Kucinich maps out Articles of Impeachment for Bush

[Evanescence]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_nbdL2nuc0&eurl=http:

5-8 total Vids from C-SPAN...

Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq.
Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression.
Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed eapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.
Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States.
Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression.
Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114.
Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.
Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter.

Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor
Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq
Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources
Article XIIII
Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries
Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency
Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq
Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors
Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives
Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy
Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture

Article XX
Imprisoning Children
Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government
Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws
Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment
Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens
Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements
Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply
Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice
Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965
Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare
Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency
Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change
Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.
Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001
Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders

[truster]

I actually saw part of this on C-SPAN last night.

My question is this, and it's an honest one, so answers would be welcome: Would removing Bush from office at this point do any good? After all, his term is almost up. I'm just curious.

[lilmikey]

I actually saw part of this on C-SPAN last night.

My question is this, and it's an honest one, so answers would be welcome: Would removing Bush from office at this point do any good? After all, his term is almost up. I'm just curious.

it'd be useless its just that the libs want to feel that they did a good thing by impeaching somebody they didn't like. It makes them feel special is all. God forbid things dont go their way though they'll go and cry about it

[Howlin' Wolf]

War criminals should be punished.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

What kind of evidence is there against Bush?

[Evanescence]

Tons...just read the papers...

Mikey, there are no Libs or Cons...Reps or Dems...Rights or Lefts in Washington....just insider traders and crooks...all of the same brand...

[lilmikey]

War criminals should be punished.

so should traitors and sexual diviats but bill clinton got off scot free

[Evanescence]

so should traitors and sexual diviats but bill clinton got off scot free

Correct...but sexual depravity isn't aganist the law..its a victimless crime...however, if we look beyond the smokescreen of Monica L, we might see soemthing more sinsister..like the untimley death of steve foster....or any of the other 40+ people who died closely tied to the Clintons.

Bushs and the Clintons....two power hungry crooked famlies...

PROVEN !!!!!!!!!

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Tons...just read the papers...

Mikey, there are no Libs or Cons...Reps or Dems...Rights or Lefts in Washington....just insider traders and crooks...all of the same brand...

I have never particulary liked Bush. Old men can be dangerous, and his reaction and comments to the granting of rights to detained prisoners at Guantanamo Bay was very concerning. He was furious. Why?

[Evanescence]

Study the back history of the Bush family and see what comes up...

They have a long history of rubbing shoulders with elite and the powerful....that cannot be good.

Prescott Bush....GWBs grandad, lost his business in the 40s for dealing with the Nazi's...PROVEN!!!!!!!!

The Clintons? Simple, google: Clinton Body Count

Let your eyes be opened and do not deny the obvious..

[lilmikey]

I have never particulary liked Bush. Old men can be dangerous, and his reaction and comments to the granting of rights to detained prisoners at Guantanamo Bay was very concerning. He was furious. Why?

as far as Im concerned those terrorist animals at the Bay have no rights. ok Im ducking now:eek: :eek: :D

[Howlin' Wolf]

so should traitors and sexual diviats but bill clinton got off scot free

are you saying that committing sexual acts against your spouse in the oval office is the same as starting a war against a sovereign nation and further escalating tensions in the middle east? When Clinton left office, the government knew exactly where bin Laden was. Bush did squat with that intel.

as far as Im concerned those terrorist animals at the Bay have no rights. ok Im ducking now:eek: :eek: :D

and what of the innocent people there? it's a little thing called Habeus Corpus.

[blacksheep]

umm, I would say tensions in the middle east have remained at roughly the same level as they have the last 5,000 years or so. Also, let's not forget that Clinton was not impeached for sexual sin but for lying about it. And who cares if a man's grandad lost his business because of ties to Nazis? What if my grandad were a pilot for the Luftwaffe? Would that make me a bad person?

I think the reason that Bush is upset about the trial thing is that a lot of very bad people will end up back in the world population. The problem is that these detainees were taken in a war environment but then are being tried in a U.S. civilian style system. This causes a lot of legal issues and increases the chances that a truly guilty person will be released. The military judicial system is set up in such a way that by the time a detained person is sent to Guantanamo, his/her guilt is as solidly proven as any other person who has gone to trial and been convicted.

[blacksheep]

tulip, what flag is that?

[blacksheep]

Ohh, it's the Hezbollah flag, sorry it was very small. Aren't they terrorist?

[Howlin' Wolf]

Ohh, it's the Hezbollah flag, sorry it was very small. Aren't they terrorist?

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

And i would be willing to bet that a large sum of the detainees in Gitmo are innocent. Our government seems to like to detain anyone that they think may have any terrorists connections and they dont feel the need to have any substantial proof to hold them. They detain them and totrute them till they get some form of confession. it makes me sick!

[lilmikey]

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

And i would be willing to bet that a large sum of the detainees in Gitmo are innocent. Our government seems to like to detain anyone that they think may have any terrorists connections and they dont feel the need to have any substantial proof to hold them. They detain them and totrute them till they get some form of confession. it makes me sick!

thats why Im for the IRA but I digress

Tiocfaidh Ar La my friend

[Aussie3rddayfan]

as far as Im concerned those terrorist animals at the Bay have no rights. ok Im ducking now:eek: :eek: :D

Love is patient, love is kind....

[blacksheep]

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

And i would be willing to bet that a large sum of the detainees in Gitmo are innocent. Our government seems to like to detain anyone that they think may have any terrorists connections and they dont feel the need to have any substantial proof to hold them. They detain them and totrute them till they get some form of confession. it makes me sick!


Really? Have you detained or been involved in the process of detaining individuals for the U.S.? If not, then you should tame your tongue. Stop being used as a political pawn, go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or Cuba and see for yourself exactly how these people are being treated and exactly what it takes to get sent to Cuba in the first place.

thats why Im for the IRA but I digress

Tiocfaidh Ar La my friend

Yes, bombing children indiscriminately is the best way to justify your cause. At any rate, all killers "day will come" and they will be judged for the good and the bad.

[Evanescence]

The true killers of 911 are buried soemwhere deep in Washington....all info tucked away on some random harddrive, locked in a safe, just waiting to be found.

Most likley, what ever "terrorists" are in Gitmo are CIA pawns who got set up or pizzed off the wrong people. Far from innocent, they likley had nothing to do with 911...

Maybe thats why the European parliament is loooking into a NEW and truly independent investigation into 911...that the official story is a bogus conspiracy theory...

Philip Zelikow will someday be in Gitmo...and I'll be glued to the 911 trials on CNN...:cool:

[blacksheep]

The ignorance is rampant around here. GITMO is not for 911 specific detainees.

[Evanescence]

Blacksheep..Im thinking you're ex-military or ex-Govt personell...

True?

[cheewiee]

thats why Im for the IRA but I digress

Tiocfaidh Ar La my friend

What I don't understand is that your such a staunch conservative, yet your for such a socialistic organization ......

[blacksheep]

What I don't understand is that your such a staunch conservative, yet your for such a socialistic organization ......

It's because he thinks the IRA represents a cool countercultural ideal, not unlike all those peeps wearing the Che t-shirts.

[lilmikey]

What I don't understand is that your such a staunch conservative, yet your for such a socialistic organization ......

socialism is not THAT bad. Its communism that I hate. Yes I kniow the IRA is socialistic but my stance is to move the British of Ireland and give Irish land back to Irish people. Thats all

[lilmikey]

Really? Have you detained or been involved in the process of detaining individuals for the U.S.? If not, then you should tame your tongue. Stop being used as a political pawn, go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or Cuba and see for yourself exactly how these people are being treated and exactly what it takes to get sent to Cuba in the first place.



Yes, bombing children indiscriminately is the best way to justify your cause. At any rate, all killers "day will come" and they will be judged for the good and the bad.

The British aren't exactly innocent either. Both sides have done terrible things I know that.

I am just sympathetic with the Irish. But to say that one side is right and the other is wrong is simple minded.

Was justifiable to open fire on a bunch of protestors back in the 1972 during a rally???????????????? How about someone fighting for ones own country against land hungry foreign invaders even through contriversial mean is that justafiable?

[rossid]

It is about time Kucininch is impeached.

[Evanescence]

Bush and Cheney are two of the most IMPEACHABLE and corrupt madmen to ever inhabit the White House. The fact that they havn't been impeached shows the corrupt nature of the entire govt, esp Congress. The founding fathers would have investigated them, impeached, then hung them LONG ago...

Socialism? We're there now...

The REPUBLIC as it is suposed to be, is dead...

[blacksheep]

The British aren't exactly innocent either. Both sides have done terrible things I know that.

I am just sympathetic with the Irish. But to say that one side is right and the other is wrong is simple minded.

Was justifiable to open fire on a bunch of protestors back in the 1972 during a rally???????????????? How about someone fighting for ones own country against land hungry foreign invaders even through contriversial mean is that justafiable?

You say the Irish like they all agree on what should happen. You mustn’t forget the Orangemen. And that fight is kind of an old chestnut now anyway.

To your second statement. Are you making an argument for the end justifying the means?

[lilmikey]

It is about time Kucininch is impeached.

Kucininch is a traitor but this isn't about his impeachment its about our great president Bush's so called impeachment

[Evanescence]

Great pres? Are you out of your mind?

There is 1000% undeniable proof....from more than one non-biased, non-partisan source, that Bush and the Admin, LIED about the Intell to get us into Iraq. Only a dishonest person would deny this.

Bush was first warned about the Intell...that it was bogus...warned repeatedly, then lied about it and continued the lies...and is still lying about it.

Good Christian man? ha, only to the blind and unsuspecting....he's a PROVEN liar and the blood of the innocent Iraqi's killed as well as our casualties is on his hands....as well as the madmen in his Admin.

PROVEN ! Not once...but 3 times. PROVEN.

[Evanescence]

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB234/index.htm

1000% undeniable proof..from a NON-biased Govt watchdog group, well respected and reliable....That Bush LIED and used a bogus source, despite several warnings that the intell was wrong.

Just one of 3 PROVEN non-biased, non-partisan reports PROVING he is a liar and a madman.

He deserves to be impeached, investigated, probed and interrogated and punished for his crimes...the same with Cheney.

Our loyalty should be with the Republic and the Constitution....not fallable men and poltiical parties.

[lilmikey]

Great pres? Are you out of your mind?

There is 1000% undeniable proof....from more than one non-biased, non-partisan source, that Bush and the Admin, LIED about the Intell to get us into Iraq. Only a dishonest person would deny this.

Bush was first warned about the Intell...that it was bogus...warned repeatedly, then lied about it and continued the lies...and is still lying about it.

Good Christian man? ha, only to the blind and unsuspecting....he's a PROVEN liar and the blood of the innocent Iraqi's killed as well as our casualties is on his hands....as well as the madmen in his Admin.

PROVEN ! Not once...but 3 times. PROVEN.

I dont think he is a Christian

[Evanescence]

You're one of the few Christians who DON'T think he's a good outstanding christian...just becuase he says he is. Some people are too simple to se they're being duped...

I knew all along...

The Iraq war is one of many CONSPIRACY THEORIES that have been PROVEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW- Do the right and honest thing and open that LINK...read it for yourself.

[rossid]

Bush and Cheney are two of the most IMPEACHABLE and corrupt madmen to ever inhabit the White House. The fact that they havn't been impeached shows the corrupt nature of the entire govt, esp Congress. The founding fathers would have investigated them, impeached, then hung them LONG ago...

Socialism? We're there now...

The REPUBLIC as it is suposed to be, is dead...

I'm not a historian but don't agree.

Kucininch is a traitor but this isn't about his impeachment its about our great president Bush's so called impeachment

My post was in jest.

You're one of the few Christians who DON'T think he's a good outstanding christian...just becuase he says he is. Some people are too simple to se they're being duped...

I knew all along...

The Iraq war is one of many CONSPIRACY THEORIES that have been PROVEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW- Do the right and honest thing and open that LINK...read it for yourself.

He IS a Christian. Good is a matter of opinion.

[Evanescence]

He IS a Christian. Good is a matter of opinion.


Based on what? Cause he said he is?

I on't go by.."By their fruits you will know them.."

BUT....just because someone says they are soemthing...doesn't mean they are. Their fruits though...should be taken in account.

The deaths and wounded and mess in Iraq based on PROVEN LIES should mean something...

Heck, i had one guy who said he knows full well Bush lied...and did it so we can steal their oil. But, he thinks he was righteous casue he was doing what was right for America and the American people....

He also thinks that 911 was allowed to happen and it was justified so we can stop Jihad and the terrorists.....kill 3000 to save millions...

I wanted to punch his lights out....ignoramous.

[blacksheep]

Based on what? Cause he said he is?

I on't go by.."By their fruits you will know them.."

BUT....just because someone says they are soemthing...doesn't mean they are. Their fruits though...should be taken in account.

The deaths and wounded and mess in Iraq based on PROVEN LIES should mean something...

Heck, i had one guy who said he knows full well Bush lied...and did it so we can steal their oil. But, he thinks he was righteous casue he was doing what was right for America and the American people....

He also thinks that 911 was allowed to happen and it was justified so we can stop Jihad and the terrorists.....kill 3000 to save millions...

I wanted to punch his lights out....ignoramous.

punch who's lights out?

[rossid]

My friend W.

[Evanescence]

punch who's lights out?

The guy who said what he did...in the post I made...

[blacksheep]

Ohh, I see. So what does that have to do with the discussion?

[Evanescence]

People are ignoring 1000% verifiable, PROVEN facts about Bush...and lying for him as well. Nothing will change in washington so long as these Jackals don't have to give accountability for their actions.

Clinton was the same way....Dems lied for him and brushed off any/all accusations...

Welcome to The Divided States of America. Where we care more about poltical parties and politicians than the Republic.

[lilmikey]

At least Bush did something in office in attempt to defend his country all Clinton did was get some in the oval office and ordered a bombing of some pharmacy in another county as a distraction

[blacksheep]

People are ignoring 1000% verifiable, PROVEN facts about Bush...and lying for him as well. Nothing will change in washington so long as these Jackals don't have to give accountability for their actions.

Clinton was the same way....Dems lied for him and brushed off any/all accusations...

Welcome to The Divided States of America. Where we care more about poltical parties and politicians than the Republic.

Speaking to political parties, I have several friends who would fall on the other side of the issues than I do and we have vigorous and spirited debates over them, but we would not consider ourselves divided.

I don't understand why you are so insistent on using parobolic statements like 1000% and PROVEN. Do you think that will change anyone's mind on the subjects you chose to hold with such importance?

[blacksheep]

I believe that the WMDs were moved, mostly to Syria. Also, several hundred chemical munitions (mustard) have been discovered in Iraq since the beginning of the War. Of course, those were older rounds, most likely pre-Gulf War, but he still had them. Why isn't this publicized more? In short, a lot has to do with the safety of the guys on the ground.

Was Saddam funding terrorist? We know he was. Did Saddam physically shake the hand of the 911 hijackers? I doubt it, but he certainly funded terrorist operations from the countries that they came from. Is the current situation as it stands the United States' fault? Well, Saddam basically disbanded his special operations units just previous to the coalition invasion ordering them to create several guerilla/militia type elements decentralized from the main command in Baghdad. So, we may infer that while the population was initially in support of the over through of Saddam, the spec ops teams did a good job of doing what spec ops teams do; create havoc and act as a cancer, turning popular opinion by slowing infrastructure and political improvements. That had been Saddam's plan even before it became clear that the U.S. was going to attack. He was afraid, and properly so, that the deteriorating situation in the Mid East (no thanks to him) was going to lead to an Israeli attack on his infrastructure which would have left him in struggling to maintain centralized control over his military and people. His biggest concern though was that Iran would take the opportunity to sweep in and seize control of at least the southern portions of Iraq, eventually sweeping north to the Sunni controlled portions, aiming specifically for the large oil refinery in Bayji. I would argue that had the U.S. not attacked, something similar would have happened in Iraq any way, except the void would have been filled by Iran.

Sorry for no sitations, I will try to do better in the future, this is just from my general knowledge anyway.

[Evanescence]

Everything we know about Iraq and 911 comes thru the govt programmed media..which cannot be trusted...

One thing we do know...the WMDs Saddam had...the ones he used to gas and kill the Kurds? We sold them to him....

We made money arming Saddam...then DIS-arming him...

Take note:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c97/scooterl/handshake300.jpg

Rumsfeld as an advisor to Reagan in the 1980s.....yep, sealing the deal with Saddam, selling him WMDs...

Gee...imagine that...

OH, and the 300 Billion barrels of Iraqi oil? Thats just coincidence that its there and we too are there...

Gee imagine that...again!

[mcgreen311]

Everything we know about Iraq and 911 comes thru the govt programmed media..which cannot be trusted...


Not to nit-pick, but are you including everything you know as well, for example your counter arguments?

Having only read the articles and not watched the videos, my question is, how effective do you think having a grand total of 35 articles is? Is Kucinich trying to create a stir and bring attention to this, or does he actually want Bush impeached? I'm sure he would be happy if Bush were impeached, but I don't know if that is his end game.

[blacksheep]

I believe that the WMDs were moved, mostly to Syria. Also, several hundred chemical munitions (mustard) have been discovered in Iraq since the beginning of the War. Of course, those were older rounds, most likely pre-Gulf War, but he still had them. Why isn't this publicized more? In short, a lot has to do with the safety of the guys on the ground.

Was Saddam funding terrorist? We know he was. Did Saddam physically shake the hand of the 911 hijackers? I doubt it, but he certainly funded terrorist operations from the countries that they came from. Is the current situation as it stands the United States' fault? Well, Saddam basically disbanded his special operations units just previous to the coalition invasion ordering them to create several guerilla/militia type elements decentralized from the main command in Baghdad. So, we may infer that while the population was initially in support of the over through of Saddam, the spec ops teams did a good job of doing what spec ops teams do; create havoc and act as a cancer, turning popular opinion by slowing infrastructure and political improvements. That had been Saddam's plan even before it became clear that the U.S. was going to attack. He was afraid, and properly so, that the deteriorating situation in the Mid East (no thanks to him) was going to lead to an Israeli attack on his infrastructure which would have left him in struggling to maintain centralized control over his military and people. His biggest concern though was that Iran would take the opportunity to sweep in and seize control of at least the southern portions of Iraq, eventually sweeping north to the Sunni controlled portions, aiming specifically for the large oil refinery in Bayji. I would argue that had the U.S. not attacked, something similar would have happened in Iraq any way, except the void would have been filled by Iran.

Sorry for no sitations, I will try to do better in the future, this is just from my general knowledge anyway.

Sorry I didn't qualify my thoughts more clearly, they are my thoughts from my observations, not from the media. I don't recall the media being on my side of the issue anyway.

[Howlin' Wolf]

Really? Have you detained or been involved in the process of detaining individuals for the U.S.? If not, then you should tame your tongue. Stop being used as a political pawn, go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or Cuba and see for yourself exactly how these people are being treated and exactly what it takes to get sent to Cuba in the first place.

for your info, I lived in Iraq. I was there when the Abu Gharaib fiasco was going on.

political pawn? says Bush's mouthpiece.

[Evanescence]

Some of what we get from the media is true..no question, but some isn't ...we must be vigilant.

I prefer non-partisan, independent sources for my sources....

The US is doing good things in Iraq...but its 2nd to the fact that we went there on lies and probbaly for the 300 Billion barrels of oil that are there....

Meanwhile hundreds upon thousands are dead or mamed...

Lying for war is nothing new...but it still deosn't make it right...

[rossid]

Okay this is sappy but I appreciate having this discussion...

[blacksheep]

for your info, I lived in Iraq. I was there when the Abu Gharaib fiasco was going on.

political pawn? says Bush's mouthpiece.


If I may ask, why were you living in Iraq and where were you living at? Tell me about it, what was it like?

But you still didn't answer my question. Were you in any way involved in detaining people?

[blacksheep]

The US is doing good things in Iraq...but its 2nd to the fact that we went there on lies and probbaly for the 300 Billion barrels of oil that are there....

Meanwhile hundreds upon thousands are dead or mamed...

Lying for war is nothing new...but it still deosn't make it right...

So, how much of that oil is going to us, cause last time I checked, none of it is?

[phil_ur_friend]

War criminals should be punished.

Every person on this earth has probably done or thought something that would (if cought red-handed), end them up in prison, or, get hooked up to the electric chair...

Are you going to run for the Presidency now Tulip?

I have a feeling that I might not know exactly what I would do until I actually was the leader of a world superpower.

I wonder what kind of dirt (they) could pull up on me?

I wonder if I would do everything just right, with no mistakes?

Thank God for being able to make a mistake, a blatant wrong choice sometimes, and HE still loves us enough to forgive us?

Grace? Now that is Divine.

-Phil, your friend

[VerbumReale]

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

And i would be willing to bet that a large sum of the detainees in Gitmo are innocent. Our government seems to like to detain anyone that they think may have any terrorists connections and they dont feel the need to have any substantial proof to hold them. They detain them and totrute them till they get some form of confession. it makes me sick!


This sort of rationalization has never sat well with me. The reality is there is there is a distinction between freedom-fighting and terrorism. It could be a fine line at times but there is a line to cross. Freedon-fighting is defensive aggression in the face of oppressive forces. Terrorism is pro-active aggression often intended to be as much about making a statement as it is about fighting oppression. Freedom fighters will take all necessary precautions to prevent the loss of innocent life in their aggression. Of course it happens, but it's not the intent. Terrorism not only doesn't care about innocent casualties but will often seek them out. I don't care what anyone says there is a difference, and there is more to it than just whose side your on.

[Evanescence]

So, how much of that oil is going to us, cause last time I checked, none of it is?

If you think we're gonna leave ANY of the 300 Billion barrels of oil in Iraq your nuts. Oil is the most prescious commodity on earth and we're running out...everday brings us clsoer to the last.

We won't take it ALL but we'll take some or most. Recently its come out that bush is working on a security plan to keep us there for good. That was the plan all along.

Stick around Blacksheep, I rememeber you from the 911 topics....Aug 1, I'm gonna post the top 25 PROVEN reasons why not to trust the official 911 story.

After we impeach Bush and Cheney, we can dig deep intot he Admin and get to the bottom of 911. To 100 million Americans, the official story is THE conspiracy theory.

[phil_ur_friend]

Oil is the most prescious commodity on earth and we're running out...everday brings us clsoer to the last.


Everyday DOES bring us closer to the last, and we ARE running out of our most precious commodity;

However Mr. Escence, TIME is the ONLY commodity on earth.

Bring a dying man 300 billion drums of oil...

10-1, He would trade it for one more hour.

No?

Phil, your (prioritizing) friend

[Evanescence]

Everyday DOES bring us closer to the last, and we ARE running out of our most precious commodity;

However Mr. Escence, TIME is the ONLY commodity on earth.

Bring a dying man 300 billion drums of oil...

10-1, He would trade it for one more hour.

No?

Phil, your (prioritizing) friend

Correct...but dying men don't wage wars.....people wage wars over oil...and will in the future as we continue to use what we have left. It may be the main reason for WWIII

[rossid]

Where do these articles stand? Kucininch should worry move about the un-"Fairness Doctrine".

[danbos]

Everything we know about Iraq and 911 comes thru the govt programmed media..which cannot be trusted...

Government programmed media? Which media are you seeing and hearing...everything I see and hear is about as anti-Bush as you can get.

[lilmikey]

Government programmed media? Which media are you seeing and hearing...everything I see and hear is about as anti-Bush as you can get.

you are correct

[Evanescence]

Wrong. Its programmed...but not controlled per say...like a Big brother novel.

Some of what they're talking about...anti-Bush..is justified and well known. We can PROVE he lied to get us into Iraq and that we're spending TRILLIONS there. But...

This entire thing with the Senate Committee coming to its conclusion....5 Reps and 5 Dems...that Bush LIED to take us to war in Iraq was swept under the carpet and hardly covered. I watcht he news daily....NBC just barely touched it...the rest did not.

Same with Hillary's comments about RFK and the election. There was public outrage for 2 days, then it quickly went away....

That wasn't by coincidence.......

Just 2 nights ago brian Williams did a piece on Afgahnistan and Osama Bin Hidin. There was all this fear talk and a few of the troops talked about still trying to capture him etc etc.

The lead in to the next story was this:

"Another story from the Pentagon today was..."

This PROVES that the story about Bin Laden was setup by the Pent-- by the Govt. Its called PROPAGANDA....and if you watch close...they are working feverishly to program and brainwash the American people.

Bin Laden? That story was just one of many...many setups for the fall. Youw atch Bushy pull a rabbit out of hat and bring in Bin Laden just before the election.

He's been dead for years but the boogieman lives for political motivation....

And all the Sheeple say..."YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!"

People need to wake the ---- up.

[Jason]

Just 2 nights ago brian Williams did a piece on Afgahnistan and Osama Bin Hidin. There was all this fear talk and a few of the troops talked about still trying to capture him etc etc.

The lead in to the next story was this:

"Another story from the Pentagon today was..."

This PROVES that the story about Bin Laden was setup by the Pent--he election.


Proves? You're kidding, right?

[Evanescence]

Proves? You're kidding, right?

No jason I'm not. the Govt OFTEN sets up media reports and such. You have to WATCH and see...hear exactly what they're saying and who is reporting. Its LONG since been common knowledge that the govt USES the media for its propaganda campaigns....shucks, that goes way back.

Remember the CNN foul up where there was supposed to be a interview with the President live from a base in Iraq, on CNN? It was a deal where Bush came to visit and was gonna take questions. They left the MIC on by accident just before and the Producer or main reporter was telling the troops what they could and could not say...filtering the questions for Bush. This is COMMON in the govt and media and is WRONG and CORRUPT. We the people should NOT stand for this!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, its only the tip of the iceberg....

[phil_ur_friend]

Correct...but dying men don't wage wars.....people wage wars over oil...and will in the future as we continue to use what we have left. It may be the main reason for WWIII

The only reason for WWIII, and anything else to come, is that
"...Your Will Be Done..." .The good thing is that our promise is-
"...and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard..."
*sings* Dont worry, Be Happy now...

Phil, your friend

P.S.
"Be anxious for nothing..." :D

[Evanescence]

I pledge allegance to the Untited States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands...one nation, under God, easy divisable with liberty and justice for all...

Even politicians...

[phil_ur_friend]

I pledge allegance to the Untited States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands...one nation, under God, easy divisable with liberty and justice for all...

Even politicians...

eas·i·ly di·vis·i·ble?
:cool:

-Spelling Police :D

[Evanescence]

Wrong. An intentional anomoly meant to trigger critical thinking among the Sheeple.

Look around and see....we are easily divisible and we ARE divided...