Clinton

[Jesuslove]

I had the priviledge of seeing Bill Clinton speak today on behalf of his wife's campaign. He spoke at Camden County College in Blackwood NJ. I stood about 25 feet from him. He is amazing. He spoke for about 45 minutes unscripted. It's the first time I've ever seen someone famous speak, though I once had a close encounter with Pope John Paul II. I am still in awe from today. He's an amazing man. On a sidenote, aside from Hillary supporters, there was a large contingent of Ron Paul supporters.

[Valpo]

Did he freak out turning beat red and play the race card at all?

saw a clip on breitbart showing chelsea confront a group of ron paul supporters who were protesting her outside a coffee house. She spoke to the head guy briefly and invited them in, to watch the Paul supporters declined.

[mat1583]

I had the priviledge of seeing Bill Clinton speak today on behalf of his wife's campaign. He spoke at Camden County College in Blackwood NJ. I stood about 25 feet from him. He is amazing. He spoke for about 45 minutes unscripted. It's the first time I've ever seen someone famous speak, though I once had a close encounter with Pope John Paul II. I am still in awe from today. He's an amazing man. On a sidenote, aside from Hillary supporters, there was a large contingent of Ron Paul supporters.

As a speaker, I like him much better than ol' George.

-washboard

[rossid]

Did he freak out turning beat red and play the race card at all?

ROTFLMBO!!! :D

[Valpo]

As a speaker, I like him much better than ol' George.

-washboard

Chelsea's better than either of them. Maybe because she's actually easy on the eyes. Although you know what they say about girls, best way to know what they're going to look like later in life is by looking at their mother. Well I'm a lookin', and I'm not likin'! ;)

Clinton ship is going down

Wanna talk about a heck of a speaker, check out Barack's victory speech from SC. (this coming from a McCain supporter and not an Obama one)

[VerbumReale]

Did he freak out turning beat red and play the race card at all?

saw a clip on breitbart showing chelsea confront a group of ron paul supporters who were protesting her outside a coffee house. She spoke to the head guy briefly and invited them in, to watch the Paul supporters declined.


They were protesting Chelsea??

[Valpo]

They were protesting Chelsea??

Well yeah because she was speaking on behalf of her mother at a coffee shop event.

[Jesuslove]

Did he freak out turning beat red and play the race card at all?

saw a clip on breitbart showing chelsea confront a group of ron paul supporters who were protesting her outside a coffee house. She spoke to the head guy briefly and invited them in, to watch the Paul supporters declined.

No, the name "Obama" never was mentioned. Instead he focused on all that good Hillary has done over the years from college days up until present.

[Valpo]

No, the name "Obama" never was mentioned. Instead he focused on all that good Hillary has done over the years from college days up until present.

so how in the world did he stretch that out to 45 minutes??

[Jesuslove]

so how in the world did he stretch that out to 45 minutes??

It was a good speech about her accomplishments....many of which aren't covered by the mainstream media...

hmmmm... Imagine that!

And no, Obama's name was never mentioned, not even once.

[Valpo]

It was a good speech about her accomplishments....many of which aren't covered by the mainstream media...

hmmmm... Imagine that!

And no, Obama's name was never mentioned, not even once.

I'm a citizen of NY, I know all about her "accomplishments" and I don't take the bait. A Hillary Clinton presidency does nothing for this country. Dems are running from her and Republicans loathe her. Don't we want this country to heal?? How is Clinton going to do that?

[Jesuslove]

I'm a citizen of NY, I know all about her "accomplishments" and I don't take the bait. A Hillary Clinton presidency does nothing for this country. Dems are running from her and Republicans loathe her. Don't we want this country to heal?? How is Clinton going to do that?

I'm shocked to hear you say that Republicans loathe (or hate) Hillary. That's unChristian. I don't hate GW Bush. I just hate his actions that have divided our country, and made us worse off than we were 8 years ago. I don't see Hillary as hateful. During the debates, she comes across as the most articulate candidate on either side of the aisle; whether or not you agree with her positions. She is clearly very intelligent, and her positions are well thought out.

[Valpo]

I'm shocked to hear you say that Republicans loathe (or hate) Hillary. That's unChristian. I don't hate GW Bush. I just hate his actions that have divided our country, and made us worse off than we were 8 years ago. I don't see Hillary as hateful. During the debates, she comes across as the most articulate candidate on either side of the aisle; whether or not you agree with her positions. She is clearly very intelligent, and her positions are well thought out.

I never said "I loathe Hillary." I said Republicans do, and many do. Hillary is a divider, not a uniter. We need a uniter.

[clemsontigers23]

Did he freak out turning beat red and play the race card at all?

saw a clip on breitbart showing chelsea confront a group of ron paul supporters who were protesting her outside a coffee house. She spoke to the head guy briefly and invited them in, to watch the Paul supporters declined.

I saw the "racial" things he said and he was 100% right, as much as it hurts me to say that. Jesse Jackson did win in '84 and '88 in South Carolina for one reason and one reason only. You can stick your head in the sand and deny it all you want, but it doesn't change the truth.

[Jesuslove]

I never said "I loathe Hillary." I said Republicans do, and many do. Hillary is a divider, not a uniter. We need a uniter.

How has Hillary divided?

[Debbie]

As a speaker, I like him much better than ol' George.

-washboard

Hey Matt!

I might be wrong in my observation, but ol' George does pretty good in front of Congress, etc. Giving speeches isn't a big problem for him. It is when he is in front of the press he studders a bit. I am okay with that - cause, I too would be like, "can you please repeat the 10th question you just asked me"?

Questions are taken one reporter at a time, but they ask several questions in one sentence. I think I would be trying to answer the 1st one while trying to remember the other 7 and just lose my whole train of thought.

Anywho, Bill Clinton is an exceptional speaker.

[Valpo]

Jesus Love

How is Hillary a divider? Are you serious

over 50% of people said they would without a doubt not vote for her.

Michigan Primary she was the only one on the ballot and only won with 54% of the vote. That means people literally left their homes to vote "Nobody" on the ballot.

Need I continue?

[Debbie]

She won in Florida today with 50%.

McCain won with 3?% something

[Valpo]

36%

No one campaigned in FL, and she was shrilling tonight in her victory speech that she would fight for every delegate in FL. Just weeks ago she said FL delegates don't matter.

[Debbie]

Thinking after the SC bit, her confidence level has shifted. Should she get elected, hopefully by the time she gets there, she will be humbled a little.

[HotWireD]

so how in the world did he stretch that out to 45 minutes??

Cracking comment - gave me a good laugh. Well done! :D

[Mr.Elwood]

Thinking after the SC bit, her confidence level has shifted. Should she get elected, hopefully by the time she gets there, she will be humbled a little.

a Clinton humble??? BWAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!

If they had ever worked in the private sector (for real and ot just for name recognition) you might have had a chance, but since they have always been paid to be the "Clintons" humble isn't in the vocabulary.

[Jesuslove]

Jesus Love

How is Hillary a divider? Are you serious

over 50% of people said they would without a doubt not vote for her.

Michigan Primary she was the only one on the ballot and only won with 54% of the vote. That means people literally left their homes to vote "Nobody" on the ballot.

Need I continue?

She won Florida with more than 50% of the vote. If she is such a divider and such a bad senator, why is she far ahead in the polls in New York and Arkansas?

[Jesuslove]

a Clinton humble??? BWAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!

If they had ever worked in the private sector (for real and ot just for name recognition) you might have had a chance, but since they have always been paid to be the "Clintons" humble isn't in the vocabulary.

don't see GWB as humble, but I guess that's ok.

[Valpo]

She won Florida with more than 50% of the vote. If she is such a divider and such a bad senator, why is she far ahead in the polls in New York and Arkansas?

her husband was governor in arkansas and she's a senator in NY!

No one else campaigned in Florida, neither did she. Has Obama campaigned hard there he would have trimmed that considerably, but he didn't because the delegates dont count.

[Jesuslove]

her husband was governor in arkansas and she's a senator in NY!

No one else campaigned in Florida, neither did she. Has Obama campaigned hard there he would have trimmed that considerably, but he didn't because the delegates dont count.

Well if she was a divider, why would New Yorkers, who tend be very opinionated people, and very passionate people, re-elect her, or support her presidential bid?

[Valpo]

Well if she was a divider, why would New Yorkers, who tend be very opinionated people, and very passionate people, re-elect her, or support her presidential bid?

Actually you're right, I spoke to soon. She is a uniter of the Republican Party. There is no single candidate that could fully unite that party other than Hillary Clinton. Not too mention bring Conservative Democrats to the side of a Republican Candidate.

Here is why she won NY: She was trailing in the polls before Rudy dropped out of the senate race with cancer. And then she ran against a "Who is that?" Congressman from Long Island (my own). Lazio did not stand a chance against the Clinton Machine. Also then she ran against some schmo mayor from white plains who had less name recognition that Lazio did in 2000. And let's be honest here, NY bleeds blue, no surprise she ran there. She began running for President in 2000 when she ran for senate. People called it then even when she denied it, and well whaddya know, here she is. She had to run and win Senate in New York, otherwise she would have went away a long time ago. Her so called popularity in a dark blue state is hardly justification for her broad appeal. Gosh aside from that, that shrill in her voice is enough to give someone nightmares.

[Jesuslove]

Actually you're right, I spoke to soon. She is a uniter of the Republican Party. There is no single candidate that could fully unite that party other than Hillary Clinton. Not too mention bring Conservative Democrats to the side of a Republican Candidate.

Here is why she won NY: She was trailing in the polls before Rudy dropped out of the senate race with cancer. And then she ran against a "Who is that?" Congressman from Long Island (my own). Lazio did not stand a chance against the Clinton Machine. Also then she ran against some schmo mayor from white plains who had less name recognition that Lazio did in 2000. And let's be honest here, NY bleeds blue, no surprise she ran there. She began running for President in 2000 when she ran for senate. People called it then even when she denied it, and well whaddya know, here she is. She had to run and win Senate in New York, otherwise she would have went away a long time ago. Her so called popularity in a dark blue state is hardly justification for her broad appeal. Gosh aside from that, that shrill in her voice is enough to give someone nightmares.

OK.. but this time she's running against Obama, a formidable candidate. And if New Yorkers really disliked her, she wouldn't be leading in the polls by double digits. Granted she faced two no-names in the last two elections. But look at Rudy now. Rudy completely screwed up his campaign. He had a good chance of winning it all, but he ignored Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. There was no rebound after that.

[Jesuslove]

Valpo,
Would you actually not vote for someone because of their voice? That seems a bit shallow. And what exactly do you dislike about her?

[Valpo]

Valpo,
Would you actually not vote for someone because of their voice? That seems a bit shallow. And what exactly do you dislike about her?

No, I wouldn't not vote for someone for their voice, but it's her whole persona. I do not like the bullying muscling up that the Clinton Machine has ever done. Bill did it, but got away with it. Somehow Bill came across as some Liberal Champion of the people when the Republican Congress was pushing many of the economic policies through that made the 90s so strong. The Clintons are about the Clintons and not the country. Hillary is banking her entire campaign upon her being Bill's backbone in the White House and Governor's Mansion. I can't even think of a half important bill passed or introduced with her name on it. Hillary is about Hillary, and some women buy into the false notion of her being their supreme champion. I would be thrilled to have a woman president, but not this one. She would not unite this country at all. I thought this election was about change and uniting this country. Hillary would not work with Republicans and Republicans would not work with her. That's a great divider right there. She is also two faced. She blew off Michigan and Florida then claimed great victories in each state after in Michigan she was the only name on the ballot, and in Florida she agreed the delegates wouldn't count and she wouldn't campaign there. No one else campaigned in Florida. And her behavior last night was ridiculous. Not too mention the recent behavior of Bill. Fellow Democrats are running from her: Kerry, Kennedy are two huge blows to her campaign. Why won't they support her? I mean I cannot say I agree with Senator Kerry on much, but on Imus' program this morning he made an excellent point that I agree with. She will not unite this country, this country is need of healing, and a Hillary Clinton presidency could never accomplish that.

[Valpo]

OK.. but this time she's running against Obama, a formidable candidate. And if New Yorkers really disliked her, she wouldn't be leading in the polls by double digits.

First of all, I have to re-iterate that I never said all NYers don't like her. And again re-iterate a dark blue state being for her is no justification for her broad appeal.

Secondly, Mayor Giuliani's presidential campaign failure has nothing to do with her.

[Jesuslove]

No, I wouldn't not vote for someone for their voice, but it's her whole persona. I do not like the bullying muscling up that the Clinton Machine has ever done. Bill did it, but got away with it. Somehow Bill came across as some Liberal Champion of the people when the Republican Congress was pushing many of the economic policies through that made the 90s so strong. The Clintons are about the Clintons and not the country. Hillary is banking her entire campaign upon her being Bill's backbone in the White House and Governor's Mansion. I can't even think of a half important bill passed or introduced with her name on it. Hillary is about Hillary, and some women buy into the false notion of her being their supreme champion. I would be thrilled to have a woman president, but not this one. She would not unite this country at all. I thought this election was about change and uniting this country. Hillary would not work with Republicans and Republicans would not work with her. That's a great divider right there. She is also two faced. She blew off Michigan and Florida then claimed great victories in each state after in Michigan she was the only name on the ballot, and in Florida she agreed the delegates wouldn't count and she wouldn't campaign there. No one else campaigned in Florida. And her behavior last night was ridiculous. Not too mention the recent behavior of Bill. Fellow Democrats are running from her: Kerry, Kennedy are two huge blows to her campaign. Why won't they support her? I mean I cannot say I agree with Senator Kerry on much, but on Imus' program this morning he made an excellent point that I agree with. She will not unite this country, this country is need of healing, and a Hillary Clinton presidency could never accomplish that.

Who are the Clinton's bullying? I saw Bill speak yesterday... not ONE mention of Obama. If you are giving credit to the Republicans for the strong economy in the 1990's, then in all fairness, you have to give some of the credit to Bill as he signed off on the policies and budgets.

What's wrong with Hillary campaigning in Florida? If the delegates don't count, she's wasting HER time, while her opponent is campaigning in states where the votes count. What did she do last night that was ridiculous?? Gave a speech? Kerry is a has been, who couldn't win the election against a weak Bush in 2004, so I don't see him as being someone who people will listen to.

You still haven't answer how she will divide the country....

Speaking of dividing our country, do you think GWB has united the country? The country is more divided now than ever, as evidenced by his ratings. He won the 2004 election with 51% of the vote, and he pronounced that "a mandate from the voters". Yet none of his promises, particularly those on social issues, have ever resulted in a changed law (i.e. abortion).

[Jesuslove]

First of all, I have to re-iterate that I never said all NYers don't like her. And again re-iterate a dark blue state being for her is no justification for her broad appeal.

Secondly, Mayor Giuliani's presidential campaign failure has nothing to do with her.

You said she is a divider and people don't like her... yet she has a wide lead in the NY poll. If she didn't carry New York, I would agree with you, but she appears to have a double digit lead in New York.

Giuliani's campaign failure had nothing to do with Hillary, however he's not electible. From what I understand, HE is very unpopular ESPECIALLY in New York City.

[Valpo]

You are completely missing my point with NY. NY is undoubtedly a bleeding heart Liberal state. Hillary being popular in a state that Democrats are guaranteed to win no matter who runs is no justification for her appeal. The Democrats need to take states away from Republicans that Bush won in 2004 in order to win in 2008. Hillary Clinton cannot take any of those states away.

As to your question as to whether President Bush has been a uniter, I think it is clear early on he was, but stubbornly listened to policies of people he trusted, and that has always been his flaw. Try as he may, he has not united this country. Between 49-51% of people have said under no circumstance would they ever vote for her. That shows she is no uniter, but a divider.

[Jesuslove]

You are completely missing my point with NY. NY is undoubtedly a bleeding heart Liberal state. Hillary being popular in a state that Democrats are guaranteed to win no matter who runs is no justification for her appeal. The Democrats need to take states away from Republicans that Bush won in 2004 in order to win in 2008. Hillary Clinton cannot take any of those states away.

As to your question as to whether President Bush has been a uniter, I think it is clear early on he was, but stubbornly listened to policies of people he trusted, and that has always been his flaw. Try as he may, he has not united this country. Between 49-51% of people have said under no circumstance would they ever vote for her. That shows she is no uniter, but a divider.

You are missing my point. In a close election between Obama and Clinton, Clinton is doing very well in NY state. If she is a divider, she wouldn't be doing well in her home state of NY. I think Hillary can take states in the next election. I feel the next election will be more about issues, than personality. Where did you see the poll that said 49% to 51% won't vote for her?

[Valpo]

You are missing my point. In a close election between Obama and Clinton, Clinton is doing very well in NY state. If she is a divider, she wouldn't be doing well in her home state of NY. I think Hillary can take states in the next election. I feel the next election will be more about issues, than personality. Where did you see the poll that said 49% to 51% won't vote for her?

That stats been out there for a while, but I heard CNN report it again last night. The actual woman who said it was that young African American woman on the panel with Anderson Cooper and that whole gang there.

And once again, Hillary winning NY essentially means nothing, because Democrats should win NY against the Republicans anyway. Tell me one state Hillary can win back to Democrats that Bush won in 2004. She cannot do it. And Hillary better hope the election is about personality, and not issues because she has essentially nothing to run on. At least in the case of Obama being the Democratic nominee he can say, and be on record for it, that he was against going to Iraq from the beginning. Hillary voted for it then abandoned the mission for political reasons and against what seems more and more each day to be a Republican candidate of John McCain who stuck with Iraq even when it was popular not to, she would get killed. McCain called for the surge all along, and the surge is working. He has been consistent, Hillary has not. She pandered to the far left to get her votes in place for her run.

The general election is not just about getting Democrats to vote for you, one needs broad appeal, and Hillary does not have that. Obama could appeal to Republicans, she cannot and will not. Moderates, Independents, and Conservative Democrats like McCain and many would vote for him in a general election, especially against Clinton. In order for the Democratic Party to win, Obama would have to be the nominee.

[Jesuslove]

That stats been out there for a while, but I heard CNN report it again last night. The actual woman who said it was that young African American woman on the panel with Anderson Cooper and that whole gang there.

And once again, Hillary winning NY essentially means nothing, because Democrats should win NY against the Republicans anyway. Tell me one state Hillary can win back to Democrats that Bush won in 2004. She cannot do it.

The general election is not just about getting Democrats to vote for you, one needs broad appeal, and Hillary does not have that. Obama could appeal to Republicans, she cannot and will not. Moderates, Independents, and Conservative Democrats like McCain and many would vote for him in a general election, especially against Clinton. In order for the Democratic Party to win, Obama would have to be the nominee.
I watched Donna Basile last night on Anderson Cooper and I didn't hear her say that.

Hillary is up against Barack, so her winning NY is a big deal.

As for states that may go from Red to Blue, I suspect Arkansas and New Mexico could change, and there is a possibility Florida and Ohio could change too.

As for McCain, I disagree with you. Eight years ago, he could have attracted moderate voters. Two-thirds of Americans are against the war, yet he supports it. That's not a moderate position. Also, his immigration reform is unpopular on both sides of the aisle. McCain's solutions to the nation's woes aren't popular today among moderate Americans.

[Valpo]

Disagree with straight facts, McCain has garnered considerable moderate support this election season.

And my point with McCain is he stood by his position on Iraq and didn't run from it when it was politically savvy to do so. Ron Paul was consistent from the start against it. Obama was consistent from the start, Hillary was not.

[Jesuslove]

Disagree with straight facts, McCain has garnered considerable moderate support this election season.

And my point with McCain is he stood by his position on Iraq and didn't run from it when it was politically savvy to do so. Ron Paul was consistent from the start against it. Obama was consistent from the start, Hillary was not.

McCain received less than 40% of the vote in Florida. He's not a favorite many conservative Christians due to some of his stances, such as immigration reform.

[Valpo]

McCain received less than 40% of the vote in Florida. He's not a favorite many conservative Christians due to some of his stances, such as immigration reform.

What that has to do with Hillary Clinton I have no idea. Many conservatives would back McCain against Hillary. Just because raving ranters like Limbaugh and convicts like Delay don't like McCain doesn't mean the actual people would not coalesce to vote against Hillary in November.