South Carolina Primaries/Nevada Caucuses

[clemsontigers23]

John McCain took South Carolina with a 33-30 margin over Huckabee. The Democrats have their primary in South Carolina next week where Obama is expected to pick up the black vote and the win.

Clinton won Nevada with a 51-45 margin over Obama while Edwards only got 4% in a state where unions are key players in choosing the nominees. Edwards is supposedly the union candidate. Romney took Nevada with a 51-13-13 margin over Paul and McCain. Only 50,000 people voted in the polls, so compared to around 500,000 voting in Carolina, the win doesn't mean much.

It's a little shocking that Huckabee didn't win Carolina, one of the states with the highest evangelical populations, so I don't see where else he can win. It looks like it's a 3-way race between McCain, Romney, and Giuliani. If Giuliani loses Florida, then it more than likely becomes a race between McCain and Romney. It's almost a lock that McCain will win the nomination now and because he's getting a lot of the moderate vote and the independent vote, he's the only candidate who can beat either Obama or Hillary. At this point I'm throwing my support behind McCain.

Duncan Hunter finally gave up, and Fred Thompson, Kucinich, Edwards, and Ron Paul probably won't be too far behind. Fred himself called Carolina a must-win state for him and he barely beat out Romney for 3rd, even though Romney bailed out of Carolina.

The reason I say Huckabee is done is because the only vote he's getting at this point is the Christian vote. In Carolina, the biggest Christian state in terms of voting in primaries, he only beat McCain 41-27 with the evangelical vote. With non-Christian GOP voters, he got hammered 38-12 by McCain. Once he reaches states like California and New York, I don't see any way he can compete if he can't even win a Southern state he was expected to win.

[Valpo]

At this point I'm throwing my support behind McCain.



Atta boy! Hey Hucks a nice man I think, but can't win the general. And even if you disagree with McCain on somethings, you know exactly what you're getting with him. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Mitt Romney who changes positions based upon the office or job he is seeking. Good to have ya on board man.

And I gotta say something about the Republican Candidates. Aside from Mitt, I think overall people as a whole should be happy with the lack of venom in the campaign so far. The last Republican Primary campaign was very classless and distasteful, so like I said "overall", I am happy.

[Andi]

And I gotta say something about the Republican Candidates. Aside from Mitt, I think overall people as a whole should be happy with the lack of venom in the campaign so far. The last Republican Primary campaign was very classless and distasteful, so like I said "overall", I am happy.

I agree, and I hope it stays that way all the way through.

BTW - Should RP not hold, then McCain is our 2nd.

[clemsontigers23]

Atta boy! Hey Hucks a nice man I think, but can't win the general. And even if you disagree with McCain on somethings, you know exactly what you're getting with him. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Mitt Romney who changes positions based upon the office or job he is seeking. Good to have ya on board man.

And I gotta say something about the Republican Candidates. Aside from Mitt, I think overall people as a whole should be happy with the lack of venom in the campaign so far. The last Republican Primary campaign was very classless and distasteful, so like I said "overall", I am happy.

I think Huckabee scares people off because he's so comitted to his faith, and that's why he couldn't win. It's sad, but it's true. I know McCain is a Christian, though, and I'm willing to forgive his "agents of intolerance" comment about evangelicals, although I agree with him about Pat Robertson. He's always been pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to war. It seems like a no-brainer at this point. I really want to hear him talk about economics more, though, because he was opposed to Bush's tax cuts.

[in hiding]

I think Huckabee scares people off because he's so comitted to his faith, and that's why he couldn't win. It's sad, but it's true. I know McCain is a Christian, though, and I'm willing to forgive his "agents of intolerance" comment about evangelicals, although I agree with him about Pat Robertson. He's always been pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to war. It seems like a no-brainer at this point. I really want to hear him talk about economics more, though, because he was opposed to Bush's tax cuts.

mccain is now for the bush tax cuts and for cutting corp taxes. He talks big, now, about spending being out of control (hmmm which republican candidate is he sounding like now???) but doesn't offer an lot of specifics on where he'd cut the spending from (granted i only looked for a minute or so).

here's a quick list of his budget opinions http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Budget_+_Econ omy.htm
* McCain would “maintain status” on spending for:AIDS programs
* Environmental programs
* Foreign aid
* Housing projects
* Job training programs
* Medicaid & Medicare
* Student loan programs

* McCain would “slightly increase” spending for:Education (K-12)
* Law enforcement
* Military & Veterans Benefits
* Border Control

* McCain would “slightly decrease” spending for:NASA
* Welfare

* McCain would eliminate spending for:Arts funding

also noted to decrease spending for Medicaid, Medicare, agriculture, employee pensions, conservation, and student loans.

[Valpo]

Mitt Romney for President

He agrees with you depending on what state he's in or office he is running for

Mitt Romney for President,

more venom in politics and another four years of Republican/Democrats hating each other

Funny thing is I think the thing that scares people most about McCain is that he is willing to work with Democrats and doesn't hate them. Oh and he doesn't want to torture our enemies. These two issues have been most important to Republicans the last 8 years.

[sandyandporter]

IMHO, McCain is who he is and to me that's a breath of fresh air. I would not hesitate to vote for him!

[Jesuslove]

I think Huckabee scares people off because he's so comitted to his faith, and that's why he couldn't win. It's sad, but it's true. I know McCain is a Christian, though, and I'm willing to forgive his "agents of intolerance" comment about evangelicals, although I agree with him about Pat Robertson. He's always been pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and he actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to war. It seems like a no-brainer at this point. I really want to hear him talk about economics more, though, because he was opposed to Bush's tax cuts.

Huck's faith doesn't scare me.... Huckabee scared me the other day when he talked in support of flying the confederate flag over the statehouse in Columbia, SC. I hope Huck wins the nomination, because he will not win the general election.

[clemsontigers23]

Huck's faith doesn't scare me.... Huckabee scared me the other day when he talked in support of flying the confederate flag over the statehouse in Columbia, SC. I hope Huck wins the nomination, because he will not win the general election.

Where do you get your news from? DailyKos? Huckabee said it should be left up to the state of South Carolina and that the federal government shouldn't get involved, much like what Ron Paul would say if he was asked about it.

Either way, I don't see the Confederate flag the same way you do so of course we're going to disagree, but Huckabee never said he supported the Confederate flag. He said no one should come into South Carolina and MAKE them take the flag down.

[Jesuslove]

Where do you get your news from? DailyKos? Huckabee said it should be left up to the state of South Carolina and that the federal government shouldn't get involved, much like what Ron Paul would say if he was asked about it.

Either way, I don't see the Confederate flag the same way you do so of course we're going to disagree, but Huckabee never said he supported the Confederate flag. He said no one should come into South Carolina and MAKE them take the flag down.
On MLK's birthday you're saying this??? :rolleyes:

Whether you see it that way or not, the majority of Americans see the "rebel" flag as hostile toward blacks. Hostility toward any people, whether black, white, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, etc. is not a Christian ideal. Sorry, it's just that simple. For Huck to support someone's right to fly that flag to represent a state, in particular a state that supported slavery AND a state that is racially divided, IS WRONG.

[clemsontigers23]

On MLK's birthday you're saying this??? :rolleyes:

Whether you see it that way or not, the majority of Americans see the "rebel" flag as hostile toward blacks. Hostility toward any people, whether black, white, jewish, muslim, gay, straight, etc. is not a Christian ideal. Sorry, it's just that simple. For Huck to support someone's right to fly that flag to represent a state, in particular a state that supported slavery AND a state that is racially divided, IS WRONG.

Just because a few radicals take something and make it into something it's not doesn't make it wrong. That would be like the U.S. killing off American Muslims because a couple of Muslims attacked us. That reminds me, we stuck Japanese Americans in concentration camps under the American flag, but I don't see anyone saying that the American flag should get taken down. Union soldiers came through Georgia and raped Southern women and killed their children, and Sherman came through and burned down basically the entire state and gave Savannah to Lincoln as a supposed Christmas present. What the Union did to the South was disgraceful.

Obviously, we see differently on this issue. EVERY state supported slavery even before there were any states! Slaves were sold off by their own African people! African Americans in the South had African slaves, and free blacks proudly fought and died under the Confederate flag. It's not a racial thing, it was the fact that the South was making money in their trade with Great Britain and the North wanted to get in on it so they tried to pass tariffs restricting the South from trading with Great Britain which would have crippled the Southern economy. The North has looked down on the South for as long as there has been a North and a South, but I can promise you if the South had won things would be a lot different today. We would have small government and we would be a nation of the middle class and the hard-working farmer, unlike this globalist corporate lobbyist nation we have today.

[Jesuslove]

Just because a few radicals take something and make it into something it's not doesn't make it wrong. That would be like the U.S. killing off American Muslims because a couple of Muslims attacked us. That reminds me, we stuck Japanese Americans in concentration camps under the American flag, but I don't see anyone saying that the American flag should get taken down. Union soldiers came through Georgia and raped Southern women and killed their children, and Sherman came through and burned down basically the entire state and gave Savannah to Lincoln as a supposed Christmas present. What the Union did to the South was disgraceful.

Obviously, we see differently on this issue. EVERY state supported slavery even before there were any states! Slaves were sold off by their own African people! African Americans in the South had African slaves, and free blacks proudly fought and died under the Confederate flag. It's not a racial thing, it was the fact that the South was making money in their trade with Great Britain and the North wanted to get in on it so they tried to pass tariffs restricting the South from trading with Great Britain which would have crippled the Southern economy. The North has looked down on the South for as long as there has been a North and a South, but I can promise you if the South had won things would be a lot different today. We would have small government and we would be a nation of the middle class and the hard-working farmer, unlike this globalist corporate lobbyist nation we have today.

Where can I buy this fictional history book? :eek: :rolleyes:

[Jason]

I hope Huck wins the nomination, because he will not win the general election.

So you're saying you don't want a Republican to win?

[Jesuslove]

So you're saying you don't want a Republican to win?

I want Ron Paul or a Democrat to win.

[cheewiee]

I want Ron Paul or a Democrat to win.

So you want the guy so far right in his economics, he's almost facist, or the borderline socialists to win...
:confused:

[Jason]

I want Ron Paul or a Democrat to win.

Then you should say you hope Paul gets the nomination, not Huck. Although Paul's chances are now nil.

[clemsontigers23]

Where can I buy this fictional history book? :eek: :rolleyes:

You can buy an AP History book and get all of that. You could try doing some research for once before coming in and making false claims instead of saying what you learned in 4th grade.

[Jesuslove]

So you want the guy so far right in his economics, he's almost facist, or the borderline socialists to win...
:confused:

yes. george w. bush has run our economy into the ground. he's spent us into a recession. the deficit the next president will inherit will take gernerations to pay back.

[Jesuslove]

You can buy an AP History book and get all of that. You could try doing some research for once before coming in and making false claims instead of saying what you learned in 4th grade.

i made no false claims. many on this website don't agree with your version of the civil war... in fact the majority, according to previous discussions don't agree with your version of events.

[clemsontigers23]

yes. george w. bush has run our economy into the ground. he's spent us into a recession. the deficit the next president will inherit will take gernerations to pay back.

Sure, blame it all on Bush. Completely ignore the Democratically controlled Congress. That's what you usually do.

Ron Paul is the complete opposite of what you want. There would be no welfare if Ron Paul won.

i made no false claims. many on this website don't agree with your version of the civil war... in fact the majority, according to previous discussions don't agree with your version of events.

Who is this majority that disagrees with me? The only one I've seen is you. If there are others, that's fine. There's more to it than what they tell you in school, though, especially school up north. My mom went to school up north and said they rarely even mentioned the Confederacy and that they treated Lincoln like a god. We're not just a bunch of negro-hating rednecks down here. Don't try to tell me what our flag means because we know what it means to fly that flag. We know what it stands for, and it's not what you think it stands for.

[cheewiee]

yes. george w. bush has run our economy into the ground. he's spent us into a recession. the deficit the next president will inherit will take gernerations to pay back.

Are you daft? Our current Economic situation, has nothing to do with the president... Basicly our economic woes stem from Greenspan. He allowed the subprime mess, It was the Fed that came up with all of the potzi scams mortgage brokers were using to get people into houses they couldn't afford.

Our Economy has spend the past 16 years, recession free... with the exception for a brief recession in 2001 that should have been FAR FAR worse given the collapse of Enron (Which started to unfold on the Clinton Watch), the Tech Bubble bursting in 2000, and 9-11.

[Jesuslove]

Then you should say you hope Paul gets the nomination, not Huck. Although Paul's chances are now nil.

Paul came in second in Nevada. As you know, all moral issues aren't issues Republican's support.

[cheewiee]

Sure, blame it all on Bush. Completely ignore the Democratically controlled Congress. That's what you usually do.

Ron Paul is the complete opposite of what you want. There would be no welfare if Ron Paul won.

That's what boggles my mind... IF Ron Paul became president, and got what he wanted, Jesuslove would be unemployed.

The fact is Ron Paul's economic policies are borderline facist... Almost no government regulation...

[clemsontigers23]

Paul came in second in Nevada. As you know, all moral issues aren't issues Republican's support.

Around 50,000 people voted in Nevada, compared to over 500,000 in South Carolina. Romney got 51% of the vote. You tell me which is the more significant state.

[Jesuslove]

Are you daft? Our current Economic situation, has nothing to do with the president... Basicly our economic woes stem from Greenspan. He allowed the subprime mess, It was the Fed that came up with all of the potzi scams mortgage brokers were using to get people into houses they couldn't afford.

Our Economy has spend the past 16 years, recession free... with the exception for a brief recession in 2001 that should have been FAR FAR worse given the collapse of Enron (Which started to unfold on the Clinton Watch), the Tech Bubble bursting in 2000, and 9-11.

me? The economic situation has everything to do with the president. He has spent us into a recession. Where did you read that Greenspan got us into the subprime mess? Greenspan left office in 2006. Greenspan didn't relax credit standards; the mortgage companies did, in order to stay competitive. And fiscally irresponsible borrowers purchased homes that were outside their lifestyle range. That's not Greenspan's fault. Can you provide an article that would show / prove the Fed is responsible for the mortgage crisis? That's news to me.

[Jason]

As you know, all moral issues aren't issues Republican's support.

I'm not sure what this means.

[Jesuslove]

Around 50,000 people voted in Nevada, compared to over 500,000 in South Carolina. Romney got 51% of the vote. You tell me which is the more significant state.

I never said South Carolina was less significant.

[clemsontigers23]

me? The economic situation has everything to do with the president. He has spent us into a recession. Where did you read that Greenspan got us into the subprime mess? Greenspan left office in 2006. Greenspan didn't relax credit standards; the mortgage companies did, in order to stay competitive. And fiscally irresponsible borrowers purchased homes that were outside their lifestyle range. That's not Greenspan's fault. Can you provide an article that would show / prove the Fed is responsible for the mortgage crisis? That's news to me.

The president doesn't make the budget. He signs it into law. If I'm not mistaken, the Federal Reserve makes the budget. Congress also has to approve the budget before it even goes to Bush. IN FACT, Democrats have so many little earmarks in the budget that it's going to cost billions of more dollars than it should. Bush wanted them to significantly lower spending but they ended up having to compromise. Democrats are the traditional big spenders and they're still doing it!

I never said South Carolina was less significant.

You said Ron Paul finished 2nd in Nevada like it actually meant something. He only got like 4% of the vote in South Carolina.

[Jesuslove]

I'm not sure what this means.

I think many Christians feel that if you are a Christian, you must vote Republican because the Republican party is right on social issues. I happen to disagree. I believe there are many social issues the Deomcrats are right about.

[Jesuslove]

The president doesn't make the budget. He signs it into law. If I'm not mistaken, the Federal Reserve makes the budget. Congress also has to approve the budget before it even goes to Bush. IN FACT, Democrats have so many little earmarks in the budget that it's going to cost billions of more dollars than it should. Bush wanted them to significantly lower spending but they ended up having to compromise. A Democrat complaining about big spending. That beats anything I've ever seen. :rolleyes:

I assure you, the FED does not make the budget. And GWB's has outspent any president, either democrat or republican. If GWB didn't support the budget, he shouldn't sign it.

[clemsontigers23]

I think many Christians feel that if you are a Christian, you must vote Republican because the Republican party is right on social issues. I happen to disagree. I believe there are many social issues the Deomcrats are right about.

What Christian feels that way? Most Christians tend to agree with the Republican party but no one feels obligated to vote Republican. We're not a bunch of mindless zombies voting Republican because it's supposedly God's Own Party.

[clemsontigers23]

I assure you, the FED does not make the budget. And GWB's has outspent any president, either democrat or republican. If GWB didn't support the budget, he shouldn't sign it.

I know for sure the Fed at least reviews it. They have a hand in it.

[Jason]

I think many Christians feel that if you are a Christian, you must vote Republican because the Republican party is right on social issues. I happen to disagree. I believe there are many social issues the Deomcrats are right about.

Such as?

[Jesuslove]

Such as?

poverty, healthcare, death penalty, etc.

[Jesuslove]

I know for sure the Fed at least reviews it. They have a hand in it.


The fed doesn't have a say in the budget. However, the fed may issue an opinion giving their thoughts on how the budget may impact the overall economy.

[clemsontigers23]

The fed doesn't have a say in the budget. However, the fed may issue an opinion giving their thoughts on how the budget may impact the overall economy.

Either way, President Bush doesn't sit in his office and make the national budget. He signs it. The most recent budget was proposed to Bush by Democrats and they actually increased spending.

[Jesuslove]

Either way, President Bush doesn't sit in his office and make the national budget. He signs it. The most recent budget was proposed to Bush by Democrats and they actually increased spending.

they increased spending to fund this war that GWB got us into. Remember, Bush has the final say in the budget and is ultimately responsible. If he thinks spending is too high, it is his duty and responsibility to reject the budget.