super powers. It is all a social experiment for him, and he is willing to take it as far as it can possibly go. I am not a fan of psychotic drama for the sake of a body count, but they way they did this, you were not even really aware how many people were dying and how many were just maimed, so it made it less evil feeling. I appreciate that.

Oh, I do know that the Joker killed *six* cops. :D Love that line! I also love the line when Bruce Wayne brought some suit modifications to Morgan Freeman, and Freeman said, "So you want to be able to move your head.":P I felt it was a shot at the original series.

Something else I noticed. Most of the buildings they were in had wide expanses of windows. Which made the movie scenes feel open and airy, which is usually consistent with a free, safe feeling. Yet the crime in the streets was horrifying. I love how they mixed the two together to create a more realistic feeling for the city of Gotham. Yes, crime is at an all time high. Yes, a mad man is running the streets. But life goes on, normal life, as best it can. Most movies like this, that I've seen anyway, the city is so futuristically dark and gothic, I guess to make it seem more fear filled. Yet this director was able to accomplish that leaving the city feeling as a normal city, which, I think is more terrifying. In the other movies, you think to yourself, "I'm safe. Things couldn't get that bad, or at least they aren't now. Our cities don't look like that." But with the way they did it for this movie, you ask yourself, "Is stuff like this going on now and we are just not aware?" It's brilliant!

I came home from the movie too excited to sleep and wrote my review on my Tumblr (http://www.corrineinreallife.tum blr.com), but I'll reprint it here. Keep in mind I wrote it at 4AM. ;) :D

The Dark Knight

I was all set to Twitter (http://www.twitter.com)about the experience Debbie and I had seeing The Dark Knight at the midnight showing. But Twitter is down, I think the fact that it’s 4:00 AM has just caught up with me. So I’m not going to go into it much. But you really just have to see it for yourself! It was the best action film I’ve seen in a long time! The chase scenes were smooth. The fights weren’t long drawn out affairs as they can be in some movies. The explosions were enormous! And Heath Ledger was beyond amazing, he really was.

It’s been a super long time since I walked out of a theater with that same feeling I have when I leave the concert of one of my favorite bands, but I did tonight (this morning)! If Debbie didn’t have to work tomorrow … I mean, today, we’d have gone to the theater that was playing it all Knight long (that’s how they are spelling it) and watched it again!

I’ve never really been a big Heath Ledger fan. I didn’t like his first few movies. But then he started to grow on me. I think it was The Brothers Grimm where I first liked him. He has gotten better and better with each role. In The Dark Knight, I just ate up every second that he was on that screen! He was so good. He seemed to relish each word he had to say, savor each action he performed. I don’t think I’ve seen many performances as good as this. He was WOW! Or actually BIFF, POW, and KA-BOOM!!! I can’t wait to get the DVD and fast forward to just his parts. Oh man!

It makes me so sad that that is his last role. In the movie, the Joker says something to Batman like, “I think you and I will do this forever.” If only it were true. If only Heath Ledger were going to reprise his role in the next Batman movie. If only he had lived to receive the applause he so richly deserves for this work. If only …

I’m going to try to sleep now. I do say try, because I’m all hopped up on the Batman movie. But I think that since I’ve dumped it all here, I can probably sleep now. And I’ll probably dream of a tall figure in a cape and cowl, a slightly snarky English butler, and a psycho with make up smeared across his face, and that will be just fine with me. :)

[Aussie3rddayfan]

* SPOILERS *

Stop reading now if you haven't seen the movie.

My favourite line in the movie was between Morgan Freeman and the guy who tried to bribe him.

"Let me get this straight; you think one of the richest and most respected people in Gotham City is secretly a highly trained vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals with his bare hands; and your plan is to blackmail this man?"

Classic. The entire cinema cracked up.

[VerbumReale]

Saw it today and I loved it!! Heath Ledger was amazing, but really the whole cast was great.

Spoilers:

The ending deinitely hinted that there would be more but unlike Batman Begins there was no allusion to who the villain will be. The fact that the one guy had allegedly figured out Batman's identity sort of hints at the possibility of Riddler. That was something that happened in the comics with Riddler.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Saw it today and I loved it!! Heath Ledger was amazing, but really the whole cast was great.

Spoilers:

The ending deinitely hinted that there would be more but unlike Batman Begins there was no allusion to who the villain will be. The fact that the one guy had allegedly figured out Batman's identity sort of hints at the possibility of Riddler. That was something that happened in the comics with Riddler.

That is certainly possible. Let's wait and see.

[mcgreen311]

Oh, and don't let your kids see it.

When I saw it, there were kids probably as young as 7 there. Um...probably a little disturbing for a 7 year old. Comic movie does not equal kiddie movie. With that said, I'm glad a lot of the disturbing scenes were merely implied. I'm a wuss when it comes to that, and I really didn't want to see anyone "smile."

Something else I noticed. Most of the buildings they were in had wide expanses of windows. Which made the movie scenes feel open and airy, which is usually consistent with a free, safe feeling. Yet the crime in the streets was horrifying. I love how they mixed the two together to create a more realistic feeling for the city of Gotham. Yes, crime is at an all time high. Yes, a mad man is running the streets. But life goes on, normal life, as best it can. Most movies like this, that I've seen anyway, the city is so futuristically dark and gothic, I guess to make it seem more fear filled. Yet this director was able to accomplish that leaving the city feeling as a normal city, which, I think is more terrifying. In the other movies, you think to yourself, "I'm safe. Things couldn't get that bad, or at least they aren't now. Our cities don't look like that." But with the way they did it for this movie, you ask yourself, "Is stuff like this going on now and we are just not aware?" It's brilliant!

I noticed that too, although because of the open, airy feel and expanded daylight scenes, the movie felt less literally and metaphorically dark to me than BB. Plus there were no scenes of the Narrows and the asylum. That was more disturbing to me.

Which reminds me: slight *spoiler*









The Scarecrow seemed a little calmer than last we saw him. Perhaps his "meds" wore off a bit?

[Corrine]

Saw it today and I loved it!! Heath Ledger was amazing, but really the whole cast was great.

Spoilers:

The ending deinitely hinted that there would be more but unlike Batman Begins there was no allusion to who the villain will be. The fact that the one guy had allegedly figured out Batman's identity sort of hints at the possibility of Riddler. That was something that happened in the comics with Riddler.

Spoiler:

That guy's name is Mr. Reese. Get it? Mysteries. Maybe the new name for Ed Nygma?

I think they alluded to the fact that the Joker would be back. He is Batman's nemesis. But I cannot fathom of another actor portraying him now.

[pamcharlie]

Sorry I am not seeing this since last week when a friend and i saw the trailer i thought no way .

[Howlin' Wolf]

Sorry I am not seeing this since last week when a friend and i saw the trailer i thought no way .

you arent going to see this because you and your friend saw the trailer?



I had read somewhere that Nolan did not want to use the Riddler. It will be interesting to see how they do a third one. They could still use the Joker, and while I couldnt see anyone doing a better job than Ledger, I could see someone effectively walking in his shoes and imitating his portrayal. I also think that Dent may be locked up in the basement of Arkham, away from the public, because I'm not sold that the fall killed him.

[Yippy]

As far as I'm concerned, Ledger's performance stealed the show.

Too be honest, I thought it might have been a lot of hype, because of his death. But after seeing it, the hype seems like an understatement. He was riveting. Not caring if I ever saw a Batman movie, I went to see his performance, and ended up having a blast. Speaking of blast, I thought the bazillion blow-ups were a bit over the top, but I guess that comes with the territory.

Oh, and you can't go wrong with Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman.

[rossid]

Okay for once I've read ALMOST all of a thread before posting.

Thoughts in my usual random order:

Anthony Michael Hall (Sixteen Candles, etc.) plays reporter Mike Engel who is about to interview Mr. Reece?

My wife's fave are the Godfather movies.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/921029

Do not bring kids.

Do not bring kids

Do not bring kids.

So what is a kid? You make the call. The young ones yelling in the front row during intense parts MAY have been 11. The third time someone yelled at them to shut up.

I saw it with my 14 y.o. because no friends were available. My 16 y.o. wouldn't do anything like go to a moview with me.

It was so intense! Told a friend that I saw afterward that I needed thereapy. I was in the restroom one hour into it. I couldn't believe there was an hour and a half left. My son kept looking at my watch but I don't do that. I can't believe Corrine going to bed after seeing it. I'm going to have to flush my psyche with a popcorn movie.

Why would ledger be supporting actor and not best actor? Anyway that is what I had read in article where someone specifically mentioned the category. Most just say Oscar with no details. Picture of the year is mentioned too, perhaps by Ebert & Roeper.

Came back to add this edit. These teenagers, maybe 16, are talking and dropping f-bombs and all sorts of curse words 15 minutes before the show. Told my son that if the young ones were there I would have turned around with a stare. So this guy about my age says that this is a public place and they should not curse. I thanked the guy and they must have looked at the back of my head but it stopped.

[Yippy]

I can't believe Corrine going to bed after seeing it. I'm going to have to flush my psyche with a popcorn movie.
My psyche was just fine and I went right to bed. I didn't notice the evil as much as I noticed the honesty in the Joker. He was probably the most honest character. Maybe I should get my psyche checked!:D

Why would ledger be supporting actor and not best actor?

Supporting would be a farce. He danced circles around Christian Bale acting wise. (IMHO of course ;) )

[Howlin' Wolf]

My psyche was just fine and I went right to bed. I didn't notice the evil as much as I noticed the honesty in the Joker. He was probably the most honest character. Maybe I should get my psyche checked!:D



Supporting would be a farce. He danced circles around Christian Bale acting wise. (IMHO of course ;) )


i agree that Ledger was by far the star of the movie. But for Oscar purposes, He will get best supporting. Bale and Eckhart had more screen time, But Bale was the "star". Eckhart was amazing!

[rossid]

A friend pointed out some of the good non-PC questions.

Straight from PluggedInOnline.com(Focus on the Family):

The Dark Knight is a complex film with a myriad of messages. But at its most basic, the question it poses is this: To what lengths do good people go in order to conquer the worst sort of evil? Must they become a little evil themselves along the way?

"You got rules!" a broken mob boss tells Batman. "The Joker—he's got no rules!"

It's a pesky truism our heroes struggle with from the get-go. None of them escape unsullied. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain," says Dent. But it's when they refuse to compromise that the movie soars.

Dent starts as a bright knight—a blond, bold DA who aims to clean up Gotham's streets for good. Though there are ever-so-slight indications that he's not altogether wonderful (the boys at the station call him "Two Face"), he's sincere about his crime-fighting calling—a sincerity that wins over even billionaire-celebutant Bruce Wayne. "Gotham needs a hero with a face," Wayne says. One might say Dent and Batman are two sides of the same coin, Dent the unsullied face of incorruptibility and Batman the black-caped heavy. Dent even sacrifices his career and good name at one point to keep Batman out on the streets—a favor Batman returns.

Lt. Gordon, once Gotham's only honest police officer, has a wee bit of company nowadays, but he's still arguably the film's finest, prepared to sacrifice his own life for both his city and family.

Lucius Fox, head honcho at Wayne Enterprises, continues to play Q to Batman's Bond, keeping him supplied with a host of critical gizmos and gadgets. But while he's willing to cook the books to keep Batman's identity a secret, there are ethical places he won't go—at least not for very long. When the Dark Knight creates a gigantic sonar net by tapping into all of Gotham's cell phones (a hefty invasion of privacy), Fox tells him that either the machine goes or he does. "Spying on 30 million people isn't in my job description," he says—though he acquiesces to use it for one specialized mission.

The most heroic guy of the bunch (go figure) is Batman himself, willing to sacrifice everything that's precious to him for the sake of the city. He never, ever kills, and he rigidly keeps this special vow even when the Joker more than deserves death.

The citizens of Gotham also show a bit of gumption. When the Joker pits average Joes and Janes against convicted killers and thieves in a deathmatch of sorts, they manage to resist their selfish urges and risk everything to do the right thing. Humanity and its higher conscience survives even as the world burns down around it—much to the Joker's dismay.

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The Dark Knight poses and plays with ethical conundrums, most of which seem designed to push Batman, his allies and all of Gotham over the brink. "Madness, as you know, is like gravity," the Joker says. "All it takes is a little push."

The Joker succeeds in transforming Dent into a vicious villain with (quite literally) a two-sided face, and then sits back as his pet project flips that coin (one side now charred and scarred) to determine who dies and who lives. "The only morality in an amoral world is chance," Dent says.

Batman argues that the world's not governed by chance, but by choices. And when Dent dies, Batman makes the movie's most interesting choice of all: He takes the blame for the people Dent killed. He becomes, unjustly, a fugitive hated by the very people he's protecting.

"Sometimes, truth isn't good enough," Batman says. "Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded."

The decision, like Dent himself, shows us two faces.

On one side of it, Batman creates a lie—a flat-out fabrication that patronizingly presumes he knows what's best for Gotham's citizens, and that they're too fragile or shortsighted to accept the truth. In an age when we are all wary of lies, deceptions and governmental cover-ups, this kind of fabrication (well-meaning though it may be) feels especially wrong and, in any case, always violates one of God's core commandments: Don't lie.

On the other, Batman takes Dent's sin on his own shoulders, leaving the DA, in Gotham's eyes, pure and spotless and clean. Sound familiar? It can be read, at some level, as an echo of the sacrifice Christ—utterly innocent, yet humiliated and judged on our behalf—made for us.

One more thing to chew on: Batman, in Bruce Wayne's mind, is not a hero, but an ideal—a symbol for something greater. People, he muses in Batman Begins, are corruptible. Ideals are not. It stands to reason, then, that he would want to push Dent from corruptible man to incorruptible ideal—a symbol of something greater. "Gotham needs a hero with a face," Wayne says. And so he gives that hero to the city, willingly destroying his own reputation in the process.

Without a doubt, then, The Dark Knight is mesmerizing and thought-provoking. It's guaranteed to become a critical darling while scooping up a bazillion dollars at the box office. But its dark side cannot be ignored. The Chicago Tribune leads its review with this warning: "Sensational, grandly sinister and not for the kids." The New York Daily News tells us, "The PG-13 rating seems tame; this sucker is rough." You're seeing it advertised on everything from cereal boxes to candy bars, but that doesn't make Knight's violence, it's aura of menace, any more digestible. It's not just kids who'll walk out of the film shaken.

When you see Harvey Dent's new look for the first time, you barely notice his still pretty-boy right side. The left side—charred, unblinking, horrific—seems to fill the screen. And the same could be said for this movie. Yes, it's undeniably well-crafted. But it's a harsh creation, and by all rights shouldn't have been named after the good guy. The Dark Knight is the Joker's court, and he's not looking for a laugh.

[VerbumReale]

Spoiler:

That guy's name is Mr. Reese. Get it? Mysteries. Maybe the new name for Ed Nygma?




That has been brought up on other boards. I wouldn't be surprised but I don't necessarily think Coleman Reese will end up being the Riddler, but rather in the next film we may possibly find out that the person who gave Coleman Reese the information is the person who becomes the Riddler. In the comics there are different series with the riddler, some where his alter-ego is named Edward Nygma some where it's Edward Nashton. My guess would be to avoid any association with Jim Carrey's way over the top interpretation, Nolan would go with Nashton. If he goes with the Riddler, like with the Joker I am sure it's going to be a more sinister and dark version of the Riddler than we've seen before. I can't see the guy who played Coleman Reese pulling that off.

[VerbumReale]

i agree that Ledger was by far the star of the movie. But for Oscar purposes, He will get best supporting. Bale and Eckhart had more screen time, But Bale was the "star". Eckhart was amazing!


What determines whether someone qualifies for best actor and supporting actor category is a combo of screen time and amount of lines. There are of course cases where these standards may need to be bent such as when Holly Hunter won best actress for a non speaking role (I believe she played a deaf mute).

It has nothing to do with whether someone dances circles around their co-stars, it has to do with how much they are in the film. Although I disagree that Ledger danced circles around Bale. Ledger was of course amazing, but I thought Bale held his own just fine.

When Pulp Fiction was nominated there was some cries of racism because John Travolta was nominated for best actor and Samuel L Jackson for best supporting actor. Roger Ebert explained on his show that, although it was close, Travolta had enough lines to qualify for best actor while Samuel L Jackson barely missed.

When Richard Roeper reviewed the Dark Knight he said he wouldn't be surprised if Ledger was nominated for best supporting actor.

[VerbumReale]

you arent going to see this because you and your friend saw the trailer?



I had read somewhere that Nolan did not want to use the Riddler. It will be interesting to see how they do a third one. They could still use the Joker, and while I couldnt see anyone doing a better job than Ledger, I could see someone effectively walking in his shoes and imitating his portrayal. I also think that Dent may be locked up in the basement of Arkham, away from the public, because I'm not sold that the fall killed him.


I've also read that he has supposedly already cast Larry "curb your enthusiasm" David as the Riddler. Good golly I hope that's not true. I kind of hope he does have the Riddler after seeing Nolan's vision of the Joker I am very curious to see his vision of the Riddler. But Larry David?? I don't know.

I really hope they don't try to bring back Joker although I agree that it is definitely a possibility that two-face could very likely come back. I could see a reference to Joker from scenes in Arkham, perhaps overhearing his sadistic laugh, but actually bringing him back as primary role in the third film, I think would be a mistake.

Speculation is that the plot of the third film will be drawn largely from the Hush (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Hush) series, but probably not based upon it. Obviously it probably won't have the Metropolis elements but I could see where he could pull elements from that series, bring back two-face and bring in the Riddler.

[cheewiee]

While I agree, that Ledger did an AMAZING job... I think Christian Bale's performance, seems, well overlooked...

In the Past 20 years, we have had 4 different men play the caped crusader... We had Michael Keaton, who did a good Job playing Bruce Wayne, but a God Awful Batman, we had Val Kilmer who made for a good Batman, but horrible Bruce Wayne, and George Clooney, who almost killed his career with his dismal outing as Batman/Bruce Wayne.

The only person to effectivly capture the essence of The Dark Knight is Bale. He plays all three sides of this character in an awesome, believable way. He is an Intense, commited Batman, He plays the "Playboy Bruce Wayne" brilliantly, and then, when you get him alone with Alfred, Lucus, and Rachel, you see the true Bruce Wayne. The one who knows that his life is really not his own, and that he alone can and will become whatever he needs to become to save Gotham. Bale effectivly plays these three personalities in a seamless yet distinct style.

[Yippy]

It has nothing to do with whether someone dances circles around their co-stars, it has to do with how much they are in the film. Although I disagree that Ledger danced circles around Bale. Ledger was of course amazing, but I thought Bale held his own just fine.


I still think Ledger danced circles around Bale and didn't really notice anyone else in the film (well, except Morgan Freeman & Michael Caine who are two of my favorite actors). Also, it seemed to me that Ledger had more lines & screen time. I think he had magnificent lines and performed the part perfectly without overacting. If it's amount of lines & screen time that determine a best actor nod, then so be it. I never thought of him as a supporting character in this movie. He was a lead character along with Bale, imo. I never said Bale didn't hold his own, I just didn't find him exceptional. I do like the character of Batman better in this film, though, and think he did fine with it.

I'm going to go see this movie again for sure.

[VerbumReale]

I still think Ledger danced circles around Bale and didn't really notice anyone else in the film (well, except Morgan Freeman & Michael Caine who are two of my favorite actors). Also, it seemed to me that Ledger had more lines & screen time. I think he had magnificent lines and performed the part perfectly without overacting. If it's amount of lines & screen time that determine a best actor nod, then so be it. I never thought of him as a supporting character in this movie. He was a lead character along with Bale, imo. I never said Bale didn't hold his own, I just didn't find him exceptional. I do like the character of Batman better in this film, though, and think he did fine with it.

I'm going to go see this movie again for sure.


If he's not considered lead, it's gotta be pretty close. He probably is right on the border. Either way I am sure he will get nominated.

And a few more thoughts about your comparison. I don't want to beat a dead horse and of course you are entitled to your opinion and of course your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. But I think it's kind of hard to compare the two performances because they were two different roles. And let's face it, as compelling a character as Batman is, Joker is far more compelling and interesting. So while I agree that Ledger's was the stronger and more standout performance, I personally feel that Ledger was also playing a more interesting and compelling character and so he had better material to work with.

[Yippy]

Yeah, I thought about that.

[Dolores]

I just saw it and I have to say I was blown away by Heath Ledger. I have never seen Brokeback Mountain, but to me this was his best performance ever!

[The Unknown Gomer]

Just saw this one this afternoon, and was completely blown away by it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally felt like I'd been put through the wringer (in a good way) by the end of it.

Once it gets started, which is essentially almost immediately, it doesn't quit for the whole 2 and a half-ish hours. I was exhausted after it was over.

And definitely, see it in IMAX if you can. Someone had said that a couple of scenes were shot specifically in IMAX format, but if the number of times it switched from standard wide screen to full IMAX screen format was any indication of how much was actually shot in IMAX format, a LOT of the movie was shot that way. And it looked fantastic, some of the wide angle city shots from the air actually made me a little dizzy, they had so much depth.

And Heath Ledger as the Joker. Man, up until a few weeks ago, when the buzz got started about a possible Oscar nomination for this one, I'd actually forgotten that he was in this movie. Then I started looking at the preview commercials for it, going "THAT's Heath Ledger?!?" Had I not known ahead of time, I'd never have guessed it was him. What an acting job. Absolutely diabolical.

I've not been a big fan of any of the Batman movies, up until watching Doug's Batman Begins DVD a few weeks ago, the last one I'd seen was the first Batman that had Michael Keaton in it. I thought it was okay, but it didn't impress me enough to bother watching any of the others. But I knew D. was gung ho to see TDK so to have a clue as to what was going on in the new one, I watched Batman Begins with him. Loved it. :cool: And was more than ready to watch Dark Knight with him this weekend.

But as several earlier posts mentioned, this is NOT a kids' movie. It's really REALLY intense. If your kids want to see a Batman movie, get them the one with Adam West from 1966. Absolutely hilarious. And a lot more kid friendly than this one.

Anyone else wonder if Christian Bale needed a throat lozenge for his throat after shooting his parts as Batman? His voice was so much lower and scratchy-er than when he was just doing Bruce Wayne, it just sounded like it had to have hurt afterwards.

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Some general random thought-age about the movie...


Heath Ledger made for ONE ugly nurse! :eek: :D That was one of my favorite scenes though, when the button on his remote gets stuck and he keeps clicking-clicking-clicking it until he FINALLY gets the earth shattering kaboom that he's looking for.

And the special effects on Aaron Eckhart's face! :eek: Very creepy.

And when the Joker is in the jail and finally gets his one phone call. :eek: I just had a feeling exactly where that phone was going to ring.

And anyone else just cringe each time the Joker would ask the next victim "...want to know how I got these scars?" :eek:

Loved the one opening scene in the bank with William Fitchner when he comes out from behind his desk and starts blasting away.

And given the way the Joker switched addresses for the Rachel rescue, was anyone else expecting to have the detonators on the ferry boats actually be rigged to NOT blow up the other boat, but their own? Never got to find that out, but it wouldn't be out of character for the Joker to TELL them that they'd be blowing up the other boat, but in reality they'd actually be blowing up their own.

And my favorite audience comment... "why couldn't they have killed off Rachel when she was still Katie Holmes?" LOL. :P

[SavingGrace]

I'm coming onto this late, since we saw this last Saturday, but I have a difficult time putting into words what I thought about The Dark Knight.

Firstly, rarely do films with so much hype and anticipation actually live up to it all. This one lives up and goes beyond, IMHO. It's been a while since a movie has left me so impressed, and I'm certainly not complaining! I'm not even into the whole Batman franchise (Ask a friend of mine and my nephew both, who will tell you it was like pulling teeth just to get me to watch Begins), since most comic films contain copious amounts of cheese, but you don't even have to be a fan of the genre to appreciate this movie.

I also want to say that I'm just jumping on what I've come to call the 'Post-humus Ledger bandwagon'; I went to TDK simply because the trailers had me sold on it, period. Before that, I had just known his name, but hadn't really seen any of his work. That being said, his performance as the Joker is everything critics say it is, and I've not been this blown away by a performance since Sean Astin in Return of the King. Yeah, two completely different characters, I know :P but I'm still just as impressed. Despite the movie being named after Batman, this is Joker's movie, and I plan to see it at least once more. My only lament is that I'm stuck with a regular theater since the nearest IMAX is over two hours away, pooey.

Also I might add that Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman prove to be quite the scene-stealers here, don't they? Didn't realize just how much Lt. Gordon had grown on me until . . . well, I won't spoil it since I'm not sure if everyone reading has seen it yet. Michael Cane's character is likable enough, but I have a hard time just trying to see him as Alfred since he portrayed such a loathsome creep in Quills. Yes, I watched Quills. *dodges tomatoes and scandalous stares*

And previous posters are right, poor Bale does seem to get overlooked in all the praise for Ledger's Joker. However, he does a fine job at portraying a character who, unlike most 'supers', finds his alter ego in his actual self, and not the man in the mask and cape.

[Corrine]

I had read somewhere that Nolan did not want to use the Riddler. It will be interesting to see how they do a third one. They could still use the Joker, and while I couldnt see anyone doing a better job than Ledger, I could see someone effectively walking in his shoes and imitating his portrayal. I also think that Dent may be locked up in the basement of Arkham, away from the public, because I'm not sold that the fall killed him.
I agree that Dent is not dead, but I don't like the character of Two-Face enough to want to see him back. The fact that the Joker wears make up surely would make it easier to bring him back, but it certainly wouldn't be in the next movie, out of respect to Ledger and to avoid the controversy . . . or maybe they would just for the controversy. Controversy = press.

Oh, and you can't go wrong with Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman.
And to think, you almost mowed Morgan Freeman down with your car! :D (Seriously, she almost hit him one day. :P )

My psyche was just fine and I went right to bed. I didn't notice the evil as much as I noticed the honesty in the Joker. He was probably the most honest character. Maybe I should get my psyche checked!:D When I saw the trailer, I thought it would be very dark, feel very evil, but it wasn't at all, at least, not to me.

I agree, I loved the honesty of the Joker, how he thought, that he was conducting a social experiment and he was willing to put his life on the line to prove his point, "Hit me! I want you to!" because he knew he was right.

That has been brought up on other boards. I wouldn't be surprised but I don't necessarily think Coleman Reese will end up being the Riddler, but rather in the next film we may possibly find out that the person who gave Coleman Reese the information is the person who becomes the Riddler. In the comics there are different series with the riddler, some where his alter-ego is named Edward Nygma some where it's Edward Nashton. My guess would be to avoid any association with Jim Carrey's way over the top interpretation, Nolan would go with Nashton. If he goes with the Riddler, like with the Joker I am sure it's going to be a more sinister and dark version of the Riddler than we've seen before. I can't see the guy who played Coleman Reese pulling that off. Good points!

What determines whether someone qualifies for best actor and supporting actor category is a combo of screen time and amount of lines. I always thought it depended on billing. Christian Bale is Batman, therefore, he is the lead actor. Heath Ledger is sort of a guest star on Batman's movie, so he may be the supporting actor. But that's just what I've always assumed.


In the Past 20 years, we have had 4 different men play the caped crusader... We had Michael Keaton, who did a good Job playing Bruce Wayne, but a God Awful Batman, we had Val Kilmer who made for a good Batman, but horrible Bruce Wayne, and George Clooney, who almost killed his career with his dismal outing as Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Bruce Wayne/Batman is a very stiff character. I almost feel sorry for the actors who portray him. I thought Bale did a good job, but he didn't really have much to work with, IMHO.

My favorite Batman is Adam West! :cool: Come to think of it, maybe that's what Batman is missing. I like my superheros to have more of a sense of humor. When The Joker said he liked that Rachel had spirit, and that he liked that, I loved it when Batman punched him and said, "Then you're going to love me!" I wish he'd have had more lines like that.

Just saw this one this afternoon, and was completely blown away by it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally felt like I'd been put through the wringer (in a good way) by the end of it. That's what's missing the 2nd and 3rd time you see it, the tension. It's not as impactful when you know what happens. But it's still good, because of the Joker!


And definitely, see it in IMAX if you can. Someone had said that a couple of scenes were shot specifically in IMAX format, but if the number of times it switched from standard wide screen to full IMAX screen format was any indication of how much was actually shot in IMAX format, a LOT of the movie was shot that way.

I heard it was six IMAX scenes. The waiter we talked to for about 15 minutes about the movie, who goes to film school by the way, said when he saw it at the IMAX it switched back and forth, and I see it did for you, too. That was what I was expecting, but at the IMAX we went to, it didn't. The whole movie was full IMAX screen!!! It was awesome!!!

And given the way the Joker switched addresses for the Rachel rescue, was anyone else expecting to have the detonators on the ferry boats actually be rigged to NOT blow up the other boat, but their own? Never got to find that out, but it wouldn't be out of character for the Joker to TELL them that they'd be blowing up the other boat, but in reality they'd actually be blowing up their own.

Okay, I am admitting right here that I am so stupid! I could not figure out how or why Batman and the Commissioner switched who they were going to save. Never occurred to me that the Joker gave them the wrong addresses. But now that I know this, I see what you mean about the boats!

I CANNOT WAIT until the DVD comes out! I hope it is full of deleted scenes! Lots and lots of awesome Joker footage that they didn't use because the movie was already too long. I want more!!!

[The Unknown Gomer]

...My favorite Batman is Adam West! :cool: Come to think of it, maybe that's what Batman is missing. I like my superheros to have more of a sense of humor. ...

...I heard it was six IMAX scenes. The waiter we talked to for about 15 minutes about the movie, who goes to film school by the way, said when he saw it at the IMAX it switched back and forth, and I see it did for you, too. That was what I was expecting, but at the IMAX we went to, it didn't. The whole movie was full IMAX screen!!! It was awesome!!!

We watched the 1966 Batman movie (Doug said it came between season one and season 2 of the series with Adam West) Saturday night to kind of prep for seeing Dark Knight yesterday (going from one end of the Batman spectrum to the other, from completely lighthearted, corny, and dated to dark, serious and modern) and if you've not seen that one, Corrine, you really MUST! It's absolutely hilarious. Some of the one liners that they came up with were classics.

Doug didn't notice the change overs from standard screen to IMAX while we were watching, he said he was too busy being engrossed in the movie to notice the technical stuff. But I got my degree in tv/film production way back when, so I've always been on the lookout for any cool technical stuff or cinematography in movies. And as soon as I heard that they mixed the two types of screen size for the IMAX version, I was on the lookout for it before the movie even started. Fortunately it wasn't too much of a distraction, I just made a mental note about it that it happened and went on from there. Those full screen shots were amazing though. It's not often that an IMAX movie makes me dizzy (probably not since Speed, one of the first IMAX movies that I ever saw), but those full scene vistas when Batman is flying though, *urp!*, just a little momentary vertigo. Very cool. :cool:

[AtlBraves]

I think that while Bale is being overlooked in his performance it is hard not to. The bar has just been reset for villains with Heath's performance of the Joker. The reason Bale gets overlooked is because Heath was just THAT amazing

[ExtravagantlyLoved]

I actually went and saw this movie. It's rare for me to see a movie in theaters. It's rare for me to watch many movies period. This was an exception.

I don't care how many times it's been said, Heath Ledger was incredible. Oh my, was he ever incredible.

My friends and I have been discussing who we think should play the Joker now. Because you know they're going to make another one.

Incredible....just incredible.....

[TDub]

I heard today that Penguin was going to be the next villian. Has anyone else caught that buzz or am I getting bad info?

[Jason]

i still haven't seen this and I'll probably have to wait until it's on DVD.

[cheewiee]

I heard today that Penguin was going to be the next villian. Has anyone else caught that buzz or am I getting bad info?

I heard that Nolan said he would never do Penguin, or Catwoman as they really wouldn't fit in the world he has created...

[lilmikey]

i still haven't seen this and I'll probably have to wait until it's on DVD.

this is priceless hahaha(in reference to the pic)

[Corrine]

i still haven't seen this and I'll probably have to wait until it's on DVD.

I so wish Debbie and I could fly in and take you to this movie!!! Woo hoo!!! You just have to see it on the IMAX! It's amazing!!! (Have I already said that? :D )

[cheewiee]

Well I have seen some of the rumors... Angelina Jolie as catwoman.. ehh.. the promising one, Phillip Seymore Hoffman as the Penguin...

If instead of making him a penguin freak like they made Danny Devito in Batman Returns, makes him a "Gentleman Criminal" it might actually be pretty darned cool....

[Howlin' Wolf]

Well I have seen some of the rumors... Angelina Jolie as catwoman.. ehh.. the promising one, Phillip Seymore Hoffman as the Penguin...

If instead of making him a penguin freak like they made Danny Devito in Batman Returns, makes him a "Gentleman Criminal" it might actually be pretty darned cool....

i dont buy it.

[Corrine]

I've heard Johnny Depp as the Riddler. I also heard Phillip Seymore Hoffman as the Penguin, but that Chris Nolan does not want to have the Penguin in his movie. And that Angleina Jolie wants to play the Catwoman, but nothing about whether or not they want her or even are using the Catwoman for the next one. But yeah, she'd be great. And JD would be a great Riddler, nice and creepy.

[rossid]

Angelo went for the third time today. Making a lot of coin this one is...

[Debbie]

Angelo went for the third time today. Making a lot of coin this one is...

Oh, I have seen it 3 times, and was ready for a 4th. The movie was the topic of discussion over dinner. Mainly as to why you should see it more than once. There was so much going on, you realize what you actually missed.

[Corrine]

I'm thinking that while Dan and Asher are at the John Mayer concert tomorrow, Jordan and I might go out to eat at Pappasito's and go see the movie for the 4th time. (Dan and I saw Joshua 5x's and Braveheart 13x's at the theater. Of course, movie prices were a little cheaper back then! And, you know, Third Day is in Joshua. ;) ) But we were having dinner at Pappasito's when we first saw the news that Heath Ledger was dead. We read about it all through our meal. So when I think of going there, it reminds me of him. Appropriate for going to see the movie again.

[lilmikey]

Well I have seen some of the rumors... Angelina Jolie as catwoman.. ehh.. the promising one, Phillip Seymore Hoffman as the Penguin...

If instead of making him a penguin freak like they made Danny Devito in Batman Returns, makes him a "Gentleman Criminal" it might actually be pretty darned cool....

Philip Seymour Hoffman would be a great Penguin

[Jason]

I so wish Debbie and I could fly in and take you to this movie!!! Woo hoo!!! You just have to see it on the IMAX! It's amazing!!! (Have I already said that? :D )

I wish you could too!

[AtlBraves]

Johnny Depp as the Riddler would be interesting to see. I had heard that Nolan said no to the Penguin.

[lilmikey]

Johnny Depp as the Riddler would be interesting to see. I had heard that Nolan said no to the Penguin.

I think Danny Devitos portrayal of the Penguin left a bad taste in his mouth. but I should think a portrayal of the original Penguin would be very realistic and not silly

[Howlin' Wolf]

no penguin. guaranteed.

[Corrine]

I hope they do some different villains, ones we haven't seen on the other Batman movies before. Although, I do like Catwoman.

[lilmikey]

no penguin. guaranteed.

thats what I wanted in fact(Penguin is probably my least fave villian) until someone mentioned PSH. He would be a great Penguin

[Corrine]

Just saw Aaron Eckhart on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. He said Two-Face/Harvey Dent is not coming back. He said he wanted to talk to Chris Noland about contract negotiations and chris said, "There's no contract. You're dead."

So no more Harvey. I thought I'd be happy about that, but I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[Howlin' Wolf]

Just saw Aaron Eckhart on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. He said Two-Face/Harvey Dent is not coming back. He said he wanted to talk to Chris Noland about contract negotiations and chris said, "There's no contract. You're dead."

So no more Harvey. I thought I'd be happy about that, but I'm not sure how I feel about it.


i just find it hard to believe that Nolan would kill off a major villain that quickly.

[lilmikey]

i just find it hard to believe that Nolan would kill off a major villain that quickly.

that was a dumb move on his part if it indeed is true

[HPE89]

I just recently saw "TDK" - it was intense! I will see it again someday, but it doesn't have to be soon! I thought it was very dark and depressing too...I thought Heath Ledger was a very creepy Joker though! :)

[Debbie]

Is out on video today. On my way to Circuit City.....

[lilmikey]

Is out on video today. On my way to Circuit City.....

DVD Debbie, its dvd:D ;)

[Jason]

DVD Debbie, its dvd:D ;)

DVD - Digital Video Disk

I have to wait. My DVD player isn't working.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

DVD - Digital Video Disk

I have to wait. My DVD player isn't working.

Ehem... it's Digital Versatile Disc.








Actually, both terms are used, but it's not everyday I get to correct an orange named boards member!

[Jason]

Ehem... it's Digital Versatile Disc.


Actually, both terms are used, but it's not everyday I get to correct an orange named boards member!

As you said, both are used.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

As you said, both are used.
Yeah well. It was worth acting like it wasn't, for those two seconds of techno snobbery.

[Jason]

Yeah well. It was worth acting like it wasn't, for those two seconds of techno snobbery.

:D

[lilmikey]

Video just reminds me of the obsolete VHS:D :D :D Actually the las video I bought was Star Wars The Phantom Menace I believe

[lilmikey]

I hope they do some different villains, ones we haven't seen on the other Batman movies before. Although, I do like Catwoman.

Clayface would be very interesting character to use in the new franchise. But I dont know how they could pull it off without it looking like total cheeziness. I'm kinda thinking they could pull it off similar too what was done with the Sandman villain in Spidey 3

[rossid]

I've never had a digital video. Should it take 12 hours to download on a 1.5 Mb DSL? Can I watch it while I download?

[R. Smith]

Its is the best movie I've seen in a long long time. Brilliant!!! I don't think this movie will be topped!!! It makes me wonder who the new bad guy will be??? I don't think the Joker will be topped, at all.

[Beachcomber]

It was incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saw it last night!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[rossid]

Okay it downloaded. And Windows did and update. And after robooting I'm back...

Villain? Go back in this thread somewhere. The guy that went to Lucious Fox and told him what he had found...

[rossid]

NOTE: James, this is your thread. We miss you AND know where you went!

Here is some of that discussion from pages six and seven. All of you have to go back and look at the new joker at the bottom of page seven.

Saw it today and I loved it!! Heath Ledger was amazing, but really the whole cast was great.

Spoilers:

The ending deinitely hinted that there would be more but unlike Batman Begins there was no allusion to who the villain will be. The fact that the one guy had allegedly figured out Batman's identity sort of hints at the possibility of Riddler. That was something that happened in the comics with Riddler.

Spoiler:

That guy's name is Mr. Reese. Get it? Mysteries. Maybe the new name for Ed Nygma?

I think they alluded to the fact that the Joker would be back. He is Batman's nemesis. But I cannot fathom of another actor portraying him now.

That has been brought up on other boards. I wouldn't be surprised but I don't necessarily think Coleman Reese will end up being the Riddler, but rather in the next film we may possibly find out that the person who gave Coleman Reese the information is the person who becomes the Riddler. In the comics there are different series with the riddler, some where his alter-ego is named Edward Nygma some where it's Edward Nashton. My guess would be to avoid any association with Jim Carrey's way over the top interpretation, Nolan would go with Nashton. If he goes with the Riddler, like with the Joker I am sure it's going to be a more sinister and dark version of the Riddler than we've seen before. I can't see the guy who played Coleman Reese pulling that off.

I've also read that he has supposedly already cast Larry "curb your enthusiasm" David as the Riddler. Good golly I hope that's not true. I kind of hope he does have the Riddler after seeing Nolan's vision of the Joker I am very curious to see his vision of the Riddler. But Larry David?? I don't know.

I really hope they don't try to bring back Joker although I agree that it is definitely a possibility that two-face could very likely come back. I could see a reference to Joker from scenes in Arkham, perhaps overhearing his sadistic laugh, but actually bringing him back as primary role in the third film, I think would be a mistake.

Speculation is that the plot of the third film will be drawn largely from the Hush (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Hush) series, but probably not based upon it. Obviously it probably won't have the Metropolis elements but I could see where he could pull elements from that series, bring back two-face and bring in the Riddler.

[mysterio]

i have seen it and is awsome:cool: