Obama contends belief in Jesus Christ not necessary for salvation

[TJL]

I just received this email and thought that you all might find it interesting to say the least. I would like to hear the entire speech for complete confirmation of the article at hand, however. So if anyone knows how we can hear the completion of these clips, do share. Confirmation of what was said would be great.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=73553

Blessings,
Terri

[TJL]

Here is the entire speech from Obama. He does in fact say that no matter whether Jew or Muslim, if you are a person with "good morals" then you are a child of God. Faith in Jesus is not a requirement, as his mother being of a differing faith, he believes to be in heaven. The clips from my previous post only miss a tiny bit and the article seems to cover a lot.

Here is the speech, and the comment that he makes is about three-quarters of the way through:

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-03-26-0008.html

Blessings,
Terri

[Evanescence]

Well, we obviously can't have a President in this free country unless its a good, moral, born again Christian...now can we.

I mean, we have one now and look at all the good fruits we have seen over the past 7+ years...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[cheewiee]

Well, we obviously can't have a President in this free country unless its a good, moral, born again Christian...now can we.

I mean, we have one now and look at all the good fruits we have seen over the past 7+ years...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I think the question is, can someone who believes in salvation outside of Christ truly be a Christian? Terri wasn't questioning his ability to lead the nation, but questioning his previous remarks about his own faith, vs. the statements made in this video.

[TJL]

I think the question is, can someone who believes in salvation outside of Christ truly be a Christian? Terri wasn't questioning his ability to lead the nation, but questioning his previous remarks about his own faith, vs. the statements made in this video.

You are correct, but I am going to vote for Micky Mouse if you can get him on the ticket.

Blessings,
Terri

[Jason]

You are correct, but I am going to vote for Micky Mouse if you can get him on the ticket.

Blessings,
Terri

Just be sure you spell Mickey's name correctly when you write him in. :D

[TJL]

Just be sure you spell Mickey's name correctly when you write him in. :D

Lord have mercy! That is why it would have to be cheewiee placing him on the ticket and not me. Lord knows who we would get if I write him in.;)

Blessings,
Terri

[middletree]

I wonder, if a candidate believed that Jesus is the only way, and that candidate was known to have had a Muslim grandmother who's dead, would have answered the way you guys want him to answer: "No, I'm pretty sure my grandmother's roasting right about now."--I wonder how that would go over and how the press would lacerate him.

Don't get me wrong. I think Jesus promised us we might have to defend our faith in a tough situation; that's just part of being a Christian. But I imagine that Obama was in a no-win situation by even being asked that question. Well, not no win, exactly, but a very tough place to be in. I don't know if it's fair for us to judge his walk with Christ in our comfortable computer chairs while discussing a loaded question put to a man in a very sensitive position.

[TJL]

I wonder, if a candidate believed that Jesus is the only way, and that candidate was known to have had a Muslim grandmother who's dead, would have answered the way you guys want him to answer: "No, I'm pretty sure my grandmother's roasting right about now."--I wonder how that would go over and how the press would lacerate him.

Don't get me wrong. I think Jesus promised us we might have to defend our faith in a tough situation; that's just part of being a Christian. But I imagine that Obama was in a no-win situation by even being asked that question. Well, not no win, exactly, but a very tough place to be in. I don't know if it's fair for us to judge his walk with Christ in our comfortable computer chairs while discussing a loaded question put to a man in a very sensitive position.

He wasn't asked about what he believed in regards to Muslims and Jews, or his mother for that matter. I believe that the question was related to how he would incorperate his faith within the context of the White House, but you would have to hear the speech itself for the actual question at hand, but it didn't have anything to do with his thoughts on those of other faiths. He chose to say many things beyond the actual question at hand, including these two clips noted on the original post. So no, he was not placed in a difficult position. I can asure you, he did not even need to bring up that topic to answer the question at hand. Do listen to the entire speech if you don't believe what I am saying. It is on my second post.

Blessings,
Terri

[Evanescence]

I didn't see the Vid....and don't have time to. I think it depends EXACTLY what someone believes about Christ and salvation. Vague comments should not be taken as gospel from someone....esp if you can't debate or speak to them. This is what this appears to be...

One guy said we shouldn't vote for him cause his middle name is Hussein. Thats beyond laughable...

[TJL]

I didn't see the Vid....and don't have time to. I think it depends EXACTLY what someone believes about Christ and salvation. Vague comments should not be taken as gospel from someone....esp if you can't debate or speak to them. This is what this appears to be...

One guy said we shouldn't vote for him cause his middle name is Hussein. Thats beyond laughable...

I sat and watched the entire speech as did my son-in-law. My son-in-law cried when he heard what was said in the context to which it was said and the response by the people, which was a great cheering when he refered to God's children including those who deny Christ Jesus. These comments were not vague in the slightest and neither is scripture on that topic. I hardly find that a laughable matter. Apparently, many a Christian who had read the article at hand didn't find it funny either, which can be seen via the many comments at the bottom of the page following the article.

Let me add an interesting question for all. If Obama's mom was of a differing faith and we know that his father was muslim, why was it that he states that he was attending a madrasah as a Christian? In addition to that, why is he stating that he just became a Christian twenty years ago through TUCC? So if he wasn't Christian as a child, what was he and why would he have been attending a mostly Muslim school as a Christian, when he wasn't Christian at all?

Blessings,
Terri

[Godgrl Gomer]

The question asked of Obama :
What role does Jesus Christ play in your life and how did His teaching and those in the Bible effect your decision making in politics?

Obama starts off with some good stuff. He is saying what sounds right.
And then, wham! Here comes the truth.

I do differ....I think its very important that you don't have to have the same faith as me to be a moral person, because there are a lot of Jewish people who are just as moral or even more moral than I am. There are a lot of Muslims who are decent, kind loving people....I don't think they are any less Children of God, I don't think they have any less of a perspective...My mother was not a Believer in the way I was, she was the kindest most decent generous person I ever knew & I am sure shes in Heaven right now, even though she may have not subscribed to everything that I subscribe to.
That's why I am glad I live in a democracy which in which regardless of your faith, regardless of whether you are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or a unbeliever, that if you treat people with respect, if you are law abiding, if you are a good citizen and a good member of your community then you are deserving the same rights and the same respect in our democracy as any body else.

There are 2 things going on here.
First I agree with Obama in that all are deserving of respect regardless of their Faith.
HOWEVER....Being steadfast in one's faith and speaking the Truth regardless of persecution does not mean that the person feels those of other faiths are less deserving of freedom and rights etc. If they are, then thats their own issue, for it is not what Jesus taught.
Respect and Tolerance are two different things.

Also....Obama says he believes that Jesus died for his sin, and it is by His Grace that he has everlasting life. But to say all moral people are the Children of God and thus imply they are in Heaven when they die, as he does with the example of his mother, casts aside all that Jesus did. This man does not understand his salvation in Jesus Christ. There are many in my own Church who would subscribe to what he is saying. I have had this argument with my In Laws...and they love Jesus sooo much....but they dont fully understand what the Word says.

Now the issue that will arise from all of this is that Christians have and will rise up against what is said here. and I can tell you that the world - including other Christians- will hear that these Christians who oppose what Obama said are saying that Non Christians dont deserve the same rights as them. Guaranteed....thats what they will hear.
So I urge you Brothers and Sisters to pray. Pray as the Holy Spirit leads. Pray that Obama comes to understand his salvation in Christ, because otherwise He will get a shock when he dies. Pray that the Truth is heard for what it is and that the Enemy does not allow the message and the uprising of opposing Christians to be altered.

Remember....He who denies denies Christ will also be denied....There will be many who cry Lord, Lord and He will say, I know you not....
Pray that those who are believeing this watered down Christianity comes to receive the Truth in full before its too late.

[TJL]

The question asked of Obama :


Obama starts off with some good stuff. He is saying what sounds right.
And then, wham! Here comes the truth.



There are 2 things going on here.
First I agree with Obama in that all are deserving of respect regardless of their Faith.
HOWEVER....Being steadfast in one's faith and speaking the Truth regardless of persecution does not mean that the person feels those of other faiths are less deserving of freedom and rights etc. If they are, then thats their own issue, for it is not what Jesus taught.
Respect and Tolerance are two different things.

Also....Obama says he believes that Jesus died for his sin, and it is by His Grace that he has everlasting life. But to say all moral people are the Children of God and thus imply they are in Heaven when they die, as he does with the example of his mother, casts aside all that Jesus did. This man does not understand his salvation in Jesus Christ. There are many in my own Church who would subscribe to what he is saying. I have had this argument with my In Laws...and they love Jesus sooo much....but they dont fully understand what the Word says.

Now the issue that will arise from all of this is that Christians have and will rise up against what is said here. and I can tell you that the world - including other Christians- will hear that these Christians who oppose what Obama said are saying that Non Christians dont deserve the same rights as them. Guaranteed....thats what they will hear.
So I urge you Brothers and Sisters to pray. Pray as the Holy Spirit leads. Pray that Obama comes to understand his salvation in Christ, because otherwise He will get a shock when he dies. Pray that the Truth is heard for what it is and that the Enemy does not allow the message and the uprising of opposing Christians to be altered.

Remember....He who denies denies Christ will also be denied....There will be many who cry Lord, Lord and He will say, I know you not....
Pray that those who are believeing ths watered down Christianity comes to receive the Truth in full before its too late.

Wow! You managed to take note of everything that was stated. Good job, my little sis! All you have said is truth. I will add that besides Obama, we also need to be praying for all who are deceived by the faith that he is speaking of before the people.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not of the Muslim believe that one's goodness is weighed before God and if one's good out weighs their bad, they will then enter into heaven, unless of course they commit a suicide attack which then assures their entrance into heaven? This was something that I learned while over in Israel.

Blessings,
Terri

[pamcharlie]

I can't stand all the people who want hillary to pull out , it seems to me that the america needs a female president since here in new zealand we have had a couple of female prime ministers and it time for america to have a woman president . the time for change is a time for a woman to the president of america. I am not a feminist by all means however as a young woman i do think seriously that america needs a female president.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

I can't stand all the people who want hillary to pull out , it seems to me that the america needs a female president since here in new zealand we have had a couple of female prime ministers and it time for america to have a woman president . the time for change is a time for a woman to the president of america. I am not a feminist by all means however as a young woman i do think seriously that america needs a female president.

Perhaps it is time for a woman president. But a female president for the sake of a female president is not a legitimate reason. And Hillary certainly isn't what many regard as a 'safe bet'. She was caught out big time a week or so ago with her little getting-shot-at-by-snipers-in-Bosnia speech. I am not trying to pick holes in your argument but you have not actually stated why you think it is time for an American female president; or why Hillary would make a good president. :D

As for Barrack Obama, what he has said is certainly VERY concerning. It's a real shame. I don't agree with what he said, and nor does the Bible, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be president. Maybe someone should get him interested in Third Day.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

I'm not excited about Obama either. But why is he being singled out? Hillary and McCain think just about the same.

[TJL]

I'm not excited about Obama either. But why is he being singled out? Hillary and McCain think just about the same.

This is not about singling out Obama. This is a Christian board, correct? Most know by now how wishy-washy Hillary and McCain are when it comes to the topic of faith, and the two them have not stated any differently. However, Obama has not failed at fooling many a Christian with his statments about his faith. He is the one who chose to utilize the topic of his faith as being a big part of who he is. He has been obtaining a very large Christian vote out there, black and white alike, based on his own characterization of himself as a strong Christian man.

One big thing that most of us Americans look at is the integrity of those who may or may not become the next leader of our country. We should be doing just that. If anyone running for President states faith as being a big part of who he/she is and how he/she functions, in order to examine his/hers level of integrity, we must look at his/her faith. If what is stated as being a big part of his/her character is based on faith in Jesus and we find that this faith to which is being claimed lacks a great deal of truth and incorperates compromise, then this is an area that should be questioned and examined further. We are, after all, Christians. Furthermore, we would be fools to not examine closely, the integrity of those whom are running for the highest seat in our nation, particularly when we find major areas of dishonesty and compromise.

If what Obama states is a big part of who he is and we find him stating big inconsistencies in regards to this area, one has to asked themselves, are these the characteristics of one I want in the highest seat in my nation? If it is, then don't be surprised when you get such running the nation.

As Christians, we should be doing nothing less then praying for our nation and all who are running for president, and all of our other leaders. That is the most powerful tool that any of us have at this moment. Lastly, our vote should not come above our faith but should be based on Biblical morals and the like.

With that said, I am still voting for Mickey Mouse( I spelled it right, Jason).:cool:

Blessings,
Terri

[Gaudete]

I've been voting since 1980, and this is the first presidential election where I don't want to vote for any of 'em. *sigh*

[SueQ]

I wonder, if a candidate believed that Jesus is the only way, and that candidate was known to have had a Muslim grandmother who's dead, would have answered the way you guys want him to answer: "No, I'm pretty sure my grandmother's roasting right about now."--I wonder how that would go over and how the press would lacerate him.


How about, " I know she did not have the assurance of heaven through salvation but I have prayed for God's mercy. I guess I'll have to wait to find out for sure when I pass through those gates myself." That works, of course, only if you are "unapologetically Christian".

[Aussie3rddayfan]

I've been voting since 1980, and this is the first presidential election where I don't want to vote for any of 'em. *sigh*

I guess the beauty of voting in the US is that you don't have to if you don't want to. That way you can blame everyone else if or when things go wrong!

If what Obama states is a big part of who he is and we find him stating big inconsistencies in regards to this area, one has to asked themselves, are these the characteristics of one I want in the highest seat in my nation? If it is, then don't be surprised when you get such running the nation.

As Christians, we should be doing nothing less then praying for our nation and all who are running for president, and all of our other leaders. That is the most powerful tool that any of us have at this moment. Lastly, our vote should not come above our faith but should be based on Biblical morals and the like.

While it would be ideal to have a strong protestant/evangelical Christian president, I think it is important to remember that one need not necassarily be a devoted christian to be a good president. You can have good and bad non-christian presidents and good and bad christian presidents. That's the reality of the situation.

[TJL]

Aussie3rddayfan wrote:
I guess the beauty of voting in the US is that you don't have to if you don't want to. That way you can blame everyone else if or when things go wrong!
Not really. I can't speak for all, but when I didn't vote, I felt just as responsible as anyone, as I did not vote. That can be a good or bad thing. When one votes, they vote for or against. When one doesn't vote, that is the same as voting for the one who wins.

While it would be ideal to have a strong protestant/evangelical Christian president, I think it is important to remember that one need not necassarily be a devoted christian to be a good president. You can have good and bad non-christian presidents and good and bad christian presidents. That's the reality of the situation.

That is for sure. However, as I stated previously, when one states that their faith is a large part of who they are, that must be closely examined as to assess one's integrity. I would rather have an athiest with good morals verses a smooth talking, dishonest Christian as president.

Blessings,
Terri

[Evanescence]

The fact is we know NOTHING about these people. Some on here have defended Bush...siting his claims of being a Christian....quoting the Bible and speaking of Jesus.

Anyone can talk crap...its called politics. We only see what the media tells us....and yes, thee are some who may be OPEN about their beliefs but the notion of electing someone who supposedly is, "A good outstanding Christian" is ludicris. How do we know for sure?

[Howlin' Wolf]

who cares what obama thinks? i want him to fix this country, not preach the gospel. like E said, we have an "evangelical" president and the fruits of his term are astoundingly satanic.

[TJL]

The fact is we know NOTHING about these people. Some on here have defended Bush...siting his claims of being a Christian....quoting the Bible and speaking of Jesus.

Anyone can talk crap...its called politics. We only see what the media tells us....and yes, thee are some who may be OPEN about their beliefs but the notion of electing someone who supposedly is, "A good outstanding Christian" is ludicris. How do we know for sure?

The Bible says that we will know them by their fruits. There are many locations on the net where one can go and look at where these people donate money, as well as what they have voted for and against in the past.
Integrity is important. You are right in that we will never be 100% sure of those who are trained political liars, whom are also encouraged to be such through an education of political science which teaches one to examine the popular vote and utilize it within their political agendas even when they are not in full agreement. However, when we see qualities that are a contradiction to things that they have stated, that needs to be exposed. Personally, I liked Mike Huckabee, but now I don't know who I will vote for.

Having Christian morals is important to many of us though, thus being honest about one's faith in Jesus. I personally don't like the fact that the Bible is no longer allowed in our schools, prayer is kept out, the name of Jesus is kept out of our schools, abortion is common place, gay marriage and/or relationships have become as excepted as the heterosexual relationships, now it's "Happy Holidays" verses Merry Christmas, and the list goes on. Compromise is what initiates such change from a nation that was originally Christian based.

What I will say about Bush, despite the fact that many hate the war going on right now, knowing that it is a no win situation, there are some important facts to look at and consider. One, the number of deaths of Americans over there since the beginning of the war is about one quarter of the number of murders that go on each year over here in the United States, but there are no faces or names attached to those deaths and they go virtually unnoticed, and that surely doesn't cover the number of babies that are aborted in our nation each year either, that many don't even care about. The media doesn't tell us about those things because it doesn't grab the attention of viewers, thus it would be a loss of money for the networks. Next, since the beginning of the war, satellites have popped up all over the Iraq and Afganistan where they were never allowed before, and these people who were not allowed to have a Bible or have the Gospel preached to them are now able to view in the privacy of their own homes, Christian network. I have heard that nearly every house in Bagdad own a satellite dish. Prior to this, the only thing that these people could view on their televisions was over seen by Saddam Hussein. There is no telling how many people in the Middle East are having the Word planted in their hearts through this major change, but I have heard that this even stretches as far as Iran. CNN is certainly not going to tell any one this stuff. Who cares if lives are being saved right and left over there via the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That doesn't make good news, but it excites me that people can now come freely to the Lord in the privacy of their homes without the persecution that they would have otherwise suffered. The problem is, many only care about the nation that they live in, but the Lord loves all the people, even those in the Middle East.

In this world, people care more about one's physical life than that of Eternal Life. It shouldn't be so with the Christian. CNN will never tell you how many are perhaps coming to the Lord in the Middle East because of the war. They don't care nor understand Eternal Life verses eternal damnation.

I ask, how can a nation be restored without Jesus? It is because we think that we can compromise and leave Jesus out of various areas of our nation, even the highest seat in our government, and things can get better. However, history proves quite a differing scenerio occurring.

Blessings,
Terri

[WeaselInYerFoot]

This is not about singling out Obama. This is a Christian board, correct? Most know by now how wishy-washy Hillary and McCain are when it comes to the topic of faith, and the two them have not stated any differently. However, Obama has not failed at fooling many a Christian with his statments about his faith. He is the one who chose to utilize the topic of his faith as being a big part of who he is. He has been obtaining a very large Christian vote out there, black and white alike, based on his own characterization of himself as a strong Christian man.


Perhaps I overreacted. The night before I posted that, I was talking to someone who was convinced that McCain was Christian because "he's against the Islamists". I'm sure that didn't help much.

[Howlin' Wolf]

Perhaps I overreacted. The night before I posted that, I was talking to someone who was convinced that McCain was Christian because "he's against the Islamists". I'm sure that didn't help much.

McCain is Christian because he is republican!

[TJL]

Perhaps I overreacted. The night before I posted that, I was talking to someone who was convinced that McCain was Christian because "he's against the Islamists". I'm sure that didn't help much.

Lord have mercy! Where do people get that stuff from? I am afraid that we have many a voter out there who think with that type of mindset.

Blessings,
Terri

[Debbie]

I ask, how can a nation be restored without Jesus? It is because we think that we can compromise and leave Jesus out of various areas of our nation, even the highest seat in our government, and things can get better. However, history proves quite a differing scenerio occurring.

Music to my ears......

[Gandalf]

Well, we obviously can't have a President in this free country unless its a good, moral, born again Christian...now can we.
I wouldn't say that ... actually, I would've voted for Romney even though he's a member of the Mormon cult. God has used many national leaders who were not Christians throughout history - the Bible is full of examples of pagan rulers being used to do His will.

What's disturbing about Obama isn't so much whether he's an orthodox Christian or even that he has apparently been the disciple of a racist, extremist, anti-American bigot for several decades. That shows poor judgment, even if he disagrees with everything that the "reverend" Wright has said, but what actually bothers me about him is that he's a socialist. His policies, if he was able to fully implement them, would be ruinous for our economy and for our national security. Further, he supports Supreme Court justices in the Ginsberg model rather than the Scalia/Thomas model, which would set back any possible progress in ending the scourge of abortion in our country by many years.
I mean, we have one now and look at all the good fruits we have seen over the past 7+ years...
If you didn't intend any sarcasm, I'd actually agree with you. Media bias and liberal hatred aside, I think Bush has done a pretty good job, and has followed Christian principles in many areas even where I disagree with him on the implementation. He more than doubled funding for fighting AIDS in Africa, removed a tyrannical dictator from power and freed the people of Iraq, generally responded to 9/11 as well as could be expected of any President, and better than many previous men would have. I think his Medicare drug benefit was misguided, but that he was following his conscience and trying to help the poor when implementing it. I think his policies on illegal immigration have been a bit odd - it would make more sense to enforce the laws against hiring illegal aliens while increasing immigration quotas if we wanted to ease the pressure on the southern border. But those are disagreements over which means best achieve a valid, conscionable end, not a lack of good fruits. I disagree with Bush on quite a few issues; I don't think it's fair to claim that he's evil because of it.

[Gandalf]

who cares what obama thinks? i want him to fix this country, not preach the gospel.
Because placing our hope in him to "change" things, rather than placing our hope in God will fix this country? Hope is not a mater for government, but for faith. :)
Perhaps I overreacted. The night before I posted that, I was talking to someone who was convinced that McCain was Christian because "he's against the Islamists". I'm sure that didn't help much.
:eek: If someone was trying to give evidence of Christian behavior on McCain's part, I would think it would be adopting a Bangladeshi orphan, not being against the Muslims. I don't know the man's beliefs, or generally agree with his politics, but that's certainly an odd criteria by which to judge a man's soul ... and one's speculation about the state of his soul is an even odder criteria by which to choose a president, I think.

[larryl]

a candidate's religious views have very little to do with how i vote.......

i'm more interested in knowing how they will run this country.

[TJL]

That seems to be the ongoing trend of these days. One's faith and moral standards have always been a contibuting factor as to how one will run a country. We see examples of this all over the world and throughout history. If one is dishonest against the God of this universe, how honestly can one be before the people of any country? Since when did any of us become greater than the Lord and why would we expect such?

Blessings,
Terri

[Valpo]

That seems to be the ongoing trend of these days. One's faith and moral standards have always been a contibuting factor as to how one will run a country. We see examples of this all over the world and throughout history. If one is dishonest against the God of this universe, how honestly can one be before the people of any country? Since when did any of us become greater than the Lord and why would we expect such?

Blessings,
Terri

Martin Luther once said that a good turk can run a nation. Meaning a non Christian. The church and the kingdoms of this world ought to be separate in practice. This does not mean that Christians cant be involved in the kingdom of the left (the world) but the church is not there, it is in the kingdom of the right.

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=8164

[TJL]

Martin Luther once said that a good turk can run a nation. Meaning a non Christian. The church and the kingdoms of this world ought to be separate in practice. This does not mean that Christians cant be involved in the kingdom of the left (the world) but the church is not there, it is in the kingdom of the right.

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=8164

The God to whom should be worshipped is not a practice. It should be a way of living. That is what Jesus shows us through the Gospels and His own physical life. He did not practice truth, He lived it. If we live outside of His ways then we get what comes along with that. We have been seeing the results of such living right along. When will we learn?

Blessings,
Terri

[Gandalf]

The word "practice (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?practice)" means to "carry out" or "apply" - to practice something is to do it. Practicing something just in order to become better at it in the sense that one practices a sport is just a special case of this, not the sole meaning of the word. When he said that Church and State should be separate in practice, that means that they should be separate in the real, practical way that we live - what we actually carry out and apply.

[Evanescence]

The religious right has done enough damage to this nation....I don't want a Muslim or a Hindu in office, but just becuase someone doesn't fit the perfect Christian mold should not disqualify them from being Pres.

The religious right for the most part is standing behind Bush...which is a dishonest thing to do.....unless you're completley uneducated.

We should protect politics from faith...

[Gandalf]

The religious right for the most part is standing behind Bush...which is a dishonest thing to do.....unless you're completley uneducated.
That's not true. Just because you disagree with Bush's foreign policy does not mean that every educated person who is honest must also do so. I, for one am very well educated and agree with his foreign policy, though not all of his domestic policy decisions. And I'm not lying about it. :)

Don't make the mistake of thinking that every educated or intelligent person must agree with your politics. There are educated, intelligent people with high levels of integrity who have differing opinions on almost any issue you can choose as an example.

[TJL]

The religious right has done enough damage to this nation....I don't want a Muslim or a Hindu in office, but just becuase someone doesn't fit the perfect Christian mold should not disqualify them from being Pres.

The religious right for the most part is standing behind Bush...which is a dishonest thing to do.....unless you're completley uneducated.

We should protect politics from faith...

I suppose that is all a matter of opinion. I've tended to see the quality of one's leadership viewed over the long term verses the short...much like many other things in life. Quality is not always viewable by the initial hardships that one must endure. We see that in the Biblical example of Christ Jesus and the Apostles...yet I, and surely yourself, are free to have a Bible in hand.

Blessings,
Terri

[TJL]

The word "practice (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?practice)" means to "carry out" or "apply" - to practice something is to do it. Practicing something just in order to become better at it in the sense that one practices a sport is just a special case of this, not the sole meaning of the word. When he said that Church and State should be separate in practice, that means that they should be separate in the real, practical way that we live - what we actually carry out and apply.

Okay.

Blessings,
Terri

[larryl]

That seems to be the ongoing trend of these days. One's faith and moral standards have always been a contibuting factor as to how one will run a country. We see examples of this all over the world and throughout history. If one is dishonest against the God of this universe, how honestly can one be before the people of any country? Since when did any of us become greater than the Lord and why would we expect such?

Blessings,
Terri


i've expected a lot of other candidates who claimed to be christians, only to be disappointed.

the US is not a christian nation (thank goodness... theocracies don't usually turn out so well), so i don't expect the nation to conduct itself in a christian manner. that being the case, i look for someone who i believe will best represent my views on how the nation should work...... regardless of that person's faith.

in case you're wondering, i won't be voting for any of the top 3 candidates.

[Evanescence]

Well said larry,

hey, i see you're in griffin GA....My new book has a pastor from there....Pastor Randy Valimont - Assemblies of God. You familair?

[TJL]

i've expected a lot of other candidates who claimed to be christians, only to be disappointed.

the US is not a christian nation (thank goodness... theocracies don't usually turn out so well), so i don't expect the nation to conduct itself in a christian manner. that being the case, i look for someone who i believe will best represent my views on how the nation should work...... regardless of that person's faith.

in case you're wondering, i won't be voting for any of the top 3 candidates.

Interestingly enough, it is said that as much as 80% of the people in the US refer to themselves as Christian. With that said, they agree with such things as partial birth abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research via the use of dead babies, removing of the Ten Commandments in government buildings, "Happy Holidays" verses "Merry Christmas" and so on. Considering this, you are right, this is no longer a Christian nation. The founders of this country would have never stood for such, yet they were very much against a theocracy such as they had known. This nation did not become a great nation based on compromise and tolerance, and once compromise began to slowly creep in, many other things crept in with it, such as school shootings and gangs in every big city in this nation and spreading out from there.

I have no desire to see the three top running this nation either. However, if Huckabee is chosen as vice, the old man will be a good choice for me as it will be the vice who takes over in the event of a serious health related issue of the President. Not that I would wish that on anyone but at his age and considering his health history, anything is possible.

Blessings,
Terrri

[larryl]

Well said larry,

hey, i see you're in griffin GA....My new book has a pastor from there....Pastor Randy Valimont - Assemblies of God. You familair?

i don't know him personally, but i've met him several times over the years.

[SueQ]

I wonder, if a candidate believed that Jesus is the only way, and that candidate was known to have had a Muslim grandmother who's dead, would have answered the way you guys want him to answer: "No, I'm pretty sure my grandmother's roasting right about now."--I wonder how that would go over and how the press would lacerate him.

Don't get me wrong. I think Jesus promised us we might have to defend our faith in a tough situation; that's just part of being a Christian. But I imagine that Obama was in a no-win situation by even being asked that question. Well, not no win, exactly, but a very tough place to be in. I don't know if it's fair for us to judge his walk with Christ in our comfortable computer chairs while discussing a loaded question put to a man in a very sensitive position.

When faced with the question regarding someone's eternal life who was not a professing Christian, I just say that God is a merciful God, can do anything He wants, and pray that maybe He bestowed His mercy on that person....