15 Phila cops beat 3 suspects during arrest...

[Evanescence]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/philadelphia-police-caugh_n_100569.html

I must say that i have some very mixed feelings about this...

I despise BOTH abusive cops and scumbag ghetto gangbangers....so i'm really torn as to who is to blame for this.....for what was justified.

It appears these suspects were fleeing a 3 way shooting/murder and were finally caught. But the beating is pretty wild...

Those that won't watch the Vid....its basically 5 cops on each guy, all are on the ground. Several cops move from subdude guy to guy kicking and beating as they go. Billy clubs are a flyin' ....

I just don't know that to think....

[Valpo]

whatever the case, we know the USA is at fault somehow in this!!! :mad:

The so called "druggies" knew something about 9/11 and the CIA sent in a task force team to mow them down!!!

Government intervention?!?!

Gee, imagine that... :cool:

[Evanescence]

whatever the case, we know the USA is at fault somehow in this!!! :mad:

The so called "druggies" knew something about 9/11 and the CIA sent in a task force team to mow them down!!!

Government intervention?!?!

Gee, imagine that... :cool:

Alpo...I like the way you think... :cool:

[Pouye]

Oh no!!! Don't hurt the bad guys! :rolleyes:

We don't know the situation. The thugs (er, I mean, "suspects") could have been armed with guns or tried to use knives or other weapons on the officers. I have an uncle who is a police officer. He is not "brutal", but he sometimes has to use painful force on people (usually younger males who think they are tough) to get them to do what he says. He has no problem using a tazer on someone who doesn't immediately put his/her hands up when commanded to do so. He also doesn't have any problem macing someone who will not pay attention to him. He's had guns drawn on him, knives pulled on him, and he has been injured by thugs trying to take him out. He is a black belt in Kung Fu, so hand-to-hand combat usually ends up with the thug on the ground crying for his mother.

My uncle is a great guy. I'm not just saying that because he's my uncle, either. He really tries to do law enforcement in a way that helps society. He sees his job as serving people. He is also faced with thugs strung out on Meth all the time (which makes them very crazy and very strong). He is a father and grandfather, and he isn't into playing around with punks who might have it in their thick skulls that he is a target to be taken out.

I've talked about this whole "police brutality" issue with him on a few occasions. He says that unless you are an experienced officer you just don't understand the sorts of scenarios police officers find themselves in. It is easy to criticise officers for being too "brutal" until you've been shot, stabbed or punched so hard by a thug that you've fallen unconscious. My uncle says he has never hit or done anything "brutal" to someone who is completely submissive. If he says lay down and spread out your hands, and the guy does exactly what he tells him to do without too much hesitation, he is very gentle with him. But if he resists, he makes sure the guy realises who's boss very quickly. That's because if the person resists, they are suddenly unpredictable; they could pull out a gun, a knife, or do something unexpected to hurt you or kill you.

If the guys in this video were resisting arrest (which appears so), they needed the crap kicked out of them, in my opinion. They might think twice about resisting arrest again.

Now if someone's not resisting arrest and gets mangled, that's a different story.

Rock

[Evanescence]

I hear ya Rock...and as far as the law of the land goes, these punks probably had some payback a LONG time coming...But legally and ethically, i just don't know.

The one guy hopped out and looked like he was going to run...the were all subdude, then kicked and beaten pretty good. Its a clear video and it looks like at least SOME of the cops are guilty of excessive force.

It just sends a bad signal about our law enforcement....like they're above the law...or have a license to kill.

I just don't know,....

[Debbie]

Will we ever know besides their crimes what else they did to warrant the officers actions?

Lots of stuff happening in the world, I can't help but wonder.

[phil_ur_friend]

My Dad always told me;
"There is no such thing as a fair fight,
There are winners,
And there are losers."

In my opinion, If it is my job and duty to apprehend someone who just murdered someone else-
I am going to do everything in my power to make sure that they don't do anything to impede my progress,
and in this case, if they actually did just stab or shoot someone to death-
I would keep kicking until there was absolutely no opposition to my installation of handcuffs, even to the point of breaking stuff-
nothing like a violent rape or murder to just throw your right
(to not get kicked in the face) right out the window.

Sometimes,(certain means to an end) can be not so pleasant to watch.

Mind you, I am definitely not taking the side of the cops that were just kicking for fun, but some of those kicks were probably meant to discourage any attempt to get away, or kill an officer.

It's all or nothing-

Winners and Losers

Excuses don't count when you're dead.

Phil, your (I can't think of anything witty to say here this time) friend :D

[Evanescence]

My Dad always told me;
"There is no such thing as a fair fight,
There are winners,
And there are losers."

In my opinion, If it is my job and duty to apprehend someone who just murdered someone else-
I am going to do everything in my power to make sure that they don't do anything to impede my progress,
and in this case, if they actually did just stab or shoot someone to death-
I would keep kicking until there was absolutely no opposition to my installation of handcuffs, even to the point of breaking stuff-
nothing like a violent rape or murder to just throw your right
(to not get kicked in the face) right out the window.

Sometimes,(certain means to an end) can be not so pleasant to watch.

Mind you, I am definitely not taking the side of the cops that were just kicking for fun, but some of those kicks were probably meant to discourage any attempt to get away, or kill an officer.

It's all or nothing-

Winners and Losers

Excuses don't count when you're dead.

Phil, your (I can't think of anything witty to say here this time) friend :D

I think you Philled in the blank...

[Jesuslove]

Will we ever know besides their crimes what else they did to warrant the officers actions?

Lots of stuff happening in the world, I can't help but wonder.

I think I know the missing piece to the puzzle. I work in Philadelphia. Five days before this police beating, a police officer was murdered in Philadelphia by a thug dressed in muslim drag, who had carried a semi-automatic machine gun into a grocery store in order to rob located in the store. The cop didn't have a chance. Police Officers in Philadelphia, both black and whte alike have been on edge. The murder rate in Philadelphia is at an all time high. The situation was volitaile. Add to that, the call that came in to the police minutes before the men attempted to flee the scene. The police were told these men were armed with guns. They police didn't want to lose another officer. That being said, these men didn't not deserve to be beaten as they were. There is no justification for that.

[Pouye]

That being said, these men didn't not deserve to be beaten as they were. There is no justification for that.

That depends on if they were armed or not, if they tried to resist arrest or not, and what they were doing or attempting to do when they were caught. Again, I'm not into brutality for brutality sake, but sometimes officers have to use force that appears to be excessive so that someone doesn't get really hurt or killed.

I'm not saying the officers were right about the amount of force they used. I don't know. I wasn't one of them, and I wasn't in their situation. But it could be that if you knew their side of the story (which it appears you might know some background of it) there might be some justification for what they did.


Rock

[Jesuslove]

That depends on if they were armed or not, if they tried to resist arrest or not, and what they were doing or attempting to do when they were caught. Again, I'm not into brutality for brutality sake, but sometimes officers have to use force that appears to be excessive so that someone doesn't get really hurt or killed.

I'm not saying the officers were right about the amount of force they used. I don't know. I wasn't one of them, and I wasn't in their situation. But it could be that if you knew their side of the story (which it appears you might know some background of it) there might be some justification for what they did.


Rock

The men were unarmed. The men did resist arrest by fleeing the scene. However I don't think the level of force was in any way justified. To go back to what I said before, I think the abuse resulted in part from the officers being on guard from a shooting the weekend before.