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Eddy_P

06-07-2008, 07:22 AM

For many years, claims of ‘Evidence of Time Travel being found by the Australian researcher Ronald Pegg’ have been circulating around the internet.

He claimed to have found descriptions in ancient texts that match to the contents of a certain 1995 produced multi-media compact disk. This would mean that somehow, modern technology was taken back in time for ancient people to view.

It is asserted that “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.

Now you have the opportunity to evaluate this specific claim with a ‘verse by verse’ examination of ten texts that he said contains proof.

http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/search4ett/index.html

Use this link then go directly to the Evaluation Session (or read an Introduction beforehand).

Sam!

06-07-2008, 04:42 PM

It seems Ronald Pegg must have also traveled back in time, because Solomon wrote a Proverb (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=14&verse=7&version=31&context=verse) about what I should do with him.

Sam!

06-07-2008, 04:44 PM

By the way, I did go to the site. I got to the first question, and I quit. The manipulation of the verses to match the computer screen was so bad, that I couldn't complete the exercise in good conscience.

Has anybody answered the question why a time traveler from far in the future (I assume time traveling is a long way off) would take a CD-ROM from 1995?

ausgirl

06-07-2008, 05:30 PM

There is only one ancient text which I rely upon for proof - and I don't think I need to tell you what that is....

Eddy_P

06-07-2008, 05:40 PM

RE: “The manipulation of the verses to match the computer screen was so bad, that I couldn't complete the exercise in good conscience.”

There has been no manipulation of ancient texts.

Revelation 4:6-7 as cited on the website:
"And before the throne a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast like a flying eagle".

Source of text: KJV - electronic CD-Rom version The Holy Bible, Media Graphics International, 1998 .

Here from the same version Bible you provided in your other post: link: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=4&version=31

Revelation 4:6-7
“6A lso before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.
7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.”

Also, 14 other translations via these links…
Rev 4:6 http://bible.cc/revelation/4-6.htm
Rev 4:7 http://bible.cc/revelation/4-7.htm

So in anyone’s language, ‘above a crystal sea, in the middle, are faces like - a lion, a calf, a man, and a flying eagle.

On the cd-rom’s main menu page, are - above a crystal sea, in the middle, are faces like - a lion, a calf*, a man, and a flying eagle*.

* These two are not a complete match.
But it still gives 4 out of 6 which is over the 50% coincidence level.

RE: “I couldn't complete the exercise in good conscience”

Sorry to hear that.
Maybe an open mind would be helpful - with preconceived ideas put to one side.

Jason

06-07-2008, 06:32 PM

Pegg makes Aussies look bad.

WeaselInYerFoot

06-07-2008, 06:36 PM

Here's the problem...If that CD-ROM has any mention of the Bible, Jesus, Jewish religion, Islam, or any other religon that you are correlating to it's images, then your theory is dead. It might as well be the grandfather paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox). You can't influence history, with an object that was influenced by the very historics events it caused. The CD-ROM doesn't exist in it's present state if these people never travel back in time and make this cimputer inspire these visions, but at the same time, they can't influence them with this CD-ROM if these events never happen in the first place.

ausgirl

06-07-2008, 10:18 PM

Pegg makes Aussies look bad.
Yes and we aren't! Well at least not this one!

Jason

06-07-2008, 11:20 PM

Yes and we aren't! Well at least not this one!

A lot of Aussies rock, including you.

rossid

06-08-2008, 12:24 AM

Yes and we aren't! Well at least not this one!

A lot of Aussies rock, including you.

So does the following:

P. Sherman
42 Wallaby Way
Sydney

Jason

06-08-2008, 12:28 AM

So does the following:

P. Sherman
42 Wallaby Way
Sydney

Since that's the dentist, I heartily disagree.

rossid

06-08-2008, 12:29 AM

lol - lol - lol

Jason

06-08-2008, 12:32 AM

Or is that toothily disagree? Heartily would be for a cardiologist.

Eddy_P

06-08-2008, 04:05 AM

Here's the problem...If that CD-ROM has any mention of the Bible, Jesus, Jewish religion, Islam, or any other religon that you are correlating to it's images, then your theory is dead.
Yes, you are correct with the IF scenario.
But the CD-ROM does NOT have these references, therefore (using your words) Pegg’s theory is not dead.

Congratulations. You are the first to bring in a religious slant to try to refute this work.

Regarding other people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...
“Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts.”

If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration.

If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration.

If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes……

But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ?

The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.
(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.)

The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…
The Roman section shows things Roman…
The Greece section shows things Greek…
The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…
The Carthage section shows things Carthagian…

…and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon.

Notice the references to Religions ?
So WeaselInYerFoot, there is no problem (regarding your IF scenario).

Sam!

06-08-2008, 08:46 AM

WeaselInYerFoot

06-08-2008, 06:25 PM

Yes, you are correct with the IF scenario.
But the CD-ROM does NOT have these references, therefore (using your words) Pegg’s theory is not dead.

Congratulations. You are the first to bring in a religious slant to try to refute this work.

Regarding other people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...
“Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts.”

If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration.

If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration.

If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes……

But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ?

The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.
(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.)

The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…
The Roman section shows things Roman…
The Greece section shows things Greek…
The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…
The Carthage section shows things Carthagian…

…and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon.

Notice the references to Religions ?
So WeaselInYerFoot, there is no problem (regarding your IF scenario).

Yet some of those civilizations were greatly influenced by these religions.

What about Pascal? a great contributor to the sciences and math who played a big part in the eventual advancement of the our technologic era, was also a deeply religious man. One of many, be it good, or bad, was lead a path that involved these religions. Or was the inventior of the computer entirely foriegn to all present knowledge? You can't say that what influenced history, was the very object that was lead into existence by the very history it made.

Eddy_P

06-09-2008, 08:41 AM

Eddy,
You misunderstand. The text itself isn't maniuplated by you. Your analysis maniuplates the text.
Example:
Revelation 4:6-7
"And before the throne a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast like a flying eagle".

You then show the images and ask:
Is there a sea that looks like crystal glass? Yes/No/Maybe. But that's not what the text says. The text says "a sea of glass like unto crystal."

Is there (glistening) in the middle of the picture? Yes/No/Maybe. But that's not what the text says either. The text says "in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, four beasts."

Your questions manipulate the text. In addition, based on your quoting of Strong's, etc., I am guessing there aren't any Ancient Near East linguists in your little party?

Lastly, your conclusion is not the only logical explanation (even if the manipulation wasn't so bad). You miss the obvious explanation that the texts have the same or similar inspiration. I.e., these heavenly beings that seem to have four heads - if they truly exists, why isn't it possible for them to have been seen by different cultures?

The images on the first screen aren't unique, and the text only looks at a few out of many. You can take two completely unrelated things and find a certain level of coincidental overlapping facts. That proves nothing.

Sam, thankyou for your comments and constructive criticism.

It was not my intention to ‘manipulate’ the text as you put it.

I do not consider it a ‘manipulation’ to use the common modern meaning of ‘glistening sea like crystal’ for the situation where “a sea glistens in the sunshine with its breaking waves looking like crystals” - while talking to modern people.

But point taken.

Greek word 5193 “glass” originally meant ‘glassy’.

I have amended the two references to the following…..

1. a glassy sea that looks like crystal...
2. ...in the middle {of the screen (cf. throne)}

…with a Popup window explanation:
..>
Greek word "throne" means 'a stately seat'.

During ten years of research by PPHC Study Group, it has been found that the biblical reference to 'throne' often refers to the place near the 'mercy seat' (cd-rom drive tray, aka. 'an altar') where the images (or visions) of 'God and his angels' were seen by certain named prophets.

Why ancient people called the computer's monitor 'a throne' is still not fully understood, but in context with other discoveries, the monitor literally does sit in a stately manner above the keyboard and cd-rom drive (of a desk-top computer system).
..>

RE: “The images on the first screen aren't unique, and the text only looks at a few out of many. You can take two completely unrelated things and find a certain level of coincidental overlapping facts. That proves nothing”

This is why following the ten brief examples there are seven more comprehensive Reports after the Conclusion page.

In the Ezekiel report, from 104 verses from 8 chapters, 198 descriptions match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.

198 matches are not ‘a few unrelated things’.

Eddy_P

07-28-2008, 07:30 PM

Jason

07-28-2008, 07:32 PM

:rolleyes:

in hiding

07-29-2008, 02:08 AM

Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence.

For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions.
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so the first thing you say is that it is definitely more than coincidence (with an n of 14) and then you say that for it to be relevant you need at least 100 more people...how did you come up with 114 people? did you do a power analysis or are you just going with 114 random people...whose results are NOT generalizable to a population, ONLY descriptive of those 114 people. You're basing your results on people who actually find your website and then take the time to fill out the surveys??? Do you even collect (or impute) information re: the 14 people you have so far...demographics, beliefs etc...? Have you validated your survey? The survey is clearly leading people to not have a nil result.

Eddy_P

07-29-2008, 09:41 PM

The survey is clearly leading people to not have a nil result.
No.
The survey is checking whether the claim by Pegg that pictures from the Ancients cd-rom match to the sequence of imagery described in ancient texts.
10 sets have been presented to check against 10 different texts.

If the pictures match, then the answer is YES.
If they do not match, then the answer is NO.
If there is a possible translation/interpretation difference that may reasonably be deemed to ‘match’, then a MAYBE can be selected.

There is no lead to make people not select the NO.

The ancient textual descriptions were not made nor influenced by Pegg.
The pictures in the cd-rom were not selected nor influenced by Pegg.

He noticed that ancient descriptions matched certain pictures from the cd-rom.

The survey is asking “Is he correct ?”

At the moment for 34 people the reply is running at 66.12 percent.

Individual percentages by 22 people is

1 John's Four Beasts 58.54
2 Ezekiel's Four Beasts 59.48
3 Daniel's Four Beasts 65.03
4 Mountainous ship 68.96
5 ME Creation Stories 65.09
6 Egyptian Gods 65.63
7 City Beneath the Sea 88.86
8 21 Zones of the Universe 74.83
9 OT Creation Account 66.58
10 Attestation Tablet 56.95

Pouye

07-30-2008, 01:35 AM

First off, a bunch of people's opinions about a survey doesn't make something true or untrue. Just because 80% of people think something is not a coincidence doesn't mean that it isn't a coincidence.

But besides that:

The Greek word 975 means "a roll".
Roll means move by rotating (around a central axis). As we are dealing with the KJV Bible translation, it is interesting to note that the Old English word for "roll" came to us via the Latin word rotula meaning "small wheel".

There are huge problems with this simple, opening statement.

For one, this Greek word is a noun. It means "a roll" which is, in other contexts, what we call a "scroll" (see Hebrews 10:7). Often the Greek Bible says (literally): "in [the] roll of [a] book it has been written..."

This "roll" in the Greek has nothing to do with a wheel (big or small), and associations with Latin or Old English in translations have nothing to do what the word means to the Greek author. It is true that the noun "a roll" is derived from the fact that it gets "rolled up".

Have you ever heard of a "fruit roll-up"? That is a noun, as well. It is dehydrated fruit rolled up, and therefor it sometimes gets called simply a "roll", too. Or how about a "bread roll". This is a noun that is derived from the verb "to roll", as well. The bread is rolled into a certain shape, and it is often shortened, too (for example, "would you like a roll?")
Now, if I wrote about a "roll" (as in a "bread roll"), and how much I like eating a roll with my supper, should someone in the future think that I wasn't talking about a bread roll and instead a CD-Rom or a wheel? Of course not. How absurd!

The first rule in examining any word in the Bible or any ancient text is to find out what the meaning of the word(s) meant TO THE AUTHOR. The author wasn't looking at a CD Rom and calling it "a roll". The author knew what "a roll" was. It was a book that was written on papyrus or some such material, rolled up and sealed with wax seals to keep it from unfurling.

There are literally dozens of these kinds of outright blunders in this guys supposed "investigation", leaving the whole thing spurious indeed. I personally think he is simply trying to get traffic to his website...

Rock

bvc

07-30-2008, 06:03 AM

We can't expect people to allow scripture to interpret itself with the original intent of the author. That would be too simple and we wouldn't be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine always looking for the latest hot new revelation (Act 17:21).

Evanescence

07-31-2008, 04:55 PM

Where does the Terminator factor in this?

danbos

07-31-2008, 04:58 PM

I'd also like to point out that most likely, most of the people voting are only the ones that would like to believe in this kind of stuff. I'm sure there are many other people like me that saw the website and didn't feel like wasting their time voting.

Sam!

08-01-2008, 07:42 AM

Where does the Terminator factor in this?
The Terminator has not come to kill John Connor, only to watch his DirecTV.

WeaselInYerFoot

08-01-2008, 10:29 AM

Where does the Terminator factor in this?

Eddy P is the terminator. I can't believe you guys haven't realized that the surveys are a way to find John Connor. Which explains why these posts are on message boards all over the internet. We can only hope that John never stumbles upon his surveys.

We can only hope.

The Unknown Gomer

08-01-2008, 10:38 AM

Where does the Terminator factor in this?

The Terminator has not come to kill John Connor, only to watch his DirecTV.

hahaha! :D I can't stand DirecTV, but do love their commercials based on the movies. I like the one with Sigourney Weaver too. :D

Eddy_P

08-04-2008, 10:19 PM

Some results so far

Whether pictures match ancient descriptions as a percentage, where
0-30 is NO,
>30-50 is probably not,
>50-75 is MAYBE,
>75-85 is probably, and
>85 to 100 is YES.

Results from 12 Evaluation Sessions
nil: 0 - 30
2 : >30 - 50
4 : >50 - 75
4 : >75 - 85
2 : >85 - 100
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12 in total

Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence.

For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions.

Can you help ?
Can you spare the time to complete the Evaluation Session ?

LINK: www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/search4ett/index.html
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Purpose of Evaluation Session

Some people seem to be not understanding or are missing the point of this evaluation session.

HISTORY:
1. Ronald Pegg made an observation regarding an ancient text and modern cd-rom pictures.
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2. Ronald Pegg investigated 20 more ancient texts, and made associated observations regarding those ancient texts and pictures from a modern cd-rom.
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3. He proposed an hypothesis - “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.
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4. He asserted a Conclusion based upon his observations and investigations - “This is Evidence of Time Travel”.
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5. He established a general Theory - “Certain noted Angels giving 'visions of the future' who were documented in the sacred texts of the Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, and Mormon faiths (and others) - were not of a divine origin...as they were actually human chrononauts taking back warning messages concerning false religions, details of certain historical and astronomical events, and a chronology regarding a future war. Those technological time travellers were misunderstood and perceived as 'Angels'”.
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This session is NOT evaluating points 3 & 4 & 5. These may be discussed in later sessions.
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This session IS evaluating the validity of Pegg’s original OBSERVATIONS (points 1 & 2) by asking “Do the descriptions in ancient texts match to the pictures seen on a modern cd-rom.
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To do this I am asking you to assist with the evaluation process by testing, with a ‘verse by verse’ examination, ten texts that Pegg said contains proof. LINK to Evaluation Session (http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/search4ett/index.html)

Greyshades

08-04-2008, 11:18 PM

Spam is only good if you are starving.

:D

Help me out here...

Is the idea behind this that somebody from the future (obviously still 'future', even now) took a CD from 1995 back to all these ancients?

seriously... I'm having trouble grasping this... can someone answer just the above question for me...?

Sam!

08-05-2008, 09:41 AM

Yes that's his claim.

Eddy, the questions are worded in a way that lead people to answer somethign other than 'no' (lots of "maybes" or "is it possible"). Some of the questions twist the grammatical structure of the text impossibly in order to make the leap. Frankly, the inability of Ronald Pegg to devise an OBJECTIVE questionairre or an OBJECTIVE measure that does not depend on a questionairre speaks volumes about this whole exercise.

Greyshades

08-05-2008, 11:51 AM

Did this "time-traveler" take a Honda generator with him/her, as well as the computer to run the CD? If so, why no mention of the "great thundering voice" of the generator when it started.

Oh no, wait, that's right... we're talking future people... so, they surely have some other way of producing the electricity to run the computer. Besides, they probably have waaaaay better computers... gotta be really small by then...

But wait... why a CD from 1995? Obviously, we would require all of the above, (the generator, the computer, the surge protector, never forget the surge protector, and the CD) if we were able to do this.

No seriously... Eddy...

C'mon. Did they take a nice office desk with them too? What kind of time machine is this? That's a lot of luggage. Ain't no IKEAs in ancient Mesopatamia.

I've evaluated this...

and I find it to be kind of loopy.

Eddy_P

08-05-2008, 10:44 PM

Eddy, the questions are worded in a way that lead people to answer somethign other than 'no' (lots of "maybes" or "is it possible"). Some of the questions twist the grammatical structure of the text impossibly in order to make the leap.You seem to be missing the point.
The evaluation session is investigating whether Pegg’s original observations are valid.
To do this, the words from the original texts have to be presented, and the specific descriptions under investigation highlighted.
The pictures from the cited cd-rom which Pegg says matches to these descriptions are then presented.
Using the highlighted ‘keywords’ from the ancient texts, you are asked to make a judgement whether what Pegg says he saw in the picture do in fact “match” to the images in the presented pictures. ie. are the KEYWORDS present in the cd-rom pictures.

A simple Yes / No could have been employed, but due to some of the ancient words in many of the texts being either originally mistranslated or misinterpreted into English, or being out of context, or ambiguous, a Maybe was added to take language differences into account.

Did this "time-traveler" take a Honda generator with him/her, as well as the computer to run the CD?No.
The computer was taken in a special transport box which probably had at one end, a bank of batteries to power the system.
See information via the Computer Parts Described in Ancient Texts (http://www.worldbreakingdiscover ies.com.au/news/computer.html) page.

Greyshades

08-05-2008, 11:53 PM

The computer was taken in a special transport box which probably had at one end, a bank of batteries to power the system.

300 cubit box? Kinda awkward isn't it? And yes, I saw the twisting of the Hebrew to mean the metric system. It doesn't fly. You can't say they meant something modern just because the language sounds similar. Why would a future race use wood? Why wouldn't they use something lighter, like a new type of aluminum?

If "em-em" meant anything, it meant small chocolate candies. :rolleyes:

But hey, you wanna run down rabbit trails, have at it. I agree with Sam's first post. What Solomon said.