Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye & Jerry Jenkins

[clemsontigers23]

I just started reading this book today. Don't tell me what happens, but how accurate would you say this book is compared with Scripture? I just read where the firestorm and hail destroyed the Russian assault on Israel, and that supposedly it says somewhere in the Bible that God would destroy Israel's enemies with a firestorm and hail, so I was wondering.

[Valpo]

I just started reading this book today. Don't tell me what happens, but how accurate would you say this book is compared with Scripture? I just read where the firestorm and hail destroyed the Russian assault on Israel, and that supposedly it says somewhere in the Bible that God would destroy Israel's enemies with a firestorm and hail, so I was wondering.

i think it's about as accurate as saying Jesus never rose from the dead. Buttttttttt that's just my opinion.


Hey do you have itunes? I may have something for you to check out if you do...

[Howlin' Wolf]

the opposite of accurate

[middletree]

To answer your question, I am very unconvinced that the theology presented in the Left Behind books is biblically accurate.

There, I said it in a polite diplomatic way. Much better than what I had originally typed.

[mat1583]

Consider it a fiction, and fiction only. It's an interesting series and has led many souls to seek Christ, but I do not consider it theologically sound.

-washboard

[RevZeek]

Consider it a fiction, and fiction only. It's an interesting series and has led many souls to seek Christ, but I do not consider it theologically sound.

-washboard

That's what I think too. Great series but totally fictitious.

[clemsontigers23]

i think it's about as accurate as saying Jesus never rose from the dead. Buttttttttt that's just my opinion.


Hey do you have itunes? I may have something for you to check out if you do...

Yeah, I got iTunes. I don't have any money in my account, though, if that's what you're implying.

Alright, so all of you are saying it's inaccurate...anyone got any reasons why? Seems pretty accurate so far...

[Valpo]

Yeah, I got iTunes. I don't have any money in my account, though, if that's what you're implying.

Alright, so all of you are saying it's inaccurate...anyone got any reasons why? Seems pretty accurate so far...

nope, doesnt cost a dime actually
ill PM you


reasons why it is inaccurate is a thread in and of itself

[EmmoGomer]

I haven't read the books but have friends who have. They seem to think it's fairly accurate. I too would be interested in hearing reasons why it isn't http://www.mazeguy.net/silly/eyebrows.gif.

[middletree]

reasons why it is inaccurate is a thread in and of itself

Well, since it's clemsontigers23's thread, and he's the one asking that question, it's OK to answer it in this thread.

[Valpo]

Well, since it's clemsontigers23's thread, and he's the one asking that question, it's OK to answer it in this thread.

fair enough, I've been PMing him, but I could answer for Emmo and anyone else wondering. Left Behind deals with premillennial dispensationalism, which is something I flat out reject. But what's interesting is we have plenty of millennialists and specifically pre-millennialists who dont like left behind but stick to a pre-millennial theology. I'd really be interested in hearing the reasons for that, I have always wondered. But anyway, I think the whole notion of millennialism is contrary to what Jesus said about not knowing the day or the hour when He is to return. I feel the millennium and events that begin the countdown to Jesus' return contradict that we dont know the last day. I realize this is unpopular on these boards and in American Christianity in general, but it's what I believe and what I have deduced from scripture.

[clemsontigers23]

fair enough, I've been PMing him, but I could answer for Emmo and anyone else wondering. Left Behind deals with premillennial dispensationalism, which is something I flat out reject. But what's interesting is we have plenty of millennialists and specifically pre-millennialists who dont like left behind but stick to a pre-millennial theology. I'd really be interested in hearing the reasons for that, I have always wondered. But anyway, I think the whole notion of millennialism is contrary to what Jesus said about not knowing the day or the hour when He is to return. I feel the millennium and events that begin the countdown to Jesus' return contradict that we dont know the last day. I realize this is unpopular on these boards and in American Christianity in general, but it's what I believe and what I have deduced from scripture.

You're right...another thread in itself. ;)

I'll be honest...I'm not sure which theory I believe, and that's pretty much why I've been asking about it so much.

[cheewiee]

fair enough, I've been PMing him, but I could answer for Emmo and anyone else wondering. Left Behind deals with premillennial dispensationalism, which is something I flat out reject.
Dispensationalism is more than just an eschatology... It is a method of biblical interpretation....

But what's interesting is we have plenty of millennialists and specifically pre-millennialists who dont like left behind but stick to a pre-millennial theology. I'd really be interested in hearing the reasons for that, I have always wondered.
Have you ever considered that it could be because of the writing? Could it be that the characters are so two dimensional and have a lack of real depth?

As someone who at this point would identify myself as a dispensationalist, I don't like how the authors force meanings on passages of certain scripture. L

But anyway, I think the whole notion of millennialism is contrary to what Jesus said about not knowing the day or the hour when He is to return. I feel the millennium and events that begin the countdown to Jesus' return contradict that we dont know the last day. Not when the Millennium is after his return.... :confused:

[Valpo]

But the Millennium is not Jesus' final judgement, that comes after according to pre-millennial theology. And the rapture is the second coming, the millennium the third. And I understand dispensationalism has to do with other things than pre-millennial, but Lahaye and Jenkins write in those specific terms. I appreciate why you don't agree with the series though, how strict their sense of writing is is a fine and decent answer.

[Jason]

I don't agree with the whole premise of the series as I believe Christians won't get raptured until the last trumpet.

[clemsontigers23]

I don't agree with the whole premise of the series as I believe Christians won't get raptured until the last trumpet.

Scripture? ;)

[Jason]

Scripture? ;)

51. "Behold, I tell you a mystery:
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--
52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound,
and the dead will be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality. - 1Cor.15:51-53

John 6:39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me,
that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up at the last day."

John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me,
that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.""

John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;
and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life,
and I will raise him up at the last day."

Matthew 24:29-31
29. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

30. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[Valpo]

rev. 11:15-19

15Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever." 16And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying,

"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
who is and who was,
for you have taken your great power
and begun to reign.
18The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth."
19Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.

I don't think it is a rapture that most may think, I just think this signifies the end of the world, and the "rapture" being the final judgement of the unfaithful and the rewarding of the faithful, eternal life.

[clemsontigers23]

http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thess, 4:16-18).

The Unknown Hour
When we search the Scriptures and read the passages describing the Lord Jesus' return, we find verses that tell us we won't know the day and hour of that event. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 indicates that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1,260 days, starting when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven-year tribulation (Dan 9:27). Note that some people only see a three-and-a-half-year tribulation. In a way, they are correct because the first half of the tribulation will be relatively peaceful compared to the second half. Nonetheless, peaceful or not, there still remains a seven-year period called the tribulation. When the Jews flee into the wilderness, they know that all they have to do is wait out those 1,260 days (Mat 24:16). There is no way to apply the phrase "neither the day nor the hour" to this situation. The only way for these two viewpoints to be true is to separate the two distinct events transpiring here: 1) the rapture of the Church, which comes before the tribulation; and 2) the return of Jesus to the earth, which takes place roughly seven years later.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb
In Luke 12:36, the Word states that when Christ returns, He will be returning from a wedding. In Revelation 19:7-8, we read about the marriage itself. The marriage supper takes place before the marriage. According to Jewish custom, the marriage contract, which often includes a dowry, is drawn up first. The contract parallels the act of faith we use when we trust Jesus to be our Savior. The dowry is His life, which was used to purchase us. When it’s time for the wedding, the groom goes to the bride's house unannounced. She comes out to meet him, and then he takes her to his father's house. This precisely correlates with the events according to the pre-trib scenario. Jesus, the Groom, comes down from heaven and calls up the Church, His Bride. After meeting in the air, He and His Bride return to His Father's house, heaven. The marriage supper itself will take place there, while down here on earth the final events of the tribulation will be playing out. After the marriage supper of Jewish tradition, the bride and groom are presented to the world as man and wife. This corresponds to the time when Jesus returns to earth accompanied by an army "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" (Rev 19:14).

What They Didn't Teach You in History Class
Many groups try to discredit the pre-trib rapture by saying most of the end-time events in the Bible have already taken place. A group of people called preterists claims that the Book of Revelation was mostly fulfilled by 70 AD. If the events described in the Book of Revelation took place in the past, I’m at a loss to explain some of the current situations I see around us: the rebirth of Israel, the reunification of Europe, the number of global wars that have occurred, and the development of nuclear weapons. During history class, I must have slept through the part where the teacher talked about the time when a third of the trees were burned up, 100-pound hailstones fell from the sky, and the sea turned into blood (Rev 8:7-8, 16:21). I think several people would have to question their opposition to the pre-trib rapture doctrine if they knew that the evidence provided to them was based on the understanding that most tribulation prophecies have already occurred.

The People of the Millennium
If Christ were to come back after the tribulation, rapture all the saints, and slay all the ungodly, who would be left to populate the earth during the millennium? Only the pre-trib viewpoint can account for this post-trib problem. The Church is raptured before the tribulation, a vast number of souls are saved during this seven-year time frame, and those who make it through the tribulation go into the millennium while the unsaved are cast into hell.

The Saint U-Turn
In the pre-trib scenario, after we rise to meet the Lord in the air, we will go to heaven and abide there seven years. At the end of that period, Christ will come down to earth, defeat the Antichrist, and cleanse the temple. In a post-trib rapture, we would rise in the air to meet the Lord, then do a 180-degree U-turn and come back down to earth. Revelation 1:7 states that Christ will appear out of the clouds and come down to earth. Zechariah 14:4 says that His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him?

"Come Up Hither"
Many pre-trib writers cite Revelation 4:1, which says, "come up hither," as a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church, leaving Revelation chapters 1 through 3 as a description of the Church Age. After the shout to "come up hither," the Church is not mentioned in Scripture at all. The attention of Scripture switches from the Church to the Jews living in Israel.

Armies in Fine Linen
When Jesus returns (Rev. 19:18), an army follows Him. The army’s members are riding on white horses, and they are clothed in fine linen that is white and clean. In Revelation 19:8, we are told that the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not possible to have a post-trib rapture without us running into ourselves as we are coming and going.

The Time of Jacob's Trouble
In several passages, the Bible refers to the tribulation as a time of trouble for the Jews. The phrase "Jacob's trouble" pertains to the descendants of Jacob. Jeremiah 30:7 says that this time of trouble will come just before the Lord returns to save His people. The final week of Daniel's 70th week is yet to take place. An angel told Daniel that, "70 weeks are determined unto thy people" (Dan 9:24). Scripture never mentions that the tribulation is meant to be a time of testing for Christians. However, some post-tribbers try to claim that they are the ones being tested during the tribulation. To make this so, they need to spiritualize the 144,000 Jewish believers in Revelation 7:2-8 who receive God's protective seal. Placing the Church dispensation into the same time frame as the seven-year Jewish dispensation, as the post-tribbers do, raises one good question: Can two dispensations transpire at the same time? In the past, God has only dealt with one at a time. Having both present during the tribulation would have to be an exception.

”He” That is Taken Out of the Way
Before the Antichrist can be revealed, Paul said a certain "He" must be taken out of the way. According to 2 Thessalonians 2:7, the "He" that must be removed is widely thought to be the Holy Spirit. It has been promised that the Holy Spirit would never leave the Church, and without the working of the Holy Spirit remaining on earth, no one could be saved during the tribulation. The removal of the Church, which is indwelt by the Holy Ghost, would seem the best explanation for this dilemma. The working of the Holy Spirit could go on during the tribulation, but His influence would be diminished because of the missing Church.

War or Rapture
(Rev 19:19-21) When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will be coming for battle. For those who believe in a post-trib rapture, it would be strange to meet your Lord and Savior just as He's rushing into battle. The idea that war and rapture could occur together is difficult to imagine, especially since they transpire at the same moment.

The Five Foolish Virgins
The wedding story that Jesus gave in Matthew 25:2-13, I believe, is a parable of the rapture of the Church. It explains how some will not be ready. Jesus clearly states that a group of people will miss out on an event, and will cry out to God to let them into the place where He resides, heaven. Although some try to put this parable in a post-trib context, it doesn't fit very well. The ones left behind in a post-trib rapture will not need to seek the Lord because they'll immediately be confronted by Him and His army of angels.

God Hath Not Appointed Us to Wrath
In 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul assures us that God has not appointed His people to wrath. This wrath is plainly God's anger that will be poured out during the tribulation. Pre-trib believers interpret this as meaning that Christians will be removed from the earth. Post-trib believers tell a different story. They describe this as meaning that God will protect Christians during the tribulation and pour this wrath out on the unbelievers only. This idea runs against the statement made in Revelation 13:7, in which the Antichrist is given power to make war with the saints and to overcome them. A post-trib view would make God's promise of protection from wrath into a lie. In years past, it was possible to think of being protected from the guns and swords of that day. Today, when any major war would involve nuclear and chemical weapons, it's impossible to expect that same kind of protection. When Nagasaki, Japan was bombed during World War II, the bomb exploded over a Catholic church. Everyone who was in the center of the explosion died--both Christians and non-Christians. The only way to validly interpret God's promise of protection from wrath is by viewing 1 Thessalonians 5:9 as the bodily removal of the Church from this world.

The Salt of the Earth
Jesus said, "Ye are the salt of the earth" (Matthew 5:13). When the believers are supenly removed, the earth will be plunged into spiritual darkness. When this happens, the Antichrist will then be free to control the world.

God Takes an Inventory
In Revelation 7:3, an angel descends to earth and seals the servants of God. Two bits of information about this sealing highly disclaim a post-trib viewpoint. The first item is the number of people sealed: 144,000. The second one is that all those who are sealed are from the 12 tribes of Israel. For the events in Revelation 7:3-8 to be true in a post-trib interpretation, either the Church has turned against God or God has turned against the Church. A post-tribber could write a thousand-word commentary about why the Church doesn't need to be sealed. Instead of trying to argue about why the Church is not mentioned or sealed, a pre-trib proponent could just say, "We're already in heaven."

[Valpo]

interesting website...

[clemsontigers23]

interesting website...

Care to refute any of the points? ;)

[mat1583]

The Five Foolish Virgins
The wedding story that Jesus gave in Matthew 25:2-13, I believe, is a parable of the rapture of the Church. It explains how some will not be ready. Jesus clearly states that a group of people will miss out on an event, and will cry out to God to let them into the place where He resides, heaven. Although some try to put this parable in a post-trib context, it doesn't fit very well. The ones left behind in a post-trib rapture will not need to seek the Lord because they'll immediately be confronted by Him and His army of angels.


Why doesn't it fit very well for post-trib? This parallels with the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus was in heaven and the rich man cried out to Abraham from the depths of hell. The idea is that for both the rich man and the 5 virgins, it was too late for them when they died to make up for their life to reach heaven.

-washboard

[mat1583]

War or Rapture
(Rev 19:19-21) When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will be coming for battle. For those who believe in a post-trib rapture, it would be strange to meet your Lord and Savior just as He's rushing into battle. The idea that war and rapture could occur together is difficult to imagine, especially since they transpire at the same moment.


"difficult to imagine". I wouldn't even say that needs to be refuted. It's pretty difficult to imagine someone being resurrected from the dead or a sea being parted, but that doesn't mean God isn't going to do something like that. Is this even a point??

-washboard

[cheewiee]

While I don't agree that alone this story supports a Pre-trib rapture of the church, I don't think it really parallels the Parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. The Parable of the virgins was a "Kingdom parable" and the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man was not...

[mat1583]

Armies in Fine Linen
When Jesus returns (Rev. 19:18), an army follows Him. The army’s members are riding on white horses, and they are clothed in fine linen that is white and clean. In Revelation 19:8, we are told that the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not possible to have a post-trib rapture without us running into ourselves as we are coming and going.


What? First of all, Rev. 19:18 talks about eating the flesh of commanders, horses, etc. I think what this is referring to is Rev. 19:14. Secondly, this point makes no sense at all. For this point to make any sense, you would have to assume that up until this point there are no saints at all in heaven. ???

-washboard

[mat1583]

The Saint U-Turn
In the pre-trib scenario, after we rise to meet the Lord in the air, we will go to heaven and abide there seven years. At the end of that period, Christ will come down to earth, defeat the Antichrist, and cleanse the temple. In a post-trib rapture, we would rise in the air to meet the Lord, then do a 180-degree U-turn and come back down to earth. Revelation 1:7 states that Christ will appear out of the clouds and come down to earth. Zechariah 14:4 says that His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him?



Christ did a 3 day u-turn, and the girl he raised from the dead a few hours u-turn. Why is it so unimaginable that we would rise to meet Christ? This point is a very weak argument.

-washboard

[Valpo]

Care to refute any of the points? ;)

not enough time in my day ;)

[clemsontigers23]

1 Thessalonians 5:9

"For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

http://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-tribulation.html

Question: "When is the Rapture going to occur in relation to the Tribulation?"

Answer: The timing of the Rapture in relation to the Tribulation is one of the most controversial issues in the church today. The three primary views are Pretribulational (the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation), Midtribulational (the Rapture occurs at the mid-point of the Tribulation), and Posttribulational (the Rapture occurs at the end of the Tribulation). A 4th view, commonly known as Pre-wrath, is a slight modification of the Midtribulational position.

First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the Tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “week” (7 years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy weeks (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth week, the Tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time.

The primary Scripture passage on the Rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The Rapture is God removing His people from the earth. A few verses later in 5:9 Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The Book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the Tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the Tribulation. It would seem inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth during the Tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together.

Another crucial passage on the timing of the Rapture is Revelation 3:10. There, Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things: (1) Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or (2) Christ will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept “from.” It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the Tribulation. The purpose of the Tribulation, the purpose of the Rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the Pretribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the Pretribulational position is the most Biblically consistent interpretation.

[catman]

I have "read" the entire series (I listen to audiobooks, as I don't like to sit in one place long enough to actually read) other than the last book, as it is not available "unabridged" yet. I have the series in print as well.
This series led to my salvation. I had been "playing around" the edges of Christianity for years, in a similar fashion to Bruce Barnes in the books, but never actually made the "transaction" until I read the first book. I realized what a hypocrite I'd been and decided to change that in myself.
I've seen a great change in my life since then and appreciate what God has given me a whole lot more now.

[jessieissaved]

Amen the seiries also helped lead me to salvation

[poohladygomer]

I am also listening to the series and it has had a major impact on my life. I started listening to them after I listened to The Bible Experience and couldn't get enough of God. I believe that the Rapture happens before the Tribulation. While it would be so awesome to see some of the things that God will allow to happen on the earth, and to also see the two lampstands of God, I will be relieved to not have to be here thru this to make those who need further conversion see the Light. I read a series called the Christ Clone series and while it ended similarly, it was really weird!

[MBishop08]

Left Behind - started off with one book with a fiction/non-fiction telling the lives of Rayford Steele (pilot), and Cameron 'Buck' Williams (newspaper editor) during the biggest event since Jesus dying on the cross - The Dissapearances. In once instant every child and every believer disappears, leaving the world in chaos. Rayford and Buck are two of many people Left Behind.

Anyone read any of the books in the 11 part series? I'm up to no.6 "Assasins".

www.leftbehind.com

Here's what leftbehind.com describes it as:
Passengers aboard a Boeing 747 en route to Europe disappear. Instantly. Nothing remains except their rumpled piles of clothes, jewelry, fillings, surgical pins, and the like.

Vehicles, suddenly unmanned, careen out of control. People are terror-stricken as loved ones vanish before their eyes.

Some blame space aliens. Others claim a freak of nature. Still others say it was a high-tech military attack by a world conqueror.

But airline captain Rayford Steele's wife had warned him of this very event. If Irene Steele was right, both she and their young son have disappeared. What about their older daughter? Lake Rayford, Chloe had been skeptical.

In the midst of global chaos, Rayford must search for his family, for answers, for truth. As devastating as the disappearances have been, the darkest days may lie ahead.

Terror and chaos continues worldwide as the cataclysm unfolds. For those left behind, the apocalypse has just begun.

[poohladygomer]

I am listening to them on CD and am up to 10, Kingdom Come. I have so loved these, they have made my commute fantastic. I will be listening to the Babylon Rising series next. I am also listening to The Bible on cd, Inspired by The Bible Experience and it is awesome!

[MBishop08]

'Tis an awesome series - probably easier to listen to it on CD though

[Jake]

I've read the entire series, and it really is a good read.

[Howlin' Wolf]

its garbage

[lilmikey]

its garbage

I think so too.

[The Unknown Gomer]

I read through the whole series, getting each one from the library as it was released.

Some books were just WAY too wordy, spanning just a day or so in excruciating detail, but on the whole, I enjoyed them.

[Jason]

From a Biblical perspective, they're way off.

From a writer's perspective, they're not written very well.

[mindyhere]

What about the perspective that heaven will be on earth in the end days - does the book address that? I've never read any of them.

[MBishop08]

its garbage

I think so too.

From a Biblical perspective, they're way off.

From a writer's perspective, they're not written very well.

It gives an insite into what the last days might be. It's written well... I don't enjoy reading, but I am gripped to this series.

And the last book in the series is about the "Glorious Appearing" - when Jesus comes again- so yes it does go into heaven on earth

[Valpo]

Garbage is a polite word to describe this series


heterodox theology is getting closer

[middletree]

It gives an insite into what the last days might be.

Do you mean "insight?"

No matter how you spell it, the stories told in that series of books are not about what the last days will be like. They're so far off biblically that it's criminal.

Jason said it best. They are poorly written (as in 3rd-grade level), and theologically inaccurate.

[The Unknown Gomer]

But still a very entertaining and involving (usually) read, which is normally why I pick up a book in the first place. :)

[MBishop08]

But still a very entertaining and involving (usually) read, which is normally why I pick up a book in the first place. :)

So yeah - it isn't that biblically accurate - but it is a really good read

[The Unknown Gomer]

So yeah - it isn't that biblically accurate - but it is a really good readParticularly the last one, I put it on reserve immediately once I found out it was being released. And out of all of them, it would be the one that I'd probably get a second time and reread. :cool:

[Gaudete]

I lost interest after about the fifth one. I don't think they were well-written, either. JMHO

[teclils]

I lost interest after about the fifth one. I don't think they were well-written, either. JMHO

it took you 5 books to realize that LOL...just giving you a bad time ;)

[Gaudete]

So it takes me awhile to catch on.... :P

[ConsumingWhoIAm]

i checked the first book out for the first time at the library a few months ago and i couldn't finish it. i felt like the characters were getting "saved" for all the wrong reasons: the pilot wanted to see his family, ect, ect. i felt like they were doing it for there own needs, rather than for God.

[lilmikey]

i checked the first book out for the first time at the library a few months ago and i couldn't finish it. i felt like the characters were getting "saved" for all the wrong reasons: the pilot wanted to see his family, ect, ect. i felt like they were doing it for there own needs, rather than for God.

good point

[ausgirl]

Well I've read them all, I enjoyed them, though I found the further on I got, the more far fetched and exaggerated that the writing seemed to become.
They are fiction after all - if I want biblical fact, I'll read my bible;)

[SueQ]

Enjoyed them as well...some more than others...never finished Glorious Appearing...once Jesus returned I was satisfied...ooops! Did I spoil the ending? ;)

[elby65]

Read them all, and some were better than the others. I found "Glorious Appearing" very far-fetched, but that's okay. It is fiction. This last one almost read like science-fiction or fantasy, depending on your view. But a good read anyway!

[MBishop08]

good point
The first book is mainly about Rayford and Buck getting back to "normal" lives - but they meet and after becoming christians try and face the evil in the end times.

Well I've read them all, I enjoyed them, though I found the further on I got, the more far fetched and exaggerated that the writing seemed to become.
They are fiction after all - if I want biblical fact, I'll read my bible;)
Agreed! :D

Enjoyed them as well...some more than others...never finished Glorious Appearing...once Jesus returned I was satisfied...ooops! Did I spoil the ending? ;)
No - the title obviously gives it away :rolleyes: