Obama

[pamcharlie]

Hey gang as a kiwi watching what is going on in the united states with the run for the president i am noticing that there is something uneasy about mr obarma since he is very sinister since i am thinking that he could be the antichrist

[Pixie Wildflower]

This might be better in the political debate area.

[pamcharlie]

Ok please transfer this to there please

[Valpo]

The antichrist?

[Buttabean]

um, highly doubtful. But keep thinking that.

[clemsontigers23]

The antichrist?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I don't like him, but I don't think he's the antichrist.

[Jason]

I'd put better odds on Hillary. ;)

[Jake]

The antichrist?

My sentiments exactly. The things people say...makes me wonder if they actually believe themselves.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I don't like him, but I don't think he's the antichrist.

Can't stand him, and I'm 100% sure he's not.

I'd put better odds on Hillary. ;)

This was my first reaction when I read the original post. Seems that me and Jason are on the same page pretty often lol

[Heaven Sent777]

LOL! well someone is the Antichrist and he or she is not far away.

[Jason]

This was my first reaction when I read the original post. Seems that me and Jason are on the same page pretty often lol

Seems like it, yes.

[pamcharlie]

I was suggesting that because there seems to be something about him that is not right. the way he is too charastimatic

[Jake]

I was suggesting that because there seems to be something about him that is not right. the way he is too charastimatic

And we're suggesting that there is a total absence of logic in your suggestion.

[SonflowerGurl]

Obama seems like a decent guy, but very offbase on the issues -- and with primaries and the Democrats basically standing for every liberal issue available and Hillary and Barack can't really be PC and attach each other...they're playing nice.

General election:

Greatest Hope - that the issues will stand and make it a easy choice
Greatest Fear - that American public will be duped by a shiny, pretty, but yet empty, package. Marketing at it's finest.

[cheewiee]

Well I am not trying to say anyone whose with us today is the Anti-Christ, but if I had to put my money on anyone it would be this guy. (http://allenmickle.files.wordpre ss.com/2007/10/29208.jpg)

Out of Control, and completely unnecessary, even if you disagree with his theology.

[Evanescence]

He can't be the antichrist....he's our VP right now....:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Valpo]

Out of Control, and completely unnecessary, even if you disagree with his theology.

sense...of...humor...?

[VerbumReale]

Out of Control, and completely unnecessary, even if you disagree with his theology.

Ummm, it was a joke. Take it easy.

But even if I was serious why is what I said more offensive than seriously implying that Barack Obama is the Anti-Christ which the person who started the thread did?? (Which BTW just so the person knows I was not offended by the statement at all. I disagree but not offended)

Seriously I want to know why what I wrote was so "out of control" and yet you seem to have no problem with someone saying that they think Barack Obama might be the Anti-Christ??

Is it because the person I selected (clearly in a loking manner) is an evagelist??

And BTW, I edited the post you responded to just to make sure that people understand it was a joke. I hope it meets with your satisfaction.

[cheewiee]

Seriously I want to know why what I wrote was so "out of control" and yet you seem to have no problem with someone saying that they think Barack Obama might be the Anti-Christ??

I never said I didn't have a problem with someone saying that they think Barack Obama was the Anti-Christ. Actually I haven't had the opportunity to reply to the OP. There was an article on Drudge yesterday (from AU) that I wanted to post, that basically looks at the cult of personality that is beginning to form around Obama, and it looks at how people are almost seeing him as a Messianic figure.

http://www.theaustralian.news.co m.au/story/0,25197,23182456-28737,00.html

My plan was to try to look at the OP's comments and perhaps see how the world at large is looking at our current presidential race.

So that's why I hadn't made a comment about the OP's post.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

Does it really matter?

It's not like you can stop whoever it is and save the universe. Schwarzenegger already did that just minutes before Y2K.

[Tracey]

hahahahahaha weasel you crack me up hahahaha

[Evanescence]

Does it really matter?

It's not like you can stop whoever it is and save the universe. Schwarzenegger already did that just minutes before Y2K.


He'll be back....

[Jesuslove]

I'd put better odds on Hillary. ;)

No, the Antichrist is in office now... GWB.

[Jesuslove]

Out of Control, and completely unnecessary, even if you disagree with his theology.

I have to agree with you.

[VerbumReale]

I have to agree with you.

Wow, in one post you flat out say that the current president is the Anti-Christ, giving no indication that you are joking and I, while clearly joking, suggest that if I were going to bet on anyone who is with us today being the Anti-Christ it would be Joel O'Steen. And I am the one out of control???

Can you say hypocrite????

[VerbumReale]

OK you can all relax I deleted the horrible post where I joked that if I had to bet on anyone with us today being the Anti-Christ it would be Joel O'Steen.

Again, people I was joking and I made it abundantly clear. But apparently even joiking that I might possibly think he is the Anti-Christ is just completely outrageous. On the other hand, apparently it is perfectly fine to come right out and say that Barrack Obama or George W Bush or Dick Cheney is the Anti-Christ.

Well you can stop worrying people the dirty little post has been deleted.

I will never cease to be amazed by the hypocrisy that I see on these boards sometimes!!!!

BTW: I'd like to thank Valpo for apparently being the only person who could see that I was joking or at least coming to my defense.

[Jake]

OK you can all relax I deleted the horrible post where I joked that if I had to bet on anyone with us today being the Anti-Christ it would be Joel O'Steen.

Again, people I was joking and I made it abundantly clear. But apparently even joiking that I might possibly think he is the Anti-Christ is just completely outrageous. On the other hand, apparently it is perfectly fine to come right out and say that Barrack Obama or George W Bush or Dick Cheney is the Anti-Christ.

Well you can stop worrying people the dirty little post has been deleted.

I will never cease to be amazed by the hypocrisy that I see on these boards sometimes!!!!

BTW: I'd like to thank Valpo for apparently being the only person who could see that I was joking or at least coming to my defense.

Eh, hypocrisy is a common trend around here. And most of what I see has the same handful of people proving it to be true.

Your post was hysterical. I opened the picture not knowning what to expect, and I almost spit Pepsi on my lap top.

Apparently it's only ok for certain people to say someone is the anti-christ. Good information to have.

[Jake]

No, the Antichrist is in office now... GWB.

I have to agree with you.

Did you actually think before you posted? What a joke!

[middletree]

it would be Joel O'Steen.

Is he Irish now?

BTW: I'd like to thank Valpo for apparently being the only person who could see that I was joking or at least coming to my defense.
Steve: Sorry I didn't come to your defense. I thought it was so obvious that you didn't think Osteen is the antichrist that no comment was needed. I probably should have piped in.

For the record, I'm on record here as saying that something about Osteen really bothers me, and I have yet to put my finger on it.

[cheewiee]

To be honest, I believe it is out of line to call anyone the Anti-Christ. Whether that be Hillary, Obama, Osteen, or GWB.

The OP expressed an honest opinion based on how Obama is being portrayed in the media. The Article I posted shows that the foreign press sees the American Public as almost viewing Obama as a savior of sorts....


EDIT: Ok, so just to be clear I want to make sure I make this plain, I do believe that it is out of line to call anyone the Anti-Christ..... Jest or not....

[VerbumReale]

To be honest, I believe it is out of line to call anyone the Anti-Christ in Jest. Whether that be Hillary, Obama, Osteen, or GWB.

The OP expressed an honest opinion based on how Obama is being portrayed in the media. The Article I posted shows that the foreign press sees the American Public as almost viewing Obama as a savior of sorts....

Fine then let me make it clear that I am not joking when I say this.

Joel Osteen may not be the Anti-Christ but I definitely think that he preaches a false gospel and I think Satan is using him to deceive people. If that offends some, it's not my intent. But if it takes being offended for someone to see OSteen for the heretic that he is then so be it.

There that is not a joke that is me expressing an honest opinion and should be regarded as no more offensive than the OP, at least if we're going by Cheewie's standards.

And BTW Cheewie I still think you are applying a double-standard and I thnk you know why.

And thanks to Jake and Tree for coming to my defense regarding my earlier post.

[Lilyrose777]

LOL - Too Funny!!!

[in hiding]

Fine then let me make it clear that I am not joking when I say this.

Joel Osteen may not be the Anti-Christ but I definitely think that he preaches a false gospel and I think Satan is using him to deceive people. If that offends some, it's not my intent. But if it takes being offended for someone to see OSteen for the heretic that he is then so be it.
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i think a lot of the prosperity gospel types def are treading on very shaky theological ground.

and cheewie, is it out of line to call the antichrist the antichrist ;)

[cheewiee]

i think a lot of the prosperity gospel types def are treading on very shaky theological ground. Then start a thread about it in the word forum....

and cheewie, is it out of line to call the antichrist the antichrist ;)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html

This is the only person who I would say isn't out of line to call the Anti-Christ, because he calls himself the antichrist...

But seriously... If we want to discuss the prophetic possiblities of a particular person being the Anti-Christ, that's a discussion best suited for the word forum, If we are going to engage in personal attacks, this isn't the place for it.

Calling Osteen the Anti-Christ, joke, or no regardless of whether or not you agree with his THEOLOGY, is a personal attack. It's ok to disagree with Osteen's Theology, heck I do, but if I am going to discuss him, it is going to be in the context of his theology, not him personally.

[VerbumReale]

Then start a thread about it in the word forum....



http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html

This is the only person who I would say isn't out of line to call the Anti-Christ, because he calls himself the antichrist...

But seriously... If we want to discuss the prophetic possiblities of a particular person being the Anti-Christ, that's a discussion best suited for the word forum, If we are going to engage in personal attacks, this isn't the place for it.

Calling Osteen the Anti-Christ, joke, or no regardless of whether or not you agree with his THEOLOGY, is a personal attack. It's ok to disagree with Osteen's Theology, heck I do, but if I am going to discuss him, it is going to be in the context of his theology, not him personally.

And I didn't mean to derail the thread with my thoughts on his theology. I was just trying to differentiate between my jokingly saying that I thought he might be the anti-christ and what I actually believe about him.

Sorry if it got the thread off kilter.

[in hiding]

Then start a thread about it in the word forum....

no need to start a thread. I got my point across fine here :).


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html

This is the only person who I would say isn't out of line to call the Anti-Christ, because he calls himself the antichrist...


that dude is whacked. I read some things on him a year or so ago.

[WeaselInYerFoot]

Since we're on the subject of the Antichrist, maybe it's a good time to see if anyone else noticed the upside-down stars on the flag at Clinton's rallies...

(official site (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=21760#view_comments))

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7519/hillstarsmw4.gif

But hold on a sec, the Christian Republicans (haha!) aren't free of any blame!
The logo for the Republican party changed from this in 1999

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9666/gop3kn6.gif

To this....

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3519/gop2rm0.gif

You can check for yourself at their official website (http://www.rnc.org/). In conclusion, both GWB and Hillary are the Antichrist. They will soon mesh into one and become the most destructive being on earth! The consumption of little innocent animals will sustain this horrid beast, so keep your puppies and kittens safe!

[Bonnie_Ty]

There is not one person that is the antiChrist. If you study the Scriptures you will learn that it is a spirit. Anyone who denies that Christ has come in the flesh has the spirit of antiChrist. It is here already, folks.

[Jason]

There is not one person that is the antiChrist. If you study the Scriptures you will learn that it is a spirit. Anyone who denies that Christ has come in the flesh has the spirit of antiChrist. It is here already, folks.

Except there will be a person that is the beast, who many refer to as THE antichrist.

[Bonnie_Ty]

Except there will be a person that is the beast, who many refer to as THE antichrist.

Yep.

[clemsontigers23]

Fine then let me make it clear that I am not joking when I say this.

Joel Osteen may not be the Anti-Christ but I definitely think that he preaches a false gospel and I think Satan is using him to deceive people. If that offends some, it's not my intent. But if it takes being offended for someone to see OSteen for the heretic that he is then so be it.

There that is not a joke that is me expressing an honest opinion and should be regarded as no more offensive than the OP, at least if we're going by Cheewie's standards.

And BTW Cheewie I still think you are applying a double-standard and I thnk you know why.

And thanks to Jake and Tree for coming to my defense regarding my earlier post.

I agree. Joel Osteen was asked on Larry King if he believed Christ was the only way to be saved and he wouldn't say yes. He also said he doesn't like to use the word "sin." I have a feeling there's a lot of people in that church who struggle with sin and yet have no way of dealing with it because Joel misleads them. In his last book, any mention of God was rare. Joel Osteen preaches all about the self and not about serving Christ. He is dangerous, and so many people are being misled. I also see a lot of inconsistencies with Billy Graham, but that's for another discussion. ;)

[Buttabean]

I agree. Joel Osteen was asked on Larry King if he believed Christ was the only way to be saved and he wouldn't say yes. He also said he doesn't like to use the word "sin." I have a feeling there's a lot of people in that church who struggle with sin and yet have no way of dealing with it because Joel misleads them. In his last book, any mention of God was rare. Joel Osteen preaches all about the self and not about serving Christ. He is dangerous, and so many people are being misled. I also see a lot of inconsistencies with Billy Graham, but that's for another discussion. ;)

my dad doesn't like Osteen because he doesn't preach baptism. But we're Baptists-the name says it all! :eek:

[clemsontigers23]

my dad doesn't like Osteen because he doesn't preach baptism. But we're Baptists-the name says it all! :eek:

Yep. Osteen thinks a 5 second prayer at the end of his television program is enough for a person to be saved. But, that's where televangelism seems to be heading.

[rossid]

Yep. Osteen thinks a 5 second prayer at the end of his television program is enough for a person to be saved. But, that's where televangelism seems to be heading.And it isn't? :P That ending is just ridiculous. My pastor mentions salvation in his closing prayer and it reminds me of JO.

Oh, and how did I miss this thread, but start this one? http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=101839


Obama, a practicing Chritian(sic) for two decades and member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ who frequently invokes his faith during political speeches, has been accused untruthfully in other e-mail smear campaigns of being a closet radical Muslim and a member of a black-separatist church.
http://www.kcci.com/politics/15403319/detail.html


How can they say with such certainty he 'has been accused untruthfully'? That statement seems pretty definitive. Now I don't think he is a Muslim but still think the last paragraph of this article is too dismissing of his church's 'innocence'.

How is Obama's chuch NOT black separatist? (I know this is an old discussion on another thread most likely.)

[clemsontigers23]

And it isn't? :P That ending is just ridiculous. My pastor mentions salvation in his closing prayer and it reminds me of JO.

Oh, and how did I miss this thread, but start this one? http://www.thirdday.com/boards/showthread.php?t=101839


Obama, a practicing Chritian(sic) for two decades and member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ who frequently invokes his faith during political speeches, has been accused untruthfully in other e-mail smear campaigns of being a closet radical Muslim and a member of a black-separatist church.
http://www.kcci.com/politics/15403319/detail.html


How can they say with such certainty he 'has been accused untruthfully'? That statement seems pretty definitive. Now I don't think he is a Muslim but still think the last paragraph of this article is too dismissing of his church's 'innocence'.

How is Obama's chuch NOT black separatist? (I know this is an old discussion on another thread most likely.)

As I've said in the past, if I tried to start a church with the same mission statement as TUCC, only substituting the word "white" for "black", I would be accused of being a racist and a card-carrying member of the KKK. It's hypocritical to preach equality, and yet we have so many black-only institutions in America that it's ridiculous. It's reverse segregation and reverse racism.

[Jake]

As I've said in the past, if I tried to start a church with the same mission statement as TUCC, only substituting the word "white" for "black", I would be accused of being a racist and a card-carrying member of the KKK. It's hypocritical to preach equality, and yet we have so many black-only institutions in America that it's ridiculous. It's reverse segregation and reverse racism.

Very well said, man. Couldn't agree more.

[Ehud Elijah]

Osteen is ridiculous. You need more than a good feeling to be right before God Almighty.

If I just wanted a good feeling, then I would listen to Polyphonic Spree and watch Joel Osteen, and I would probably feel great all of the time.

I want to know Christ. Therefore, it's not about what I want or feel, it's about Him.

[VerbumReale]

No, the Antichrist is in office now... GWB.



I have to agree with you.


Did you actually think before you posted? What a joke!


Indeed it is interesting how some people conveniently dissapear from a thread when their blatant hypocrisy is pointed out to them.

[middletree]

Osteen is ridiculous. You need more than a good feeling to be right before God Almighty.

If I just wanted a good feeling, then I would listen to Polyphonic Spree and watch Joel Osteen, and I would probably feel great all of the time.

I want to know Christ. Therefore, it's not about what I want or feel, it's about Him.

I agree, but let's not drag the great Polyphonic Spree to that guy's level. I like the Spree. Two members are friends of mine.

[Jake]

Indeed it is interesting how some people conveniently dissapear from a thread when their blatant hypocrisy is pointed out to them.


Yea, I wondered about that one myself. I've checked back almost every day to see if JL ever replied, and still haven't seen it.

[Ehud Elijah]

I agree, but let's not drag the great Polyphonic Spree to that guy's level. I like the Spree. Two members are friends of mine.

Agreed. The drummer owns a cool little venue a few blocks from my firm here in Birmingham.

I get more out of the Spree than Osteen anyway.

[faithingod]

not likkely but i still dont want him as president!

[middletree]

not likkely but i still dont want him as president!

Who? Obama? The Spree Drummer? Osteen?

[faithingod]

Who? Obama? The Spree Drummer? Osteen?

yes Obama! id rather Hilary over him! id rather more of Bush over him!

[rossid]

yes Obama! id rather Hilary over him! id rather more of Bush over him!Now you're talkin'!!! :D

[clemsontigers23]

yes Obama! id rather Hilary over him! id rather more of Bush over him!

I never thought I'd prefer Hillary over anybody but I agree with you here. I wish Bush didn't have to step down. It'd be nice if he could finish the work he started.

[mcgreen311]

As I've said in the past, if I tried to start a church with the same mission statement as TUCC, only substituting the word "white" for "black", I would be accused of being a racist and a card-carrying member of the KKK. It's hypocritical to preach equality, and yet we have so many black-only institutions in America that it's ridiculous. It's reverse segregation and reverse racism.

Well, it's not exactly reverse racism (or segregation), as racism is racism no matter who is being discriminated against. ;)

[clemsontigers23]

Well, it's not exactly reverse racism (or segregation), as racism is racism no matter who is being discriminated against. ;)

True, but racism has traditionally been thought of as white on black racism, which is why people refer to it as "reverse" racism.

[Valpo]

yes Obama! id rather Hilary over him! id rather more of Bush over him!

man, please don't say that. You would not rather have Hillary, she sends a cold chill down my spine every time I hear her speak.

[clemsontigers23]

man, please don't say that. You would not rather have Hillary, she sends a cold chill down my spine every time I hear her speak.

Obama has the same effect on me. ;)

[Valpo]

Obama has the same effect on me. ;)

I can't believe that. Listen, say what you will about Barack, but the guys got charisma. I don't care for much of his positions on issues, but he is a very inspirational person and I find him as a person quite likable. Hillary on the other hand, I can hardly stomach. Her voice is literally a shrill, Barack has a soothing voice, so I don't see how it could be likened to a shrill or even comparable to Hillary's. But whatever

[cheewiee]

I can't believe that. Listen, say what you will about Barack, but the guys got charisma. I don't care for much of his positions on issues, but he is a very inspirational person and I find him as a person quite likable. Hillary on the other hand, I can hardly stomach. Her voice is literally a shrill, Barack has a soothing voice, so I don't see how it could be likened to a shrill or even comparable to Hillary's. But whatever

I agree... If She is elected President, I am cutting my cable and getting netflix during her administration....

[rossid]

No way Obama's church will lose their tax-exempt status.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337308,00.html

The YouTube video will not load for me - CAUTION on the language the article says.

[rossid]

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, appears to be his spiritual adviser.

Nothing surprising in this article.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/

[clemsontigers23]

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, appears to be his spiritual adviser.

Nothing surprising in this article.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/

I hope everyone reads this. E, don't forget to ask him about this. This is just ridiculous.

[Les_Is_More]

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, appears to be his spiritual adviser.

Nothing surprising in this article.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/

I heard some sound clips on the radio of Rev. Wright. He is a scary man. He made so many anti-American statements. And to think that Obama gets advise from this guy. :eek:

The US supports terrorism against the Palestinians!?!?! Is he crazy?

[clemsontigers23]

I heard some sound clips on the radio of Rev. Wright. He is a scary man. He made so many anti-American statements. And to think that Obama gets advise from this guy. :eek:

The US supports terrorism against the Palestinians!?!?! Is he crazy?

Boy, you haven't heard the half of it. This guy calls us the "KKKA", says that Obama has had to grow up in a country controlled by "rich white folk" and that Hillary doesn't know what it's like to be called a "n" word, which also brings into question the church's tax-exempt status.

His sermon was titled "God D*** America" and he also said the US wanted the HIV virus to wipe out colored folks. I mean the guy is crazy, he is on an advisory board of some sort for Obama's campaign, and Obama only half-heartedly denounced his statements. My thing is that Obama's been going to this church for 20 YEARS, had his daughters baptized by this man, named his autobiography after a sermon this man did, and considers this man his "spiritual advisor." That's scary. Also, when the Senate was getting ready to pass a resolution labeling an Iranian militant group that has been largely responsible for killing American soldiers in Iran as a "terrorist" group, Obama walked out of the meeting and refused to vote! Wright is a big supporter of the Palestinians, believes Israel to be a terrorist state, and also says America's "terrorism" brought on 9/11. How can Obama listen to this for 20 years and NOT be affected? 20 YEARS? I would be out of there in 20 seconds if I heard this kind of talk! The worst part is this person's supposed to represent the Church of Christ. Wow, just wow. I am shocked.

[Evanescence]

I have heard no word back from him since I sent the questions...I hope I can work him hard....

He HAS some valid points BUT his appraoch and presentation is horrid. yeah...why would Obama want to be a part of such a thing....

Thats alright, I don't any of them 'cause they're all CFR....and the Dems...for universal health care. I don't/won't trust the Govt to oversee our health care...and I know it'll mean more taxes....

[rossid]

No link needed, I'm tired of the Reverend Wright stuff, but we'll see if Obama suffers long-term.

[Jesuslove]

On a sidenote, I happened to see Obama yesterday as he was leaving the National Constitution Center. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Whether or not he becomes President, he has a presidental look about him.

On a sidenote, I have been away for a few weeks due to a death in the family, and I'm catching up. I feel like I've missed something. Hope all my fellow board members are well!

[Gaudete]

Is Obama's church UCC or COC? Either way, I would be very interested in what his denomination's hierarchy has to say about the Rev. Wright and his messages. Where are they in all this???

[TJL]

Boy, you haven't heard the half of it. This guy calls us the "KKKA", says that Obama has had to grow up in a country controlled by "rich white folk" and that Hillary doesn't know what it's like to be called a "n" word, which also brings into question the church's tax-exempt status.

His sermon was titled "God D*** America" and he also said the US wanted the HIV virus to wipe out colored folks. I mean the guy is crazy, he is on an advisory board of some sort for Obama's campaign, and Obama only half-heartedly denounced his statements. My thing is that Obama's been going to this church for 20 YEARS, had his daughters baptized by this man, named his autobiography after a sermon this man did, and considers this man his "spiritual advisor." That's scary. Also, when the Senate was getting ready to pass a resolution labeling an Iranian militant group that has been largely responsible for killing American soldiers in Iran as a "terrorist" group, Obama walked out of the meeting and refused to vote! Wright is a big supporter of the Palestinians, believes Israel to be a terrorist state, and also says America's "terrorism" brought on 9/11. How can Obama listen to this for 20 years and NOT be affected? 20 YEARS? I would be out of there in 20 seconds if I heard this kind of talk! The worst part is this person's supposed to represent the Church of Christ. Wow, just wow. I am shocked.

Kind of sounds like this mindset:
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php

Blessings,
Terri

[Debbie]

On a sidenote, I happened to see Obama yesterday as he was leaving the National Constitution Center. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Whether or not he becomes President, he has a presidental look about him.

I like to dress coolish-rockish, doesn't mean I can sing a lick - I assure you I know what I am talking about. :)

On a sidenote, I have been away for a few weeks due to a death in the family, and I'm catching up. I feel like I've missed something. Hope all my fellow board members are well!

Sorry to hear that JL. Hope your finding a bit of normalcy now.

[Johnny 59]

What New York Sun columnist, KEN BLACKWELL, says About OBAMA.

Wednesday, March 11, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: What Ken Blackwell has to say about Obama: - Columnist for the New York Sun.

It's an amazing time to be alive in America. We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America. But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."
Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitution al. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban on all handguns in the state. These are radical Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.
Subject: Kind of scary, wouldn't you think? Remember--God is good, and is in time, on time, every time. According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy..I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.

http://www2.nysun.com/article/71278

[TJL]

What New York Sun columnist, KEN BLACKWELL, says About OBAMA.

Wednesday, March 11, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: What Ken Blackwell has to say about Obama: - Columnist for the New York Sun.

It's an amazing time to be alive in America. We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America. But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."
Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitution al. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban on all handguns in the state. These are radical Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.
Subject: Kind of scary, wouldn't you think? Remember--God is good, and is in time, on time, every time. According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy..I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.

http://www2.nysun.com/article/71278

Very nicely stated. I'm with you as are many whom I know, white, and black, and everything in between. He seems to be attracting a large portion of younger Americans. If we don't know who to vote for then we should perhaps vote against.

Blessings,
Terri

[Howlin' Wolf]

The US supports terrorism against the Palestinians!?!?! Is he crazy?

its our tanks and F-16's that are killing palestinians.

Subject: Kind of scary, wouldn't you think? Remember--God is good, and is in time, on time, every time. According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy..I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.


actually, its Left Behind that says that.

[Les_Is_More]

its our tanks and F-16's that are killing palestinians.

Israel is just defending what they believe is their property from radical Islamists. Sorry for changing the subject. Back to talking about NObama 08. :D

[WeaselInYerFoot]

Israel is just defending what they believe is their property from radical Islamists. Sorry for changing the subject. Back to talking about NObama 08. :D

Palestinians are NOT radical Islamists. Just had to point that out. Sorry, no hijack intended :D

[TJL]

its our tanks and F-16's that are killing palestinians.



actually, its Left Behind that says that.

That is dependent on how you might interpret this scripture.

Daniel 11:21-45

21 And in his place shall stand up a vile person to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom; but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him and shall be broken, yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league is made with him he shall work deceitfully, for he shall come up and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers: he shall scatter among them the plunder and spoil and riches; yea, and he shall plot his devices against the strongholds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army, but he shall not stand, for they shall plot devices against him.
26 Yea, those who feed from the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow; and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper, for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 "At the time appointed he shall return and come toward the south, but it shall not be as the former or as the latter;
30 for the ships of Chittim shall come against him. Therefore he shall be grieved and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant. So shall he do; he shall even return, and have accord with those who forsake the holy covenant.
31 And armies shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place there the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries; but the people who do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And those who understand among the people shall instruct many; yet they shall fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with a little help; but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.
36 "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his place shall he honor the god of forces; and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the greatest strongholds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory. And he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for a price.
40 "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him. And the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape out of his hand: even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and ofsilver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him. Therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy and utterly to sweep away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Blessings,
Terri

[Les_Is_More]

Palestinians are NOT radical Islamists. Just had to point that out. Sorry, no hijack intended :D

I'm talking about the terror attacks aimed at Israel by radical Islamists, coming from Palestine. Of course not Palestinians in general are responsible, but attacks have come from Palestine and Isreal is defending themselves. Maybe we should think about a new thread with the way this topic is headed? :D

[ausgirl]

I would'nt want to be you guys having to choose between him and Hilary - ouch - what a choice!

[Howlin' Wolf]

I'm talking about the terror attacks aimed at Israel by radical Islamists, coming from Palestine. Of course not Palestinians in general are responsible, but attacks have come from Palestine and Isreal is defending themselves. Maybe we should think about a new thread with the way this topic is headed? :D

attacks are coming from Israel as well. You can believe the hype that all Israel is doing is defending herself. when you use terrorism to claim your land, expect to defend it from terrorism.

[Howlin' Wolf]

That is dependent on how you might interpret this scripture.

Daniel 11:21-45

21 And in his place shall stand up a vile person to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom; but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him and shall be broken, yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league is made with him he shall work deceitfully, for he shall come up and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers: he shall scatter among them the plunder and spoil and riches; yea, and he shall plot his devices against the strongholds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army, but he shall not stand, for they shall plot devices against him.
26 Yea, those who feed from the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow; and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper, for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 "At the time appointed he shall return and come toward the south, but it shall not be as the former or as the latter;
30 for the ships of Chittim shall come against him. Therefore he shall be grieved and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant. So shall he do; he shall even return, and have accord with those who forsake the holy covenant.
31 And armies shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place there the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries; but the people who do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And those who understand among the people shall instruct many; yet they shall fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with a little help; but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.
36 "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his place shall he honor the god of forces; and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the greatest strongholds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory. And he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for a price.
40 "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him. And the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape out of his hand: even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and ofsilver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him. Therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy and utterly to sweep away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Blessings,
Terri

i wouldnt interpret this like you and Tim Lahaye.

[mcgreen311]

Subject: Kind of scary, wouldn't you think? Remember--God is good, and is in time, on time, every time. According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy..I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.

Can we say it is someone of Muslim descent when it is a religion, not an ethnicity ,and when Islam was not around at the time the NT was written down?

[Les_Is_More]

attacks are coming from Israel as well. You can believe the hype that all Israel is doing is defending herself. when you use terrorism to claim your land, expect to defend it from terrorism.

If both are using terrorism, according to you, why are you applying the blame on Israel/US? Seems to me that both sides would then be in the wrong, but instead you intend on using "American" tanks and F-16s as scapegoats.

[Joseph]

well what msn news is saying he is thinking about dropping out.

not sure if it true, but not impress with him. he really not offering anything ever time I hear him talk he putting down our current president and mcain

[TJL]

i wouldnt interpret this like you and Tim Lahaye.

Really? So how might I interpret that scripture, because it is not the same as Tim Lahaye?

Blessings,;)
Terri

[rossid]

You're thinking of Walter Mondale. :D


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354033,00.html

Spike Lee Wants Rev. Wright to 'Do the Right Thing'

Director Spike Lee wants Reverend Jeremiah Wright to do the right thing and shut up. Lee tells the British newspaper The Guardian, "Jeremiah Wright needs to be quiet. If he loves Barack Obama he needs to shut up right now."

[Les_Is_More]

Obama resigns from controversial church.

Story here (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/31/obama.church/index.html).

[Aussie3rddayfan]

There's is not much worse than a preacher who uses the pulpit as a tool of political gain. This man's message is a disgrace to church and to faith he says he believes.

[rossid]

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

Did Obama refuse to place his hand over his heart?
Apparently but does it make a difference?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

The rest of this video is stuff some of us have heard.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

Did Obama refuse to place his hand over his heart?
Apparently but does it make a difference?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

The rest of this video is stuff some of us have heard.

The first link you have posted is not very credible to my mind. They seem to go out of their way to label him as Barrack Hussein Obama. So what?

[Gaudete]

Well, friends, looks like Obama's got it sewn up as of today's primaries. Heaven help us all.

[caninemom]

Okay. Here goes. I do not usually make political comments. I happen to LIKE Sen. Obama. Heaven help us if McSame gets in.

[Gaudete]

Heaven help us if McSame gets in.

Well, yeah, I'm not wild about him, either. Obama does, however, scare me more. This is the first election that I can remember where I don't want to vote for anyone. And I've been voting for 28 years.

[Howlin' Wolf]

why would obama scare anybody?

george w is our president now!!! that is scary!







HandSMACK!

[caninemom]

why would obama scare anybody?

george w is our president now!!! that is scary!

I could not agree with you more !! :eek:

[Les_Is_More]

george w is our president now!!! that is scary!

At least GW doesn't tax us to high heaven like we will be with Obama in office. I don't like any of our options for president. :(

[Debbie]

McSame


I don't get it. What am I missing here?

[Debbie]

Well, friends, looks like Obama's got it sewn up as of today's primaries. Heaven help us all.

I haven't heard the news. Tell me it isn't so!!

[Debbie]

I would'nt want to be you guys having to choose between him and Hilary - ouch - what a choice!

I'll take Hillary any day over Obama. Regardless, I'm not voting on that side of the fence.....

And I bite my tongue, now....

[Howlin' Wolf]

At least GW doesn't tax us to high heaven like we will be with Obama in office. I don't like any of our options for president. :(

He only starts wars wich directly affect gasoline prices. Generally wars boost an economy. He has found a way to fight 2 wars while kill the economy.

the only good thing about his presidency is will ferrell and his parodies of his presidency.

[poman]

I'll take Hillary any day over Obama. Regardless, I'm not voting on that side of the fence.....

And I bite my tongue, now....

AMEN, Sister!!!!!!:P

[ausgirl]

I still can't get over the l....e....n....g...t...h of your elections! I couldn't stand it.

[Aussie3rddayfan]

I still can't get over the l....e....n....g...t...h of your elections! I couldn't stand it.

Yes. Listening to Kevin Rudd use the words "working families" over and over and over and over again became very tiresome. Thankfully we've been screened from the brunt of the nominations here in Auz somewhat.

And it's only just begun too. Now that Obama is the democrats nominee we can focus on what's really important. Whether the US gets its first black president or a guy with a name similar of Bruce Willis' best roles.

[ausgirl]

'When it comes to elections'....... I have little patience - hahaha - only my Aussie friends will get that! ;)

[Evanescence]

There's BS propaganda on both sides...on both candidates....

[Aussie3rddayfan]

There's BS propaganda on both sides...on both candidates....

"Politicians can't win elections without propaganda." - Aussie3rddayfan -

[Les_Is_More]

He only starts wars wich directly affect gasoline prices. Generally wars boost an economy. He has found a way to fight 2 wars while kill the economy.

the only good thing about his presidency is will ferrell and his parodies of his presidency.

I'm not a GW fan/supporter, but I don't blame him solely for causing the high gas prices. For one, the US has WAY too few oil refineries. A new refinery (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iks-EeSO5tpcA_9UTgtAshOaVVZAD 9136DOG0) just got approved, but is being protested by tree-hugging liberals. Figures! :rolleyes: Also, higher demand in China and India pushes the price up.

I would blame the delusional Enviromentalists more for the high gas prices than GW. Due to our technology these days, our energy crisis can be solved using clean, high-tech oil extractors/refineries, garbage burners, and nuclear power. However, the crazy Enviromentalists are set on sacrificing man to nature by stopping industrial activity.

Sorry for the detour. Back to NObama. :D

[Evanescence]

yeah, we NEED new oil....they claim there's 25-30 billion barrels in AMWR. Reports of MORE....WAY more are talked about but not proven....

I relaly think they have our oil planned years in advanced. In other words, they know when we're going to use what from where etc etc. When Mex runs out, they'll tap into the other stuff they've been sitting on.

Careful conservation through corruption..:cool:

[rossid]

yeah, we NEED new oil....they claim there's 25-30 billion barrels in AMWR. Reports of MORE....WAY more are talked about but not proven....

I relaly think they have our oil planned years in advanced. In other words, they know when we're going to use what from where etc etc. When Mex runs out, they'll tap into the other stuff they've been sitting on.

Careful conservation through corruption..:cool:

I've never thought of it that way but I agree with this 'plan'.

It is kind of like my theory on 'new' products. Do companies have new ideas? No, they knew ten years ago they were going to come out with a Baby Ruth Seventh Inning Stretch, sorry, I couldn't think of anything of the top of my had.

So yes there can be a plan, I agree with you, ...

:eek:

*must shower and get rid of this feeling*