What do you think about Third Day going secular?

[jumpingmaniac]

??????????

[HPE89]

I wouldn't say they're GOING secular...I think it's great that a secular magazine has recognized them!

[sandyandporter]

I don't see it as "Third Day is going secular", they aren't technically "going" anywhere. I think it can only do the whole world better to be exposed to Third Day!

I don't get hung up on labels. I like great music. Why would anyone want to put them in a box on a shelf?

[EmmoGomer]

I wouldn't say they're GOING secular...I think it's great that a secular magazine has recognized them!

I agree. There is nothing to indicate they are going secular, just the honour of gracing the cover of a magazine.

[M. Innocent GMR]

I agree. There is nothing to indicate they are going secular, just the honour of gracing the cover of a magazine.

Agree and Agree.

[jumpingmaniac]

Im not talking about the magazine. Radio stations have reported that they are "going secular".

[sandyandporter]

Im not talking about the magazine. Radio stations have reported that they are "going secular".

So what? What does that even mean? Are you saying they're not Christians anymore?

[jumpingmaniac]

Are you saying they're not Christians anymore?



Ok, where on earth did that come from? I NEVER said that. I am just stating the facts. Third Day is on the cover of a magazine with the headlines saying Christian Crossover in big letters, radio stations are saying they are "Crossing Over? What else am I suppose to believe?

[sandyandporter]

Ok, where on earth did that come from? I NEVER said that. I am just stating the facts. Third Day is on the cover of a magazine with the headlines saying Christian Crossover in big letters, radio stations are saying they are "Crossing Over? What else am I suppose to believe?

And I'm saying so what?

I can already see this heading down the same road as the Wired cd. The band was attacked for "going secular".

[The Unknown Gomer]

Third Day is on the cover of a magazine with the headlines saying Christian Crossover in big letters, radio stations are saying they are "Crossing Over? What else am I suppose to believe?

I keep seeing all this fuss and bother over the idea that Third Day is "crossing over to the secular market" and that they're "going secular". And maybe I'm missing something but I don't get it. :confused:

It sounds like with all this "crossover" stuff that keeps coming up, that you are afraid that the band might be changing into something that you don't like. I don't think you have to worry about that. :)

I personally don't see 3D "going" anywhere or changing into anything else. With Revelation, they made the album that they wanted to make, and for me, it's an album that has God written all over it, even if it doesn't spoon feed it to the listener on every single song.

To ME, when I hear that 3D is "crossing over" to the secular market, that just tells me that the songs on the new CD might actually be able to break out past the label of "Christian" and reach a broader audience. And isn't that a good thing and kind of the point, to reach as many people as possible?

The only selfish issue that I personally might have with that is that their fanbase will grow as a result and it'll make getting good concert tickets THAT much harder to get! ;)

Aside from that, the only downside that I can see anyone formulating in their heads about it is that maybe once 3D gets a taste of fame in the secular market, that they WILL start writing songs with that market in mind.

And one would hope that their current fan base would have a little more faith in them than that. I know I do. :)

[sandyandporter]

And one would hope that their current fan base would have a little more faith in them than that. I know I do. :)

Amen and Amen! Well said Karen!

[The Unknown Gomer]

Amen and Amen! Well said Karen!

Not too bad for an issy-say, huh? :P

I just think that it sounds like a little reassurance is in order. Unless I'm misreading things, I'm hearing a lot of worry in some of the posts about the whole "cross over" thing. And I don't think there is anything to worry about.

I mean, look at Jars of Clay. They had that monster hit "Flood" way back when, that was all over MTV and all over the secular stations, to the point of nausea. ;) Based on what I saw at Sonfest last year, and at the Christmas shows, I don't see where that changed the Jars guys in any negative way.

And I don't see where getting airplay on a secular station is going to change the guys in Third Day either. :)

[Mandy Robbins]

Go ye into ALL the world....

I hope they reach as many people as they can.

That being said, I hope they are still as accessible as they are now to their fans. There are alot of what-ifs running through my mind too.

But they are in God's hands. They are God's tools.

[JanetRN]

LOL I guess I go secular I every time I go to work too. (Since I don't work in/at the Church)

They have made an EXCELLENT CD, I love Revelation. There is nothing on it that isn't "Christian", so if the secular market likes the same CD then Glory to God! Go Third Day!


(Now maybe people will stop asking me why my car tag says Thursday... for Pete's sake it says THRDAY!)


*EDIT*
Its almost as if you are asking people if they like Revelation or not... after all isn't this the CD that is "secular." So if you don't like this CD then you won't like hearing them on "secular" radio stations playing it. Because that is what they are going to do~ Play this same CD, no edits, no bonus tracks nothing added or taken away from THIS CD, to the general public. I don't understand what people could possibly have against that! I have more of a problem with my "Christian" station playing Carry Underwood's Jesus Take the Wheel. Because if you buy that CD... its as if she's saying Jesus take the wheel & I'll slash the tires and take a louisville slugger to the headlights!

[webo]

And I don't see where getting airplay on a secular station is going to change the guys in Third Day either. :)

No, but if they move to a secular label, that could be the end of Offerings-type releases. Others have used Switchfoot as an example of a Christian band being successful in the secular market without compromising its beliefs, but I don't see Switchfoot turning out any Offerings-type albums. I would be extremely saddened if 3D churned out albums with nothing but vague lyrics that appeal to the masses.

[Johnny 59]

Found an interesting article on this subject on Christian Music Today:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/commentaries/crossoverartists2.html
But honestly folks doesn't this same stuff circulate after just about any "Christian" artist appears on the Tonight Show?
Personally I wish they would get more secular exposure not less.
Or should they subscribe to the "preach to the chior" approach to evangelism?
Do you really think a "crossover" to the secular market is going to radically change their music or their focus?
Doesn't seemed to have had too much effect on artists like Steven Curtis Chapman, Michael W. Smith and MercyMe to name a few.
Don't think it will change Third Day much either.

[Tracey]

Found an interesting article on this subject on Christian Music Today:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/commentaries/crossoverartists2.html
But honestly folks doesn't this same stuff circulate after just about any "Christian" artist appears on the Tonight Show?
Personally I wish they would get more secular exposure not less.
Or should they subscribe to the "preach to the chior" approach to evangelism?
Do you really think a "crossover" to the secular market is going to radically change their music or their focus?
Doesn't seemed to have had too much effect on artists like Steven Curtis Chapman, Michael W. Smith and MercyMe to name a few.
Don't think it will change Third Day much either.


AGREED! I feel that Third Day is in this for God...that is their passion. Yeh music is great but when it comes down to it it's all about God. That is something I believe this band will always have is that passion to glorify God. Same as what Decemberadio said in an interview I just watched. So just because they are on Billboard I don't think they are 'going secular' or anything...i think it's flippin awesome that the 'secular' world is begining to recognize them. May God continue to bless them and the ministry, Amen? :)

[Johnny 59]

AGREED! I feel that Third Day is in this for God...that is their passion. Yeh music is great but when it comes down to it it's all about God. That is something I believe this band will always have is that passion to glorify God. Same as what Decemberadio said in an interview I just watched. So just because they are on Billboard I don't think they are 'going secular' or anything...i think it's flippin awesome that the 'secular' world is begining to recognize them. May God continue to bless them and the ministry, Amen? :)

AMEN!!!

[Tracey]

(Now maybe people will stop asking me why my car tag says Thursday... for Pete's sake it says THRDAY!)



hahahaha that still trips me out

[Tracey]

AMEN!!!

*whew* glad someone understood me. :P :eek:

[The Unknown Gomer]

For all you naysayers... I give you...

Your very own Cloud Of Doom.

92275

Feel free to stand underneath it and worry away.

The rest of us will celebrate the fact that 3D is the first Christian band to grace the cover of Billboard, AND that the new CD, one of their best yet, might actually reach a larger audience on mainstream radio. :cool: :D

[Tracey]

LOL I flippin love you woman hahahahaha

[mat1583]

Amen to what Karen said. The only thing I could really add is STOP LIVING IN A CHRISTIAN BUBBLE.

-washboard

[EmmoGomer]

Just found this on Tai's blog. Read ye and heed ye!! ;)

Going Circular
Well, I read some message boards postings today. I promised to swear them off for a while, but I couldn't help myself.

I saw this conversation coming as soon as I saw the title of the Billboard Cover... Christian Crossover?. It was probably coming anyway.

The article goes on to pretty clearly clarify that Third Day is being Third Day, "Keeping the Faith." We're comfortable in our skin, know who we are, and are working hard to see our music reach more people. We worked with a producer who challenged us musically and spiritually, and we have a management team that has a lot of experience in all aspects of the music business.

But, with a Cover Title like christian crossover? some fans are going to begin speculating that Third Day is somehow attempting to "go secular." For some that's positive for others that's negative. Those thoughts will be confirmed from other media sources, who even though they haven't spoken with the band, will somehow have what they present as firsthand knowledge that the band is attempting to go secular.

Then, a whole bunch of fans will quickly respond with, "Good, they should." Great commission and all. While others immediately bemoan our sell out. Fun discussions, we'll try and just referee.

Would Third Day like our music to be heard by as many people as possible? Absolutely. We felt that way in 1992 and we feel that way in 2008. Is there inherent problems with a genre of music called "Christian Music?" Does it communicate that this is music for Christians and Christians only, thus limiting the message of the music to just people that are already Christians? Well, perhaps, but I also don't sell out our audience quite that quickly. Third Day music has performed great on Christian radio, but it also thrives on our fans sharing our music with their friends, and I know that a lot of our fans pass on the music to people that are not Christians.

We recognize that their are challenges with being labeled a Christian band, but we also recognize that there have been huge blessings as well. We have a very loyal audience that actually listens and responds to the things that we have to say in our music. The music means something to them, and they get involved with causes that we care about. Are their challenges and limitation, are there ceilings as a Christian band? Maybe, but how many of those are self imposed? A lot of other bands have done a lot to pave the way for Christian music to be treated seriously. You take the bad with the good. We've seen our music make a real difference in people's lives, and we would never want to sacrifice that.

We want to be who we are, and attract as many new fans as possible. Would we like more media opportunities to expose our music? yes. Would we like to have our songs heard on as many radio stations as possible? Yes. Will we service Christian Radio stations with our single? Of course, and first. Is Third Day a Christian band? Yes. Would we like our songs heard on TV, movies, and video games, yes? Would we like to find tour sponsors that can add value to our fans' experiences at our live shows? yes.

Will we compromise who we are and our faith message to reach a larger audience? No. Will we respectful of the situations where we find ourselves and present our message and music wisely? I hope so, but that is what praying daily is all about too. You can join in if you'd like.

I'm trying to approach this album with anticipation not expectation. I don't know if it will sell 3 million copies or 3000. I don't know if this music will be embraced on other formats than CCM, but I don't know if it will be embraced by CCM either. You can't take anything for granted. All we can do is what we've always done. We try to make great music, and then we give it to God and ask Him to do what He will. Then, we try and use wisdom with the opportunities that we get as a band. Sometimes we miss opportunities. Sometimes we take opportunities we probably shouldn't, but there really isn't a magic formula. God puts a lamp unto your feet, not a floodlight to your future. Every step has to be made in faith.

These are the kind of thoughts that keep you coming back to God with thoughts and prayers that sound something like..


Give me a revelation
Show me what to do
'cause I've been trying to find my way
I haven't got a clue
Tell me should I stay here
Or do I need to move
Give me a Revelation
I got nothing without you.

You go Tai!! Thank you :)

[teresaUK]

You go Tai!! Thank you :)

Thanks for posting that Ems!

All I want to say is -THANK GOD they are men who can make good music that the world is attracted to - but without compromising their message and faith.
As a result I've been able to play a whole load of their songs at work all day long and lead others, through their music, to Jesus Christ.
Thanks guys.....keep it coming! :)

[sandie]

Tai makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Em.

[The Unknown Gomer]

I keep forgetting to check the blog posts, so am always happy when someone posts something from there, here. Thanks you Ems! :cool:

And a great post, Tai. Exactly what I was trying to say but didn't say nearly as well. But that's why Tai has a blog, and I, well, DON'T! :D

[sandyandporter]

Thanks Em. I'll comment more later. I'm pretty po'd at the people who caused Tai to even have to write this..... many of them are on these boards.

[Andi]

Thanks Em. I'll comment more later. I'm pretty po'd at the people who caused Tai to even have to write this..... many of them are on these boards.

I agree. Shame on you people, shame!


*Read quick for I am sure this will be deleted in no time at all. ;)*

[RevZeek]

I don't get hung up on labels. I like great music. Why would anyone want to put them in a box on a shelf?

Agreed! I think they should play the music that they feel. Whatever that may be.

[clemsontigers23]

From the Billboard thread:

Cry Out to Jesus and Mountain of God would never get played on any type of secular radio stations, and since it's been three years since WYA released, they won't ever be played on secular radio stations. Call My Name has a chance of being played on Adult Contemporary, but not Top 40. Slow Down, on the other hand, has a chance to get played on Top 40 radio. It's the same with Otherside.

I almost feel like the Christian music industry is a box and the record companies are keeping Third Day locked inside and not letting them spread their best musical qualities. This album was a huge step forward musically for Third Day. I think Third Day knows that on the last couple of albums, the music had been lacking somewhat. Now, somehow Third Day has enabled each member to shine in their own way. Tai's bass is more noticable, especially in songs like Shake This House. Mark's guitar has improved even more, and his solos have gotten better. He's done a great job of taking on Brad's solos as well. Speaking of Brad, his guitar has gotten even better. Even though he's no longer with the band, you can still hear him shine. David's drums have gotten pretty funky as well. The album sounds like it could be a hit in secular markets, and like I said, this is a huge opportunity to witness and to bring in a lot more fans. The only thing Third Day will be limited by is Essential Records if they decide they won't want their music to be taken to the mainstream. Essential has done a decent job exposing Red and Pillar to hard rock markets (although, not nearly good enough) so there is hope, but I almost feel like they don't think Third Day could be successful in the secular market, when in fact, this is extremely false.

Tai's blog speaks one thing to me, and that is uncertainty. Tai sounds like he would love to be able to be heard in secular markets while not abandoning their Christian fanbase, but as I've mentioned many times before, Tai knows how bands like Switchfoot, Relient K, Flyleaf, and P.O.D. have been able to build a large mainstream following while keeping their core audience. It sounds like he just doesn't know if the label is interested in the idea, but I can almost guarantee that the band will at least propose the idea to those in charge of the operations.

I don't know why radio stations are reporting that the band is crossing over. I would have to hear a source, and like Tai said, it's unbelievable that they are reporting this without even speaking to the band personally. I'll admit I will be disappointed if they don't attempt to crossover, but either way Revelation is the best Third Day album to date, and while the future is uncertain, God will direct their paths into the direction He has for them to follow.

I say, go ye out into the world and spread the gospel, and good music! Forget the failure of Wire, that is in the past, and it did not sound like it had much of a chance in the mainstream markets anyways, even though it's my second favorite album by them, but Revelation is just raw rock.

[Corrine]

LOL I guess I go secular I every time I go to work too. (Since I don't work in/at the Church) Amen! I guess that makes a lot of us "secular". :rolleyes:

I have more of a problem with my "Christian" station playing Carry Underwood's Jesus Take the Wheel. Because if you buy that CD... its as if she's saying Jesus take the wheel & I'll slash the tires and take a louisville slugger to the headlights! I've never heard the CD, but this cracked me up! :D

I've been dreading this type of thread, but I have been expecting it.

No, but if they move to a secular label, that could be the end of Offerings-type releases. Others have used Switchfoot as an example of a Christian band being successful in the secular market without compromising its beliefs, but I don't see Switchfoot turning out any Offerings-type albums. I would be extremely saddened if 3D churned out albums with nothing but vague lyrics that appeal to the masses.

Who said anything about moving to a new label? We're only talking about the release of Revelation here, and how it might be played on mainstream stations.

And you can't use Switchfoot as an example. They have never put out an Offerings-type album. Their music has always been more everyday stuff rather than fall on your knees stuff. MercyMe's music has gotten a lot of secular airplay, and you don't see them changing anything. Third Day on the other hand, has always had a nice mix of both, horizontal and vertical songs. I don't seem them changing that, or anything. And if they did, I'd be totally confident it was because God was taking them in that direction.

I don't understand how anyone can get upset about the possiblity of hearing Third Day played in more places. When you are walking through the mall and you hear a Christian band you like being played in one of the stores, you know you smile and are proud that "one of our bands" is being heard in public. Personally, I'd be thrilled to hear any Third Day song played in public or on mainstream radio!

Let's settle this where it began, with the headline on the cover of Billboard. The magazine cover asks the question, "Are they crossing over?" Have you read the article (http://www.thirdday.com/assets/thirddaybillboard.pdf)?

As the band heads out on the road, it may be armed with new music and management, but at the core, fans can expect the same Third Day. “They will do the same thing they always do,” Red Light’s McSpadden says. “That’s the thing about them: They don’t change. It’s the same message.”

Red Light’s Flohr adds, “That’s why they’ve been around for as long as they’ve been. It’s because of consistency. We couldn’t change them and we wouldn’t want to. They’ve gotten to where they are because of the people that they are.”

Case closed?

[3D NC fan]

I've never heard the CD, but this cracked me up! :D

I've been dreading this type of thread, but I have been expecting it.

Who said anything about moving to a new label? We're only talking about the release of Revelation here, and how it might be played on mainstream stations.

And you can't use Switchfoot as an example. They have never put out an Offerings-type album. Their music has always been more everyday stuff rather than fall on your knees stuff. MercyMe's music has gotten a lot of secular airplay, and you don't see them changing anything. Third Day on the other hand, has always had a nice mix of both, horizontal and vertical songs. I don't seem them changing that, or anything. And if they did, I'd be totally confident it was because God was taking them in that direction.

I don't understand how anyone can get upset about the possiblity of hearing Third Day played in more places. When you are walking through the mall and you hear a Christian band you like being played in one of the stores, you know you smile and are proud that "one of our bands" is being heard in public. Personally, I'd be thrilled to hear any Third Day song played in public or on mainstream radio!

Case closed?

Carrie has a song on that CD called "Before He Cheats" where she sings about taking a baseball bat to her ex's car. **don't ask how I know this**

I heard "Tunnel" played in Wal-Mart once. I actually had to stop in my tracks to be sure that is what I was hearing.

I expect 3D to remain unchanged, but am glad to see them getting the recognition they deserve!

[sandyandporter]

I've been dreading this type of thread, but I have been expecting it.

Well that doesn't say too much for some of the fans does it? Honestly, I didn't see it coming and I'm MAD! Like seriously.... I have deleted more posts in the last 2 days then I can count.

PS. I wish this "poll" was like some of the others where you could see who voted against Third Day! Then we could vote people off just like Survivor.

[Corrine]

I didn't think this type of thread would begin until after July 29, and I thought they'd be started by casual fans who came here for the express purpose of airing their views on the subject.


This is not a new subject by the way. It's been around as long as the boards have been here. This is an excerpt of a post Tai did in early December of 2001. He mentions a thread that was on the boards at the time, almost 7 years ago.

PEER PRESSURE

All you Gomers seem to be having a lot of fun. Can I play too?
I'm a big Third Day Fan. I have all their records. I suffered through Mac's toxic waste incident which left him with white hair for a season and I even have a guitar pic from the band. However, the jerks won't sign it for me. They've probably lost their focus on their ministry. Did you see that post about them going circular??? But Anyway. . . .



I guess it's a subject that will always be here, along with "Are Mac's eyes really that blue?" and "What is Blackbird really about?"

[tmo1031]

Okay, I dont get it? I haven't heard the new cd yet but will buy it once released...is it a secular cd? I cant imagine it is...

[TN3Dmom]

I guess it's a subject that will always be here, along with "Are Mac's eyes really that blue?" and "What is Blackbird really about?"

I've never seen the thread about the blue eyes. Hehehe. That's a good one. And yes, they are that blue. But that's beside the point.

[Corrine]

Okay, I dont get it? I haven't heard the new cd yet but will buy it once released...is it a secular cd? I cant imagine it is...

No, it's a Third Day CD with everything you expect from Third Day and so much more.

[Corrine]

I've never seen the thread about the blue eyes. Hehehe. That's a good one. And yes, they are that blue. But that's beside the point.

That's because we remove them, because they usually turn into swooning threads. Yeah, no drooling over the band members on the boards please.

[3D NC fan]

That's because we remove them, because they usually turn into swooning threads. Yeah, no drooling over the band members on the boards please.

Swooning threads? LOL. I talked recently with one of my friends about this. She was surprised to see some fans "swooning" over MercyMe at one of their concerts. I told her that we have a lot of respect for the fact that 3D are married men with families. I think we also need to respect that they have written songs that speak to wherever their hearts are at the moment and that the path always leads to glorifying our Lord.

[Corrine]

Swooning threads? LOL. I talked recently with one of my friends about this. She was suprised to see some fans "swooning" over MercyMe at one of their concerts. I told her that we have a lot of respect for the fact that 3D are married men with families.

Amen.

[EmmoGomer]

Amen.

Amen Amen!! I would HATE to think their were women drooling over MY husband!!

[sandyandporter]

Amen Amen!! I would HATE to think their were women drooling over MY husband!!

Too late! ;)

[EmmoGomer]

Too late! ;)

Hahahhahaa - not in that Mark Lee pirate song I know!! He was just plain scary in that!!

[danbos]

I don't think airplay on secular stations changes a band's message at all. People have brought up Relient K and Switchfoot...personally, I think they're music is more Christian-oriented now than when they first started. There are tons of bands that have gotten airplay on secular stations and retain they're message. Several of them have already been brought up. Just the other day I heard "Falls Apart" by Thousand Foot Krutch on a secular rock station.

[Debbie]

I wonder what country singer George Jones' fans thought when George released "Hallelujah Weekend"?? Which is pretty good by the way.....

[sandyandporter]

I wonder what country singer George Jones' fans thought when George released "Hallelujah Weekend"?? Which is pretty good by the way.....

His fans probably freaked out.... OH NO.... HE'S "GOING CHRISTIAN"!!!

[mindyhere]

Too late! ;)

ROTFL - crack me up!

[danbos]

I wonder what country singer George Jones' fans thought when George released "Hallelujah Weekend"?? Which is pretty good by the way.....

There are actually a lot of country artists who are Christians, and there are a fairly good number of songs with Christian themes on their albums, and even on the radio stations.

[Tracey]

hahahaha some of you guys really crack me up!

BTW...if my posts here offended anyone I am sorry. I didn't mean to do that. I don't think I was disrespectful to anyone but if I was..here's my apology. :D

[webo]

Who said anything about moving to a new label? We're only talking about the release of Revelation here, and how it might be played on mainstream stations.

Ah, not exactly. There has been a lot of general discussion that certainly is not limited to Revelation.



And you can't use Switchfoot as an example. They have never put out an Offerings-type album.


That's exactly my point! They haven't. And I'd hate to see 3D switch to a label that would mean the end of praise and worship, because the band is probably the best in the business at taking people straight to the throne. I have not heard anything about a label switch, but anytime you hear "crossover," you wonder. I'm just speculating about the big picture, not what's going to happen to the songs on Revelation.




I don't understand how anyone can get upset about the possiblity of hearing Third Day played in more places.


I'm not! Dozens of Christian rock bands have had their music played on soundtracks and video games and in NFL, NBA and NHL venues. I love it. It would be fantastic if 3D expanded into those markets. But I wouldn't be overjoyed if they did what clemson advocates, and they "completely abandon the Christian market."

[PROMISED LAND]

No, but if they move to a secular label, that could be the end of Offerings-type releases. Others have used Switchfoot as an example of a Christian band being successful in the secular market without compromising its beliefs, but I don't see Switchfoot turning out any Offerings-type albums. I would be extremely saddened if 3D churned out albums with nothing but vague lyrics that appeal to the masses.

i totally agree

[sandie]

His fans probably freaked out.... OH NO.... HE'S "GOING CHRISTIAN"!!!

LOL.

[sandie]

Perhaps this thread should be renamed "What do you think about Third Day fans going circular?" My first thought when reading it was that I've heard it all before, especially with "Wire".

[Debbie]

Perhaps this thread should be renamed "What do you think about Third Day fans going circular?" .

LOL!!! I like that, no, wait...I LOVE IT! We have to be different right?? :P

[webo]

Perhaps this thread should be renamed "What do you think about Third Day fans going circular?" My first thought when reading it was that I've heard it all before, especially with "Wire".

Yeah, and the interesting thing is that the original post had nothing to do with Billboard. Jumpingmaniac was claiming that "radio stations are reporting that Third Day is 'going secular.' " We still haven't been provided with any details about that "report."

[elby65]

I don't think they are "going secular", only that a secular magazine has chosen to recognize them for what they are doing. Now, should they grace the cover of "Rolling Stone", then I might begin to wonder! LOL!

[Andi]

Good gosh where is Middletree when you need him?!?!

Can someone even prove to me that there is such thing as "secular"? I mean really - what IS that?

This is what Wikipedia says:
Secular music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_music) is non-sacred music that developed in the Middle Ages. Swaying authority from the church that focused more on Common Law influenced all aspects of Medieval life, including music. Secular music in the Middle Ages included love songs, political satire, dances, and dramatic works. Drums, harps, recorders, and bagpipes were the instruments used in secular music because they were easy for the traveling musicians to tote around. Instruments were taught through oral tradition and provided great dancing music and accompanied the stanzas well. Words are a large part of secular music so that common people can sing songs together for entertainment. Music styles were changed by secularization. The motet for example, moved out of the church and into the courts of nobility which then caused the motet to be forbidden in the church. The largest collection of secular music comes from poems about celebration and chivalry of the troubadours from the south of France. These poems contain clever rhyme-schemes, varied use of refrain-lines or words, and different metric patterns. Composers such as Josquin Des Prez did compositions for sacred and secular music. He composed 86 highly successful secular works in addition to the 119 sacred pieces. Secular music also was aided by the formation of literature during the reign of Charlemagne that included a collection of secular and semi-secular songs. secular songs are from the renaissance period.


Third Day's Revelation does not fit this whatsoever.

How can you call music such as what is on Revelation secular?

Having Christian music played on a non-Christian radio station no more makes that music secular than sitting in your garage makes you a car.

[sandyandporter]

Having Christian music played on a non-Christian radio station no more makes that music secular than sitting in your garage makes you a car.

You just love that line!

[Andi]

Having Christian music played on a non-Christian radio station no more makes that music secular than sitting in your garage makes you a car.

You just love that line!

I do - I do love that line...so so much. You can apply it to just about anything!

James - where the heck are you??

[Corrine]

Perhaps this thread should be renamed "What do you think about Third Day fans going circular?" My first thought when reading it was that I've heard it all before, especially with "Wire".


You mean "Circular" as in going round in circles as in we've been over this again and again? Because we have. There's even a thread called Going Secular in the Band Archives from 2006.

[Tracey]

You mean "Circular" as in going round in circles as in we've been over this again and again? Because we have. There's even a thread called Going Secular in the Band Archives from 2006.

maybe you gone in circles about this too much and it's made a few peeps a bit loopy. :eek: :P

[Corrine]

Yeah, and the interesting thing is that the original post had nothing to do with Billboard. Jumpingmaniac was claiming that "radio stations are reporting that Third Day is 'going secular.' " We still haven't been provided with any details about that "report."

Tai did address this in his blog post. The radio station got the idea from the Billboard cover. Once again, someone made an assumption from a headline without reading the article.

[Corrine]

That's exactly my point! They haven't. And I'd hate to see 3D switch to a label that would mean the end of praise and worship, because the band is probably the best in the business at taking people straight to the throne. I have not heard anything about a label switch, but anytime you hear "crossover," you wonder. I'm just speculating about the big picture, not what's going to happen to the songs on Revelation.

But it's comparing apples and oranges. You are afraid Third Day will change their message. I am saying you can't use Switchfoot for an example because they did not change their message. They never put out a worship album when they were on Christian labels, and they haven't on mainstream labels, so they have not changed. Third Day, no matter if they switch labels, or "go secular", is not going to compromise their ideals or what they put into their work. Personally, I'd rther they not put out another Offerings album. We have three already!

[Valpo]

when did Third Day go secular? The people who are saying this, have you heard Third Day's earlier albums? Much more rock than now. Good grief

[Yippy]

when did Third Day go secular? The people who are saying this, have you heard Third Day's earlier albums? Much more rock than now. Good grief

This is what they get for putting out a worship album. If they hadn't done that, nobody would be bothering them.;)

[Tracey]

can we talk about preparation H supositories being the club drug again? :eek:

[jumpingmaniac]

Sorry to ruffle so many peoples feathers. When I created this thread, it wasnt my goal to cause a big fight, but rather, I wanted to know what people thought about the matter. It was just to my understanding that Third Day was moving to the secualar market, because of the magazine headlines, and what has been reported by radio stations. I had no such things to lead me to believe otherwise.

[sandyandporter]

Sorry to ruffle so many peoples feathers. When I created this thread, it wasnt my goal to cause a big fight, but rather, I wanted to know what people thought about the matter. It was just to my understanding that Third Day was moving to the secualar market, because of the magazine headlines, and what has been reported by radio stations. I had no such things to lead me to believe otherwise.

First of all that's not quite true because you were posting negatively about this in the Billboard thread.

You had "no such things to lead you to believe otherwise"???? How about you should trust that the men of Third Day are mature Christians, deeply rooted in their faith. They have ALWAYS glorified God first and kept themselves humble even though they have great reason to be proud! That would have been a pretty good indication.

You act as though "secular" is synonomous with "satanic". Between this thread and the Billboard thread the comments are ridiculous. I don't blame Tai for being offended.

When you said YES to Jesus Christ, you took on the responsibility to bring as many people to Christ and salvation as possible. That's what Third Day has been doing from day 1. Guess what.... unsaved people are listening to "secular" music...... that's EXACTLY where Third Day should not only be "dabbling" but FOCUSING.

Have you even listened to Revelation yet?