Hillary's assasination comments???

[Evanescence]

You guys hear about this? is she NUTS?

Some have said the news media has blown this out of proportion....PLEASE tell me why she is even uttering the word? PLEASE !!!!!!!!

I do not like the Clintons !!!!!!!! :(

[Mandy Robbins]

I haven' seen anything. Where did you see that?

[middletree]

It is blown out of proportion. She has been asked repeatedly why she's still running, and she gives the same answer every time. This time, she varied her answer a bit, and one of the reasons she mentioned was that Bobby Kennedy was going to be the Democratic nominee in '68, but didn't make it that far. To me, it's not a "nuts" statement, but I guess people feel they have to focus on retarded stuff like this instead of real issues.

If you get a chance, go to the DecembeRadio forum and see a video that Debbie posted. Also, go to the audio links I posted here on the Rock the Vote forum.

[Evanescence]

It is blown out of proportion. She has been asked repeatedly why she's still running, and she gives the same answer every time. This time, she varied her answer a bit, and one of the reasons she mentioned was that Bobby Kennedy was going to be the Democratic nominee in '68, but didn't make it that far. To me, it's not a "nuts" statement, but I guess people feel they have to focus on retarded stuff like this instead of real issues.

If you get a chance, go to the DecembeRadio forum and see a video that Debbie posted. Also, go to the audio links I posted here on the Rock the Vote forum.


Sorry Tree, I gotta use the words BULL on your remarks...

She's said this 4 or more times before....said the exact same thing March 6th, with TIME mag. Then several other times she has eluded to the same comments...

Here the actual vid.

Just like I said, the Clintons are more slippery than a bucket full of eels...

I'll say that this doesn't point to anything sinister...its just DUMB...

You cannot use the "A" word at all...not even whisper it, being in politics...

She's just not real smart....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E0QAewVrR28

Here's the actual 2:30 clip...its at the 2:00 mark

Her apology was beyond lame...

[middletree]

First, don't call me dumb.

Second, you are entitled to your opinion, but I heard the comment in context, and I don't have a problem with what she said. Moreover, even if it were an unwise thing to say, it is small potatoes.

I want the press and the candidates to discuss taxes, and the role of government, and about a hundred other topics that are actually the things a president will have to deal with. I'm tired of stuff like this, which will never, ever have anything to do with the job of President, dominating the headlines.

[Evanescence]

No one called you dumb... I said SHE was dumb...I'm just saying that its not the 1st time she has said this....and/or said soemthing ignorant. Its actually about the 4th or 5th time she's said it or eluded to it.

She's saying this:

"I'm staying in this race. My husband didn't win the nomination until late June of 1992 when he won in California and hey, Bobby Kennedy was assasinated in June of 1968, so anything is possible. I'm stayin' in..."

Its beyond rude and ignorant. It will be her legacy now. Its 1000 times worse than Obama's comments about the poor clinging to their guns. Its insinuating that Obama might get bumped off, so she is sticking around as long as she can. Its igorance to the highest...

Its a fact that RFK was murdered...its also a fact that 40+ people have died or were murdered that were close to the Clintons. Maybe the media should talk about THAT.........

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Since I live across the globe you'll have to excuse this ignorant Aussie, but what is going on here? I have been following the Clinton/Obama fight on the news for the last couple of months but I must be missing something...

Why all the controversy? :confused:

[ausgirl]

Colin - Today, she said basically, don't rule her out, because, you know the opposing candidate got assisinated close to the end one time. I don't know, about what anyone else feels, but I think that's a pretty low thing to say.....what's next, wishing the plague on Obama?

[Mandy Robbins]

Since I live across the globe you'll have to excuse this ignorant Aussie, but what is going on here? I have been following the Clinton/Obama fight on the news for the last couple of months but I must be missing something...

Why all the controversy? :confused:

You're not missing anything. The only explaination is that 2 people want the same job so they have to make themselves look like they are better qualified.. and if that fails, make the other one look as bad as possible.

[Valpo]

Without stepping into the zone of conspiracy theory land I agree with E. Senator Clinton's comments were quite clear. She's sticking around because Obama could get knocked off. She's a fool. In any event, she should not have said those words knowing the outrage that would ensue.

[mindyhere]

That is a pretty calloused thing to say on her part. I think it was very unprofessional. Whether possible or not - it's just very uncouth. I've never cared for her character - and this just reinforces my view about her even more.

[cheewiee]

Without stepping into the zone of conspiracy theory land I agree with E. Senator Clinton's comments were quite clear. She's sticking around because Obama could get knocked off. She's a fool. In any event, she should not have said those words knowing the outrage that would ensue.

I have to agree with -tree, her words while, defiantly the wrong way to make her point, wasn't saying she was hoping Obama get's offed so she gets the nom. She was saying that along time ago Primaries went much longer, and she is right. However she is stretching the truth a bit when she says her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 92. His last DNC opponent dropped out in March.

Her point about Bobby Kennedy and the California primary doesn't wash either, New Hampshire's primary didn't happen until March of that year, and Bobby didn't enter the race until a few days after that.

She is a shrill of a woman, and I hope this goes on till June, or heck even the convention, so that America becomes so nauseated with this woman, she can never again think of being President.

[middletree]

For the record, I'm defedning her comments. I'm getting onto those who make too much of them. Certainly, if you base your vote on stuff like this, or on the fact that Obama's middle name is Hussein, or on which pastor endorsed Mccain, you are focusing on the wrong things. I stand by that. these things that are dominating the headlines have little to do with who's best suited for the job.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

For the record, I'm defedning her comments. I'm getting onto those who make too much of them. Certainly, if you base your vote on stuff like this, or on the fact that Obama's middle name is Hussein, or on which pastor endorsed Mccain, you are focusing on the wrong things. I stand by that. these things that are dominating the headlines have little to do with who's best suited for the job.

The whole McCain side of the presidential race has been almost ignored here in Auz. Instead, all the focus has been on the Democratic nomination. Very little has been said about the actual politics of ANY of the 3 people wanting the top job. What do these people actually stand for?

[Pouye]

Here is some info on all three:

Info on Hillary Clinton-

Current Job:
Senator from New York

Birth Date:
October 26, 1947 in Chicago, Illinois

Family:
Husband Bill Clinton; one child

Religion:
Methodist

Education:
Wellesley College, B.A., 1969
Yale University Law School, J.D., 1973

Career:
Hillary Clinton is serving her second term as a U.S. senator from New York.
Before joining the Senate, Clinton spent eight years in the White House as
first lady beside husband and President Bill Clinton. She also spent 12
years as first lady of Arkansas. Clinton is an attorney by profession, and a
champion of women's and children's rights. She is the author of two
best-selling books -- "It Takes a Village" and "Living History."

Other facts:
Clinton has been the front-runner in polls for the 2008 Democratic
presidential nomination.
Clinton cites Eleanor Roosevelt as an inspiring influence.
Issues:

Abortion:
Clinton is pro-choice. She spoke out against the Supreme Court decision to
uphold a ban on partial-birth abortions. Clinton also voted in 2005 to give
$100 million toward teen pregnancy prevention and emergency contraception
education programs.

Energy/Environment:
Clinton supports investment in renewable energy, carbon sequestration, and
market-based emissions reduction plans. She supports the creation of a
cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Clinton introduced
a Strategic Energy Fund that would dedicate $50 billion to research,
renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol, and
other domestically-made bio-fuels. She opposes drilling in the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge, and voted for a bill to expand offshore drilling
in the Gulf of Mexico.

Immigration:
Clinton wants tighter border security, more sanctions on those who employ
illegal immigrants, and more immigration assistance for state and local
governments. She has attracted criticism for giving different positions on a
now-failed New York proposal to give illegal immigrants driver's licenses.
Clinton supports allowing illegal immigrants to earn legal status by paying
fines and back taxes and learning English. She voted for the 2006
Kennedy-McCain immigration reform bill and for border fence legislation.

Iraq:
Clinton opposes the Bush-backed troop surge. Though she voted for the
October 2002 resolution authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, she
introduced in early May 2007 a bill to rescind that authorization.

Taxes:
Clinton supports some middle-class tax cuts, including a permanent repeal on
the marriage penalty, property tax relief, and the Alternative Minimum Tax.
She believes the rich do not "pay their fair share," and would let cuts for
households earning more than $200,000 expire. Clinton voted against the
permanent repeal of the estate tax. She supports a tax deduction for college
tuition and refundable child and adoption tax credits.

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Info on Barack Obama -

Current Job:
Senator from Illinois

Birth Date:
August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii

Family:
Wife Michelle Robinson; two children

Religion:
United Church of Christ

Education:
Columbia University, B.A., 1983
Harvard Law School, J.D., 1991

Career:
Barack Obama is a first-term U.S. senator from Illinois. He also served for
eight years in the Illinois State Senate. Before attending Harvard Law
School, Obama worked as an advocate in poor Chicago neighborhoods, promoting
faith-based initiatives aimed at improving quality of life. Obama is the
author of two best-selling books -- "Dreams From My Father" and "The
Audacity of Hope" -- and is often described as a "rising star" within the
Democratic Party.

Other facts:
Barack's father was a Kenyan immigrant.
Barack spent part of his childhood living in Indonesia.
Barack was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review

Issues:

Abortion:
Obama supports abortion rights. He opposed restrictions on public financing
of abortions while serving in the Illinois legislature. He said
partial-birth abortion only focuses on 1 percent of all cases, and would
entrust a woman to make such a decision for herself.

Energy/Environment:
Obama would create a cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions, taking revenues generated from the program to help those
negatively impacted by the limits. He would also raise fuel efficiency
standards for cars. Obama would establish a National Low Carbon Fuel
Standard that would require all transportation fuels to contain 5 percent
less carbon by 2015 and 10 percent less carbon by 2020. He believes the plan
would spur investment in renewable fuels and help reduce annual greenhouse
gas emissions.

Immigration:
Obama says it is vital to bring out of the shadows the 12 million illegal
immigrants currently living in the U.S. by implementing a system through
which illegals could earn citizenship by paying a fine, learning English,
and waiting their turn behind legal immigrants. Obama says the U.S. needs a
better employment verification system and more serious employer sanctions
for those who hire illegal immigrants. He also voted for the 2006
Kennedy-McCain immigration reform bill and is in favor of a border fence.

Iraq:
Obama favors a timeline for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. He
introduced a bill that would cap the number of troops in Iraq at 130,000,
the number on the ground before the recent surge. Obama was not in the
Senate in 2002, but was opposed to the Iraq war from the start.

Taxes
Obama would let expire tax cuts for households earning more than $250,000.
He acknowledges that additional revenue might be needed to achieve his
health care goals, but says a large amount of money can be saved within the
existing system.

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Info on John McCain -

Current Job:
Senator from Arizona

Birth Date:
August 29, 1936 in Panama Canal Zone

Family:
Wife Cindy Hensley (1980 - present); ex-wife Carol Shepp (1965-1980); seven
children

Religion:
Episcopalian

Education:
U.S. Naval Academy, B.S., 1958
National War College, 1973-74

Career:
John McCain is a four-term senator and former two-term U.S. representative
from Arizona. He ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, but
was defeated by current President Bush. McCain's work within the Congress
has earned him a reputation as a reformer. He has not shied away from
crossing the aisle, and has worked with Democrats in the past to sponsor
legislation. Before entering politics, McCain was a pilot in the Navy
(1958-1981). He spent five-and-a-half years as a Vietnamese prisoner of war
at the infamous "Hanoi Hilton," where he was placed in solitary confinement
and tortured.

Other facts:
McCain's Navy honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,
Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross.

McCain and his 2nd wife adopted a daughter in 1993 from an orphanage in
Bangladesh, run by Mother Teresa.

Issues:

Abortion:
McCain believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and that the abortion
question should be left to the individual states to legislate. He has called
abortion a human tragedy, and believes community action can go far in "the
fight for life" by promoting alternatives to abortion and providing
expectant mothers with the necessary support.

Energy/Environment:
McCain is the chief co-sponsor of a bill that sets mandatory caps on
greenhouse emissions. His plan would allow companies to trade excess carbon
emission capacity, and would require emissions to return to 2004 levels by
2012 and to 1990 levels by 2020. McCain wants to see more investment in
alternative-energy sources such as nuclear power, ethanol, fuel cells,
bio-diesel, and natural gas. He believes ethanol will play a big part in
energy independence.

Immigration:
McCain wants a comprehensive immigration reform bill that would improve
border surveillance and enforcement, strengthen penalties against those who
hire illegal immigrants, and stop document fraud. He wants to develop a
guest worker program that allows illegal immigrants to earn legitimate
status. McCain sponsored the 2006 comprehensive immigration reform bill. Had
it passed, it would have allowed some illegal immigrants already in the U.S.
to work and apply to become legal residents after learning English, paying
fines and back taxes, and clearing a background check. McCain believes that
securing the borders is one of the federal government's most important
obligations.

Iraq:
McCain thinks Bush's strategy in Iraq can succeed, and that if the U.S.
fails to stabilize Iraq now, the threat of terrorism against American
interests will grow. McCain has strongly criticized Democrats who support a
troop withdrawal timeline, but has also criticized the administration for
mishandling the war. He says Donald Rumsfeld will be remembered as one of
the worst secretaries of defense in history.

Taxes:
McCain says tax cuts work best in conjunction with lower spending. He blames
excessive spending for Republican losses in the 2006 elections. McCain was
one of two Republican senators to oppose the 2001 tax cuts, arguing that too
many of the benefits went to the most fortunate at the expense of the middle
class. He also opposed the 2003 tax cuts. McCain says he would not raise
taxes, but that he would not go as far as to sign a pledge to that effect.
He believes a repeal of the estate tax isn't necessary.
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(Source: FoxNews.com)

Rock

[ausgirl]

I think someone needs to teach Hillary the count to 10 before you say it rule!

[Jason]

MCain now attends a Southern Baptist church, North Phoenix Baptist.

[Evanescence]

This comment is NOT soemthing I will base my vote on...so i agree with tree on this...however, it does show her character....a character of predatory politics. Which is a common theme with the Clintons...

Pouye, good work...But Fox news? Ughhh....

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Thanks for the info, Rock. This is good stuff to know about the people running for the most powerful job in the world. The big question however, is that with Hillary and her fan club falling behind the wayside, who will America vote for when it comes down to Obama and McCain in November?

[Evanescence]

Aussie, the American people LOVE the game of politics...they don't want real change. Their loyalty should be with the Republic and the constitution but its with silly Lefts and Rights, Reps and Dems. If they wanted real change they'd stop the division and see the entire lot for what it is.

Stats clearly show that 10-15% of all registered voters WILL NOT jump party lines no matter what, so there will be clear votes ON party lines of 10-20%. The rest will vote in the end....and many may change their mind at the end.

Hillary's supporters say they won't vote for Obama, but 80% of them will change their mind when we see 4.50/gal for gas. There will be a significant ANGER vote brewing in Sept/Oct. Why then? Because when people fill up their fuel oil tanks for their heaters this fall and its 4.00+ gal, they'll blame Bush and the Reps and vote the other way.

The Dems have the clear advantage due to this economy and the war. McCain wants to stay close to Bush and keep the war going....this does not set well with the American people.

Me, I'll wait till the end to decide....but in reality, I won't trust any of them at all....

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Me, I'll wait till the end to decide....but in reality, I won't trust any of them at all....

Not many people trust politicians, E. Me included. Many have their own agenda and personal goals all at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve. They say they are in touch with the community, but in truth many aren't.

[Evanescence]

Not many people trust politicians, E. Me included. Many have their own agenda and personal goals all at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve. They say they are in touch with the community, but in truth many aren't.

I'm liking the way you think Aussie....

A politician's loyalty is with who elects him into office....if its the BIG business, Big media, Big Oil, and their lobbyists.....then THATS who they will work for first...

If its the PEOPLE...then thats who they will work for...

Thats the problem worldwide....politics and big business is in bed together...

Its not how it should be... :mad:

[Aussie3rddayfan]

I'm liking the way you think Aussie....

A politician's loyalty is with who elects him into office....if its the BIG business, Big media, Big Oil, and their lobbyists.....then THATS who they will work for first...

If its the PEOPLE...then thats who they will work for...

Thats the problem worldwide....politics and big business is in bed together...

Its not how it should be... :mad:

Yep. A friend of mine made an interesting comment the other day about politics:

The only difference between a dictatorship and democracy is that we get to choose our dictator.

True?

[in hiding]

I'm liking the way you think Aussie....

A politician's loyalty is with who elects him into office....if its the BIG business, Big media, Big Oil, and their lobbyists.....then THATS who they will work for first...

If its the PEOPLE...then thats who they will work for...

Thats the problem worldwide....politics and big business is in bed together...

Its not how it should be... :mad:


Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Ronald Reagan

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Ronald Reagan

That's a classic. Hilarious.

[Evanescence]

Its funny how many people completely forget the USA is a Republic, not a democracy. A democracy is 49% the people, 51% the Govt....

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Its funny how many people completely forget the USA is a Republic, not a democracy. A democracy is 49% the people, 51% the Govt....

Maybe...

But technically it is a democracy. Or is supposed to be one.

Democracy is a system of government by which political sovereignty is retained by the people and either exercised directly by citizens or through their elected representatives. This my be a politcal ideal where everyone has - as we say in Australia - a 'fair go', but the reality is that only particular people get the benfits. Like you say E, the government has ties and 'obligations' to those who support them. They push their own agenda, their own policies (which can have benefits) but ultimately it's about serving their party. They tout the public line even when they are plainly wrong/ unpopular or not serving the people's best interests. To be quite frank, most politicians make me sick. The amount of crap that comes from the government here in Australia is truly remarkable. They have absolutely no idea some of them. I cite the abysmal standard of the roads and the public transport network as an example. And of course there's fuel prices and the cost of living going up and up and up. :rolleyes: :mad: