Billboard Magazine

[SirMax]

Guess who is on the front?

Where can you buy this? I don't need a monthly subscribtion...just this issue.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp

(I found it...can buy it from them...yeah!)

[Debbie]

Guess who is on the front?

Where can you buy this? I don't need a monthly subscribtion...just this issue.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp

(I found it...can buy it from them...yeah!)

How cool, just picked up 2, one for me and one to include in Tai's Treasure Hunt prize package....Thanks Wendy!

[silly4HIM]

I'll pick mine up at Borders Bookstore they carry it! I have a friend who works there and she'll hold it for me. :D

[Mr.Supervious]

i'm gonna have to get me one of these :)

[silverose]

Got mine ordered! Thanks for the info!

[3D NC fan]

Sweet! Nice to see the guys getting the recognition they deserve! :cool:

[The Unknown Gomer]

Wheee! Doug, fanatic that he is about song stats and standings, actually subscribes to this already, and while he says it's unlikely that he's got his copy yet today to bring with him tomorrow, after he does get it in the mail and has a chance to peruse it, he'll bring it up for me the next time he sees me. Yay! :cool:

[Debbie]

My goodness....look at this:

group members (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/bio/index.jsp?pid=155250)
Years Active: 90's 2000's
Group Members: Monroe Jones, Mark Lee ??? What is wrong with these people ??? Did they get it right in the actual artical?

Don't forget to grab your WIDGET artist badge here. (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/widgets/widget_artistbadge.jsp?pi d=155250):)

[Debbie]

My goodness....look at this:

group members (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/bio/index.jsp?pid=155250)
Years Active: 90's 2000's
Group Members: Monroe Jones, Mark Lee ??? What is wrong with these people ??? Did they get it right in the actual artical?

Don't forget to grab your WIDGET artist badge here. (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/widgets/widget_artistbadge.jsp?pi d=155250):)


Ok, read enough of the article to see that they did get it right in the details. I read enough of it without subscribing to ensure I will be at Boarder's later...:)

[3D NC fan]

Check out this cool fact:

“Revelation” is the band’s first studio album since 2005’s “Wherever You Are.” Last year, it released a two-part career retrospective—“Chronology , Vol. 1” and “Vol. 2”—and it views “Revelation” as the beginning of a new chapter. “It did get us out of our comfort zone,” lead vocalist/principal songwriter Mac Powell says of recording in L.A. “We really wanted to shake things up. We chose to work with Howard because of the past music that he had done. We loved those records and the vision he had for those albums. At the time, they weren’t easy decisions—to go somewhere else and to record with somebody different—but in hindsight, I’m so glad that we did.” Benson says he wanted to work with Third Day because of the quality of Powell’s voice. “[The person] who really turned me on to Mac was Chris Daughtry,” Benson says. “I think Chris has one of the best voices in rock’n’roll right now and he kept telling me how great Mac was. He was right.”

[Yippy]

...and he kept telling me how great Mac was. He was right.”
He could've asked me. I'd've been more than happy to tell him. ;)

I really should be consulted more often...:cool:


Congrats on the BB cover guys!

[Debbie]

Yes, Congratulations! This is awesome, very awesome and definitely recognition that has been a long time coming, no pun intended.

[sandyandporter]

Yes, Congratulations! This is awesome, very awesome and definitely recognition that has been a long time coming, no pun intended.

But that was a GREAT pun! Take credit girl!

[clemsontigers23]

I can't really see the cover that well, anywhere else where I can see it? Could someone put the article on here?

I like the "Christian Crossover?" title, maybe that will happen.

[3D NC fan]

I can't really see the cover that well, anywhere else where I can see it? Could someone put the article on here?

I like the "Christian Crossover?" title, maybe that will happen.

Open up the Third Day home page and they have a link to see the article in pdf format.

[PROMISED LAND]

i think it is great that a Christian band has finally made the cover and it is even better that it is Third Day.....

[TN3Dmom]

It's about time the rest of the world figures out how awesome these guys are. Way to go!

[mindyhere]

I'll be getting my first Billboard mag EVER! Just for this!

This is so awesome. I don't know what it is about this band - I'm so proud of them. Like I'm their parent or something. GEESH

:rolleyes:

But seriously - congratulations guys. What an achievement this is. I wonder if it's sank in yet! :D

[clemsontigers23]

Open up the Third Day home page and they have a link to see the article in pdf format.

Thanks.

[mindyhere]

Guess I'll have to order a mag online. Wal-mart didn't have one. Coop records didn't have one either.

Anyone know where you can walk in and pick one up?

[freakysoccer]

congrats guys!!! that's an awesome achievement. i'm going to the store now to see if i can get one.

[webo]

i think it is great that a Christian band has finally made the cover and it is even better that it is Third Day.....

Was this the first time ever for a Christian band?

[danbos]

Was this the first time ever for a Christian band?

Third Day's homepage says it was.

They even mention the Gomers in the article! :D

[JamieM.]

Other than the obvious.....US!!!
Thanks for emailing us Wendy and Letting us know. We have yet to find a copy here in Orlando, but we are going to look more tomorrow!! That is so cool!!!!


Jason is there as well. He is just to left of Traci!!!:D :D

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[Mr.Elwood]

Guess who is on the front?

Where can you buy this? I don't need a monthly subscribtion...just this issue.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp

(I found it...can buy it from them...yeah!)

Guess my computer doesn’t return the same information y’all are getting…

I have no idea what you are linking to other than the front page of Billboard…

I guess I forgot to activate my “Third Day only” filter..:rolleyes:

[Mr.Elwood]

Guess my computer doesn’t return the same information y’all are getting…

I have no idea what you are linking to other than the front page of Billboard…

I guess I forgot to activate my “Third Day only” filter..:rolleyes:

uuuuuhhhhhhh…

Answered my own question.
I have to BUY one more thing, or REGISTER for one more internet spam site in order to see this Third Day stuff….

Uh. . I am just stunned.. I just can’t believe I have to do this again…:rolleyes:

[Debbie]

Other than the obvious.....US!!!
Thanks for emailing us Wendy and Letting us know. We have yet to find a copy here in Orlando, but we are going to look more tomorrow!! That is so cool!!!!


Jason is there as well. He is just to left of Traci!!!:D :D

92225 92226

On the Gospel Music Channel advertisement for the Music Builds Tour, which was the Wildhorse show in Nashville, I saw you from the front row and not the back. I saw more of Jason though. I popped in in the middle of the ad/announcement, so I have to watch it again. It was the Gospel Music Channel Insider.

[JamieM.]

On the Gospel Music Channel advertisement for the Music Builds Tour, which was the Wildhorse show in Nashville, I saw you from the front row and not the back. I saw more of Jason though. I popped in in the middle of the ad/announcement, so I have to watch it again. It was the Gospel Music Channel Insider.


Thanks Debbie! We will be sure and look for that. I so get that channel now!!

[TN3Dmom]

On the Gospel Music Channel advertisement for the Music Builds Tour, which was the Wildhorse show in Nashville, I saw you from the front row and not the back. I saw more of Jason though. I popped in in the middle of the ad/announcement, so I have to watch it again. It was the Gospel Music Channel Insider.

I saw you guys. There was no love for me & Denise on the Mark Lee side, though.:(

[SirMax]

uuuuuhhhhhhh…

Answered my own question.
I have to BUY one more thing, or REGISTER for one more internet spam site in order to see this Third Day stuff….

Uh. . I am just stunned.. I just can’t believe I have to do this again…:rolleyes:

Why did you register? I just clicked on the "buy this week's issue" beside Third Day's picture

Other than the obvious.....US!!!
Thanks for emailing us Wendy and Letting us know. We have yet to find a copy here in Orlando, but we are going to look more tomorrow!! That is so cool!!!!


Jason is there as well. He is just to left of Traci!!!:D :D

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You are very welcome. I knew you guys were there so I was looking and yep...kinda figured those cowgirls were you!

[mercyGurl]

I went to Barnes and Noble to buy it, and was told that they didn't carry Billboard anymore. I'm not sure if it's a chain-wide thing, or just my local store.

[Mandy Robbins]

I've looked for billboard everywhere that I have been for the last 2 days and can't find it. Even places that have really obscure magazines don't have it.

[JamieM.]

Traci and I couldn't find it either. We looked everywhere in Orlando. They either didn't have it or had an old issue.....The Virgin Mega store at downtown Disney was about to put out the May 31 issue. So who knows???

[clemsontigers23]

It's the June 7 issue right? Probably not out yet.

[Gandalf]

JesusFreakHideout (http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/news/2008/05/30.THIRD%20DAY%20GRACES%2 0COVER%20OF%20BILLBOARD%2 0MAGAZINE!.asp) blurb - not really any more info than you already have, but for completeness sake...

[jumpingmaniac]

Cool, I don't like what it says on the front though. To me is sounds like they are saying Third Day is crossing over to the secular music industry.

[TN3Dmom]

Cool, I don't like what it says on the front though. To me is sounds like they are saying Third Day is crossing over to the secular music industry.

Would that be so terrible? I feel sure they would keep their message the same. I'd love to turn on a rock station and hear them on there.

[jumpingmaniac]

If they are going to cross over to the secular music industry they wont be able to keep their message the same. At least not as strong of a message. Bands like switchfoot have songs that some people say are Christian, and yet their are some people who would laugh if you said they were a Christian band. I don't want Third Day to become a band like that, where people have to be TOLD that they are a Christian band.

[shabbychica]

Cool, I don't like what it says on the front though. To me is sounds like they are saying Third Day is crossing over to the secular music industry.

I personally don't think it would bad for Third Day's music to grace the secular radio air waves with their annointed talent. However, I take that whole title as a sign that maybe "Main Stream" as we know it... is now accepting Christian artists for their talent/faith/beliefs and giving them credit where credit is due. :P

Because there are a ton of christian artists out there who are on secular radio. I just don't know they are christian until I see it somewhere else. There are some who have myspace pages who don't even claim to be christian yet you can find their music in christian book stores. I find it can confusing at times, but I know where Thrid Day stands... so I will always support them. :D

If that makes any sense.

Hugs to yall!

[clemsontigers23]

well look at it this way. 95% of songs on Christian radio are bad, so obviously 95% of people aren't going to take third day seriously because that's the only radio play they get. i wish they would crossover. switchfoot hasn't been able to keep their Christian message? dude, listen to the songs.

relient k had one of their most Christian songs on their last album which "went mainstream." they haven't compromised their beliefs.

[NurseBettyLu]

The Great Commission tells us to take our message to the ends of the earth. This is a good thing, trust me.

[shabbychica]

The Great Commission tells us to take our message to the ends of the earth. This is a good thing, trust me.

Amen & Amen :D

[3D NC fan]

I've looked for billboard everywhere that I have been for the last 2 days and can't find it. Even places that have really obscure magazines don't have it.

Didn't someone post that they found it at Borders Books?

[webo]

That Billboard article is fantastic. I especially loved the part about Lacey:

"Benson also credits the band with creating
moments in the studio that left him feeling
inadequate. Flyleaf’s Lacey Mosley sings on
the tracks “Born Again” and “Run to You.”
Benson says her collaboration with the band
transcended an ordinary recording session.
“It was absolutely emotional,” he says. “I
just had to leave the room, and I said to Mac,
‘You have to go out there, and you and her do
this because you’re coming to God right now
in front of my eyes. You guys handle it.’ It was
one of those moments where as a producer, I
just stepped back and watched it happen. She
broke down and cried, and I was crying. It was
really amazing, and you don’t get that in the
studio very often."

For him to say something like that gives me goosebumps. I wonder if Mac and the boys can elaborate on that.

[jesus loves me]

Congrats guys! my prayer is that in this y'all do what the lord wants.

[madams12]

The Fish here in Portland just reported that Third Day is crossing over to the Secular market. Although their message will be the same. I remeber when wire came out and there were hints of crossing over and wow some people got a little excited. I hope the fans support the guys in what ever they do. They have worked hard and deserve the sucsess. Let the message reach all the people.

[jumpingmaniac]

The Fish here in Portland just reported that Third Day is crossing over to the Secular market.


Well, I have to say I am very disappointed. People keep saying "the messsage will stay the same", but can any of you see any rock stations playing something like Cry Out To Jesus, or Mountain of God? IMO, I think people have become to slack in what they call "Christian Music", I have heard people call You and Me by Lifehouse a Christian song. There is a differance between a song with a good message and a Christian song.

[sandyandporter]

Well, I have to say I am very disappointed. People keep saying "the messsage will stay the same", but can any of you see any rock stations playing something like Cry Out To Jesus, or Mountain of God? IMO, I think people have become to slack in what they call "Christian Music", I have heard people call You and Me by Lifehouse a Christian song. There is a differance between a song with a good message and a Christian song.

First off, what's the difference between a song with a good message and a Christian song? Aren't both glorifying God by using the talents He gave them? How is a song that lifts you up and inspires you by a "secular" band NOT Christian in it's effect?

You can take a cd by any artist and not all of the songs will ever get played on the radio. So what makes you think that because some songs by their JPM (Jesus per minute) count are ok to play on "regular" stations that the album still wouldn't contain praise songs? I really can't see what the problem is. Like I said in the thread you just started, do you want to put them in a box on a shelf and keep them to yourself? Why WOULDN'T you want as many people as possible to be exposed to Third Day? Do you honestly have that little faith in Mac, Mark, Tai and David (and Scottie too) that they're going to become less Christian?

We're all entitled to our opinions. And my opinion on this type of thinking is SHAME ON YOU!

[madams12]

Do not underestimate Gods ability to use any situation to glorify him. I say we continue to support the Guys every way we can prayer especially and sit back and watch what he does! Yes there has been christen artist that have crossed over and came right back after limited success. But this is no ordinary band we are talking about here. I am excited. Rock On!:D

[jumpingmaniac]

First off, what's the difference between a song with a good message and a Christian song?

There are lots of good people in this world, and if there is a person who is not saved (im not saying Third Day isnt, im just making a point) who stands in a store handing out candy, or warning people not to do drugs; yes it is a very thoughtful thing to do, but that does not make it Christian behavior if that person is not saved,. The same thing applies to music, if a song gives a good message, that doesnt autmatically make it fall in the "Christian Music Category"

[sandyandporter]

There are lots of good people in this world, and if there is a person who is not saved (im not saying Third Day isnt, im just making a point) who stands in a store handing out candy, or warning people not to do drugs; yes it is a very thoughtful thing to do, but that does not make it Christian behavior if that person is not saved,. The same thing applies to music, if a song gives a good message, that doesnt autmatically make it fall in the "Christian Music Category"

Why does it HAVE to fall into ANY category? You're comparing apples and beer. It doesn't even make any sense.

[Gandalf]

Well, I have to say I am very disappointed.
I'm very encouraged, whether it's true or not. We should have more Christians making music (and literature, etc.) for people outside just the CCM subculture.

[Mr.Supervious]

There are lots of good people in this world, and if there is a person who is not saved (im not saying Third Day isnt, im just making a point) who stands in a store handing out candy, or warning people not to do drugs; yes it is a very thoughtful thing to do, but that does not make it Christian behavior if that person is not saved,. The same thing applies to music, if a song gives a good message, that doesnt autmatically make it fall in the "Christian Music Category"


amen!!!

not of works lest any man should boast

[silverose]

Tai has answered this question, read his blog "On The Low Down". That should settle some of the panic.

[sandyandporter]

Tai's Blog:

Well, I read some message boards postings today. I promised to swear them off for a while, but I couldn't help myself.

I saw this conversation coming as soon as I saw the title of the Billboard Cover... Christian Crossover?. It was probably coming anyway.

The article goes on to pretty clearly clarify that Third Day is being Third Day, "Keeping the Faith." We're comfortable in our skin, know who we are, and are working hard to see our music reach more people. We worked with a producer who challenged us musically and spiritually, and we have a management team that has a lot of experience in all aspects of the music business.

But, with a Cover Title like christian crossover? some fans are going to begin speculating that Third Day is somehow attempting to "go secular." For some that's positive for others that's negative. Those thoughts will be confirmed from other media sources, who even though they haven't spoken with the band, will somehow have what they present as firsthand knowledge that the band is attempting to go secular.

Then, a whole bunch of fans will quickly respond with, "Good, they should." Great commission and all. While others immediately bemoan our sell out. Fun discussions, we'll try and just referee.

Would Third Day like our music to be heard by as many people as possible? Absolutely. We felt that way in 1992 and we feel that way in 2008. Is there inherent problems with a genre of music called "Christian Music?" Does it communicate that this is music for Christians and Christians only, thus limiting the message of the music to just people that are already Christians? Well, perhaps, but I also don't sell out our audience quite that quickly. Third Day music has performed great on Christian radio, but it also thrives on our fans sharing our music with their friends, and I know that a lot of our fans pass on the music to people that are not Christians.

We recognize that their are challenges with being labeled a Christian band, but we also recognize that there have been huge blessings as well. We have a very loyal audience that actually listens and responds to the things that we have to say in our music. The music means something to them, and they get involved with causes that we care about. Are their challenges and limitation, are there ceilings as a Christian band? Maybe, but how many of those are self imposed? A lot of other bands have done a lot to pave the way for Christian music to be treated seriously. You take the bad with the good. We've seen our music make a real difference in people's lives, and we would never want to sacrifice that.

We want to be who we are, and attract as many new fans as possible. Would we like more media opportunities to expose our music? yes. Would we like to have our songs heard on as many radio stations as possible? Yes. Will we service Christian Radio stations with our single? Of course, and first. Is Third Day a Christian band? Yes. Would we like our songs heard on TV, movies, and video games, yes? Would we like to find tour sponsors that can add value to our fans' experiences at our live shows? yes.

Will we compromise who we are and our faith message to reach a larger audience? No. Will we respectful of the situations where we find ourselves and present our message and music wisely? I hope so, but that is what praying daily is all about too. You can join in if you'd like.

I'm trying to approach this album with anticipation not expectation. I don't know if it will sell 3 million copies or 3000. I don't know if this music will be embraced on other formats than CCM, but I don't know if it will be embraced by CCM either. You can't take anything for granted. All we can do is what we've always done. We try to make great music, and then we give it to God and ask Him to do what He will. Then, we try and use wisdom with the opportunities that we get as a band. Sometimes we miss opportunities. Sometimes we take opportunities we probably shouldn't, but there really isn't a magic formula. God puts a lamp unto your feet, not a floodlight to your future. Every step has to be made in faith.

These are the kind of thoughts that keep you coming back to God with thoughts and prayers that sound something like..


Give me a revelation
Show me what to do
'cause I've been trying to find my way
I haven't got a clue
Tell me should I stay here
Or do I need to move
Give me a Revelation
I got nothing without you.

I'm actually really po'd at the "fans" on here that made him even have to type that.

[The Unknown Gomer]

...I'm actually really po'd at the "fans" on here that made him even have to type that.

I know. The CD isn't even officially out yet, and already there are people questioning the band's future motives and plans based on a few media comments. :confused:

Gee, just a week ago, the band being on the cover of Billboard was a GOOD thing... amazing how things change in one week's time. :rolleyes:

[Debbie]

Well, I have to say I am very disappointed. People keep saying "the messsage will stay the same", but can any of you see any rock stations playing something like Cry Out To Jesus, or Mountain of God? IMO, I think people have become to slack in what they call "Christian Music", I have heard people call You and Me by Lifehouse a Christian song. There is a differance between a song with a good message and a Christian song.

As DC Talk put it, when we crossover, we are taking the cross with us. AMEN!

Christians should consider putting their faith where it matters most. Outside of the church, outside of what many would call good Christian music, outside of the good Christian "normal". In my heart of hearts, Third Day will not change, not from the men they have become and continue to be, nor the music and purpose for which they make it.

I'm honored to know they are willing to step out of their comfort zone for Christ and for the lives of all of the people, not just you and me. Their Mothers must be dancing to the high heavens!!

Let me give you an example: One of the kids from the neighborhood that grew up with our kids...All grown now, he calls himself an atheist. All he listens to is thrashing music. What a cute kid he was, he lives like most normal people. Without Christ, are you normal? Here are my choice's, I can say to him, your not allowed in my home because you are an atheist. Your music is death, or I can do this:

Allow him in my home and be a living witness to him, by my actions, my love, my respect and my faith. And for Christmas, we gave him a heavy Christian Rock album and watched him play his air guitar to it. When I knew he had listened, I ask him how he liked? Loved it, he says...and then I said, oh good, those guys have been making Christian music for years, I like them too. The look on his face was priceless....How do you say WOW!

I met him on his level, without jeopardizing my own faith, and slowly but surely, his attitude is changing. The more he changes, the more I can give and the more he will take. He is a child of God, he just was not raised up to know it.

Do you think he would have accepted a bible 1st, or an album of the Gaither's? Many feel to be a Christian, you have to listen to gospel music, only hell and brimstone preaching, can't go the movies or they have to give up their Lynyrd Skynyrd records. That just is not so.....

[3D NC fan]

As DC Talk put it, when we crossover, we are taking the cross with us. AMEN!

Christians should consider putting their faith where it matters most. Outside of the church, outside of what many would call good Christian music, outside of the good Christian "normal". In my heart of hearts, Third Day will not change, not from the men they have become and continue to be, nor the music and purpose for which they make it.

I'm honored to know they are willing to step out of their comfort zone for Christ and for the lives of all of the people, not just you and me. Their Mothers must be dancing to the high heavens!!

Let me give you an example: One of the kids from the neighborhood that grew up with our kids...All grown now, he calls himself an atheist. All he listens to is thrashing music. What a cute kid he was, he lives like most normal people. Without Christ, are you normal? Here are my choice's, I can say to him, your not allowed in my home because you are an atheist. Your music is death, or I can do this:

Allow him in my home and be a living witness to him, by my actions, my love, my respect and my faith. And for Christmas, we gave him a heavy Christian Rock album and watched him play his air guitar to it. When I knew he had listened, I ask him how he liked? Loved it, he says...and then I said, oh good, those guys have been making Christian music for years, I like them too. The look on his face was priceless....How do you say WOW!

I met him on his level, without jeopardizing my own faith, and slowly but surely, his attitude is changing. The more he changes, the more I can give and the more he will take. He is a child of God, he just was not raised up to know it.

Do you think he would have accepted a bible 1st, or an album of the Gaither's? Many feel to be a Christian, you have to listen to gospel music, only hell and brimstone preaching, can't go the movies or they have to give up their Lynyrd Skynyrd records. That just is not so.....

Love this story! People will often come into my office and hear 3D playing. One of my co-workers has asked me for some of their music and I plan to get a copy of Revelation for her. May the guys be witnesses to all the world!

[Debbie]

but can any of you see any rock stations playing something like Cry Out To Jesus, or Mountain of God?.

YES!

Take Mercy Me for example with the chorus to "I Can Only Imagine":

Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for You Jesus or in awe of You be still
Will I stand in Your presence or to my knees will I fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

So, why wouldn't they play:
There is hope for the helpless, rest for the weary,
and love for the broken hearts.
There is grace and forgiveness, mercy and healing
He'll meet you wherever you are.

Cry out to Jesus. Cry out to Jesus.



Or:
Even though the journey's long
And I know the road is hard
Well, the One who's gone before me
He will help me carry on
After all that I've been through, now I realize the truth
That I must go through the valley to stand upon the mountain of God

[Gandalf]

YES!
On that one I'd disagree with you, not so much because of the lyrics, but because those two songs aren't really rock songs ... they fit the genre of adult contemporary, not of a rock station. There are plenty of great rock songs that Third Day has put out, though. I could easily see Come On Back To Me or How Do You Know or Til The Day I Die getting airtime on a rock station. Or even a "higher-JPM" rock song. Heck, DC Talk had Jesus Freak all over secular radio back in the day ... the lyrics aren't the primary reason that Cry Out To Jesus isn't on rock stations; it's just not much of a rock song.

[Debbie]

On that one I'd disagree with you, not so much because of the lyrics, but because those two songs aren't really rock songs ... they fit the genre of adult contemporary, not of a rock station. There are plenty of great rock songs that Third Day has put out, though. I could easily see Come On Back To Me or How Do You Know or Til The Day I Die getting airtime on a rock station. Or even a "higher-JPM" rock song. Heck, DC Talk had Jesus Freak all over secular radio back in the day ... the lyrics aren't the primary reason that Cry Out To Jesus isn't on rock stations; it's just not much of a rock song.

Well true, but could get secular play in the adult contemporary market. I think I blocked the rock and went for secular market.

Thanks Gandalf!

[clemsontigers23]

Cry Out to Jesus and Mountain of God would never get played on any type of secular radio stations, and since it's been three years since WYA released, they won't ever be played on secular radio stations. Call My Name has a chance of being played on Adult Contemporary, but not Top 40. Slow Down, on the other hand, has a chance to get played on Top 40 radio. It's the same with Otherside.

I almost feel like the Christian music industry is a box and the record companies are keeping Third Day locked inside and not letting them spread their best musical qualities. This album was a huge step forward musically for Third Day. I think Third Day knows that on the last couple of albums, the music had been lacking somewhat. Now, somehow Third Day has enabled each member to shine in their own way. Tai's bass is more noticable, especially in songs like Shake This House. Mark's guitar has improved even more, and his solos have gotten better. He's done a great job of taking on Brad's solos as well. Speaking of Brad, his guitar has gotten even better. Even though he's no longer with the band, you can still hear him shine. David's drums have gotten pretty funky as well. The album sounds like it could be a hit in secular markets, and like I said, this is a huge opportunity to witness and to bring in a lot more fans. The only thing Third Day will be limited by is Essential Records if they decide they won't want their music to be taken to the mainstream. Essential has done a decent job exposing Red and Pillar to hard rock markets (although, not nearly good enough) so there is hope, but I almost feel like they don't think Third Day could be successful in the secular market, when in fact, this is extremely false.

Tai's blog speaks one thing to me, and that is uncertainty. Tai sounds like he would love to be able to be heard in secular markets while not abandoning their Christian fanbase, but as I've mentioned many times before, Tai knows how bands like Switchfoot, Relient K, Flyleaf, and P.O.D. have been able to build a large mainstream following while keeping their core audience. It sounds like he just doesn't know if the label is interested in the idea, but I can almost guarantee that the band will at least propose the idea to those in charge of the operations.

I don't know why radio stations are reporting that the band is crossing over. I would have to hear a source, and like Tai said, it's unbelievable that they are reporting this without even speaking to the band personally. I'll admit I will be disappointed if they don't attempt to crossover, but either way Revelation is the best Third Day album to date, and while the future is uncertain, God will direct their paths into the direction He has for them to follow.

I say, go ye out into the world and spread the gospel, and good music! Forget the failure of Wire, that is in the past, and it did not sound like it had much of a chance in the mainstream markets anyways, even though it's my second favorite album by them, but Revelation is just raw rock.

[Gandalf]

I almost feel like the Christian music industry is a box and the record companies are keeping Third Day locked inside and not letting them spread their best musical qualities. This album was a huge step forward musically for Third Day.

...

Revelation is just raw rock.
I'm looking forward to hearing Revelation then, if this review is accurate! So far, Call My Name is the only song I've heard from it, and that's musically a follow-up to Cry Out To Jesus rather than a rock song.

[Corrine]

but Revelation is just raw rock.

OOoo, but according to Showbread, "Raw rock kills!" :eek: Oh, but maybe they mean that in a good way. I've never thought of that before. Okay, carry on. Nothing to see here. :o

[sandyandporter]

I'm looking forward to hearing Revelation then, if this review is accurate! So far, Call My Name is the only song I've heard from it, and that's musically a follow-up to Cry Out To Jesus rather than a rock song.

You are in for a treat. I've listened to the entire cd a MINIMUM of 80 times. :eek: It totally rocks. Slow Down, Run to You and Otherside are the heaviest rocking songs. Really, really good stuff!

[3D NC fan]

You are in for a treat. I've listened to the entire cd a MINIMUM of 80 times. :eek: It totally rocks. Slow Down, Run to You and Otherside are the heaviest rocking songs. Really, really good stuff!

Only 80 times? :)

Revelation stays on at my office all day. I haven't stopped listening to it since I pre-ordered.

[Corrine]

If you want to read the article right on Third Day's website, it's right here (http://www.thirdday.com/assets/thirddaybillboard.pdf).

Oh, by the way, I'm fairly certain that's my hand there right in front of Tai. ;)

92287

[The Unknown Gomer]

Only 80 times? :)

Revelation stays on at my office all day. I haven't stopped listening to it since I pre-ordered.

Ditto. I think I know the words better to Revelation than I do some of their older stuff now. :cool:

[3D NC fan]

Ditto. I think I know the words better to Revelation than I do some of their older stuff now. :cool:

David mentioned at one of the meet & greets that he would be glad when we knew all the words and could sing along. Mission accomplished! We'll be singing along next week! :D

[sandyandporter]

David mentioned at one of the meet & greets that he would be glad when we knew all the words and could sing along. Mission accomplished! We'll be singing along next week! :D

They'll be lucky if I don't jump onstage and join them AT MY FIRST THIRD DAY CONCERT ON 8/9/08!!!

[Corrine]

They'll be lucky if I don't jump onstage and join them AT MY FIRST THIRD DAY CONCERT ON 8/9/08!!!

Oh, are you going to your first Third Day concert on 8/9/08? I didn't know that. You haven't said anything about it in 100 threads. ;) :D

[sandyandporter]

Oh, are you going to your first Third Day concert on 8/9/08? I didn't know that. You haven't said anything about it in 100 threads. ;) :D

I only wish I could get excited about it... ;)

[3D NC fan]

Oh, are you going to your first Third Day concert on 8/9/08? I didn't know that. You haven't said anything about it in 100 threads. ;) :D

Just like I haven't mentioned seeing the guys at Sonfest next week. ;)

[sandyandporter]

Just like I haven't mentioned seeing the guys at Sonfest next week. ;)

If you "call rubbing it in my face", mentioning it!
:eek: :mad: ;)

[3D NC fan]

If you "call rubbing it in my face", mentioning it!
:eek: :mad: ;)

No, that's not what I meant or would call it. I can't help that 3D will be here before there. It's just great to be able to look forward to another concert.

[sandyandporter]

No, that's not what I meant or would call it. I can't help that 3D will be here before there. It's just great to be able to look forward to another concert.

See... there you go again. Looking forward to ANOTHER concert when I haven't even seen one! ;) :P

[3D NC fan]

See... there you go again. Looking forward to ANOTHER concert when I haven't even seen one! ;) :P

I know you will be blessed by the concert. I just hope the guys are prepared in case you decide to jump on stage. :)

[The Unknown Gomer]

See... there you go again. Looking forward to ANOTHER concert when I haven't even seen one! ;) :P

But I think there's a rumor going around that you will be, soon. Don't remember where I saw that though... :P

[sandyandporter]

But I think there's a rumor going around that you will be, soon. Don't remember where I saw that though... :P

Hmmmmmmmmm. I have no idea. I didn't think I'd mentioned it.

Have we officially hijacked this thread? That may be for the best!

[Debbie]

Oh, by the way, I'm fairly certain that's my hand there right in front of Tai. ;)

92287

What, that was totally mine! :D

[Tracey]

What, that was totally mine! :D

you two are such dorks lol but i love ya both.

[Mikster]

The only thing Third Day will be limited by is Essential Records if they decide they won't want their music to be taken to the mainstream. Essential has done a decent job exposing Red and Pillar to hard rock markets (although, not nearly good enough) so there is hope, but I almost feel like they don't think Third Day could be successful in the secular market, when in fact, this is extremely false.

Tai's blog speaks one thing to me, and that is uncertainty. Tai sounds like he would love to be able to be heard in secular markets while not abandoning their Christian fanbase, but as I've mentioned many times before, Tai knows how bands like Switchfoot, Relient K, Flyleaf, and P.O.D. have been able to build a large mainstream following while keeping their core audience. It sounds like he just doesn't know if the label is interested in the idea, but I can almost guarantee that the band will at least propose the idea to those in charge of the operations.



I want to add some comments on this post, then go on to talk about Switchfoot.

I agree that there are many folks in the CCM industry and outside) who put the music into a box. But, I highly doubt that Essential Records will be holding back anything that results in record sales. Sales means $$$$. And besides, ultimately Essential Records, when you go up the chain, is not owned by a "Christian" company.

I can tell you for a fact that 3D's new management company wants to break the mold that seems to keep a fence around "Christian" music and get Third Day exposed to more people. (I attended a workshop at GMA where reps from their management company were on a panel discussion.) Billboard, I would guess, is a part of that.

I'd bet that is one reason why 3D switched to a new business manager. Now, does this translate to mainstream exposure? Well, not necessarily. As Tai mentioned, a lot of how 3D gets known is thru friends playing the music for them. It's a fact that only a small percentage of Christians listen to Christian radio. So, what other ways can 3D be exposed to more people other than thru word of mouth? TV shows? Movies? These were ideas that have been considered according to the panel discussion I went to in April. Is having 3D's music on TV shows and movies a bad thing? I don't think so.

And by the way, Switchfoot also switched management companies to the same as 3D.

As for Tai's uncertainty. this is how I read into what he said. I have interviewed and chatted with many bands so this comes from my experience, not hearsay or guessing. Though my first thought was that Tai remembers his excitement when Wire was released in the hopes of gaining more exposure. We know that did not happen.

Something else to think about is that music is simply not selling these days. That is a fact in whatever genre. So every musician who makes a living on music sales is uncertain about the future. Also, with any new release, many bands are uncertain for how the music will do when it is put out there for folks to hear. Musicians have put their heart out and put out what they think is their best music ever, and it flops. Or maybe it does not flop, but it sells the same or less than the last record.

That is what I was thinking when I read Tai's hesitancy or uncertainty.

Now onto the whole "Switchfoot does not have Christian lyrics" or "Switchfoot has watered down their message." I posted on threads like this here when Wire came out. I posted on the SF message boards many a time about these and similar topics.

I am not going to talk specific about their lyrics. I have a history with the band. The first time I met them was in 1997 at a 3D concert. It was one of the first times I realized that musicians are people just like everyone else. I mean, they made me feel so comfortable and I did not feel like they were superstars or anything like that. They remain the same today.

Though I saw them in concert here and there, I did not actually buy a CD until 2000. That was also the first time I ever interviewed them. I also worked security at that show when I interviewed them, and ya know what? They are perhaps the first band I ever heard, "Thank you for your volunteer work," when I was checking their passes. And guess what? They STILL thank people who volunteer at their shows. Whether it be security or merch or whatever. And it is still rare to hear that from bands.

So 2000 is when I really got to know the band better, and I called myself a fan. When I say get to know the band better, it goes beyond just listening to their music. and attending shows. I have met the band many times, and have seen them in many different circumstances. They are some of the most humble guys I have ever met. And the increased success and exposure has not changed. Unless maybe they are more humble.

When I say I have seen their humility in many circumstances, this ranges from bumping into them backstage all day when I am working a show (believe me, you see the "true colors" of folks backstage). I have seen them onstage. I have seen them at meet and greets. I have seen them at meals. I have seen them walking down the street outside the venue. I have seen them hang out with fans by their bus at the end of a long day. I have seen them come out to talk with their fans at an amusement park when their show was canceled due to a tornado. (Knowing the fans wanted to meet them, even in the rain, and knowing that the guys would not mind, I plucked them out of their dressing rooms when I told them there were fans hoping to meet them.) I have seen them play at clubs with 50 people to festivals with 80k people. They remain the same.

I once saw them at a mainstream rock radio outdoor festival soon after The Beautiful Letdown came out. They were the first band to play. It was noon and it had been raining so there was mud everywhere. People were drunk and sliding in the mud during their set. People were throwing things on stage. About 3 people knew who SF was and sang along to the songs. Jon looked as if he was thinking, "Oh my, what have we gotten ourselves into?" Then he saw me, and a sense of peace came over his face. After the set, I went up to the backstage edge to talk with them, and this drunk girl was attempting to throw herself all over Chad, the drummer. He responded appropriately, and the drunk girl left. A year later, after much more exposure, they closed a rock radio festival not far from where I saw them open.

As for their lyrics, if you go and read their lyrics from day one, you will see they are not talking any more or less about God. Their lyrics have never been overtly "Christian" on every song even in their beginnings as a band. They wrestle with life issues, many of which you and I have probably grappled with at one time or another. I don't walk around all day talking about God directly. Why should SF?

And let me put another truth out on the table. Many people say that SF watered down their message as soon as they got a mainstream record deal, ie TBL. Well, did you know that TBL was written and recorded BEFORE they signed the record deal with Columbia? Yes! I was at Creation in 2002 when they were talking about it with the press. So don't tell me they all changed when they got signed. The only thing that changed was the release date, which got pushed off a few times.

Oh, and there have been many bands that have started on a Christian label who have gotten signed to mainstream. More than just the ones mentioned here, and more than most people even know or seem to want to write threads about saying. "omigosh they are crossing over!"

[clemsontigers23]

I want to add some comments on this post, then go on to talk about Switchfoot.

I agree that there are many folks in the CCM industry and outside) who put the music into a box. But, I highly doubt that Essential Records will be holding back anything that results in record sales. Sales means $$$$. And besides, ultimately Essential Records, when you go up the chain, is not owned by a "Christian" company.

I can tell you for a fact that 3D's new management company wants to break the mold that seems to keep a fence around "Christian" music and get Third Day exposed to more people. (I attended a workshop at GMA where reps from their management company were on a panel discussion.) Billboard, I would guess, is a part of that.

I'd bet that is one reason why 3D switched to a new business manager. Now, does this translate to mainstream exposure? Well, not necessarily. As Tai mentioned, a lot of how 3D gets known is thru friends playing the music for them. It's a fact that only a small percentage of Christians listen to Christian radio. So, what other ways can 3D be exposed to more people other than thru word of mouth? TV shows? Movies? These were ideas that have been considered according to the panel discussion I went to in April. Is having 3D's music on TV shows and movies a bad thing? I don't think so.

And by the way, Switchfoot also switched management companies to the same as 3D.

As for Tai's uncertainty. this is how I read into what he said. I have interviewed and chatted with many bands so this comes from my experience, not hearsay or guessing. Though my first thought was that Tai remembers his excitement when Wire was released in the hopes of gaining more exposure. We know that did not happen.

Something else to think about is that music is simply not selling these days. That is a fact in whatever genre. So every musician who makes a living on music sales is uncertain about the future. Also, with any new release, many bands are uncertain for how the music will do when it is put out there for folks to hear. Musicians have put their heart out and put out what they think is their best music ever, and it flops. Or maybe it does not flop, but it sells the same or less than the last record.

That is what I was thinking when I read Tai's hesitancy or uncertainty.

Now onto the whole "Switchfoot does not have Christian lyrics" or "Switchfoot has watered down their message." I posted on threads like this here when Wire came out. I posted on the SF message boards many a time about these and similar topics.

I am not going to talk specific about their lyrics. I have a history with the band. The first time I met them was in 1997 at a 3D concert. It was one of the first times I realized that musicians are people just like everyone else. I mean, they made me feel so comfortable and I did not feel like they were superstars or anything like that. They remain the same today.

Though I saw them in concert here and there, I did not actually buy a CD until 2000. That was also the first time I ever interviewed them. I also worked security at that show when I interviewed them, and ya know what? They are perhaps the first band I ever heard, "Thank you for your volunteer work," when I was checking their passes. And guess what? They STILL thank people who volunteer at their shows. Whether it be security or merch or whatever. And it is still rare to hear that from bands.

So 2000 is when I really got to know the band better, and I called myself a fan. When I say get to know the band better, it goes beyond just listening to their music. and attending shows. I have met the band many times, and have seen them in many different circumstances. They are some of the most humble guys I have ever met. And the increased success and exposure has not changed. Unless maybe they are more humble.

When I say I have seen their humility in many circumstances, this ranges from bumping into them backstage all day when I am working a show (believe me, you see the "true colors" of folks backstage). I have seen them onstage. I have seen them at meet and greets. I have seen them at meals. I have seen them walking down the street outside the venue. I have seen them hang out with fans by their bus at the end of a long day. I have seen them come out to talk with their fans at an amusement park when their show was canceled due to a tornado. (Knowing the fans wanted to meet them, even in the rain, and knowing that the guys would not mind, I plucked them out of their dressing rooms when I told them there were fans hoping to meet them.) I have seen them play at clubs with 50 people to festivals with 80k people. They remain the same.

I once saw them at a mainstream rock radio outdoor festival soon after The Beautiful Letdown came out. They were the first band to play. It was noon and it had been raining so there was mud everywhere. People were drunk and sliding in the mud during their set. People were throwing things on stage. About 3 people knew who SF was and sang along to the songs. Jon looked as if he was thinking, "Oh my, what have we gotten ourselves into?" Then he saw me, and a sense of peace came over his face. After the set, I went up to the backstage edge to talk with them, and this drunk girl was attempting to throw herself all over Chad, the drummer. He responded appropriately, and the drunk girl left. A year later, after much more exposure, they closed a rock radio festival not far from where I saw them open.

As for their lyrics, if you go and read their lyrics from day one, you will see they are not talking any more or less about God. Their lyrics have never been overtly "Christian" on every song even in their beginnings as a band. They wrestle with life issues, many of which you and I have probably grappled with at one time or another. I don't walk around all day talking about God directly. Why should SF?

And let me put another truth out on the table. Many people say that SF watered down their message as soon as they got a mainstream record deal, ie TBL. Well, did you know that TBL was written and recorded BEFORE they signed the record deal with Columbia? Yes! I was at Creation in 2002 when they were talking about it with the press. So don't tell me they all changed when they got signed. The only thing that changed was the release date, which got pushed off a few times.

Oh, and there have been many bands that have started on a Christian label who have gotten signed to mainstream. More than just the ones mentioned here, and more than most people even know or seem to want to write threads about saying. "omigosh they are crossing over!"

Very well said, and with experience to back it up. I've been blessed many times by Switchfoot's lyrics (mainly from "Nothing Is Sound", which I still consider to be their masterpiece), and it's beyond me how ppl can't pick up on the spirituality in TBL (especially the title song, and Gone) and how they could say Switchfoot sold out.

The only thing that discouraged me about 3D was the quote from Provident which said they had no plans of exposing 3D to the mainstream through radio, unless it's on AC Pop with Call My Name, which is why I'm somewhat discouraged and saddened.

I think the band that's doing the best job of taking the gospel to the streets is P.O.D., who are humble Christians but they have also played things such as Ozzfest. I think being able to take the gospel to places like that is incredible, and I know they've been used by God as a vessel for people to be saved (I am one of them). There is absolutely nothing wrong with going mainstream; in fact, if a band gets the opportunity, it's almost imperative that they do, unless they have been called in some other way.

[Mr.Supervious]

just to let yall know....



CALL MY NAME IS #1 ON BILLBOARD!!!!!!!!!

[The Unknown Gomer]

just to let yall know....



CALL MY NAME IS #1 ON BILLBOARD!!!!!!!!!


... in the Christian/Gospel category.

Doesn't look like they've quite "crossed over" yet. ;)

[Corrine]

See... there you go again. Looking forward to ANOTHER concert when I haven't even seen one! ;) :P
You'd better be careful. Third Day concerts are addicting! This won't be your last! When you get home from your concert, you will be listening to that WIRED radio every day! You won't be able to get enough! :D I speak from experience.
What, that was totally mine! :D I don't think so. That's my ring on that hand! Do you want to take this outside? :D

Now onto the whole "Switchfoot does not have Christian lyrics" or "Switchfoot has watered down their message." I posted on threads like this here when Wire came out. I posted on the SF message boards many a time about these and similar topics.

. . .

As for their lyrics, if you go and read their lyrics from day one, you will see they are not talking any more or less about God. Their lyrics have never been overtly "Christian" on every song even in their beginnings as a band. They wrestle with life issues, many of which you and I have probably grappled with at one time or another. I don't walk around all day talking about God directly. Why should SF?

And let me put another truth out on the table. Many people say that SF watered down their message as soon as they got a mainstream record deal, ie TBL. Well, did you know that TBL was written and recorded BEFORE they signed the record deal with Columbia? Yes! I was at Creation in 2002 when they were talking about it with the press. So don't tell me they all changed when they got signed. The only thing that changed was the release date, which got pushed off a few times.

This is what I wanted to say, but I'm not as familar with SF lyrics as I am with 3D lyrics, so I couldn't say it with all certainty. I'm glad someone who knows did. Thank you, Kim. :)

[Tracey]

Magazine comes out tomorrow right??? I got some money left over from today...I GOTTA get that magazine! I am framing it hehe.

[sandyandporter]

You'd better be careful. Third Day concerts are addicting! This won't be your last! When you get home from your concert, you will be listening to that WIRED radio every day! You won't be able to get enough! :D I speak from experience.

I have listened to the Wired radio ALL day EVERY day since I joined Wired.... and I was one of the first to join. I now listen to Revelation ALL day EVERY day, until I'm in my car and then I listen to Third Day cd's. I'm ALREADY addicted. This is just the first chance I've had to go. The only other time they were near me was 2 days after my throat surgery. I can't go to a TD concert and not sing every song! So that wasn't feasible. Then I wanted to fly to Georgia and go with Andi, but the show was on Good Friday and I had to sing at church.

Sooooooooooooooooo I'm already past the point of obsession. I would not be surprised at ALL to find a restraining order waiting for me at the gates at Unity Fest! It would probably be the prudent thing for them to do. I won't rest till I find them!

[Tracey]

Officially MAD!!! My Third Day song to Byron, Rochester and Kasson MN right now is...YOU MAKE ME MAD!!! No one has the flippin magazine...see I totally need to get back home where we have Borders!

[Debbie]

I don't think so. That's my ring on that hand! Do you want to take this outside? :D


Now I know, even with your glasses on, you can't see that ring :D

[Mikster]

Very well said, and with experience to back it up. I've been blessed many times by Switchfoot's lyrics (mainly from "Nothing Is Sound", which I still consider to be their masterpiece), and it's beyond me how ppl can't pick up on the spirituality in TBL (especially the title song, and Gone) and how they could say Switchfoot sold out.

The only thing that discouraged me about 3D was the quote from Provident which said they had no plans of exposing 3D to the mainstream through radio, unless it's on AC Pop with Call My Name, which is why I'm somewhat discouraged and saddened.

I think the band that's doing the best job of taking the gospel to the streets is P.O.D., who are humble Christians but they have also played things such as Ozzfest. I think being able to take the gospel to places like that is incredible, and I know they've been used by God as a vessel for people to be saved (I am one of them). There is absolutely nothing wrong with going mainstream; in fact, if a band gets the opportunity, it's almost imperative that they do, unless they have been called in some other way.

Thanx for reading my post. Wow, I did not realize how long it was. I should save it somewhere so I can use it again.

Anyway, I have not seen what you say about Provident and mainstream radio. But, there are many ways nowadays to get the music out there. Sometimes, if people hear, "That last song was by Third Day," you may have preconceived notions about the band. But, hearing a song on a TV show or commercial or movie, and not knowing who the band is, might capture someones attention.

As for Christians taking the gospel to the streets, take a look at the bands who are playing the Vans Warped Tour each year. Family Force 5, Anberlin, Relient K, August Burns Red, and more are playing this year. And this is not new. In past years Underoath has made a big splash there, as well as The Almost. I can't think of any more, but the list goes on. This is what I mean by the lesser known bands who are out there. Many people think of Switchfoot and POD and Relient K among others, but the list is increasing all the time.

And, there are bands not signed to a Christian label who are comprised of Christians who have also toured on the Warped Tour. Last year in the press area, EVERYONE who heard I was planning to interview The Rocket Summer said, "Oh, Bryce is so wonderful. You will love him! What a great guy!" I smiled knowing it was his love for God showing through to the people.

[Corrine]

Now I know, even with your glasses on, you can't see that ring :D

No, look. It's shiny!

[Jason]

No, look. It's shiny!

Ohhhhhhhh shiny!

Jason (who does not have ADD)

[clemsontigers23]

Thanx for reading my post. Wow, I did not realize how long it was. I should save it somewhere so I can use it again.

Anyway, I have not seen what you say about Provident and mainstream radio. But, there are many ways nowadays to get the music out there. Sometimes, if people hear, "That last song was by Third Day," you may have preconceived notions about the band. But, hearing a song on a TV show or commercial or movie, and not knowing who the band is, might capture someones attention.

As for Christians taking the gospel to the streets, take a look at the bands who are playing the Vans Warped Tour each year. Family Force 5, Anberlin, Relient K, August Burns Red, and more are playing this year. And this is not new. In past years Underoath has made a big splash there, as well as The Almost. I can't think of any more, but the list goes on. This is what I mean by the lesser known bands who are out there. Many people think of Switchfoot and POD and Relient K among others, but the list is increasing all the time.

And, there are bands not signed to a Christian label who are comprised of Christians who have also toured on the Warped Tour. Last year in the press area, EVERYONE who heard I was planning to interview The Rocket Summer said, "Oh, Bryce is so wonderful. You will love him! What a great guy!" I smiled knowing it was his love for God showing through to the people.

At least Otherside by Third Day and one of the new songs from P.O.D. will be on Nascar 09 which is coming out this Tuesday. It's great to see not one, but two Christian bands get exposure on a mainstream game.

[SirMax]

okay time for me to vent

People can't find the magazine at the store ....well they sent me the wrong issue!

I go on the website and there is Third Day on the website with "buy this week's issue" link beside it. I click it, I buy it and today I get the May 31 issue!!!! Go to the website now and you see the issue with Missy on it. Okay guess where the Third Day issue is located now? In the back issue section (um...today 6-7-2008 is the issue date btw) for $12.99 instead of $6.99 for the week's issue. WHAT????? Yes I have sent Billboard Magazine an email to complain about this....was I wrong to assume I would be actually buying the magazine displayed?????

through venting now

[Debbie]

well they sent me the wrong issue!



Me too! I got two of the wrong issue......who are those people on the front? I'm calling Monday.......dratz!

[GraceAbounds]

This thread has been discouraging to me, as well as Tai (and I'm sure the rest of the band). Let's just stop worrying about where Third Day is going with their new album until A. it comes out, and B. time has shown us what kind of audience Revelation will impact.

As for the magazine article, it's quite an impressive achievement, not a blueprint for Third Day's beliefs or goals. Besides, to allay any fears, please note that a whole page is dedicated to say, "Third Day keeps the faith." The article is purely journalistic in approach and does not report as if it has an axe to grind or an agenda to accomplish. The "Crossover" seems to be referring more to the collaborations, management changes, and producer changes rather than a change in actual target audience.

So take it for what it is, and please, please show your respect to the group for the wonderful accomplishment of being the first Christian band to grace the covers of Billboard. We love Third Day! :D

[jesus loves me]

This thread has been discouraging to me, as well as Tai (and I'm sure the rest of the band). Let's just stop worrying about where Third Day is going with their new album until A. it comes out, and B. time has shown us what kind of audience Revelation will impact. As for the magazine article, it's quite an impressive achievement, not a blueprint for Third Day's beliefs or goals. Besides, to allay any fears, please note that a whole page is dedicated to say, "Third Day keeps the faith." The article is purely journalistic in approach and does not report as if it has an axe to grind or an agenda to accomplish. The "Crossover" seems to be referring more to the collaborations, management changes, and producer changes rather than a change in actual target audience. So take it for what it is, and please, please show your respect to the group for the wonderful accomplishment of being the first Christian band to grace the covers of Billboard. We love Third Day! :D wish you'd said this days ago! it is my favorite response so far. thanks.

[Marmoo68]

okay time for me to vent

People can't find the magazine at the store ....well they sent me the wrong issue!

I go on the website and there is Third Day on the website with "buy this week's issue" link beside it. I click it, I buy it and today I get the May 31 issue!!!! Go to the website now and you see the issue with Missy on it. Okay guess where the Third Day issue is located now? In the back issue section (um...today 6-7-2008 is the issue date btw) for $12.99 instead of $6.99 for the week's issue. WHAT????? Yes I have sent Billboard Magazine an email to complain about this....was I wrong to assume I would be actually buying the magazine displayed?????

through venting now


Oh man, I almost ordered one off of the website, so glad I didn't. But how on earth could they have the June 7th issue in the back issues already. And at double the price!!! What a crock!!! Go get 'em Judge Wendy!!!

[Tracey]

okay time for me to vent

People can't find the magazine at the store ....well they sent me the wrong issue!

I go on the website and there is Third Day on the website with "buy this week's issue" link beside it. I click it, I buy it and today I get the May 31 issue!!!! Go to the website now and you see the issue with Missy on it. Okay guess where the Third Day issue is located now? In the back issue section (um...today 6-7-2008 is the issue date btw) for $12.99 instead of $6.99 for the week's issue. WHAT????? Yes I have sent Billboard Magazine an email to complain about this....was I wrong to assume I would be actually buying the magazine displayed?????

through venting now

Me too! I got two of the wrong issue......who are those people on the front? I'm calling Monday.......dratz!


Sheesh I am glad I am not the only one having issues finding this...but I hate any of us are having issues. If someone gets it figured out please let me know...I was going to buy mine online...but if they're sending out the wrong ones...what do we do now??? :eek: :mad:

[webo]

This thread has been discouraging to me, as well as Tai (and I'm sure the rest of the band).


Yeah, Tai's letter was quite reassuring and eloquently written. The band is not going to "completely abandon the Christian music industry," as clemsontigers encourages them to.

Tail sums it up in this graph:
"We recognize that their are challenges with being labeled a Christian band, but we also recognize that there have been huge blessings as well. We have a very loyal audience that actually listens and responds to the things that we have to say in our music. The music means something to them, and they get involved with causes that we care about. Are their challenges and limitation, are there ceilings as a Christian band? Maybe, but how many of those are self imposed? A lot of other bands have done a lot to pave the way for Christian music to be treated seriously. You take the bad with the good. We've seen our music make a real difference in people's lives, and we would never want to sacrifice that."

[clemsontigers23]

I just think the corruption of the industry holds them back from accomplishing as much as they could. The Christian music industry is a business just like any other business and they would hate for Third Day to crossover because then they couldn't monopolize the profits made from album sales and the like. I'm sorry if it "discourages you" that I want Third Day to take this message to the mainstream, but that's how it is. You also don't speak for Tai, let Tai speak for himself.

[JanetRN]

I bought mine Friday at Books A Million. When I went there last week they didn't have this issue they had someone else on it. I'd suggest that you go to stores this week. (The issue "online" will hit the stores this Friday 8/13, SO the one with 3D on it will be in stores until then)

Hope everyone gets it :)

[Jason]

You also don't speak for Tai, let Tai speak for himself.

He did let Tai speak for himself. That was a direct quote from him.

[webo]

He did let Tai speak for himself. That was a direct quote from him.

Yeah, couldn't have been more direct.

[webo]

I'm sorry if it "discourages you" that I want Third Day to take this message to the mainstream, but that's how it is.



Doesn't discourage me at all. You're confusing my post with someone else's. I would love for 3D's message to be more accessible. But I think it can be done without "completely abandoning the Christian music industry." And based on that blog, it appears the band does, too.

Oh, wait, I wouldn't want to be accused of putting words into Tai's mouth. So here is another key graph:
"Will we compromise who we are and our faith message to reach a larger audience? No. Will we respectful of the situations where we find ourselves and present our message and music wisely? I hope so, but that is what praying daily is all about too. You can join in if you'd like."

And here is the entire blog:

http://www.thirdday.com/markblog.htm

[Corrine]

I just think the corruption of the industry holds them back from accomplishing as much as they could. The Christian music industry is a business just like any other business and they would hate for Third Day to crossover because then they couldn't monopolize the profits made from album sales and the like.

What does this even mean? Why would the record company not want them to crossover? Wouldn't that mean mean more record sales and more money for them?

[SirMax]

Oh man, I almost ordered one off of the website, so glad I didn't. But how on earth could they have the June 7th issue in the back issues already. And at double the price!!! What a crock!!! Go get 'em Judge Wendy!!!

Well I email them (haven't heard anything yet) but I do believe they sent me the wrong issue by mistake. When I got to looking at the address label it states 6-7-08 so I truly think they put the May 31st issue in by mistake. I wrote them back again to tell them this so hopefully they will fix the problem. I still don't quite understand why the June 7th issue is now listed on the back issue page....I just want my issue!

[clemsontigers23]

What does this even mean? Why would the record company not want them to crossover? Wouldn't that mean mean more record sales and more money for them?

no, because they know they risk losing the core Christian audience that they have, which is why record companies make bands put at least one worship song on every album and why they force bands to make worship albums and also restrict the band's creative process, which is why bands like Switchfoot and Mute Math leave the Christian industry.

[Tracey]

no, because they know they risk losing the core Christian audience that they have, which is why record companies make bands put at least one worship song on every album and why they force bands to make worship albums and also restrict the band's creative process, which is why bands like Switchfoot and Mute Math leave the Christian industry.

:rolleyes:

Didn't you guys know he was with the band and knows EVERYTHING there is to know that goes on 'behind the scenes'????

[webo]

:rolleyes:

Didn't you guys know he was with the band and knows EVERYTHING there is to know that goes on 'behind the scenes'????

I thought he was former Clemson safety Chris Russell from Nashville, who wore No. 23 in the '06 season.

[Tim]

Don't personalize the attacks on our friend from Clemson. Everybody has opinions so no harm, no foul but please keep it from being personal. That shouldn't happen on here.

My personal perspective is that is absolutely the coolest thing that they appeared on the cover of Billboard. I'm as proud as I can be. The article is great the Blogs are great and Third Day will continue to be successful no matter what genre they are put in because they do honor to their Creator and no matter what and where they are played or play, they have hard core fans like me who love what they stand for and love their music. So peace and love to all and just I can't wait til Revelation hits the market. The Buzz is good.:)

[Mikster]

Wow. I hope all of you guys get the correct issue without a problem. I looked for a copy at Barnes and Noble last week before I read here that they don't carry it any more.

Keep in mind that the magazine date is not always the same date as the magazine hits the shelves. It is common, especially for weekly and bi-weekly magazines.


At least Otherside by Third Day and one of the new songs from P.O.D. will be on Nascar 09 which is coming out this Tuesday. It's great to see not one, but two Christian bands get exposure on a mainstream game.

Don't forget all of the Christian artists/bands who have had songs played on the "Grey's Anatomy" TV show. Jon Foreman, Mat Kearney, Skillet. There may be some I have missed.

I just think the corruption of the industry holds them back from accomplishing as much as they could. The Christian music industry is a business just like any other business and they would hate for Third Day to crossover because then they couldn't monopolize the profits made from album sales and the like. I'm sorry if it "discourages you" that I want Third Day to take this message to the mainstream, but that's how it is.

Yes, it is true that CCM is a business. And it may be true that there are things going on in the Christian music industry that holds things back from accomplishing as much as they could. But from my experience and involvement in the industry, I think it may be in some ways more from the, "We've never done that before," attitude when some new idea comes along.

Keep in mind that, as with many Christian record labels, Provident Label Group is ultimately owned by a larger entity. In PLG's case, it is Sony/BMG. So I would expect that Sony would want sales no matter how it is done.


no, because they know they risk losing the core Christian audience that they have, which is why record companies make bands put at least one worship song on every album and why they force bands to make worship albums and also restrict the band's creative process, which is why bands like Switchfoot and Mute Math leave the Christian industry.

Though I am not full-time in the CCM industry, I would say I am fairly entrenched in the biz. And I can say that I have never heard this. Sure, are there some labels out there that think this way? Maybe.

I understand folks are open to their own opinion here. But this comment seems more like fact. I think we need more proof here to show that record labels require a worship song on every record.

And have you spoken with Switchfoot and Mutemath about your statement?

[SirMax]

No reply yet from Billboard...I will give them a few more days and then I'll find a way to call them. I ordered June 7th and I plan to get it somehow.

[The Unknown Gomer]

No reply yet from Billboard...I will give them a few more days and then I'll find a way to call them. I ordered June 7th and I plan to get it somehow.

If you hit a brick wall with them and they don't want to cough up the correct issue, don't forget that if you paid by credit card, call your credit card company and put the charge in dispute, since you ordered June 7, and they sent you something entirely different.

Hmmm.... separated at birth? :confused:

Music Today = Billboard Magazine

:P

[Tracey]

I ordered mine this morning for flippin 12.99 that is ridiculous...but it's THIRD DAY!

[GraceAbounds]

Hmmm.... Come to think about it, I haven't seen Billboard Magazine anywhere around here. All we have in Alabama are gossip tabloids and car magazines :P Guess I'll need to start looking around a bit more.

[Debbie]

I ordered mine this morning for flippin 12.99 that is ridiculous...but it's THIRD DAY!

I have a feeling you are going to get 2 copies...

[The Unknown Gomer]

Doug got his 3D issue of Billboard last week and has this to say about it...

Speaking of which I did get that issue of Billboard in the mail on Friday, all in all they have four pages on them inside; one full page with a picture, one with the article’s title and two full pages with the article itself, which seems smaller than it actually is, with almost all of it filled with words two pages in Bb is like four full pages in any other magazine, don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
Disappointed? Moi? Never. And since I'm coming down for Sonfest on Saturday, he'll be able to give it to me then (assuming he is done perusing all his music stats and standings for the week by then). Yay! :D

[clemsontigers23]

No, of course I don't know these things for sure, here's the deal. CCM radio has a certain type of song that they like to play and a core audience that they like to play it for. That audience is middle-aged soccer moms (no offense to any here). The term "Becky" is used to describe this core audience. Record companies know that in order to get songs on the radio, they have to force the bands to make radio-friendly worship songs, which is why every Christian band has a song that sounds like every other Christian band on every one of their albums. Also, Mute Math sued their label because they didn't want to be known as a Christian band because they knew that gets them nowhere in the secular market and also restricts their creativity. These are all facts. CCM has about as much, if not more, corruption than the secular music industry.

[webo]

CCM has about as much, if not more, corruption than the secular music industry.


So if the secular industry is just as corrupt, why are you advocating that 3D "completely abandon the Christian music industry"?

[clemsontigers23]

So if the secular industry is just as corrupt, why are you advocating that 3D "completely abandon the Christian music industry"?

because at least they'll be able to reach a greater audience that way.

and there are good ones out there...INO has a Christian background but is great in the secular market as well, P.O.D. says they feel right at home and INO never once tried to restrict their music.

[PaulieGomer]

I recently watched the new Toby Mac DVD, "Alive and Transported". about 3/4 into the show, Toby starts talking about music and the gospel. He says, "Christian music isn't going to really change the world for Christ. The Music is really for the body to edify God and help us grow. Christian Music is for Christians. Once in awhile one crosses over, but rarely changes the world for Christ. The clothes you wear or don't wear will not change the world for Christ. The big lavish, clever church buildings (architecture) will not change the world for Christ. It is how we act and walk with Christ that will change the world for Christ."

That said, after reading the BB article, my fears 2 months ago are being realized. All I hear in this article is "blah, blah, blah and Cd unit sales." "We got to get 3D out there to boost Cd sales"

REALLY?!
Well, of course, when you partner with non-believing corporations, who worship the almighty dollar, what would you expect? "How can we creatively use Third day to get the cash from people's hands. Who cares if they are Christian or not."

They actually have a chart on how well Cd units have sold over their career??? Is that what is important? again, REALLY?

First observation/question, which units sold the most? The worship offerings bookended Come Together, all for His (God's) glory and honor. They changed Worship as we know it. The attempts if they were to go mainstream, ironically enough, were very low, due to the over produced, polished and cookie cutter smell to them. Would it be so bad to be known as a worship band, putting Christ first and not Sales or the band's image?

Mel Gibson proved you could do it on your own, without the industry help. Lines of people to see the movie are legendary and in Theater record books. Third Day could also be independant, and God would bless them so much more than this world system could.

Why, would the one time best worship band in the land, want to do anything else? For the art sake? For CD sales?

Really?

This is very disheartening and I will not contribute to the money factory of Nash-Vegas.

[sandyandporter]

I recently watched the new Toby Mac DVD, "Alive and Transported". about 3/4 into the show, Toby starts talking about music and the gospel. He says, "Christian music isn't going to really change the world for Christ. The Music is really for the body to edify God and help us grow. Christian Music is for Christians. Once in awhile one crosses over, but rarely changes the world for Christ. The clothes you wear or don't wear will not change the world for Christ. The big lavish, clever church buildings (architecture) will not change the world for Christ. It is how we act and walk with Christ that will change the world for Christ."

That said, after reading the BB article, my fears 2 months ago are being realized. All I hear in this article is "blah, blah, blah and Cd unit sales." "We got to get 3D out there to boost Cd sales"

REALLY?!
Well, of course, when you partner with non-believing corporations, who worship the almighty dollar, what would you expect? "How can we creatively use Third day to get the cash from people's hands. Who cares if they are Christian or not."

They actually have a chart on how well Cd units have sold over their career??? Is that what is important? again, REALLY?

First observation/question, which units sold the most? The worship offerings bookended Come Together, all for His (God's) glory and honor. They changed Worship as we know it. The attempts if they were to go mainstream, ironically enough, were very low, due to the over produced, polished and cookie cutter smell to them. Would it be so bad to be known as a worship band, putting Christ first and not Sales or the band's image?

Mel Gibson proved you could do it on your own, without the industry help. Lines of people to see the movie are legendary and in Theater record books. Third Day could also be independant, and God would bless them so much more than this world system could.

Why, would the one time best worship band in the land, want to do anything else? For the art sake? For CD sales?

Really?

This is very disheartening and I will not contribute to the money factory of Nash-Vegas.

What are you trying to say here? Don't get me wrong... I like Tobymac but he's all wet on his observations. Of COURSE Christian music has an impact on "non" Christians. Are you saying that Third Day should restrict their music to only people that are already saved? Really? Is that what Jesus would have them do? Preach to the choir?

You think Third Day shouldn't be concerned with cd sales? You think they're being "puppets" for money grubbing heathens? Really? Wow, that's pretty harsh don't you think? Have you even LISTENED to the cd?

Let's just put this out there for ya'll. If you haven't pre-ordered the cd and listened to the passionate words on this cd... STOP COMMENTING UNTIL YOU HAVE. Seriously!

[webo]

I don't think it's an either/or thing. 3D can continue to be a great worship band and still reach the unsaved for Christ.

[PaulieGomer]

What are you trying to say here? Don't get me wrong... I like Tobymac but he's all wet on his observations. Of COURSE Christian music has an impact on "non" Christians. Are you saying that Third Day should restrict their music to only people that are already saved? Really? Is that what Jesus would have them do? Preach to the choir?

You think Third Day shouldn't be concerned with cd sales? You think they're being "puppets" for money grubbing heathens? Really? Wow, that's pretty harsh don't you think? Have you even LISTENED to the cd?

Let's just put this out there for ya'll. If you haven't pre-ordered the cd and listened to the passionate words on this cd... STOP COMMENTING UNTIL YOU HAVE. Seriously!

No, I do not think third Day should be concerned with CD sales. If they put God first in all they do, that will be taken care of.

Should they make songs for saved people only? No, they need to make music for God who gave them the blessing of talent, and who can take it away, not for anyone else.

Yes, they do represent puppets of the industry within this BB article.

I have listened to the samples on the website but not the whole songs. i did buy the preorder CD at Family Bookstores, which I am going back to today and getting a refund, seriously.

[sandyandporter]

No, I do not think third Day should be concerned with CD sales. If they put God first in all they do, that will be taken care of.

Should they make songs for saved people only? No, they need to make music for God who gave them the blessing of talent, and who can take it away, not for anyone else.

Yes, they do represent puppets of the industry within this BB article.

I have listened to the samples on the website but not the whole songs. i did buy the preorder CD at Family Bookstores, which I am going back to today and getting a refund, seriously.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't feel that the godly men of Third Day have become puppets at all. I think the new cd is amazing and glorifies God as much, if not more, than any other cd they've ever done. I'm sure you would feel the same way if you stopped being so judgmental and actually listened to it.

[PaulieGomer]

sandyandporter
Judgemental? that is alittle harsh, I am only making observations based on the article, what did you get out of it?

There is alot about this that makes me very cautious, the links to the secular are scarey for me, maybe not for you.

Hanging out with DMB in their recording studio? Dave is one of the most liberal, atheistic (might I add stoned too) entertainers out there and 3D is connected to this crowd now?

No, I am not judging it is more like lamenting. I have been a fan since 1996 and this is not at all how I envisioned Third Day to become.

just mho... so please back off

[sandyandporter]

sandyandporter
Judgemental? that is alittle harsh, I am only making observations based on the article, what did you get out of it?

There is alot about this that makes me very cautious, the links to the secular are scarey for me, maybe not for you.

Hanging out with DMB in their recording studio? Dave is one of the most liberal, atheistic (might I add stoned too) entertainers out there and 3D is connected to this crowd now?

No, I am not judging it is more like lamenting. I have been a fan since 1996 and this is not at all how I envisioned Third Day to become.

just mho... so please back off

You bascially called them money hungry puppets and that's not being judgemental? You said you're taking the cd back as you're not supporting Nash-Vegas and that's not being judgemental? I live in a secular world, doesn't scare me at all. I'm called to bring as many non-believers to Jesus as possible. Maybe they'll rub off on people like DMB.

You may have been a fan since 1996 but you just turned on them without even hearing the cd. What kind of fan does that? This fan supports the band and after listening to the cd multiple, multiple times, supports every song on that cd.

Also, you can't expect to post negative comments and have no one reply.

Have a great day!

[PaulieGomer]

I'm called to bring as many non-believers to Jesus as possible. Maybe they'll rub off on people like DMB.

Also, you can't expect to post negative comments and have no one reply.

Have a great day!

Oh, rub off like POD and Flyleaf do on the dozens of bands they hang out with on the Ozfest tours? I think not..

sorry for being negative, believe or not, this article and the observation of the self worship has made me very sad and almost ill.

This will be My last post so you guy can continue your love fest..
peace

[TN3Dmom]

Oh, rub off like POD and Flyleaf do on the dozens of bands they hang out with on the Ozfest tours? I think not..

sorry for being negative, believe or not, this article and the observation of the self worship has made me very sad and almost ill.

This will be My last post so you guy can continue your love fest..
peace


I think Jesus might not have converted everyone he came in contact with, but that did not mean he had to hide away from the sinners of the world. You can be holy and righteous among non-believers, even if they are not converting. It's called being Christlike. It's what we are all called to do! I cannot believe people expect the Christian sub-culture to exist all on it's own and ignore the rest of the world. THAT is why so many non-believers stay that way. They think we are all narrow-minded and judgemental.

[sandyandporter]

This will be My last post so you guy can continue your love fest.. peace

You say "love" like it's a bad thing! ;)

[Jason]

To the posts above (I'm too lazy to quote) ...

Of course the Billboard article talked a lot about CD sales. Billboard's main focus is charting ... you guessed it ... CD sales.

In regard to hanging out with Dave Matthews, didn't someone name Jesus get similar grief for hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors?

[silverose]

Of course the Billboard article talked a lot about CD sales. Billboard's main focus is charting ... you guessed it ... CD sales.

You beat me too it! I was going to say pretty much the same thing. Billboard is about business. Also I would add, if you are not hanging out in the world being an influence on the non-Christians, you are not doing your job!

[Mikster]

No, of course I don't know these things for sure, here's the deal. CCM radio has a certain type of song that they like to play and a core audience that they like to play it for. That audience is middle-aged soccer moms (no offense to any here). The term "Becky" is used to describe this core audience. Record companies know that in order to get songs on the radio, they have to force the bands to make radio-friendly worship songs, which is why every Christian band has a song that sounds like every other Christian band on every one of their albums. Also, Mute Math sued their label because they didn't want to be known as a Christian band because they knew that gets them nowhere in the secular market and also restricts their creativity. These are all facts. CCM has about as much, if not more, corruption than the secular music industry.

I am quite familiar with soccer mom music. But you have described CCM Adult Contemporary radio stations. That is only one type of station. It just happens that they are more accessible than other formats. I avoid them like the plague. Try listening to Christian Rock or Album Oriented Rock, or even some Christian Hit Radio stations and you will find MANY MANY bands who do not have that radio-friendly worship song on every album. My favorite station is RadioU out of Columbus, OH. You can listen online.

My point is that you have made a generalization about one section of the CCM industry.

As for MuteMath, you had said earlier that they left CCM. But, were they ever on a CCM label? As I understand it, their record label wanted to market to Christians, but MuteMath did not agree to that. That, to me, does not say they left the CCM scene. They never wanted to be there to begin with.

You also said Switchfoot left CCM. Can you explain further what you mean?

[Andi]

To the posts above (I'm too lazy to quote) ...

Of course the Billboard article talked a lot about CD sales. Billboard's main focus is charting ... you guessed it ... CD sales.

In regard to hanging out with Dave Matthews, didn't someone name Jesus get similar grief for hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors?


I own 10 DMB cds...I like their stuff alot. Excellent band.

[clemsontigers23]

I am quite familiar with soccer mom music. But you have described CCM Adult Contemporary radio stations. That is only one type of station. It just happens that they are more accessible than other formats. I avoid them like the plague. Try listening to Christian Rock or Album Oriented Rock, or even some Christian Hit Radio stations and you will find MANY MANY bands who do not have that radio-friendly worship song on every album. My favorite station is RadioU out of Columbus, OH. You can listen online.

My point is that you have made a generalization about one section of the CCM industry.

As for MuteMath, you had said earlier that they left CCM. But, were they ever on a CCM label? As I understand it, their record label wanted to market to Christians, but MuteMath did not agree to that. That, to me, does not say they left the CCM scene. They never wanted to be there to begin with.

You also said Switchfoot left CCM. Can you explain further what you mean?

Oh yeah, I'm familiar with Radio U and stations like that, but there are very few of those around here. In fact, where I live, there are absolutely no stations like that. Salem Communications has a monopoly on Christian radio, which is why The Fish is everywhere and which is why getting radio play on The Fish is a lot more profitable than getting play on Radio U. It's just how it is. I wish there was a Christian rock station where I lived, but I hear very few wherever I go. AC Contemporary is where it's at. That's where bands hit it big.

Maybe Mute Math was a bad example, but you can see their point. As far as Switchfoot goes, they went independent on Oh! Gravity for a reason. Jon Foreman is doing solo work for a reason. Their creativity was being restricted. They were having immense mainstream success and reaching people for Christ. You have seen this yourself. Switchfoot left CCM when they realized their creativity was being held down. They then left record labels entirely because the labels had too much control on what they put into their music. Obviously, with the mainstream success Switchfoot was having, the labels didn't want Switchfoot to get too preachy...which they never have been, but this was happening to a greater extent. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm doing a lot of speculation here.

Also, to the one who said P.O.D. wasn't helping people get saved...P.O.D. got me into Christian music and helped lead to my salvation, so I think they're doing a great work playing secular events. Their message is clear, which is even better. Also, you can't judge Third Day until you've heard the album. I'm also disappointed that Toby would say that (as he has had some crossover appeal) but music that glorifies God is not exclusive to us Christians, no matter what anyone says. Music that glorifies God should be heard and enjoyed by everyone as we were all made to glorify Him, not just Christians.

[Jason]

I own 10 DMB cds...I like their stuff alot. Excellent band.

Too bad they own MusicToday! :eek:

[TN3Dmom]

I'm also disappointed that Toby would say that (as he has had some crossover appeal) but music that glorifies God is not exclusive to us Christians, no matter what anyone says. Music that glorifies God should be heard and enjoyed by everyone as we were all made to glorify Him, not just Christians.

I have heard that speech about twenty times in the last few weeks. He was making the point that LOVE is what attracts people to Christianity above all else. He was stating that if non-believers see Christians loving one another and helping out those in need in their communities, that will win them over to Christ. It was his intro to "Love is in the House". I don't think he was completely discounting the effect of Christian music, just saying it won't speak volumes the way showing love to others will.

[Andi]

I own 10 DMB cds...I like their stuff alot. Excellent band.

I also wanted to add this since there seems to be a side-topic regarding DMB (which is one of my favorite bands).

Interesting article (http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/glimpses/2003/bustedstuff.html) on the CD Busted Stuff from 2002 on ChristianityToday's website.


Dave Matthews Band
Busted Stuff (RCA)
Progressive acoustic jazz/rock

by Russ Breimeier

"I'm on bended knee, I pray, Bartender please/Oh when I was young I didn't think about it/But now I can't get it out of my mind/I'm on bended knee, please father, please" — from "Bartender"

Arguably the second biggest band in the world today behind U2, the Dave Matthews Band has only grown in popularity over the last decade, defying all age and race demographics. In the summer of 2002 they released Busted Stuff, a reworked collection of songs shelved from a previous recording session. Good thing these acoustic jazz/rock tracks didn't slip through the cracks. Much of it ranks with Dave Matthews's strongest work. It's also some of his most deeply felt, soul-searching, and biblically inspired music since 1994's "Christmas Song," which focused on Christ's birth and death.

As the title suggests, recurring themes of brokenness permeate this sobering album, especially in tracks like "Grace Is Gone," "Raven," and the title cut. Amid the loneliness and grief is a buoyant hit single called "Grey Street," in which Dave sings about a young woman who finds herself slowly losing hope in light of a fallen world: "There's an emptiness inside her/And she'd do anything to fill it in/And though it's red blood bleeding from her now/It's more like cold blue ice in her heart." Ignoring Dave's choice in pronoun, most (if they're being honest) can relate to the doubt expressed from some point in their lives—"How she wishes it was different/She prays to God most every night/And though she swears it doesn't listen/There's still a hope in her it might/She says, "I pray, but they fall on deaf ears/Am I supposed to take it on myself to get out of this place?"

It's sad but true that people question this, but there's a shred of hope to build upon here — at least such people are acknowledging the existence of God. "You Never Know" similarly contemplates our existence and whether or not God is still playing a role in our lives. The song "Big Eyed Fish" explores what happens when people out of desperation try to live outside the life they were created for, with a plaintive and prayerful chorus that states, "Oh God, under the weight of life things seem brighter on the other side." One could even interpret the album's other hit single, "Where Are You Going?," as a seeker friendly song: "Where are you going, where do you go?/Are you looking for answers, to questions under the stars?/If along the way you are growing weary, you can rest with me until a brighter day/It's okay."

The most intriguing track on Busted Stuff is the rock jam, "Bartender," a song rife with guilt, a desire for redemption, and several biblical references. Judging from the quote cited above, this seems to be a prayer directed to the One from whom all things flow: "Bartender please, fill my glass for me with the wine you gave Jesus that set him free after three days in the ground … Bartender you see, this wine that's drinking me came from the vine that strung Judas from the devil's tree roots."

Who can say exactly where Dave Matthews is going with all this? I'm not even sure he can, since his own personal beliefs are all over the map (he seems to have been raised Christian and believes in God, but has since embraced many other religious beliefs). What is certain is that these are the words of someone searching for comfort and meaning to this life. Considering the popularity of the band, this album is a tremendous opportunity for Christians to use as a launch pad for a deeper walk with a Savior who makes beauty out of busted stuff.

Unless specified clearly, we are not implying whether this artist is or is not a Christian. The views expressed are simply the author's.

[Jason]

Too bad they own MusicToday! :eek:

I apologize. According to Wikipedia, MusicToday is run by DMB's manager.

[Andi]

I apologize. According to Wikipedia, MusicToday is run by DMB's manager.

accepted :P

and - I personally don't have any issues with MusicToday. But that would be for another thread aye? lol

[angie1976]

I'm so proud of them! Great article.

[clemsontigers23]

I have heard that speech about twenty times in the last few weeks. He was making the point that LOVE is what attracts people to Christianity above all else. He was stating that if non-believers see Christians loving one another and helping out those in need in their communities, that will win them over to Christ. It was his intro to "Love is in the House". I don't think he was completely discounting the effect of Christian music, just saying it won't speak volumes the way showing love to others will.

My mistake, and I do agree with Toby in that sense.

[scbyd23]

sandyandporter
Judgemental? that is alittle harsh, I am only making observations based on the article, what did you get out of it?

There is alot about this that makes me very cautious, the links to the secular are scarey for me, maybe not for you.

Hanging out with DMB in their recording studio? Dave is one of the most liberal, atheistic (might I add stoned too) entertainers out there and 3D is connected to this crowd now?

No, I am not judging it is more like lamenting. I have been a fan since 1996 and this is not at all how I envisioned Third Day to become.

just mho... so please back off

Jesus also hung out with tax collectors and others that people of the time did not look so kindly upon.

[Mikster]

Oh yeah, I'm familiar with Radio U and stations like that, but there are very few of those around here. In fact, where I live, there are absolutely no stations like that. Salem Communications has a monopoly on Christian radio, which is why The Fish is everywhere and which is why getting radio play on The Fish is a lot more profitable than getting play on Radio U. It's just how it is. I wish there was a Christian rock station where I lived, but I hear very few wherever I go. AC Contemporary is where it's at. That's where bands hit it big.

Maybe Mute Math was a bad example, but you can see their point. As far as Switchfoot goes, they went independent on Oh! Gravity for a reason. Jon Foreman is doing solo work for a reason. Their creativity was being restricted. They were having immense mainstream success and reaching people for Christ. You have seen this yourself. Switchfoot left CCM when they realized their creativity was being held down. They then left record labels entirely because the labels had too much control on what they put into their music. Obviously, with the mainstream success Switchfoot was having, the labels didn't want Switchfoot to get too preachy...which they never have been, but this was happening to a greater extent. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm doing a lot of speculation here.


Yes, I agree with what you said in the 1st paragraph. But can you agree that not all Christian bands and labels require radio-friendly music and at least one worship song on each album? That is all I am trying to say since you made a generalization that suggested otherwise.

As for Switchfoot, Oh! Gravity was released by EMI/CMG (Sparrow Records) and Sony/Columbia. If anything, their creativity was being suppressed by Sony. Sony took "Meant to Live" and made it a hit (and finally made them known in the CCM world as well). Their success in the mainstream actually peaked a few years ago and lost momentum with Oh! G and NIS.

And though I cannot say this is fact, my bet is that as is happening with many bands as record labels have to cut their roster, SF was let go from Sony since they have not had the hits on NIS and Oh! G as was hoped. Again, just speculation but this comes from many discussions with folks in the industry. This is a scenario playing itself all over the place.

And as soon as SF was released from Sony, Jon was able to begin releasing his solo work. And his solo stuff is being marketed and distributed by Credential Recordings, which is a sister label to Sparrow, and also under the EMI/CMG record label.

So, I have not seen yet where Switchfoot has left CCM.

[clemsontigers23]

I got a newsletter from Switchfoot saying Switchfoot went independent but I wasn't sure when it was, but I agree with you on basically everything you just said.

[Debbie]

FYI:

I called Billboard magazine today at 1-800-562-2706 and spoke with Crystal,,,,I gave her my order number and from that; they will be sending out 2 of the correct magazine, which I should get within 5 - 7 business days.....

[3D NC fan]

I called several book stores in Charlotte and found a copy at Borders Books! When I asked about if it was the issue with Third Day on it, the gentleman helping me wasn't sure. He asked if I had seen the cover and did it have a picture of 4 guys with hubcaps in the back? I told him, yes that's it! :cool:

[bholdj]

Well, I have to say I am very disappointed. People keep saying "the messsage will stay the same".

"we obsess with relics, indulgences, pilgramages to holy places, but we must know that Christ is here (holds up bible) and in evrey corner, and hour of the day. He is not found in the bones of saints, relics, (christian music? but here."

You can find the quote in the movie "Luther", the story of Martin Luther's Protestant reformation, i added christian music for emphsais.

Gosh oh friday i saw this argument coming from miles away, hope third day has the patience to keep on keepin on.

I will say one reason why i choose to stay at a public school to teacher for next year instead of take a job at a christian school is because kids in a public school need to hear, see Jesus through me. "Christian" schools are already going through that kind of education.

Its the same with music, why you cannot see this i have no idea. I am encouraged that Third day is trying again at getting tis music out to a wide base. I hope you will be to. Gods big enough to take care of Third day, have faith that He will do so.

[TN3Dmom]

And as soon as SF was released from Sony, Jon was able to begin releasing his solo work. And his solo stuff is being marketed and distributed by Credential Recordings, which is a sister label to Sparrow, and also under the EMI/CMG record label.

I am happy for whatever brought about Jon's solo stuff. Every song on every EP is great. I really like the band alot, but his solo stuff is something else altogether, and not to be missed! I have no input on the music industry war, but I do like hearing your perspective. Bottom line is good music is good music, and whatever distribution "label" it has should not matter so much. I listen to lots of "Christian" and secular music, and I can feel spiritually moved by a song which is not outright "preachy" and totally unmoved by one that is. It does not matter. Like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder (listener).

[bholdj]

sandyandporter
Hanging out with DMB in their recording studio? Dave is one of the most liberal, atheistic (might I add stoned too) entertainers out there and 3D is connected to this crowd now?


so mac powell can't witness, or show Christ to this DMB by "hanging out" with them is that it?

Geez, I can't imagine how you would have acted if you saw Jesus "hanging out" with *gasp* doubters like Peter and Thomas, and choosing murders like Paul to spread his message to the gentiles.

[sandie]

John: I so agree with your thoughts in this post and the one before. I can't understand the fear of working with non-Christians. How can Christians be the salt of the world, if we're all hiding away from the world?

I'm also dubious about the right of anyone to judge the actions of Third Day, as they can't be privy to the prayers, thoughts and decisions that have led to their actions. No Third Day fan, no matter how interested in or committed to the group, has enough information to judge them.

[Mikster]

I got a newsletter from Switchfoot saying Switchfoot went independent but I wasn't sure when it was, but I agree with you on basically everything you just said.

They announced it last fall (07). Independent does not necessarily translate into leaving the Christian music industry. I was just trying to see if you could validate your information. I don't yet see validation. I believe their next record will be released on Lowercasepeople Records (same as Jon's solo EP's). I can only assume that they will be distributed the same as their solo stuff. I can't say that for certain, but I still as of yet have not seen that they have left the CCM industry.

I called several book stores in Charlotte and found a copy at Borders Books! When I asked about if it was the issue with Third Day on it, the gentleman helping me wasn't sure. He asked if I had seen the cover and did it have a picture of 4 guys with hubcaps in the back? I told him, yes that's it! :cool:

That made me smile! Nice!!

I am happy for whatever brought about Jon's solo stuff. Every song on every EP is great. I really like the band alot, but his solo stuff is something else altogether, and not to be missed! I have no input on the music industry war, but I do like hearing your perspective. Bottom line is good music is good music, and whatever distribution "label" it has should not matter so much. I listen to lots of "Christian" and secular music, and I can feel spiritually moved by a song which is not outright "preachy" and totally unmoved by one that is. It does not matter. Like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder (listener).

Good points!

so mac powell can't witness, or show Christ to this DMB by "hanging out" with them is that it?

Geez, I can't imagine how you would have acted if you saw Jesus "hanging out" with *gasp* doubters like Peter and Thomas, and choosing murders like Paul to spread his message to the gentiles.

In case y'all don't know, many Christian bands tour with folks who are working for them on the road that are not Christians. Road managers, tech folks, bus/truck drivers.

[SirMax]

In case y'all don't know, many Christian bands tour with folks who are working for them on the road that are not Christians. Road managers, tech folks, bus/truck drivers.


Thank you for saying this....I've met some of these people and I just pray that the artist they are touring with shows them Jesus.

[bholdj]

They announced it last fall (07). Independent does not necessarily translate into leaving the Christian music industry. I was just trying to see if you could validate your information. I don't yet see validation. I believe their next record will be released on Lowercasepeople Records (same as Jon's solo EP's). I can only assume that they will be distributed the same as their solo stuff. I can't say that for certain, but I still as of yet have not seen that they have left the CCM industry.



That made me smile! Nice!!



Good points!



In case y'all don't know, many Christian bands tour with folks who are working for them on the road that are not Christians. Road managers, tech folks, bus/truck drivers.


I honestly didn't know that. What stinks is a small minority in the christian music community would be in a state of shock if they heard this.

"Christians working with non christians?! who would dare think of such a thing? :rolleyes:"

Why is it country stars like Brad Paisley and Rascal Flatts get standing ovations for being bold with there music for Jesus by singing christian hyms and songs, and third day may very well get slammed critically for being just as bold with there actions for Jesus?

The vocal minoirty in the christian music community that loathes the idea of Third day making there music known to all really needs to grow up

[bholdj]

John: I so agree with your thoughts in this post and the one before. I can't understand the fear of working with non-Christians. How can Christians be the salt of the world, if we're all hiding away from the world?

Because the minority that shares your opinion seems to think living in a cave is the best way to evangelize "if only we can trick them into coming into the cave, it will work :rolleyes: "

I have no problem with people disagreeing with the decision. But to say your "demanding a refund" just because your favorite band is not in line with your beliefs is insane. Since when did God need us to keep up his good name. Job had direct communication from God, the apostle Paul was blinded for 3 days because Jesus choose him to preach his message, God didn't give moses much choice from a burning bush to go save his people from egypt.

Since the Third day guys feel called by God to make this move, why can't the vocal minority in the christian music community that loathes this move keep quiet and let God's hand work? Do we doubt what He can do because of our own stubborn beliefs about "secular" music?



Man I hope Third day keeps the faith.

[PaulieGomer]

Ok, against my own fortitude and in hopes to save some face here please let me explain my previous statements and point of view, which probably were not best constructed. (this is making me sick)

I am not a Pharisical, judgemental person, as maybe words sounded and as graciously have others have made them to sound. Please forgive me for not choosing better words or sentences to relate and give my opinion. My goal in life is to be as close to Christ as possible and be at least half of who He truly is while here on earth. I love to see people come to a saving understanding of Jesus.

Music is a part of my worship to God. I come from a very dark lifestyle and artists like 3D have helped me see and think of God. I also just love cranking on the tunes and rock out with the best of them.

In my former life, music was everything to me ( along with the sex and drugs) It may not be the same in today's mp3 world, but in the 60's, 70's and 80's for an artist to go 'commerical' ( sell out, go for the money instead of the art) Was a death sentence for that artist. Yeah they would go on to make a gazillion dollars, but sacrifice their true love of music.

That said, when I read the article, it was an old reflex to dump on the band going commerical. Sorry about that 3D, hope you understand me.

I would feel it just fanstastic if the guys' witness reached DMB (we need him on our side!!) and others in the business for Christ. It would be just awesome for one person to tune in the radio and have the Holy Spirit talk to their heart through a 3D song, secular or not. That would make it all worthwhile.

I understand the music is big buisness, whether I like it or not. The guys need to be paid and that is biblical. I have grown very sick of CCM music in general for what seems to me like a scam to get money. " pump out a CD every year, go on a mega tour, merch the dickens out of everyone" kind of thinking. Christian radio can bury a song into the ground in a very short time, and they have started that with 'Call My name'. It is headed exactly into the same place every Mercy Me and Casting Crowns song goes to.(I can't even listen to my CC Cd's anymore) They play the song every hour on the hour here in NC. I do not care for the industry to do that to good music.

Beleive it or not I saw Switchfoot mention here, who I really like alot as well, completely different kind of a band than 3D, though. I got to meet most of the guys with SF and actually talked about this very subject with Tim Foreman in Asheville about a year or so ago. He admitted and agreed with me that if you don't keep a check on yourself while in the business, you can start running the hamster wheel. That is all I am saying too, please do not let the hunger to have a bunch of hits be the goal.

I do not care for as much as some of you do, for the "Third day is great, I love third Day, Third day can do no wrong" basically third day worship. It is scarey because we have a very jealous God and He will not allow us to have idols, if we are his children. I have experienced Deadheads, groupies, and all kinds of devoted, throw their lives and themselves to their idols. for an example, as I mentioned one time before here, Justin Hayward from the Moody Blues had a couple of people come a kneel down at his feet after a show in the 70's. i do not know if they are beleivers or not, doubt it, but Justin and the band felt very uncomfortable with this, they went on hiatus for about 2 years, and came back with the album Octave. On that Record was their declaration to their fans, " I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band".

Please forgive me for not expressing myself appropriately before, resulting in me sound like a non-loving, judgemental pharisee. I am not this at all.

I am just a rock and roll fan who hates to see corporate scheming take a good band and make them commerical. It is an old reflex. In this case it could result in someone coming to know God and that would be wonderful and I would not want that to change if that is what God wants.

sorry

[TN3Dmom]

I'm glad you came back to clarify things, PaulieGomer. It took guts, cause it was clear no one was feeling what we thought you were saying. I would like to speak to the idol worship aspect of what you mentioned here. I do have a problem with that as well, and I don't feel everyone here represents that type of fan. If Third Day released a song or CD I did not like, I probably would not post here, cause it is, in fact, THEIR fan messageboards. I'd probably just not comment. I certainly don't feel everything they do is beyond reproach. (see my comments over in the wired packets not rec'd thread--they were not very well received). They are humans like the rest of us. We're all imperfect. I see them as very talented guys who make great music. End of story.

[silverose]

FYI:

I called Billboard magazine today at 1-800-562-2706 and spoke with Crystal,,,,I gave her my order number and from that; they will be sending out 2 of the correct magazine, which I should get within 5 - 7 business days.....

Thanks for letting me know. Greg called about my issue today and a replacement is on the way. I had given up hope trying to find it around here.

[Alli]

FWIW, I found my issue today at Barnes and Noble. After spending over 15 minutes trying to find it (I have never seen so many magazines in my life!), I asked someone if they carried it. It was over with the newspapers since it was "oversize". I got the last one :). I'm not sure if retailers are required to pull it starting tomorrow, since a new issue is due to hit the shelfs. It may be worth calling about though.

[FaithBlood]

If anyone is still looking for it, you can get a copy of the June 7th issue of Billboard here: http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/mag?id=4134135128048&mid=0000000635. Booksamillion has it for $6.29.

[Mr.Supervious]

i got mine today :D

we ordered it from billboard's website...:)


i had no idea the magazines were that ginormous :eek:

[sandyandporter]

If anyone is still looking for it, you can get a copy of the June 7th issue of Billboard here: http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/mag?id=4134135128048&mid=0000000635. Booksamillion has it for $6.29.

Thanks for the info! I ordered mine and one for Andi too!

[clemsontigers23]

I'd also like to mention I saw Flyleaf's "All Around Me" at #6 on the VH1 Top 20 Countdown and they also have one of the top-selling albums on iTunes now. The message in "All Around Me" is that of a straight-up praise and worship song. If a song like that can have that kind of success (it's been out a long time too, so I was suprised it's just now getting up there), then Third Day can surely do the same.

I've also heard "All Around Me" on hard rock radio, so it can be done.

[bholdj]

That said, when I read the article, it was an old reflex to dump on the band going commerical. Sorry about that 3D, hope you understand me.

I would feel it just fanstastic if the guys' witness reached DMB (we need him on our side!!) and others in the business for Christ. It would be just awesome for one person to tune in the radio and have the Holy Spirit talk to their heart through a 3D song, secular or not. That would make it all worthwhile.


Hey were all falliable. I have to ask myself all the time if what i say or do represents what God would want for me. I could have said some things in a better way myself ealier.

That said, i am a fan of the band. In my opinion, there move to get there music heard by more people should excite us all!! The Third day guys had a chance to hang with Howard Benson who produced there record (and P.O.D, FLYLEAF, CHRIS DAUGHTERY, ETC). The magazine article states that Benson is a orthodox Jew. Talk about seed planting!!


Hope we can disagree yet also come together on issues. have a good one!! Bring on the third day record!!

John

[SirMax]

Debbie thanks!!!

I called today and they were very nice. Got an issue coming to me.

I still haven't gotten an email back (I've sent three) from their customer service.

[Tracey]

I ordered mine last Tuesday I believe it was and I haven't gotten mine yet. *sigh*

[Mikster]

I'd also like to mention I saw Flyleaf's "All Around Me" at #6 on the VH1 Top 20 Countdown and they also have one of the top-selling albums on iTunes now. The message in "All Around Me" is that of a straight-up praise and worship song. If a song like that can have that kind of success (it's been out a long time too, so I was suprised it's just now getting up there), then Third Day can surely do the same.

I've also heard "All Around Me" on hard rock radio, so it can be done.

I saw Flyleaf (and Red) open for Seether not long ago. I forget which song it was, but right before they sang one of their songs, Lacey said something like, "This one is dedicated to Jesus!" and the crowd roared, "Yay!" This was in a club venue where they served alcohol. Actually, they are not the only band with a Christian message that have played there in a mainstream tour.

I have actually seen Third Day play there years ago, but the alcohol was not being served.

[Tracey]

Got my copy of billboard today woot woot

[Jason]

Got my copy of billboard today woot woot

Woohoo!

[clemsontigers23]

I saw Flyleaf (and Red) open for Seether not long ago. I forget which song it was, but right before they sang one of their songs, Lacey said something like, "This one is dedicated to Jesus!" and the crowd roared, "Yay!" This was in a club venue where they served alcohol. Actually, they are not the only band with a Christian message that have played there in a mainstream tour.

I have actually seen Third Day play there years ago, but the alcohol was not being served.

Yeah, that's so awesome. I saw where a lot of people think "Cassie" is about suicide but they don't know that it's about the girl named Cassie at Columbine who got shot and killed for saying she believed in God. They asked her if she did and she said yes. It's a powerful song, and I wish more people knew the story behind it before they accuse Flyleaf of encouraging suicide.

[webo]

Y
It's a powerful song, and I wish more people knew the story behind it before they accuse Flyleaf of encouraging suicide.

Maybe they're confused because Lacey nearly committed suicide at 17.

[USCErock Gomer]

I still need to order mine!

:eek:

[3D NC fan]

I still need to order mine!

:eek:

I found mine at Borders Books here in Charlotte.

[sassyanngomer]

I got my copy of Billboard from Hastings. I was so psyched to see the guys on the cover! I read every word of the article and I was pleasently surprised. I expected that the mag would touch briefly on the fact that they are a CHRISTIAN band with a CHRISTIAN fan base, and then move on to talking about playing them on secular radio. But they were very respectful of the thier faith and gave them utmost respect in every area. I particularlly enjoyed the section devoted to Gomers!

[Debbie]

Finally, I got my correct copies!!!

[Tracey]

Dang bout time you did. I got mine before you and I ordered mine after you...i've had mine for at least 4 days now maybe longer. Glad ya got it :)

[Mr.Supervious]

i got mine a couple weeks ago...and i wish the people on here would have read the article before they started making speculations of Third Day going secular

[sandyandporter]

i got mine a couple weeks ago...and i wish the people on here would have read the article before they started making speculations of Third Day going secular

I wish people would see there's no such thing as secular! ;)

[jesus loves me]

Since I have temporary use of a real computer I was finally able to read the article on line. I didn't see one thing in there that is worthy of the uproar that they are going "secular". I enjoyed the article in fact. Also after listening to the previews of the songs on "Revelation" that is on their website I did not hear anything worthy of the uproar that they are going "secular". Much ado about nothing.

[webo]

Since I have temporary use of a real computer I was finally able to read the article on line. I didn't see one thing in there that is worthy of the uproar that they are going "secular". I enjoyed the article in fact. Also after listening to the previews of the songs on "Revelation" that is on their website I did not hear anything worthy of the uproar that they are going "secular". Much ado about nothing.

Read Tai's blog, "Going Circular." It clears everything up.

[jesus loves me]

Read Tai's blog, "Going Circular." It clears everything up. I did and I agree. One of my favorite posts of his.