Church of Oprah?

[wannabaRSgirl]

Someone sent me a link to this YouTube designed to raise awareness about the Church of Oprah. At first, I thought is was corny and hokey propaganda to turn people against Oprah. I mean, I would never go to her for advice, but this is pretty scary. Is it for real?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA

[middletree]

Yes. We have had threads here on her endorsement of "The Course in Miracles".

[ExtravagantlyLoved]

Seeing and hearing stuff like this makes me very sad.

[middletree]

Wow. I just viewed the video, and I must say, it's a remarkable clip. Hearing those words come out of her mouth is pretty creepy.

At one point, when she talks about there being many ways to God, one person in the audience protests: "What about Jesus?" and Oprah answers: "What about Jesus?" Of course, you have to hear it to get the tone in her voice.

It amazes me how anyone could say that Jesus is sent by God but He's not the only way. Like Jesus is going to go through all that suffering just to give everyone one more way to God.

[Evanescence]

new age crap....I can't stand her endorcements....its an abuse of her stardom

[WeaselInYerFoot]

You know what annoys me? It's how some people are completely convinced that their ideas of the universe are new. That Christianity is old and archaic, but this whole idea of "having your own truth" or that "there's no such thing as one truth" is brand new and a product of today's genius and open minds! No. It's not new. Pilate himself asked Christ "what is truth?" The Proverbs warn about the very mindset Oprah has. No, Christianity is not old and archaic. This philosophy that is carried today, coined post-modernism has been around longer than Christianity.

The more I live, the more I am convinced that history is one of the most essential fields in anyone's life.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

I would give anything to watch a conversation between her and Ravi Zacharias.

[maui sista]

Very sad...I would NOT want to stand before God in Oprahs shoes...

[maui sista]

Wake UP and smell the TRUTH!!!!

I can almost hear the sound of 100 million angels singing!!!

[maui sista]

new age crap....I can't stand her endorcements....its an abuse of her stardom

Birds of a feather flock together....OBAMA :(

[Yippy]

I would give anything to watch a conversation between her and Ravi Zacharias.
I would LOVE that!

[wannabaRSgirl]

At one point, when she talks about there being many ways to God, one person in the audience protests: "What about Jesus?" and Oprah answers: "What about Jesus?" Of course, you have to hear it to get the tone in her voice.

It amazes me how anyone could say that Jesus is sent by God but He's not the only way. Like Jesus is going to go through all that suffering just to give everyone one more way to God.

She was pretty much talking down to her audience member for even suggesting such a thing. Blessings to the woman who spoke up for her beliefs!

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Wow! I have now lost every single thread of respect I ever had for Oprah. She angers me. And Earkheart's worse. :mad: :mad: :mad:

And I quote:

"God is feeling experience, not a believing experience."

Er...No. This is New Age religion running rampant. Whatever's good for you. :rolleyes: The Bible makes it very clear that Christianity is about believing, not a wishy-washy, it-makes-me-feel-good feeling. So many people today are gulliable enough to fall for this no accountability crap that's seems to be running riot in the modern world. Paul would be turning over in his grave!

And again:

"God is jealous of me."

Again, Oprah shows she has very little understanding of the theological teachings of the Christian Church. God is not jealous of me, he is jealous for me. There's a big difference. It's amazing, she shows a complete ignorance of the fact that when the Bible talks about God being all-knowing and all-powerful and then talks about God being a jealous God it is not in any way talking about jealousy in the sense that I am jealous when I see someone driving a Ferrari and I want it. It's not a sinful, self-focused 'jealousy' like we are so good at having. God is jealous for our hearts; for us. Why? Again, the Bible has the answer. God created us for relationship with him and we told him to get stuffed. Like a father with a lost son, he longingly calls us back. If she had bothered to check that out, she would have known that.

We should pray for her.

[pamcharlie]

I agree we should pray for oprah especially for her salvation she does come across very confused regarding God, let's pray that Jesus will reveal himself to her as the true son of God . Who died on the cross for her . it does seem that oprah is very into the new age movement. it is very seriously worrying .

[Aussie3rddayfan]

I agree we should pray for oprah especially for her salvation she does come across very confused regarding God, let's pray that Jesus will reveal himself to her as the true son of God . Who died on the cross for her . it does seem that oprah is very into the new age movement. it is very seriously worrying .

The problem is that she was brought up in the Baptist Church, heard the Word God preached many times.....and then walked away. She does not understand what the love of God can mean in her life.

[cheewiee]

I agree we should pray for oprah especially for her salvation she does come across very confused regarding God, let's pray that Jesus will reveal himself to her as the true son of God . Who died on the cross for her . it does seem that oprah is very into the new age movement. it is very seriously worrying .

She doesn't seem confused, she actually seems pretty certain, that what she believes is truth.

The scary part of this, is not even the new age aspects of the spirituality, but the humanistic side of what she is saying. Man's goodness, not God's grace is the source of salvation. Why this is scary to me, is that the new agey spiritual side of this is more of an obvious thing, the man's goodness thing is far more subtle, and at the root, is the fundamental teaching of the American Patriotic Christian Religion.

[middletree]

I don't see a separation between humanism and New Age. Both teach that we are God.

[wannabaRSgirl]

"God is jealous of me."

Again, Oprah shows she has very little understanding of the theological teachings of the Christian Church. God is not jealous of me, he is jealous for me. There's a big difference. It's amazing, she shows a complete ignorance of the fact that when the Bible talks about God being all-knowing and all-powerful and then talks about God being a jealous God it is not in any way talking about jealousy in the sense that I am jealous when I see someone driving a Ferrari and I want it. It's not a sinful, self-focused 'jealousy' like we are so good at having. God is jealous for our hearts; for us. Why? Again, the Bible has the answer. God created us for relationship with him and we told him to get stuffed. Like a father with a lost son, he longingly calls us back. If she had bothered to check that out, she would have known that.

We should pray for her.

I picked up on that jealousy thing too.

My step-mom who grew up Methodist is on this whole kick too, not because of Oprah, but on her own. It is scary some of the things that have come from her mouth, and it is spreading to my dad.

[cheewiee]

I don't see a separation between humanism and New Age. Both teach that we are God.

New Age is certainly a spiritual form of Humanism, but there are secular forms of humanism as well, that would quickly dismiss the spiritual mumbojumbo of New Age.

[DareDevil]

Humanism is not such a bad thing in and of itself, because it stands for a lot of values that are not in contradiction to our faith, imho. It expects us to question ourselves, our values and all those things of which we are so sure of. This includes the possibility of us question God of course, but is this really such a bad thing? People can show their true colors in matters faith which drastically reduces the number of people who just go to church simply because they would be persecuted, if they did not. I mean, just imagine if Oprah was still a member of her old church and if she was carrying her current believes in her heart without openly saying so! Seriously, would you REALLY prefer THAT???? Now you know at least with whom you are dealing with.

Anyway, I suppose it is clear that I do not think that humanism made mankind any worse, but I do think that it encourages people to pick a side and that in every aspect of human life, matters of faith included.

[middletree]

Actually, that's not correct. Humanism by definition rejects all religion.

From their own words:
http://www.americanhumanist.org/humanism/humanismdefinitions.php
"Humanism maintains there is no evidence a supernatural power ever needed or wanted anything from people, ever communicated to them,"

From http://www.americanhumanist.org/humanism/famous.php
"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously."

"Humanism, in all its simplicity, is the only genuine spirituality."

[DareDevil]

Humanism as such is not about religion at all, but is secular down to the core. Still, this does not exclude the possibility that a humanist can be a Christian too. Just think of Kant for instance. On the one hand he argued that it is not possible to proof God's existence with the help of logic, but on the other hand he was still a believer after all.

"Im praktischen Glauben an diesen Sohn Gottes, die personifizierte Idee des guten Prinzips, also in der Nachfolge dieses Urbilds, kann der Mensch dann hoffen Gott wohlgefällig zu werden und die Glückseligkeit zu erreichen."

http://books.google.de/books?id=YY7sTPss20gC&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=%22Im+praktischen+Glau ben%22,+Kant&source=web&ots=2_UGmcV4sO&sig=R38OLDeu7vSIhtVCtT4cR pu5oEA&hl=de

"In applied faith in this son of God, the personified idea of the "good principle", i.e. in succession of this archetype, man can hope to become complacent in God's eyes and to reach happiness."

-Immanuel Kant-





Anyway, personally I think that those "humanists" who argue that a humanist must be an atheist by definition do not know what they are saying. This does not negate the possibility that this opinion may be wide spread, of course, but it is definitely not as representative as these atheists would like it to be.

[middletree]

Dude, I just gave you definitions from the Humanist society.

[DareDevil]

And this means that they are automatically right?

[Yippy]

The problem is that she was brought up in the Baptist Church, heard the Word God preached many times.....and then walked away. She does not understand what the love of God can mean in her life.

Maybe she walked away from the Baptist church. I've heard the Word preached many times in many churches (Baptist, AofG, non-denom, etc.) where there wasn't a lick of love. I think "the church" has failed a lot of people...done a good job preaching and a horrible job taking care of people.

I think a lot of Oprah's problem is power. She's surrounded by yes people and lives a life of delusion that the masses seem to encourage when it comes to celebrity. I feel horribly sorry for her and the people who follow her. There is a way which seems right to a man but the end is death...

[Aussie3rddayfan]

Maybe she walked away from the Baptist church. I've heard the Word preached many times in many churches (Baptist, AofG, non-denom, etc.) where there wasn't a lick of love. I think "the church" has failed a lot of people...done a good job preaching and a horrible job taking care of people.

Yes indeed, there are many, many churches out there who are not loving to the lost (or to their own), and also many others who teach unscriptual beliefs. My point was that she has been immersed in the church for many years; she has seen and heard it all, and then turned her back on God because she misunderstands - or doesn't want to understand - the truth of God's Word.


I think a lot of Oprah's problem is power. She's surrounded by yes people and lives a life of delusion that the masses seem to encourage when it comes to celebrity. I feel horribly sorry for her and the people who follow her. There is a way which seems right to a man but the end is death...

Yep.

God has planted eternity in the hearts of man. I have always liked the illustration of the God-shaped hole in every man's heart. Many try to to fill it with things like money, friends, pleasure or power. And these are but a few. Everybody desires something more. They sense there is something 'more' to life. And on the surface Oprah's 'religion' seems to have fairly good deal going for sinful, fallen man. No accountability! Man, do those Christians have it wrong! :rolleyes: It's a religion that makes you feel good; it's good for you. It feels right. It's a way to 'feel' religious. But it is a religion without accountability to anyone except yourself. You can do whatever is good for you. Instead of filling that God-shaped hole with God, which, of course, is the only way to find true meaning and purpose and direction in life, people who follow New Age religions do whatever is good for them. And it sickens me. :( :( :(

[Kasie_89]

I was watching a special on Oprah yesterday and was amazed at how she overcome her past to become what she is today.
Now I am just sick at my stomach.
Just think - she has become an false example for so many, and she is using her power to lead peole away from God. :(

[middletree]

Maybe she walked away from the Baptist church. I've heard the Word preached many times in many churches (Baptist, AofG, non-denom, etc.) where there wasn't a lick of love. I think "the church" has failed a lot of people...done a good job preaching and a horrible job taking care of people.

If you watch the video, she explains exactly why she left Christianity: she heard some preaching which quoted the bible directly, and didn't agree with what the bible said about God being a jealous God.

[Jake]

Wow...I didn't think it was possible, but I like her even LESS now

My future mother in law takes these online classes now...I'm going to ask her about some of this stuff. She doesn't like me too much as it is, so I'm totally fine with making her a little angrier lol

[mcgreen311]

Dude, I just gave you definitions from the Humanist society.

And this means that they are automatically right?

There are a few different ideas of humanism. DareDevil seems to be referring to the late medieval sort of humanism which would allow for a belief in God. (I know you mentioned Kant, but this is my frame of reference).

On the topic of the video, I don't know how one can definitively say there can't be only one way.

[sandyandporter]

I couldn't even finish watching the clip. She really thinks alot of herself doesn't she? :rolleyes:

[middletree]

I couldn't even finish watching the clip. She really thinks alot of herself doesn't she? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah. Putting her theology aside, she's very full of herself. She is always the center of attention in every room. She holds a ball every year where everyone has to dress in black and white, but she wears red.

[cheewiee]

There are a few different ideas of humanism. DareDevil seems to be referring to the late medieval sort of humanism which would allow for a belief in God. (I know you mentioned Kant, but this is my frame of reference).

On the topic of the video, I don't know how one can definitively say there can't be only one way.

From Dictionary.com

1. any system or mode of thought or action in which human interests, values, and dignity predominate.
2. devotion to or study of the humanities.
3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the studies, principles, or culture of the humanists.
4. Philosophy. a variety of ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world and often rejects the importance of belief in God.

[maui sista]

This video makes me so mad!

Yes I do believe we need to pray for her but I DO NOT feel sorry for her at all..I do however feel very sorry for the millions of people who are being led astray by her lies and false teachings..I think she abuses the power of money and the Bible clearly states:

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Does anyone remember John Lennons quote "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first — rock and roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."

After saying that quote he was murdered in Dec 8, 1980.

All I am saying is that God is a wonderful just God but also does not have a problem "taking out" false teacher who are leading his sheep astray.

Oprah knows what she is doing and I don't view her as much different then other "leaders" who lead people right to hell, i.e Hitler and Marshall Applewhite..the list goes on.


Passage Nahum 1:2-8:

The Lord 's Anger Against Nineveh
2 The LORD is a jealous and avenging God;
the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath.
The LORD takes vengeance on his foes
and maintains his wrath against his enemies.

I will pray for the millions of people(young women) who are being deceived by her right now...may God quiet her and Eckharts mouths.

Sonja

[middletree]

From Dictionary.com

Sorry, but I'm going to go with the definition provided by actual humanists over a dictionary.

[Yippy]

If you watch the video, she explains exactly why she left Christianity: she heard some preaching which quoted the bible directly, and didn't agree with what the bible said about God being a jealous God.

Wow. I bet it was little more complicated than that, whether she knows it or not. Well, I really don't have any interest in watching the video. I was just offering the perspective that people can grow up in the "church" and not hear the Good News, etc. I would venture to say that her leaving Christianity had a bit to do with something more than her not agreeing with what the Bible said about God being a jealous God. She seems to have filled herself up with herself and has everyone affirming her 24-7. It's so deceiving. When you're worshipped, you start believing it all. Man was never made to be worshipped. Thankfully, Thus Saith Oprah doesn't change the Almighty God and His omniscience, omnipresence, & omnimpotence. Every knee shall bow; Oprah will have her day. But God's hand is not to short that he cannot reach her. So, maybe some day she'll have eyes to see and ears to hear & understand that God is God & Jesus is the Way, the Truth & the Life.

[middletree]

I think we're all in agreement that Oprah herself will find out the truth in this life or the next. The concern is that she is so darn influential.

[SueQ]

I would give anything to watch a conversation between her and Ravi Zacharias.

Amen!

[SueQ]

I think we're all in agreement that Oprah herself will find out the truth in this life or the next. The concern is that she is so darn influential.

Ditto!

[SueQ]

T
Does anyone remember John Lennons quote "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first — rock and roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."

After saying that quote he was murdered in Dec 8, 1980.





Actually he made that quote in the middle 60's and was murdered 15 years later...but still....

[SueQ]

I've said before that Obama would be a good candidate to start a One World Religion.....who could support that better than Oprah?

[phil_ur_friend]

Deuteronomy 8:11 Be careful that you do not forget the LORD your God, failing to observe his commands, his laws and his decrees that I am giving you this day. 12 Otherwise, when you eat and are satisfied, when you build fine houses and settle down, 13 and when your herds and flocks grow large and your silver and gold increase and all you have is multiplied, 14 then your heart will become proud and you will forget the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 15 He led you through the vast and dreadful desert, that thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes and scorpions. He brought you water out of hard rock. 16 He gave you manna to eat in the desert, something your fathers had never known, to humble and to test you so that in the end it might go well with you. 17 You may say to yourself, "My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me." 18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

19 If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. 20 Like the nations the LORD destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD your God.

New International Version (NIV)

Of course Oprah wasn't brought out of Egypt,...
It was actually the Ghetto...
But you get the point.

-Phil, your friend

[poohladygomer]

I have been hearing a lot of this kind of thing about her and it is really scary and sad. Sad in that she missed so much growing up in a church, as I didn't, and scary in that she has the influence to lead so many to the wrong path. I wish that someone could open her eyes. There is only one way. Tim Lahaye addresses this in some of his books.

[Evanescence]

She was talking yesterday about how she's a Christian....the show was on Spirituality- How to be a complete person...

Or soemthing like that. I didn't catch it...don't watch her much, but she had a disclaimer before hand, stating that this show and idea wasn't a new religion. It was a way to bring out your spirituality to enhance your religious ideas/beliefs. What i did see, she talked a LOT about Christ and his teachings...

[PROMISED LAND]

all I can say is "wow".....it is very scary of how much influence she has with people.....they believe if oprah says it, it must be true.....very sad indeed.....God bless....

[prayercloth sis]

Someone just sent that clip to me in an email....and well...I pray God has mercy on her soul....and she comes out of the deceiving spirit that has engulfed her....

It almost sounds as if she has sold out for materialistic values...over the truth...because at one point many years ago...she did believe in the Lord...

Mom always said the people you hang around will be watch you turn out like...


and I believe that now that I am older...

I thank God for Godly counsel and Christians friends...


God Bless you all
Rhonie
Wow. I just viewed the video, and I must say, it's a remarkable clip. Hearing those words come out of her mouth is pretty creepy.

At one point, when she talks about there being many ways to God, one person in the audience protests: "What about Jesus?" and Oprah answers: "What about Jesus?" Of course, you have to hear it to get the tone in her voice.

It amazes me how anyone could say that Jesus is sent by God but He's not the only way. Like Jesus is going to go through all that suffering just to give everyone one more way to God.

[Evanescence]

Good point SIS.....been a while since we had you here for a good ol 'fashion debate...how is BRIDGES?

Take care- E :cool: :cool: :cool:

[pamcharlie]

Sometimes Oprah can really confuse the truth, since alot of people can say that they are christian but being a christian means to have a relationship with jesus and acknowledge the fact that you are a sinner in need of a saviour and accept the life changing gift of salvation through jesus christ when he died on the cross and rose from the grave for you, so that you can spend eternity with God and Jesus in heaven. and be baptized in water and in the holy spirit and witness to others jesus's love etc and read the bible, attend church and serve jesus and pray etc.

[ausgirl]

Whatever Oprah personally believes is her concern - she's been taught the truth, if she chooses to believe otherwise - well her eternity is in her hands. What concerns me though, is the influence that her fame and fortune gives her and how this allows her to mislead so many.

[SueQ]

She was talking yesterday about how she's a Christian....the show was on Spirituality- How to be a complete person...

Or soemthing like that. I didn't catch it...don't watch her much, but she had a disclaimer before hand, stating that this show and idea wasn't a new religion. It was a way to bring out your spirituality to enhance your religious ideas/beliefs. What i did see, she talked a LOT about Christ and his teachings...

Well, my Jewish friends can talk a lot about His teachings but it doesn't make them Christian.....

[sandyandporter]

Is Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?
Thursday , April 17, 2008

By Roger Friedman


ADVERTISEMENTOprah Winfrey may have gone too far in exploiting and distributing the teachings of a questionable New Age writer.

On Monday night this week, Winfrey conducted her weekly web “event” seminar with new age writer Eckhart Tolle. His message: “Life is the dancer and you are the dance.”

Got that?

The seminar was number 7 in a series of 10. On the first 90 minute webcast with Tolle, Oprah extolled the new age author’s virtues, calling his best selling “New Earth” book “one of the most important books of our time,” the seminars one of “the most exciting things I’ve ever done.”

Imagine that Winfrey considers her conversations with Tolle, a man with a shady and un-checkable background, more important than her schools in Africa and Mississippi for underprivileged children, more important than her Angel Charity network, or her zillion dollar syndicated TV show. Tolle must be something else!

But it’s not like Winfrey is endorsing Maya Angelou or Toni Morrison, serious educated artists with portfolios. Tolle is more like Kilgore Trout, Kurt Vonnegut’s science fiction crack pot alter ego.

And what’s different about the Tolle connection for Winfrey is that for the first in her much applauded Book Club’s history, she’s literally gone into business with the author. And the author is not one of a novel, memoir, or cookbook; he’s the mysterious creator of a philosophy that Winfrey endorses and suggests her readers live their lives by.

But is Eckhart Tolle an appropriate spiritual leader? He told an interviewer that he stopped going to school at age 13 and didn’t resume any education for at least a decade. In the same interview he says he graduated “with the highest mark at the London University.”

The press rep at the University of London says there’s simply no way to verify that. “You might as well say you graduated from here,” joked the person I spoke to. Clever.

He says in interviews that he had a personal epiphany in 1977 at age 29 after a life of suffering from suicidal depression. For the next 15 years, no one knows much about what happened to him, and he’s not saying. He says he spent time wandering and sitting in London’s parks, with “no relationships, no job, no home, no socially defined identity,” but a sense of “intense joy.”

In seminar 1, Oprah’s new guru tells her: “I was living in England, and I had this strong impulse one morning … I had to move to the west coast of North America without knowing why… So I moved to Vancouver and then I took a Greyhound bus to California, knew only one or two people, and I said, “Why am I here?”

“Three weeks passed, somebody put me up in a room near San Francisco, and suddenly this came. I bought a notepad and suddenly the strong stream came through and I wrote, “What is Enlightenment?” The beginning of “The Power of Now.” The moment I wrote that, I knew this is the book that wants to be born. So rather than me wanting to write a book, there was a book that wanted to be written.”

And so on.

Oprah’s response to this: “It’s like Michelangelo says the angel’s in the marble and he just cuts away the marble.”

Well not quite.

His books, “The Power of Now” and “A New Earth,” are the same gobbledygook as most New Age stuff. They’re all about self-empowering, and how to find out who we are. “Awakening” is Tolle’s key word. Tolle is very busy enforcing moments of silence and showing his readers how to find their “pain-body.”

Nothing new there. And nothing new for Oprah, who’s now so wildly wealthy that she’s exceeded literally any famous person she might interview. Parade magazine puts her 2007 income at $260 million, the most of any celebrity and $150 million more than Steven Spielberg, the most successful filmmaker of all time. So what can she do besides anoint presidential candidates or start a religion?

Indeed, Winfrey has already flirted with several cult-like New Age deals. She’s enthusiastically embraced the Scientology celebrities like Tom Cruise and John Travolta. She’s even gone into business with Kirstie Alley, whom she’s planning to give a forum in her own talk show. She’s also promoted televangelist Marianne Williamson’s kooky “Course of Miracles” and a book of new age clichés by Australian Rhonda Byrne called “The Secret.” (There’s a good piece on the latter at salon.com)

Winfrey is nothing if not gifted at recognizing what’s already popular in the culture and exploiting it. But her association with Tolle is way over the top. It involves sponsorships with General Motors (Chevy), 3M Corp. (Post-Its) and Skype internet phone service. In one broad stroke she’s managed to accomplish what Scientology has never achieved: bringing corporate America’s implicit approval into religion.

What’s interesting is not so much Tolle, with his German accent and blank stare, proselytizing his nonsense. He talks a lot, literally, about looking at flowers and trees in a new way, much like Chauncey Gardner in “Being There.”

It’s more about Oprah herself, free associating, selling out her own world as she gushes over those flowers and trees. For example, in segment 1, she socks it to Hollywood, the source of 50% of her guests. This is the same Oprah who does a live special the day after the Oscars and often plugs the crappiest films just to get ratings:

In seminar 1, Oprah seems to forget who she is in order to score points with Tolle, or rationalize why she’s involved in this beyond the corporate money being reaped:

“Everyone complains about the media and the movies. I mean, if you just look at the Academy Awards this year, and the kinds of movies that were made this year, and it’s all a reflection of who we are. You say in the book,” Winfrey says to Tolle in seminar 1, “that we’re the species that will go and watch people be maimed and killed and murdered for our entertainment.”

We can assume she wasn’t talking about Juno, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, The Savages, Enchanted, Atonement, Juno, La Vie En Rose, Michael Clayton, Elizabeth: The Golden Age, Into the Wild, Away from Her, or Charlie Wilson’s War — all films that had nominations. Just three films featured overt violence this year — No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, and Sweeney Todd.

But it’s the zealous excitement in Winfrey’s eyes when she says it that makes the difference. Those three films are now the whole Academy Awards, and therefore “the media.” You can already feel hearts pounding! She’s right! Hollywood had better look at flowers and trees in a new way.

What makes Oprah’s seminars ever so more creepy are the “study groups” she has lined up for Tolle at bookstores and other locations around the world. They’re all hooked up to the seminars through Skype, and the members can ask questions. They all have that same glazed over look as people giving testimonials on late night infomercials.

“I consider this to be a sacred moment when we can all come together…and share in this work,” Winfrey says at the start of seminar 6. And why not? You’ll notice that she, not Tolle, has the sole copyright on the broadcasts. Ka ching!

But don’t worry about Eckhart Tolle. His “power of now” is all about his store. All roads lead to his merchandise, which is prominently featured on his website and accessed from Oprah’s. His is a costly philosophy. Books, tapes, DVDs—all of it becomes quite expensive when added up, making Tolle no different than Scientology, Kabbalah, or any other shiny new religion. Tolle even sells teaching tools “for professionals” — “A Guide to for the Spiritual Teach and Health Practitioner” — even though it’s unclear what is the basis of his own educational background.

Are we supposed to take this seriously? As Tolle himself says to Oprah, “It’s better to laugh at madness.”
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Glad to see the mainstream media is at least drawing attention to the madness!

[ausgirl]

I think he may have brainwashed her!!

He says he spent time wandering and sitting in London’s parks, with “no relationships, no job, no home, no socially defined identity,” but a sense of “intense joy.”

If that qualifies you to be some sort of guru - there are literally millions of them around the world!
Here's guessing pot had something to do with it....

[Pouye]

She's lost it -- bought the lie of Satan. Stamp "Eve took the bait!" right on her forehead.

She thinks she's God! This is the old lie of the Serpent, and it is anti-Christ at its core. Who will dare to challenge the demonic spirit who now possesses Oprah Winfrey, especially considering the god of this age (all of the money she makes.)

Rock

[phil_ur_friend]

Oprah, look out!
The sky is falling!

Matthew 18:6
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Matthew 11:24
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[GoofyGomer08]

I just first heard about this in church yesterday. Because of that, me and my family didn't watch the season finale of her 'Big Give' Show.

My pastor talked a great deal of how we, as Christians, should not stoop down to this level and keep quiet about our true religion.

There is only one way people, if we would all come together and scream it louder than all of these other cults and religious sects, the world would be better off.

[wannabaRSgirl]

I am praying for Oprah!

[thirday]

Oprah has been on my "Do not trust" list since the beginning of her show, so this does not shock nor surprised me. Another person on that list since her beginning......Hillary Clinton:eek:

[GoofyGomer08]

^Ha! Thats funny!:D I've been telling jokes about her for months

From the Pennsylvania results it looks like were are in for a Democratic overtime.:rolleyes:

[cheewiee]

^Ha! Thats funny!:D I've been telling jokes about her for months

From the Pennsylvania results it looks like were are in for a Democratic overtime.:rolleyes:


Not yet... still a few more primaries that could convince Clinton to drop out between now and the Convention....

Overtime would be a bloodbath at the convention, that would ensure a McCain/Whoever Administration for the next four years.

[rossid]

We have NEVER watched the Big Give. Okay, or ER, Desperate Housewives, Lost Grey's Anatomy, on and on.

There was a survey, I think it was of watchers of a tabloid tv show, and I walked past it on tv Thursday. 97% of them did not believe Oprah was god. Was that it? If so, I wonder, do 3% think she is god or did they have no opinion?

[blacksheep]

Other people have already said that this is not new or shocking for her and I am simply agreeing with that. This is who she has been for who knows how long. I have thought of her as a cult leader for a long time, at least now she is being open about it. Large movements filled with new age mumbo jumbo tend to tire quickly after all the empty promises remain unfulfilled. We can pray that this is the case here.

[thirday]

Other people have already said that this is not new or shocking for her and I am simply agreeing with that. This is who she has been for who knows how long. I have thought of her as a cult leader for a long time, at least now she is being open about it. Large movements filled with new age mumbo jumbo tend to tire quickly after all the empty promises remain unfulfilled. We can pray that this is the case here.

I agree, but let's hope that she doesn't offer any purple kool-aid.

[cheewiee]

I agree, but let's hope that she doesn't offer any purple kool-aid.

It was Flavor Aid...

[Joseph]

bible cause this Fals Prophet or teaching

[thirday]

It was Flavor Aid...

I wasn't sure about the brand, but I knew it was purple. Thanks for the correction.

[GoofyGomer08]

You guys wanna know what is also scary about this, is the fact that they are selling the podcasts of these teachings on iTunes:eek:

She can offer me a million dollars, but I still will not follow her! My own treasure is in heaven!:cool:

[Jason]

We have NEVER watched the Big Give. Okay, or ER, Desperate Housewives, Lost Grey's Anatomy, on and on.



Boycotting ABC, D? (EFGH ...)

[Joseph]

that not scary part their people who will fall for this, and their condeming their souls.

we have to be on our A game now.

[rossid]

I am going to listen to the Wednesday night message my pastor gave last month.

This very brief clip is on FoxNews.com - http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=video landingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2282109&referralPlaylistId=playli st&maven_referrer=staf

[Gaudete]

Interesting! I'm glad people are finally starting to pay attention. I'm not sure it will do much good, though; Oprah has become a "product" and she's sold herself so thoroughly that she just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I just don't know if this whole issue will matter to her fans.

[Evanescence]

man who brought her dumb butt up again...down with Oprah !!!!!!!!!