Concern about the songs on Revelation

[sandyandporter]

How are they going to play some of these songs live without 2 guitarists? I LOVE Revelation and can't wait to see them in concert (8/9 in case I haven't mentioned it 27 times) but how are they going to play songs like Slow Down etc with only 1 guitar player?

[TN3Dmom]

I have not heard Slow Down yet, but Revelation and Otherside, which are both heavy on the guitars, still sound incredible. Mark has done a great job on those.

[rossid]

Have you heard the live stuff from this spring? Mark is doing some more stuff. It will be different a sound. Not those awesome solos and mouth caricatures we are used to. Maybe some keyboards will fill in for guitar.

Here is a good review from Jesus Freak Hideout.

http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/concerts/ThirdDayLiveTourSpring200 8.asp

An intermission came next, allowing those in attendance to visit the lobby and grab some snacks, take a bathroom break, or pick up some merch and meet the opening bands. After about fifteen minutes - around 9:15pm, Atlanta rock foursome Third Day emerged with "Tunnel," the opening track from their most recent studio release, Wherever You Are. This was the first Third Day show since probably 1999, when they were touring Time, that I wasn't seeing in a large arena or at a summer festival in front of tens of thousands. With about two thousand fans in attendance this night, the stage setup felt a lot more simplified and intimate. Just weeks prior to this show, longtime Third Day guitarist Brad Avery exited to pursue other endeavors, so this was also the first time I was seeing the band without Avery since the first time I'd laid eyes and ears on a live show of theirs in the summer of '96. It was a bit surreal not seeing Avery up there with the guys, with fellow guitarist Mark Lee picking up Brad's parts and signature solos. This also gave bassist Tai Anderson a chance to step forward from usually hanging more in the background and take his place up front with vocalist Mac Powell and Lee. Joining the four guys on keys was producer/artist Scotty Wilbanks who was stationed in the back next to drummer David Carr. Without any video production or extreme lighting rigs, (and what seemed like a smaller stage than usual), there definitely was a more intimate feel at this show.

This feeling was only increased by the band's debuting of four brand new selections from their upcoming, July 29th new studio album release, entitled Revelation. "I Got A Feeling" and "Rockstar" from their album Wire were next, before Powell introduced the first of the new cuts, "I'll Always Be True," a song he described as being dedicated to the men and women fighting in Iraq. Powell introduced the acoustic ballad "I've Always Loved You" as one of his all-time favorite Third Day songs, before the band performed their updated rendition of the classic, "Thief." At this point, they debuted another new one, "Call My Name," which fit in well with the rest of the song choices. A wonderful sort of worship interlude followed, featuring "King Of Glory" and "Your Love Oh Lord" (which concluded with a portion of the hymn, "Nothing But The Blood"), before two more highlights from Wire - "Come On Back To Me" and "I Believe." The worship in a Third Day show is some of my all-time favorite live worship moments and this night would prove to be no exception. A special performance of the upcoming title track from Revelation served as another set highlight. The song, lyrically about asking God for direction and guidance, not only brought forward an honesty that most Christians can relate to at any stage in their walk, but it also was right in line with Sanctus Real's messages in songs like "I'm Not Alright." The worshipful mood returned to close the set, starting with the popular "God Of Wonders," which featured Revive vocalist Dave Hanbury in support of Powell. Finally, a retouched rendition of "My Hope Is You," from their Conspiracy No. 5 record, made for a grand finish, with the band leaving the stage - only briefly for an inevitable encore. Upon returning, they performed the last new track, "The Other Side," which was probably the most rocking of the new offerings, and Mac made it a point to introduce the guys of Third Day before the song's end. As a special treat, Sanctus Real's vocalist Matt and guitarist Pete Provost came back out, along with a couple guys from Revive and DecembeRadio vocalist Josh Reedy, to join the band for a cover of The Traveling Wilburys' "Handle With Care." It was fun to watch the vocalists team for four-part harmonies a few times, making for a unique way to pull together the acts at the end. But before Third Day was through, they closed with their signature cover of Rich Mullins' "Creed" and then took a bow.

This tour, which will probably be just about finished by the time you read this, unfortunately, is definitely one of the more laid back Third Day tours I've seen in awhile. It was great to hear several new cuts along with old favorites, although it was especially surprising to note the complete omission of fan favorites like "Consuming Fire," "Sky Falls Down," or the newer radio hit, "Cry Out To Jesus." Still, what was presented felt more like a classic Third Day performance, and will most likely be remembered as one of my favorite tour experiences in a while. But with Third Day promising a tour package later this year that includes Switchfoot, Jars of Clay, and Robert Randolph, as we get closer to the release of Revelation, you can expect another tour from these guys that'll be for the books.

[sandyandporter]

I understand all this. It's just, they recorded these songs with 2 guitars and now they only have one. I listen to most of the shows on the Wired radio. They still sound awesome without a doubt. However, some songs they just can't do without 2 guitars... it's just not possible. Mark is an amazing guitar player but he can't do 2 parts. It's like one singer trying to sing melody and harmony at the same time, it can't be done. Yes you can take that harmony line and duplicate it on the piano or whatever and it will sound good, but it's still not how the song was intended to sound.

I wish they would get a 2nd guitar player. I will miss the depth of the sound that 2 guitars bring. That's just my musical preference.

We'll see what happens down the road. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE Third Day more than any other band I've ever listened to.

[The Unknown Gomer]

Actually, I'm listening to the stream now, and it's actually making me a little sad, knowing that Brad is on the CD, but is no longer with the band. :(

Sounds like they're getting by just fine without him playing live, from what I've heard from the folks who have seen them since he left, but it's still sad that he left.

Brad, wherever you are (no album pun intended there), hope you're doing well!

[EmmoGomer]

Is Brad actually on 'Revelation' then?? We get the impression when listening to 'Call my name' that Brad is not actually playing. Perhaps we're wrong :confused:.

[Debbie]

Nothing to be concerned about!

If it couldn't be done, the band, I'm sure would not pursue it. I've heard quite a few of the songs live, and I have to tell you, THE BEAT GOES ON! The sound is great, there is nothing to fear or be concerned about. The guitars are there. Mark has worked very hard, very very hard to play double duty on these songs, and has mastered it beautifully.

I think it was his blog a while back, where Mark said his knuckles were raw, so what does that tell you? And, having faith and giving Mark credit for his God given gift that we never had the opportunity of hearing 100%, it works and they deliver....The guitar solo's are awesome. I am ROCKED! The sound is grundgery, harder but not, what is the word I am looking for?? We are used to a clean rock sound, it is still clean, just alot more rock!!!!

[DawnGWTW]

The sound is great, there is nothing to fear or be concerned about. The guitars are there. Mark has worked very hard, very very hard to play double duty on these songs, and has mastered it beautifully.

I think it was his blog a while back, where Mark said his knuckles were raw, so what does that tell you?

Now that "Shake" is my new favorite and I keep listening more there is no denying that is Brad doing the solos on that song. Will Mark be able to pull that one off in a show? I say a whole hearted 100% YES!!! I bet you anything that is the song he has been practicing on the most. He won't play it til its perfect I bet.

[webo]

Have you heard the live stuff from this spring? Mark is doing some more stuff. It will be different a sound. Not those awesome solos and mouth caricatures we are used to. Maybe some keyboards will fill in for guitar.

Here is a good review from Jesus Freak Hideout.



Yes, but that story doesn't explain how they are playing the music without a guitarist. It's not a knock on Mark at all. He's awesome. But like sandy wrote, he can't play two parts.

I'm wondering how everyone feels about this. Myself, I'd prefer they replace Brad, rather than try to forge ahead in some sort of struggle to duplicate their normal sound at concerts. I'm sure there are some fans who are worried about disrupting the incredible chemistry of the band. But many bands with their longevity and chemistry successfully find someone who fits right in. I trust them very much to find the right person.

[webo]

If it couldn't be done, the band, I'm sure would not pursue it.


The question isn't whether it can be done. It's how seamlessly it can be done.

[EmmoGomer]

No-one is answering my question........
IS Brad playing on the Revelation album? Someone said he'd playing on Shake, but what about the other songs??

[Debbie]

Yes, but that story doesn't explain how they are playing the music without a guitarist. It's not a knock on Mark at all. He's awesome. But like sandy wrote, he can't play two parts.

If I were Mark, I wonder how I would receive these concerns? That is just my honest response to you when I read them. And, that is no knock to you. I hope point is taken as intended.

Let's say one person could not play the two parts. What if the arrangement were changed were one guitar works? What if the result actually turned out better?

My thoughts are, that until you hear it live, your concerns really have no merit. I might tend to wonder how they might have worked it out. Judge it when you've heard it. I say this in all fairness to everyone, mainly Mark.

I'm wondering how everyone feels about this. Myself, I'd prefer they replace Brad, rather than try to forge ahead in some sort of struggle to duplicate their normal sound at concerts. I'm sure there are some fans who are worried about disrupting the incredible chemistry of the band. But many bands with their longevity and chemistry successfully find someone who fits right in. I trust them very much to find the right person.

Have you heard the band live today? If not, it is really unfair to say "you'd prefer that they replace Brad". The band has announced they will not be doing that.

Listen, cause you don't know what you've been missin!

[Debbie]

No-one is answering my question........
IS Brad playing on the Revelation album? Someone said he'd playing on Shake, but what about the other songs??

Yes

[Debbie]

The question isn't whether it can be done. It's how seamlessly it can be done.

Only professional's can do it seamlessly. I am thinking Third Day fits this category. From what I have heard, it is working!!!!!!!!!!

[sandyandporter]

If I were Mark, I wonder how I would receive these concerns? That is just my honest response to you when I read them. And, that is no knock to you. I hope point is taken as intended.

I understand where you're coming from Deb, you're wanting to defend and protect the band. Trust me when I say I am NOT attacking them at all. I love this band and can't wait to see them live. I want to hear ALL the songs live, not just the ones they're capable of playing with just one guitar player.

As a musician I'm sure that Mark understands exactly what we're saying. I love Mark and I am not underrating his ability at all. He's an amazing guitar player and he knows you can't play chord guitar and rip solos at the same time. When the solo starts, the chords end.

I didn't mean to offend or upset. I will withhold any comments until I hear them live.

PS. I'm sure the band would appreciate the thoughts here much more than the "What Third Day song do you think is the worst." thread! That thread's just wrong!

[clemsontigers23]

I understand all this. It's just, they recorded these songs with 2 guitars and now they only have one. I listen to most of the shows on the Wired radio. They still sound awesome without a doubt. However, some songs they just can't do without 2 guitars... it's just not possible. Mark is an amazing guitar player but he can't do 2 parts. It's like one singer trying to sing melody and harmony at the same time, it can't be done. Yes you can take that harmony line and duplicate it on the piano or whatever and it will sound good, but it's still not how the song was intended to sound.

I wish they would get a 2nd guitar player. I will miss the depth of the sound that 2 guitars bring. That's just my musical preference.

We'll see what happens down the road. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE Third Day more than any other band I've ever listened to.

I'm not really all that worried anymore. Mac can at least play rhythm guitar on some tracks, but some of the awesome guitar solos will be missing. I wouldn't expect to here I Got a Feeling, Took My Place, or Consuming Fire ever again which is disappointing because I probably named three of my favorite 3D songs of all-time.

Mark has shown me something, though. He can't play two guitars, but he's doing a pretty good job of hiding whatever's missing from the second guitar. I hope they don't go overboard on the keys, but anyway they can add a bluesy feel to the music is fine with me. The fall tour will have Robert Randolph doing his steel guitar parts on Otherside if that will ease any doubts you have about the upcoming tour.

Eventually, I assume they'll get another guitar player. Until then, Mark is doing a great job.

[Debbie]

I understand where you're coming from Deb, you're wanting to defend and protect the band.

Hey Sandy. I appreciate your comments, however...I'm not defending the band, yet :) . Basically, I am saying...I wouldn't worry myself about what I think might be missing, until I have verified that it is or it isn't.


Trust me when I say I am NOT attacking them at all. I love this band and can't wait to see them live. I want to hear ALL the songs live, not just the ones they're capable of playing with just one guitar player.
I am trying to think if they have actually played every song they have recorded live at sometime or another. I'd say no, but can't say for sure. What I can say, Mark is playing the way he has always been capable of playing, but never has because of the set up. I can tell you this, Mark is ripe, it would not hurt my feelings a bit if he played more and more guitar solo's. You just have to hear it to know where I am coming from. I bet, he has mastered them all.

As a musician I'm sure that Mark understands exactly what we're saying. I love Mark and I am not underrating his ability at all. He's an amazing guitar player and he knows you can't play chord guitar and rip solos at the same time. When the solo starts, the chords end.
Never said you were. Sometimes, perhaps we should read back and make sure we have said is what we intended it too. Questions of "if he can do it", sorry, but that is how I took it, and, if I do so will others. Hmm, being a musican I would have thought musican's alike would have the answer to these questions. I guess years, level of experience are not always equal. Ah well.

I didn't mean to offend or upset. I will withhold any comments until I hear them live.

You didn't Sandy, really. My efforts were to spin the discussion into a more favorable outcome. Your questions were leading to more questions.

PS. I'm sure the band would appreciate the thoughts here much more than the "What Third Day song do you think is the worst." thread! That thread's just wrong!
I'll find that one if it is alive and active....

Thank you for responding Sandy!

[clemsontigers23]

every fansite has a topic like that, though. it's not like "wow Third Day really messed up there" but it's more like what we don't want to hear, hopefully helping the band out by telling them what works and what doesn't for the fans.

[webo]

If I were Mark, I wonder how I would receive these concerns?

I doubt he would be offended at all. It's nothing that hasn't been expressed before by people who are more musically literate than I am. Maybe you should re-read my post. How in the world can you construe it as an attack on Mark? I am not intimate friends with the band, but I have met them, even written a story on one of them. They have wonderful, pure, Godly hearts. I'm pretty sure they don't expect us to just fawn over everything that has anything to do with the band. They created these boards for talk among the band's fans. As long as it stays away from personal attacks and nastiness, everything's cool.



it is really unfair to say "you'd prefer that they replace Brad". The band has announced they will not be doing that.



Yes, I understand that. And so I can't have a preference?

[clemsontigers23]

I doubt he would be offended at all. It's nothing that hasn't been expressed before by people who are more musically literate than I am. Maybe you should re-read my post. How in the world can you construe it as an attack on Mark? I am not intimate friends with the band, but I have met them, even written a story on one of them. They have wonderful, pure, Godly hearts. I'm pretty sure they don't expect us to just fawn over everything that has anything to do with the band. They created these boards for talk among the band's fans. As long as it stays away from personal attacks and nastiness, everything's cool.




Yes, I understand that. And so I can't have a preference?

I agree about adding another guitar player. I love the dual guitar thing. In fact, why not add a couple of guitar players and have a triple threat? I think when they go back in the studio in a year or two they'll probably be forced to add another guitar player. It's hard to pull off the one guitar thing unless you're a hard rock band.

Either way, Mark is an underrated guitar player. And I agree that the guys wouldn't want us idolizing them and thinking they can do no wrong. A little constructive criticism can go a long way. "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid." Proverbs 12:1

Not that Third Day needs discipline, but just showing that taking some of the constructive criticism into consideration could be good for the band as a whole.

[jesus loves me]

I recently had use of a computer(this is through mobile web) and i pulled up new third day concert videos on youtube. i went for the ones without the 3rd gvitar. i was totally happy with the new foursome and i hope they move on and stay as is.

[Debbie]

I doubt he would be offended at all. It's nothing that hasn't been expressed before by people who are more musically literate than I am. I couldn't tell you honestly. However, not sure if you are aware of just how many of these thread types have surfaced

Maybe you should re-read my post. How in the world can you construe it as an attack on Mark? I am not intimate friends with the band, but I have met them, even written a story on one of them. They have wonderful, pure, Godly hearts. I'm pretty sure they don't expect us to just fawn over everything that has anything to do with the band. They created these boards for talk among the band's fans. As long as it stays away from personal attacks and nastiness, everything's cool..
My comments were not to sound like I was attacking, either. My comments basically were saying; let's check it out first, and then. Let's encourage Mark and the band. You are exactly right about the boards. As far as I can read, no one has attacked anyone in this thread. I think each side has expressed that.

From my position, if I felt that were the case, I wouldn't be having this conversation in the public forums.



Yes, I understand that. And so I can't have a preference? Of course. Just give things the way they are a chance. You will be amazed.

[webo]

My comments were not to sound like I was attacking, either.


Seemed like it. I posted simply to get a feel for whether the band's fans would rather see a replacement for Brad, or whether they might feel it could be disruptive to the chemistry of the group. A very fair question. And you basically shot it down, saying that the band already has decided, so my "preference" doesn't matter. I'm going to ask the question again, just because I am curious.

[freakysoccer]

well they played em live back in march at the decatur alabama show...otherside, call my name(i think), this is who i am and revelation...mac has picked up more on guitar and mark is just amazing and it blows me away to hear that guy play...tai is still the best bassist ever and david carr can sure play drums....don't worry...our guys rock!

[jumpingmaniac]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: after being a band for over 10 years, touring the country, doing over 1,000 concerts, releasing about a dozen CD's; a new guitarist would NOT go over well with the fans (including me, and im sure most of the rest of us gomers...not to mention how hard it would be on third day) I mean,sure if they had only been together for 5-6 years it would be a completely different story, but after this long...i dont think so. And on top of that Brad was completely unique in his style of playing and I dont think they could find someone to fill his shoes if they searched for years.

[Corrine]

How are they going to play some of these songs live without 2 guitarists? I LOVE Revelation and can't wait to see them in concert (8/9 in case I haven't mentioned it 27 times) but how are they going to play songs like Slow Down etc with only 1 guitar player?
They've been doing it for months now, and they do it very well! (You'll see! :D )

I understand all this. It's just, they recorded these songs with 2 guitars and now they only have one. I listen to most of the shows on the Wired radio. They still sound awesome without a doubt. However, some songs they just can't do without 2 guitars... it's just not possible. Mark is an amazing guitar player but he can't do 2 parts. It's like one singer trying to sing melody and harmony at the same time, it can't be done. Yes you can take that harmony line and duplicate it on the piano or whatever and it will sound good, but it's still not how the song was intended to sound.
But they do this all the time on records. Mac sings harmony with himself on the records, but he doesn't at the shows. There are strings or horns on some songs on the records, but not live. And yet, we don't really miss these things, because they work around them.

You listen to the songs on the Wired radio, and they sound awesome, but you still question how it will sound? But you said it sounded awesome. :confused: It will sound just like the Wired radio live, only better because you are there. Trust me, when you see them live, once you get over the feeling of not seeing Brad in his place, you will love it and you won't feel like something is missing in the sound. You will enjoy it. :)

Yes, but that story doesn't explain how they are playing the music without a guitarist. It's not a knock on Mark at all. He's awesome. But like sandy wrote, he can't play two parts.

Mac plays guitar, too. Mac and Mark. That's two guitarists.

I'm wondering how everyone feels about this. Myself, I'd prefer they replace Brad, rather than try to forge ahead in some sort of struggle to duplicate their normal sound at concerts. I'm sure there are some fans who are worried about disrupting the incredible chemistry of the band. But many bands with their longevity and chemistry successfully find someone who fits right in. I trust them very much to find the right person.

Who says they are trying to duplicate their normal sound? This is a new Third Day!

If the band were to decide to put someone in Brad's place, I have no doubt that they would choose someone with whom they have some sort of chemistry, and it would work fine. In fact, I'm sure they have prayed long and hard about what to do, and if the Lord says to replace Brad, He will also supply someone that would be the perfect fit. I personally have no opinion on whether or not to replace him. I know that Third Day will do whatever is best for Third Day, whatever they feel the Lord is leading them to do. And how can I dispute what the Lord has led them to do?

Seemed like it. I posted simply to get a feel for whether the band's fans would rather see a replacement for Brad, or whether they might feel it could be disruptive to the chemistry of the group. A very fair question. And you basically shot it down, saying that the band already has decided, so my "preference" doesn't matter. I'm going to ask the question again, just because I am curious.

Debbie was just saying that it doesn't really matter what our preference is. The decision is not ours. It's the band's. Certainly you can discuss how you see the situation. But it's like the Word forum. Please have a point of reference on which to base that opinion, such as "When I saw them play without Brad . . . "

I've seen Third Day live seven times without Brad. They are amazing! It's like a whole new band, tighter, more resolute! (http://gomertopia.typepad.com/new/2008/03/third-daysanctu.html) They have each amped up their performance quite a bit. No one should even comment on whether or not they can pull it off live until you have seen them play without Brad, or at the very least listened to the newer shows on the WIRED radio. They've been playing just about half of the new songs live (at one time or another) and I'm telling you from my own experience, they rock!

Mark is more awesome then ever. If they put the 4/21/08 Nashville show up on the WIRED radio, listen to it. They played an amazing version of "Thief" that will blow you away. Mark has a solo in it . . . I just sat there watching with my mouth hanging open. It was . . . WOW!!! It was seriously the best I've ever seen him play in 11 years. So don't knock it, or speculate, until you've seen/heard it for yourself.

I'm not really all that worried anymore. Mac can at least play rhythm guitar on some tracks, but some of the awesome guitar solos will be missing.

Mac can "at least" play rhythm guitar? awesome guitar solos will be missing? :eek: I don't think you guys realize how some of you sound. (Not picking on clemsontigers, just using this post as an example.) Put yourself in Mac and Mark's place and read through this thread. They are working harder than ever before, but I don't think they'll feel their efforts are being appreciated reading some of these comments. And they will read them. I know you don't mean to hurt their feelings, far from it. You are just trying to help. But consider the guys' feelings when you are phrasing your questions and comments. Think about how you feel when you make something for someone and you are hoping they'll appreciate all the work and love you put into it, and post that way. It's not that you can't say anything negative. You can certainly give your criticism. Just base your opinion in fact, not what you think it will sound like, and do it kindly.

I wouldn't expect to here I Got a Feeling, Took My Place, or Consuming Fire ever again which is disappointing because I probably named three of my favorite 3D songs of all-time.
On the contrary, I've heard both "I Got a Feeling" (I think at all 7 shows) and "Took My Place" live this year. They stopped playing "Consuming Fire" last year well before Brad left. I think it was more a matter of, "How many different ways can we play this song?"

I agree about adding another guitar player. I love the dual guitar thing. In fact, why not add a couple of guitar players and have a triple threat?

Why not add a string section and a full choir while we're at it? *wink* LOL (Sorry, just popped into my head.)

I think when they go back in the studio in a year or two they'll probably be forced to add another guitar player. It's hard to pull off the one guitar thing unless you're a hard rock band.

I have to strongly disagree with you here. First of all, if they want more guitar parts in the studio, all they have to do is record Mark doing more. The magic of technology! Secondly, there are many, many, MANY rock bands of all types with only four members. (Anyone ever heard of Led Zepplin, The Beatles, Van Halen, Queen, The Who, or Kiss? ZZ Top, Rush, Nirvana, Chevelle, Blink-182, and Cream only had/have three members.)

Either way, Mark is an underrated guitar player. You are so right!

And I agree that the guys wouldn't want us idolizing them and thinking they can do no wrong. A little constructive criticism can go a long way. "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid." Proverbs 12:1

Not that Third Day needs discipline, but just showing that taking some of the constructive criticism into consideration could be good for the band as a whole.

Speculating on whether or not Third Day needs to replace Brad isn't really constructive criticism. It's kinda telling them how to run their band. Contructive criticism would be, "If I were Third Day, I'd play that song more like this." or "Have they considered having that song without the choir?" or "It would be good to have such and such on WIRED."

I don't see any problem with discussing whether or not, in your opinion, you think they need to have an additional guitarist after you've see them live and can make such a judgement. Some of you are discussing a hypothectical situation here, because you haven't seen the fruit you are judging. You can't say whether or not Mark, Mac, Tai, David, and Scotty are performing up to your expectation if you haven't seen them.

well they played em live back in march at the decatur alabama show...otherside, call my name(i think), this is who i am and revelation...mac has picked up more on guitar and mark is just amazing and it blows me away to hear that guy play...tai is still the best bassist ever and david carr can sure play drums....don't worry...our guys rock!

Amen!!!

[Gandalf]

Mac plays guitar, too. Mac and Mark. That's two guitarists.
That's exactly what I was about to point out.

[Light Hearted]

Mac plays guitar, too. Mac and Mark. That's two guitarists.
Careful mama. I made this comment in another thread and was informed I know nothing about guitars despite the fact that I've played for several years now.

[webo]

I know that Third Day will do whatever is best for Third Day, whatever they feel the Lord is leading them to do. And how can I dispute what the Lord has led them to do?

Speculating on whether or not Third Day needs to replace Brad isn't really constructive criticism.



First, I'm not speculating on whether they "need" to replace Brad. I didn't even give a view either way. Second, I only asked for other people's opinions on whether they would like to see a replacement or perhaps would see any replacement as disrupting the chemistry of the band. Not only is that not "constructive criticism," it's not criticism at all. I doubt that there is a band in the world that could be as successful as Third Day, been around as long as Third Day, lose a member, and not expect its loyal fans to discuss the future. I'm not "disputing what the Lord has led them to do," nor do I sense that anyone else is. The band members have beautiful hearts, and I'm sure they don't do ANYTHING without the Lord's guidance. They might add another guitarist in a few years. Who knows?


Please have a point of reference on which to base that opinion, such as "When I saw them play without Brad . . . "


Well, I can't afford to travel the country. I'd love to, but it's just not economically possible. I have trouble just putting together $70-$80 for my son and I to see them once a year. But you can be sure I will see them in Houston. And I'll be glad to offer up my point of reference after that show. I doubt that I will be disappointed in the show. I've never come away disappointed. And when they play "I've Always Loved You," there's a good chance that the tears will be flowing down my cheeks, and I will think back to the time just after I accepted Christ in 1999, and that song brought me straight to the throne in gratitude. There is no other song that has affected me quite like that, and no other band that has affected me quite like that.

[Corrine]

Second, I only asked for other people's opinions on whether they would like to see a replacement or perhaps would see any replacement as disrupting the chemistry of the band. Not only is that not "constructive criticism," it's not criticism at all.

I wasn't talking to you. This is where constructive criticism was mentioned.
A little constructive criticism can go a long way. "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid." Proverbs 12:1

Not that Third Day needs discipline, but just showing that taking some of the constructive criticism into consideration could be good for the band as a whole.

I'm not "disputing what the Lord has led them to do," nor do I sense that anyone else is.

I didn't say you were disputing it. I said I couldn't. I was only talking about myself.

[Corrine]

I'm just saying that this thread is like someone making a beautiful dinner for friends. The cook mentions that she made the recipe everyone loves, but that she made a few changes, worked hard to make the recipe healthier for them. She believes that these changes will make the meal better than ever, and she's excited to see how her friends will like it. She's anxiously anticipating their "Ooo's" and "Ahhh's" when they taste it, hoping that they will love it. But the friends stand around just looking at the food, discussing whether it will taste as good, airing their doubts, "It was already so good, it can't possibly be as good as it was before. She needs to go back to the old way of cooking it." The cook is understandably disheartened. If they would taste it first, and then say they didn't like it, that would be one thing. Then she could make changes the next time she made it. But they are not giving it a chance before passing judgement. How frustrating, how sad for the cook.

[sandyandporter]

Good analogy Corrine. Like I said, I'm not saying any more till I hear it live. :D

[TN3Dmom]

I'm just saying that this thread is like someone making a beautiful dinner for friends. The cook mentions that she made the recipe everyone loves, but that she made a few changes, worked hard to make the recipe healthier for them. She believes that these changes will make the meal better than ever, and she's excited to see how her friends will like it. She's anxiously anticipating their "Ooo's" and "Ahhh's" when they taste it, hoping that they will love it. But the friends stand around just looking at the food, discussing whether it will taste as good, airing their doubts, "It was already so good, it can't possibly be as good as it was before. She needs to go back to the old way of cooking it." The cook is understandably disheartened. If they would taste it first, and then say they didn't like it, that would be one thing. Then she could make changes the next time she made it. But they are not giving it a change before passing judgement. How frustrating, how sad for the cook.

I love this analogy. Whatever was on the menu at the wildhorse show--I'd have that every day of the week, and not get tired of it.

[Debbie]

Spoken like a true cook!

[Corrine]

I love this analogy. Whatever was on the menu at the wildhorse show--I'd have that every day of the week, and not get tired of it.
AMEN! Me too!!!
Spoken like a true cook!

I can't tell you how many days I've spent hours preparing a dinner I was proud of, only to have my kids look at it and say, "Eww! Yuck! I'm not eating that." They break my heart into tiny pieces on the floor, and then stomp on it. I don't think kids realize how much they are hurting you when they do that, or at least I hope they don't realize it. LOL

[sandyandporter]

They break my heart into tiny pieces on the floor, and then stomp on it. I don't think kids realize how much they are hurting you when they do that, or at least I hope they don't realize it. LOL

You know I didn't mean anything like that at all when I started this stupid thread (which I now regret). I love these guys!

[caninemom]

Though I have never had the privilege of seeing Third Day live, I KNOW they will perform cuts from Revelation in the same awesome manner they always perform everything !!!!!! GO THIRD DAY !!!!!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING !!!!

[clemsontigers23]

Whoa, hold on a second. I wasn't degrading the band members in any way, but most of the time when a band loses a key member, the band finds a new member to take his place. Kutless has done it on nearly every album they've released with multiple changes and the chemisty of the band is fine.

I'm simply saying there won't be any more dual guitar solos and until I see Mac rip a Brad-like solo I'm going to assume it's not going to happen. I know they play I Got a Feeling but they've added a lot more keys to the song and I personally preferred the dual guitar solos. Just because I express any displeasure at something happening right now doesn't mean I don't support the band. I'm just saying I'd rather them have two lead guitarists instead of the way it is now.

You mention ZZ Top but both of the guys play guitar. Led Zeppelin is different because their songs were largely based on bluesy guitar riffs. Third Day doesn't do that, it's not their style. They play two different styles of music.

Look, I'm just saying I would prefer for them to have two lead guitarists, three if you count Mac playing acoustic or rhythm guitar at times. I'm not saying they're worse, I'm not saying Mac is a terrible guitar player, and I'm not saying Mark isn't doing a good job. I'm just expressing an opinion.

[Howlin' Wolf]

the de-evolution of third day.

its been tough to listen to.

[Corrine]

the de-evolution of third day.

its been tough to listen to.

Have you listened to the new CD?

[Howlin' Wolf]

Have you listened to the new CD?

i listened to the sound clips. the days of southern rock have been long gone though. now with brad avery out of the mix, there is little hope that it will ever come back.

[Corrine]

i listened to the sound clips. the days of southern rock have been long gone though. now with brad avery out of the mix, there is little hope that it will ever come back.

But Brad was the least southern of them all, both in birth and in playing.

[sandyandporter]

i listened to the sound clips. the days of southern rock have been long gone though. now with brad avery out of the mix, there is little hope that it will ever come back.

I don't know what you call southern rock then. This cd is SO southern rock. Slow Down ROCKS in a HUGE way as does Other Side. This cd is amazing.

[Howlin' Wolf]

I don't know what you call southern rock then. This cd is SO southern rock. Slow Down ROCKS in a HUGE way as does Other Side. This cd is amazing.

i call the self titled and Time southern rock

[sandyandporter]

i call the self titled and Time southern rock

Time's good but it doesn't touch Revelation. But then now that I've seen your desperation for a woman... I can understand why your ears aren't working so well.

[Jason]

Time's good but it doesn't touch Revelation. But then now that I've seen your desperation for a woman... I can understand why your ears aren't working so well.

I like Revelation but I agree with Jason on Time and Bus.

[clemsontigers23]

Time's good but it doesn't touch Revelation. But then now that I've seen your desperation for a woman... I can understand why your ears aren't working so well.

What? Wow, that was a little harsh don't you think?

Anyway, Brad is playing guitar on Revelation so the new album is irrelevant when you're talking about whether or not Third Day sounds different. I love the new album, though, and everyone here knows that.

[Howlin' Wolf]

What? Wow, that was a little harsh don't you think?

.

that was waaaaayyy harsh. i call foul!!

[Corrine]

What? Wow, that was a little harsh don't you think?


that was waaaaayyy harsh. i call foul!!

It's a joke from another thread.

[clemsontigers23]

It's a joke from another thread.

yeah, i just now saw that haha funny stuff.

[sandyandporter]

yeah, i just now saw that haha funny stuff.

I guess that would seem harsh if you hadn't been to the other thread. I apologize for shocking you! I felt like bleeding it over here.

[clemsontigers23]

I guess that would seem harsh if you hadn't been to the other thread. I apologize for shocking you! I felt like bleeding it over here.

yeah haha.

[Jake]

Some day people will realize that it is not a crime to be concerned about something related to the band. It may be ok to even *gasp* not like it!

[rocker]

I just saw them on May 2nd, and they played some stuff from Revelation with just Mark and Mac playing guitar and it seemed good to me. What I mean is the show was awesome!

[Corrine]

Some day people will realize that it is not a crime to be concerned about something related to the band. It may be ok to even *gasp* not like it!

People can not like it all they want, but give it a chance before you air your concerns. Don't get people all stirred up over your speculations. (Sorry sandyandporter. I know you started this thread with good intentions.)

[sandyandporter]

People can not like it all they want, but give it a chance before you air your concerns. Don't get people all stirred up over your speculations. (Sorry sandyandporter. I know you started this thread with good intentions.)

*goes to "time out" willingly*

[Corrine]

*goes to "time out" willingly*

;-)

[Andi]

;-)


It's seems barbaric to have to use the old ways of producing a smilie! lol

<:-)[===]<

[Corrine]

They are fixed now! :D

[The Unknown Gomer]

Some day people will realize that it is not a crime to be concerned about something related to the band. It may be ok to even *gasp* not like it!

People can not like it all they want, but give it a chance before you air your concerns. Don't get people all stirred up over your speculations.

I have to agree with Jake on this. But there are varying degrees.

So far as people getting stirred up by speculation, it's all in how you word it, IMHO.

I mean, I can see why you wouldn't want someone to say "Aw, man, the live show is SO going to suck without Brad on guitar!" that's just rude and argumentative, although I'd have to side with their right to have an opinion and be allowed to speak it. Some folks don't have a gift of gab and maybe that's the only way they can think of to express what they're thinking. But wording it like that is just asking for people to get riled up over it.

But I really don't see the harm in someone posting something along the lines of "Gee, these songs were written for 3 guitars, I wonder how that's going to work playing live when they've only got two guitarists now." Nobody is saying it's going to be BAD, they're just expressing concern over how they're going to pull it off in a live setting, which is a perfectly legitimate question, and one that really should give nobody cause to get stirred up over it. It actually gives people who have seen some of the new songs performed live already the opportunity to say "hey, this is how they did them at THIS show, and it worked out great!"

From speculation can come reassurance. :)

I'm personally very glad that people have asked that question and other similar ones, and had it answered here on the boards. As a result, I'm not concerned at all about how 3D is going to pull of the live show, based on what I've heard, they'll do a mighty fine job of it. :cool:

[SirMax]

Well I've seen them play some of the songs already...I'm not a great person to evaluate this guitar from that but I know what I like...my face was ROCKED OFF (still trying to find it)....Mac, Mark, Tai, David and Scotty are professionals...I do believe you will get your money's worth at the shows. Or just don't buy a ticket and then I will have a better chance of getting good seats at the shows I plan to attend:P

[The Unknown Gomer]

...my face was ROCKED OFF (still trying to find it).....

:P Makes for an interesting mental picture, you walking around without a face. LOL.

[sandyandporter]

I've decided to close discussion in this thread.