A Not so good article, review what you want to call it

[mischief]

I came across this article on the internet, it not a very nice article about Third Day but I thought I would share it anyways and see what the other unstable Gomers have to said about it here is the link


http://www.patrolmag.com/index.php?id=436

[Tim]

You know what they say about opinions. Anyhow, I enjoyed the read. Thanks for sharing and posting the link.

[Jake]

Wow...that was harsh!

[EmmoGomer]

Very harsh.

[teresaUK]

It's harsh but it will only make them (the band) laugh ..........

I smiled at this bit.... surrounded by one of the most unstable, devoted, over-analytical fanbases in the history of music........

That's us! ...:) lol!

[EmmoGomer]

You are right Trees. YIKES! They must have seen US!!!

[sandyandporter]

Count me as unstable! Geez oh petes!

[Andi]

I could give a flyin leap what anyone else thinks. ;)<---drab

[sandyandporter]

I could give a flyin leap what anyone else thinks. ;)<---drab

It's true. She really doesn't care! :eek: (<--- not drab)

[gratefull gomer]

I think it's pretty clear where the inspiration for the album cover came from. They've (Tai, in particular) explained that already. If those other guys used the same inspiration, or whatever, the cover came from Salvation Mountain. It was very clear how this cover came about. Perhaps if the critic guy knew how to Google, he'd have found that out.... Man, to have a comprehensive knowledge of album covers in my head! :rolleyes: Anywho, we've criticized album covers before, but this is a stretch! Close your eyes and then just listen to the music, dude!

Now, I shall climb down from my high horse.... :D

[webo]

Um, I'd say the writing quality in this article is a bit suspect. The author's thesis is that Third Day ripped off Radiohead. But in the article, he opines that Third Day likely never even heard of Radiohead. Brilliant.

[BigDaddy]

Wow. Sounds like Jordan is having a bad day. He also seems to be giving an awful lot of credit to Radiohead. Their a good band, but to say they've influenced everyone this side of Barry Manilow and Tom Jones may be going too far.

[shabbychica]

is that guy serious?:eek:

[Johnny 59]

Originally "Posted" by Jordan who???...surrounded by one of the most unstable, devoted, over-analytical fanbases in the history of music...
Hey, I resemble that remark!:eek:

Jordan who?
Oh, that's right I'm also, "out of touch...with the big ole’ outside world..."
I forgot that Saskatchewan was such a music Meca.:rolleyes:
(no offence to any Canadian Gomers out there)
Wonder what their market share is up there?
It would be my guess that it is significantly smaller that KSBJ here in Houston, a Christian radio station.

[PatrolMag]

To answer most of your questions...

No that guy wasn't serious. As with any Patrol article (or good writing in general) a little tongue in cheek grain of salt is necesary. I recommend the Colbert Report for a little sarcasm 101.

We have quite a bit of respect for Third Day. We just think Christian journalism is too often scared to say what people are really thinking. The majority of non Christians think that we just recycle all their best ideas. And sometimes its hard not to agree. We just want Christian art to be as fresh as possible.

Although there are some exceptions, for the most part Christian music is still not taken seriously in the secular world. In one sense this isn't important because Christians shouldn't need the world's approval that we're "cool", but in another sense it shows that artistically speaking we are far too often out of touch and stale. I heard a musician once say "Why would I want to become a Christian, my music would have to get worse", and as unfair as it might be, it speaks volumes about how our incredible message is being tainted by our derivitive means of presenting it.

That being said,

It would've been possible for Third Day to pay respect to Salvation Mountain while still being original. We think that if you have a good idea thats already been done, find a way to rework it. And the "unstable" thing was refering to Radiohead fans, not Third Day fans. Sometimes writers go over the top cause it makes for better reading.

So yeah, its a good idea to never take us (Patrol) or ourselves (Christians) too seriously. We should never be scared to offer honest (sometimes harsh, sometimes sarcastic) criticism of the world around us, and we (Patrol) are always quick to praise people who we think get it right. Please don't be strangers, we welcome your butt kissing and your death threats, and always welcome the same sort of good natured teasing that we dish out, because we know that its all in good fun.

[3D NC fan]

"Your new single is actually quite catchy".

At least he got one thing right.

Proud to be a part of the unstable, devoted fan base!

[sandyandporter]

Do we, as gomers, scare you .... just a little bit? :eek: (<--- not drab)

[Tim]

Very cool that they responded. I like that. Excellent response from the Mag.

[Jason]

And the "unstable" thing was refering to Radiohead fans, not Third Day fans.

Thanks. I wondered why people thought it meant Gomers.

[NurseBettyLu]

Rats. I sorta like being unstable.

[elby65]

That's quite a bit of, dare I use a Texas expression, BULL! I realize that most of it was probably done "tongue in cheek" but it is very harsh. I don't think most true Christians would give a flip about what the "world" thinks about Third Day. I like the cover. I like the music. They go together.

[webo]

artistically speaking we are far too often out of touch and stale. I heard a musician once say "Why would I want to become a Christian, my music would have to get worse",


He obviously knows nothing about Christian music. Yes, the CCM stuff might be worse, but in the genre of rock, the muscianship is every bit as good as in the secular realm. And the really big difference is that the message isn't filled with nastiness, violent images and immorality. After I accepted Christ, one of the biggest surprises I encountered was the variety of Christian music and the secular-quality musicianship. Big-name secular producers are producing Christian CDs.

[Jason]

Rats. I sorta like being unstable.

Like Radiohead?

[Les_Is_More]

He obviously knows nothing about Christian music. Yes, the CCM stuff might be worse, but in the genre of rock, the muscianship is every bit as good as in the secular realm. And the really big difference is that the message isn't filled with nastiness, violent images and immorality. After I accepted Christ, one of the biggest surprises I encountered was the variety of Christian music and the secular-quality musicianship. Big-name secular producers are producing Christian CDs.

He obviously hasn't heard of Phil Keaggy. That man can play six strings like few can.

I read a few of their articles after reading the Third Day review, and I never saw one positive article. That being said, who cares what they think?!?! If you like it that's all that matters. Nothing they say will stop me from listening to Third Day or buying their new album. ROCK ON GUYS! :D

[webo]

Nothing they say will stop me from listening to Third Day or buying their new album. ROCK ON GUYS! :D


You got that right, brother.

[Corrine]

Thanks. I wondered why people thought it meant Gomers.

Me, too. It says, "You are skating on the thinnest of ice, surrounded by one of the most unstable, devoted, over-analytical fanbases in the history of music (Radiohead’s, not your “Gomers”)."

Well, at least he liked "Call My Name". ;)

[Jason]

Me, too. It says, "You are skating on the thinnest of ice, surrounded by one of the most unstable, devoted, over-analytical fanbases in the history of music (Radiohead’s, not your “Gomers”)."



Thank you.

Jason (devoted, stable, and just-right-analytical)

[SmileyFreak1981]

You know, Jordan Kurtz (and PatrolMag), satire and sarcasm are only funny when well written. My opinion is that the article was kind of lame, and it wasn't that well written. Just being honest.

[webo]

You know, Jordan Kurtz (and PatrolMag), satire and sarcasm are only funny when well written. My opinion is that the article was kind of lame, and it wasn't that well written. Just being honest.


You are correct.

[Debbie]

Nothing more than a rant toward music that is making it to a world that really needs it.

[sandyandporter]

Rats. I sorta like being unstable.

You still are! ;) (<--- drab)

[Johnny 59]

Do we, as gomers, scare you .... just a little bit? :eek: (<--- not drab)

Well, Mac does still refer to us as their psycho fans.:D
Besides, we don't call ourselves Loons for nuttin!!!:P

[Rquillinan]

He obviously knows nothing about Christian music. Yes, the CCM stuff might be worse, but in the genre of rock, the muscianship is every bit as good as in the secular realm. And the really big difference is that the message isn't filled with nastiness, violent images and immorality. After I accepted Christ, one of the biggest surprises I encountered was the variety of Christian music and the secular-quality musicianship. Big-name secular producers are producing Christian CDs.


I dare say, he probably knows more about Christian music than most people would care to guess. Say what you like about "Patrolmag," but from what I gather, they are running a website about Christian music, with the intention of bringing to light some of the trite aspects of the genre.

He obviously hasn't heard of Phil Keaggy. That man can play six strings like few can.



One great artist doesn't immediately justify an entire genre, or style of music. Personally, most CCM music bothers me to no end. It isn't because I don't get it or don't understand it either. In many respects, I can understand where the Patrol as a website is coming from.

I've grown up with Christian music all my life and for a long time I loved it. "Not Afraid" by Jars of Clay, and "Mezzamorphis" by Delirious are two albums I enjoy to this day. But when I compare most CCM music, and even most Christian music in general, to "secular" music, I find that a lot of Christian music is largely unsatisfying. Now let me make a distinction. I'm talking about the secular music that I usually hear on the radio. I'm talking about bands like The Arcade Fire, Death Cab For Cutie, Coldplay, Bon Iver, Bright Eyes and yes, Radiohead. These are the bands that touch me, move me and inspire me. Yes, some of their songs may contain morally questionable material, but a large portion of it deals with the human condition: Something we all can relate to. I, like all of you, am not a perfect human being. Too often CCM music seems to pretend that the world becomes perfect when you accept Jesus. But as we all know, it doesn't. Not on this side of heaven. In short, I simply cannot relate to a large portion of artists you'd usually find in a Christian bookstore.

Death Cab For Cutie may not save any souls but it still is art, and we as Christians should be able to appreciate it and be inspired by it. After all, good art doesn't have to have a Christian label slapped on it. I never converted because of Death Cab, but they have sure helped me through some hard times.

Saying all of that, there are many Christian artists that I do listen to, (Sufjan Stevens, Pedro The Lion.) Although they probably would not call themselves "Christian artists," they are Christian's making music nonetheless. Sometimes the name of Jesus pops up, and sometimes it does not, but regardless of that, it is always heart felt, relevant and inspiring.

If you've made it this far, I commend you for listening to this member's rambles.

God Bless,
RQ

[webo]

Personally, most CCM music bothers me to no end.


Once again, we are talking about two different things. I'm talking about rock. You're talking about CCM.

[Rquillinan]

Once again, we are talking about two different things. I'm talking about rock. You're talking about CCM.


Sorry, I should clarify. I'm using the term CCM in the broader sense, which includes pop, rock, and worship music, and not in the "adult contemporary" sense. I hope that makes sense.

Again, I don't mean to single out ALL CCM music.

[clemsontigers23]

I don't know, I thought it was funny lol. I love the Colbert Report and he makes fun of some people I like but I don't care it's funny haha.

[JanetRN]

Here's a "nicer" review. LOL

http://www.inreview.net/story/third_day_revelation_2008

[webo]

Here's a "nicer" review. LOL

http://www.inreview.net/story/third_day_revelation_2008

The reviewer writes, "There are no "skip to the next" tracks on this CD. Even in the slower songs where you see the depth of pain that they have endured over the last couple of months." I'm not sure she understands that this CD was recorded long before Brad left the band.

[SirMax]

I like the fact that PatrolMag responded too.

Guys you have to agree that some CCM music is AWFUL. I don't listen to Christian radio for that very reason. And when a really amazing cd comes out and it doesn't fit the "CCM put you to freakin' sleep model" they don't play it on the radio. Third Day has been a victim of this (cough *WIRE* cough) and it might happen with this cd too.

And you people are unstable...not me;)

[SmileyFreak1981]

I like the fact that PatrolMag responded too.

Guys you have to agree that some CCM music is AWFUL. I don't listen to Christian radio for that very reason. And when a really amazing cd comes out and it doesn't fit the "CCM put you to freakin' sleep model" they don't play it on the radio. Third Day has been a victim of this (cough *WIRE* cough) and it might happen with this cd too.

And you people are unstable...not me;)
My beef with the article was not that it was slamming Third Day or Christian music, it was that the writing sucked, plain and simple. I agree that a lot of CCM music is totally lame, and I think criticism is warranted. However, for me at least, that's a completely separate issue from the bad writing in the "Revelation" article, which is C- writing at best.

To be fair, I did go and read some of Patrol Magazine's other articles, which were all decent, in fact I thought the one on Britt Nicole's "Believe" video was mildly amusing.

And I toe that fine line between stable and unstable... :P